Worst matchup?

[Link24a]

I'd probably go with Rosa as worst, then sonic, then Diddy, then Sheik.

Feel free to explain your opinion.

 

[Earthbound360]

Sonic by far.
Sheik is a pain, but not as bad as Sonic.
Diddy is bad just on the virtue of him being Diddy.
I'm convinced that Rosy is the easiest "bad" matchup we have.

 

[Noa.]

I think our worst matchups are

Sonic by a decent chunk

Rosa

Sheik

And then our other bad matchups are so slight that it's not that problematic.

 

[Lukingordex]

Sanic is our worst MU imo, he's 2 fast for us.

Sheik's probably our 2nd worst.

I believe Rosalina is overrated in the Ness match up. Sure, she can destroy our pk thunder recovery easily, but what if we don't waste or double jump?
We also limit her a lot by throwing pk fires at Luma.

Diddy is very near even imo, maybe something like 47-53 advantage for Diddy but that's not a real disadvantage.

 

[Meccs]

1. Sonic
2. Sheik
3. Rosalina

Nothing else that I would call definitively bad. Diddy probably but I don't think it's terribly in his favor. Ness has plenty against him.

 

[ilysm]

Sonic

S on i c

Such a pain.

 

[XCounter]

Rosalina's only a pain off stage, in my opinion. On stage she's not that bad.

Worst matchup is probably Sonic.

 

[BSME/misc]

Sonic and it's not even close. It's SO HARD to grab a good sonic.

Sheik can be rough but the set between Zex and DSS on youtube gives a good template for that MU

I haven't played a Dabuz-esque Rosa yet so someone else can chime in

 

[The Real Ness]

Sonic...the worst.
Rosalina...really annoying.
Sheik...eh. At least she's not as worst as Sonic and/or Rosalina, but still...

This is my opinion, though.

 

[The_Most_Effectual]

I do decent against decent Ros's and Sheiks, but I got bodied by a really good Diddy last week at my first tourney. Any tips?

 

[Link24a]

I do decent against decent Ros's and Sheiks, but I got bodied by a really good Diddy last week at my first tourney. Any tips?

Don't get hit hoo-hah'd

 

[SC | Chrollo]

Sonic because the rush down is real and Ness' weakness is close quarters.

 

[Earthbound360]

Ness likes being in close quarters, he just needs to be there on his own terms, and not have the pace dictated by the opponent. In fact, Ness' close range game I'd say outdoes Sonic's.

 

[Link24a]

Sonic because the rush down is real and Ness' weakness is close quarters.

Ness's aerials are amazing at close range. Nair is pretty much a combo breaker

 

[epic11]

You can't do your grab combo's since luma will hit you after the grab. Sheik is not a hard matchup as long as you try to have stage control and don't play too defensive. I'm not really sure about Diddy. Sonic however is definitely Ness his hardest matchup but you still can win if you have a really good timing and play careful.

 

[Farkus]

Rosalina is far harder for me than sonic. How do you guys counter Rosalina?

 

[SoùlValkyrie]

Imo it's nearly impossible to land anything against a Sonic who knows what he's doing, especially grabs; and we all love our Dthrows and Bthrows

 

[Link24a]

Imo it's nearly impossible to land anything against a Sonic who knows what he's doing, especially grabs; and we all love our Dthrows and Bthrows

@ Farkus you're pretty much forced to read his mixups constantly and are reduced to using raw aerials or a lucky pkf because of it

 

[Uffe]

I don't see what you guys see with saying Sonic is harder than Rosaluma. I feel like I can't really do anything against Rosaluma on or off stage. Sonic on the other hand, is it really just his speed and the inability to grab him?

 

[Earthbound360]

Sonic just has much better on stage control than Rosalina due to his speed. Ness really struggles with characters that outspeed him, and Rosalina isn't pressing that advantage on him particularly hard. When it comes to being off stage, Sonic is almost as deadly as Rosalina. Also, Rosalina is far lighter and a million times easier to grab than Sonic.

 

[Uffe]

Sonic just has much better on stage control than Rosalina due to his speed. Ness really struggles with characters that outspeed him, and Rosalina isn't pressing that advantage on him particularly hard. When it comes to being off stage, Sonic is almost as deadly as Rosalina. Also, Rosalina is far lighter and a million times easier to grab than Sonic.

I guess. I've played a few good Sonic's and about two Rosaluma's and I've got to say I prefer fighting Sonic. I'll take your word for it, though. I remember back in Brawl, I would have rather fought Marth (Mr. 0-2-Death) than Sonic. And now I'd rather fight Sonic (Supposedly bad MU) than Rosaluma. See a pattern going? xD Apparently I'd rather fight bad match ups than deal with stupid ones. xD

 

[Earthboundy]

Sonic just has much better on stage control than Rosalina due to his speed. Ness really struggles with characters that outspeed him, and Rosalina isn't pressing that advantage on him particularly hard. When it comes to being off stage, Sonic is almost as deadly as Rosalina. Also, Rosalina is far lighter and a million times easier to grab than Sonic.

Luma can hit you when you grab making it impossible to throw. I find her much more difficult than Sonic. She also gimps Ness pretty hard.

 

[Shisui-kun]

Sonic for me, I can usually deal with Luma easily as Ness so I can do atleast a little bit of damage during luma absense. Sonic however is just too blitzy

 

[DanceLouisDance]

Rosalina is far harder than any other character.

 

[PKBeam]

is that personally or are you saying Rosalina is a -3 matchup

 

[DanceLouisDance]

just personally. although i rarely play against rosalinas.

but ness basically has no recovery against her, and can barley grab her without getting hit by luma D:

 

[PKBeam]

this is the type of thinking that the Rosalinas have, which we could do without.

 

[DanceLouisDance]

this is the type of thinking that the Rosalinas have, which we could do without.

but..but.. its true. haha

 

[ilysm]

Actually of all the characters with absorbs Rosa has it the hardest. When the thunder swirls around her, it becomes 'her' projectile, which means that if the Ness is a cleverboots and spaces their recovery well they can get tailwhipped and recover again before the Rosa can do anything. Villager, or say, another Ness, don't have this problem.

 

[Earthbound360]

Luma can hit you when you grab making it impossible to throw. I find her much more difficult than Sonic. She also gimps Ness pretty hard.

Throw her instantly, no pummels, you'll be fine.

Ness players gotta stop acting like gravity pull is the be all end all for Ness. Heaven knows the Rosalina players already think this (foolishly). I haven't been gravity pull gimped to this day, you've just got to not be a doofus with your recovery.

 

[_clinton]

How about Shulk? Speed gives him sonic levels of in your face, jump is evil as well. Shield lets him abuse rage and lol at your kill moves, smash gives him kill throws like you + just in general is deadly and buster is well not as bad as the others but still, its there.

The guy has a very insane range + as well

 

[PKBeam]

Shulk isn't that bad.
Most of his Arts have disadvantages. Like Smash makes him kill 30% earlier but he also dies 30% earlier as well. Shield is defensive, it's just for stalling. He becomes combo fodder and once you get him to 150 you can kill with a well placed Bthrow.

Also, he's pretty slow so he can't totally abuse his range.

 

[Earthboundy]

Shulk is too slow. Even if his sword has crazy range, we can punish it easily.

 

[PKBeam]

Heaven knows the Rosalina players already think this (foolishly).

To add on to this,

Ness
[68:32]
[collapse=3/4/2015 - 3/6/2015]9Tales: 70:30
mario123007: 65:35
ParanoidDrone: 70:30
Parcheesy: 70:30
WhiteMageBD: 65:35

Average: 68:32
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This is their legit MU thread. 70:30. Hard counter. That would be equivalent to a -3 in Brawl.
I thought people would stop with this stuff after Ness got bumped to high tier, but apparently his obscurity still clouds people's judgment.

edit:

 

[Earthbound360]

This makes me laugh. I don't care enough to go over there and prove them wrong though. Odds are they won't listen anyways.

I'll just enjoy KOing them at 80% with bthrow and uair.

 

[anas abou]

im'a be an odd ball here and say palutena SHOTS FIRED

 

[Link24a]

im'a be an odd ball here and say palutena SHOTS FIRED

I sense a For Glory player...


(ignore my sig pls)

 

[Link24a]

But actually tho palutena is much too laggy and her default specials suck bad

 

[anas abou]

I sense a For Glory player...)

first of all thats offensive

But actually tho palutena is much too laggy and her default specials suck bad

palutena is actually a really underrated character even without customs

since she can teleport she'll probably snap to the ledge safely enough to not get caught with some of ness's gimps (upb-fair-neutb)
her dash speed will allow her to avoid stuff like dash/pivot grabs
she can really annoy ness's recovery with neutb/sideb/fsmash (ness recovery is cheeky with wind boxes)
her grab range is awesome giving her some the advantage in that game
since she has both the best counter and a good reflector palutena can stop allot of ness's options

also don't double post

 

[grizby2]

can starbits be absorbed by psi magnet?