Will the same players who were the best in Melee be the best in Brawl?

[Plairnkk]

I'd like to think what you all have to say about this. I have my opinions but i'll wait until you guys post, then just destroy everything you say with more accurate/intelligent re buttles.

Discuss.

P.S: We will all suxorzzzz cuz we don't have wavedashing omgz.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Here's my opinion: you just want to argue with some casual 'n00bs', but there's also just no way to tell yet. PROVE ME WRONG (about the second thing)

 

[MookieRah]

LOL, it's such an easy answer. The pros that stick with Brawl will still be pros in Brawl. Who is to say how it will be years down the road, but the old pros will still have a significant advantage starting out due to years and years of smart intelligent play behind their belts.

 

[Plairnkk]

Of course there's no way to tell, that's why this thread is about expressing opinions and viewpoints on why you are on the current side you are on.

Will Azen and Mew2king prosper?

Or will xxpikachewFreek121343282132243333xx be the #1 player in the country?

 

[Cereal Rabbit]

My terrible mindgames are going to transfer from Melee to Brawl basically. I play Melee pretty inteligently, so I'll probably play Brawl intelligently also.

I will definitly have a significant advantage over newcomers (and many other competetive players) when I play Brawl because I stuck with SSBM for about all it's years and play smart.

EDIT: PC might be best. With a lot of technical things out, we have his mindgames. D:

 

[The_Corax_King]

It's a pretty dumb question... everyone is going to be new to brawl... some will pick it up faster than others... but in the end it'll be whoever can dedicate the most time to perfecting their game... I'm sure we'll find some new pros once brawl's competitive scene is established...

 

[flyinfilipino]

Of course there's no way to tell, that's why this thread is about expressing opinions and viewpoints on why you are on the current side you are on.

Will Azen and Mew2king prosper?

Or will xxpikachewFreek121343282132243333xx be the #1 player in the country?

Obviously the best players in Melee were the ones who thoroughly explored the game's mechanics in order to understand them and implement techniques into their game to increase their skill level, and those same people are probably willing to do the same for Brawl. So of course it may be the same people at first, but others might be able to tap into the depth that Brawl may possess and prosper later.

And that's my attempt at intelligent discussion.

 

[Banjodorf]

Edited for misreading of title

 

[The Hypnotist]

I've been thinking of this. Remeber guys that Isai was number one in SSB and number 7 in Melee. I think the older players will quit (Ken) but players that will stay on top will be in their teens now. M2K and Eggz are just two I really can see being great in this game.

 

[Banjodorf]

Oh wait. PLAYERS, as in humans.

No, they wont. techniques are different in Brawl than in melee, and theyll be so used to the old techniques, that might cause them problems.

 

[NDUDE]

Since SSBB looks to be more floaty and combo-happy, I think Isai would feel right at home...****** everyone he gets a chance to play...

 

[FalconPunch]

Oh wait. PLAYERS, as in humans.

No, they wont. techniques are different in Brawl than in melee, and theyll be so used to the old techniques, that might cause them problems.

That's the dumbest argument ever.

 

[The_Corax_King]

No, they wont. Fox = nerfed.

Falco/Marth = not here.

Shiek = MIA

So, no, they wont be, Im betting Diddy, Sonic, and Meta Knight (And a couple secret characters) will be the new op tier.

hmmm...


wow...

 

[Banjodorf]

Ok, anybody quoting me and flaming me.. its 3 AM where I am... Im very tired.. cut me just a LITTLE slack..

 

[MookieRah]

I'm open for any Brawl challenges from people who think that old veterans won't have any advantage over the newer guys. I guarantee that if you aren't aware of the mental game going on in high level matches you won't stand a chance against someone who is used to that sort of thing.

 

[shadenexus18]

Question: Will the same players who were the best in Melee be the best in Brawl?

Answer: HELL NO!! **** NO! At least, a good portion won't for a good loooooong time seeing how Brawl will play way different than Melee. And as far as I'm concerned, with this new online stuff and now that the tourney scene will be that much more productive, it's gonna be difficult for them to retain there MLG status.

With that being said, I'm going to train for the long haul, to be the best. Period. I'm coming for that throne baby!

 

[Grandeza]

The pros will still be pros but we'll definitely see some new pros. I, ZSF, WILL REIGN SUPREME!

 

[The Hypnotist]

Mookie is right. If I played M2K on day one of Brawl... I would get owned.

 

[GimR]

Pros at Melee are really good at spacing. If they play Brawl too they will probably pick up on the spacing real quick.

I think there will be new pros though, definitely.

I think since DK is basically the same(besides the game physics), BUM is going to be really good.

 

[Banjodorf]

hmmm...


wow...

I forgot to read the first post. I went with the title, and typed. Its very late, I'm just going to edit my posts and be done with it.

 

[Plairnkk]

Question: Will the same players who were the best in Melee be the best in Brawl?

Answer: HELL NO!! **** NO! At least, a good portion won't for a good loooooong time seeing how Brawl will play way different than Melee. And as far as I'm concerned, with this new online stuff and now that the tourney scene will be that much more productive, it's gonna be difficult for them to retain there MLG status.

With that being said, I'm going to train for the long haul, to be the best. Period. I'm coming for that throne baby!

Online play will be a joke.

Not only will it be laggy, you can't tell who you are playing unless they are friend coded. Tournaments won't be able to be held online, because what about modded controllers? Also, what's to stop me from going "Here Azen, my match is up. Come play in my stead" Those who play online, in my opinion, will be at more of a disadvantage than those who just play in person.

 

[Grimwolf]

The best? No
At the top? Probably

 

[5150]

prediction:

this is closer to 64 than brawl so isai has GOT THIS gg mew2king

 

[DeuceBlade]

the people who were the best in melee were the best cause of "advanced"(lol) techniques, things have changed in brawl... having common knowledge of playing good will definitely be beneficial but don't expect to get owned as badly.

 

[bballstar23]

No, because I will

Those who were the very best will still have an advantage, because while some components are different, the main game is pretty much the same. However, those more dependent on techs rather than mindgames may struggle more in the beginning.

 

[FalconPunch]

the people who were the best in melee were the best cause of "advanced"(lol) techniques,

No, they were the best because they had great mindgames, spacing, smart attack patterns and just plain knew more about the game. Know your facts before you spew garbage.

 

[5150]

the people who were the best in melee were the best cause of "advanced"(lol) techniques, things have changed in brawl... having common knowledge of playing good will definitely be beneficial but don't expect to get owned as badly.

SCRUB ALERT!!!!!!!!

you have no idea what you are talking about. mew2king isnt the best because he can l-cancel or wd lol. go outside your mom's basement and go to a tournament to understand why.

 

[shadenexus18]

Mookie is right. If I played M2K on day one of Brawl... I would get owned.

Try being a bit more optimistic there Hypno. Only a few people even played Brawl at E 4 All. Just if you're not nervous and bring your A game, then you'll do fine.

As for SmashBoards as a whole, yeah that's right I'm addressing all of you. I welcome ANY and all challengers! Whether you're arrogant, humble, a Melee pro, or whatever I wanna take you on! Come get some!

 

[DeuceBlade]

No, they were the best because they had great mindgames, spacing, smart attack patterns and just plain knew more about the game. Know your facts before you spew garbage.

I think before you jump to such aggressive conclusions, you should read what I said properly..

I didn't say.. "The proz only wun cuz of the wavedash glitch!"

I even went in to saying they knew more about the game which is beneficial.

Nice Try.

 

[5150]

I think before you jump to such aggressive conclusions, you should read what I said properly..

I didn't say.. "The proz only wun cuz of the wavedash glitch!"

I even went in to saying they knew more about the game which is beneficial.

Nice Try.

sry deuce but ur a scrub.

 

[FalconPunch]

I think before you jump to such aggressive conclusions, you should read what I said properly..

I didn't say.. "The proz only wun cuz of the wavedash glitch!"

I even went in to saying they knew more about the game which is beneficial.

Nice Try.

There was no point in the first half of your statement, which is why I only quoted that.

 

[DeuceBlade]

There was no point in the first half of your statement, which is why I only quoted that.

If there was no point then why quote it? the second part of my quote disclaimed what you had to say, so what was even the point of trying to flame me in the first place?

 

[SolidSonic]

No, they will be complete nOObs this time around. Super Man on opposite day bad.

 

[MookieRah]

I've been thinking of this. Remeber guys that Isai was number one in SSB and number 7 in Melee.

Actually if you think about it, Isai was the long running 2nd best smasher till Azen came to be. Then he dropped to a close 3rd overall. I would say a lot of Isai's early greatness was in large part due to his immense SSB experience. One also has to realize that SSB had a MUCH smaller scene, so the amount of experience the average tournament vet has now going into brawl far elipses the amount of experience Isai had coming into melee.

In other words, there will be a LARGE gap between tournament vets and new competitive brawl players. Remember guys, tech skill is relatively easy to come by, it's the mental game that takes the longest to improve on.

 

[FalconPunch]

If there was no point then why quote it? the second part of my quote disclaimed what you had to say, so what was even the point of trying to flame me in the first place?

As in there was no point in posting it, if it wasn't gonna add to anything.

 

[Nybb]

Short answer: yes. Why?

First:
Those who are good at Melee are good because they have been willing to put in time and dedication to practice to better their games. They will likely be willing to do the same with Brawl, and will therefore also be good at Brawl. No amount of "advanced techniques" or "glitches" or "floatiness" or anything will beat out practice.

Second:
Pros are pros due to mental things, not just technical things. Things such as reading your opponent, being unpredictable, strategizing, focusing under pressure, etc. also supersede any changes in game techniques.


Sorry, but you are ignorant if you somehow think that everybody will be the same skill again just because characters fall slower or there's no wavedash.

 

[Plairnkk]

Short answer: yes. Why?

First:
Those who are good at Melee are good because they have been willing to put in time and dedication to practice to better their games. They will likely be willing to do the same with Brawl, and will therefore also be good at Brawl. No amount of "advanced techniques" or "glitches" or "floatiness" or anything will beat out practice.

Second:
Pros are pros due to mental things, not just technical things. Things such as reading your opponent, being unpredictable, strategizing, focusing under pressure, etc. also supersede any changes in game techniques.


Sorry, but you are ignorant if you somehow think that everybody will be the same skill again just because characters fall slower or there's no wavedash.

Basically every argument i was going to make summed up into one post.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I think that because of this game having wifi, people WILL have to travel less, if at all, and that will make this game bigger. We'll have more members and more competition than we did with Melee with the new release of Brawl Wifi. So in my opinion, they'll be just as good as they are now but they'll have more competition. So things could change. Being the best shouldn't really matter anyway, as long as everyone is having fun.

 

[Plairnkk]

I think that because of this game having wifi, people WILL have to travel less, if at all, and that will make this game bigger. We'll have more members and more competition than we did with Melee with the new release of Brawl Wifi. So in my opinion, they'll be just as good as they are now but they'll have more competition. So things could change. Being the best shouldn't really matter anyway, as long as everyone is having fun.

Some people want to play for fun, some people want to play competitive. You have to respect that. WiFi will NOT be used for competitive gaming, so yes, people will still have to travel

 

[MookieRah]

WiFi will NOT be used for competitive gaming, so yes, people will still have to travel

I think he means that because of online play people won't be screwed by being stuck in a place without anyone to play.