Will SSB4 suffer from item overdose

[CrossoverMan]

As we all know, Brawl suffered from a rare disease called item overdose, a condition in brawler fighting games where there are simply too many items to choose from.

OK, on a serious note, Brawl had way too many items, a fact that even a ****ty casual player like me will notice. I especially hated the really pointless ones like the Gold Hammer, Mr Saturn, the Screwattack and the Smoke Ball. Why are all of these ****ty items in the game? Seriously.

I have been wondering lately about whether or not this might be the case for Super Smash Bros 4. Thankfully, not many items have been shown yet, and the ones that have been are the good ones like the Raygun, the Koopa Shll and the Fire Flower. I hope Sakurai bins all the pointless items in favour of even more cool assist tropies.

 

[Morbi]

I actually like excessive items to add variety into the game and diversify matches. That being said, I don't think he would scrap too many items. So, I speculate that we will still have to suffer from item overdose.

 

[Substitution]

As we all know, Brawl suffered from a rare disease called item overdose, a condition in brawler fighting games where there are simply too many items to choose from.

OK, on a serious note, Brawl had way too many items, a fact that even a ****ty casual player like me will notice. I especially hated the really pointless ones like the Gold Hammer, Mr Saturn, the Screwattack and the Smoke Ball. Why are all of these ****ty items in the game? Seriously.

I have been wondering lately about whether or not this might be the case for Super Smash Bros 4. Thankfully, not many items have been shown yet, and the ones that have been are the good ones like the Raygun, the Koopa Shll and the Fire Flower. I hope Sakurai bins all the pointless items in favour of even more cool assist tropies.

Mr. Saturn had been in since Melee...

 

[Morbi]

Mr. Saturn had been in since Melee...

So was the Screw Ball/Attack or whatever. But that wasn't the point, the point was that they are worthless.

 

[Substitution]

So was the Screw Ball/Attack or whatever. But that wasn't the point, the point was that they are worthless.

Why can't we have a few joke items here and there.
What's the big deal?

 

[DraginHikari]

Given that invidiual items can be turned on/off and well as how often they appear in the previous games and likely this one, I don't really know what too many items have much impact.

 

[Morbi]

Why can't we have a few joke items here and there.
What's the big deal?

I didn't insinuate that we couldn't have a few joke items here and there. I was just clarifying his point, it didn't have to do with what games they were in. It had more to do with the notion that they are useless items. I personally love useless items like the smoke ball, so fun.

Given that invidiual items can be turned on/off and well as how often they appear in the previous games and likely this one, I don't really now what too many items have much impact.

This. Just turn off the items you don't like/want or turn the frequency down.

 

[DaDavid]

Yeah, gotta disagree with this. I would kinda like as many items as possible to be in, provided there aren't too many that are too similar/useless. I'm only gonna turn on whatever ones I like anyway, so I'd rather have more options than not enough.

 

[FalKoopa]

I don't have a problem with too many items. The more the merrier.

 

[pitthekit]

Items what are them? On a serious note some competitive players in brawl practised with items such as diddys bananas. Having good item play is important for some characters.

 

[The Real Gamer]

People actually use items?

 

[Hammer B]

Am I the only one here who thinks that the Screw Attack is a cool item?

 

[Hippopotasauce]

More items = More fun

This is basic trigonometry, you should know this.

 

[SmashChu]

Ummmmm, turn them off?

 

[Lozjam]

Bring in the items Sakuri! Bring in all dem items, for casual play it makes for exciting match. But still keep the same item options.

 

[Superyoshiom]

We've only seen around 6 items so far, let's not jump to conclusions.

That being said, I really don't care either way because I usually turn off items.

 

[Reznor]

I haven't used items since 1999 so I really don't care

 

[SKM_NeoN]

I see OP's point. Yes you can turn them off, but at the same time it seems like they went for quantity over quality. Superspicy Curry and Unira just pale in comparison to items like Pokeball and Beam Sword.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

I see OP's point. Yes you can turn them off, but at the same time it seems like they went for quantity over quality. Superspicy Curry and Unira just pale in comparison to items like Pokeball and Beam Sword.

At some point the ideas are gonna start getting more specific. Most of the obvious things like "gun" or "bat" are already in the game. I personally can't think of a single new item idea.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

Power Glove.

Everything else is child's play.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

I don't play with items frequently, but I do enjoy them. Brawl, however, had its fair share of crappy items. Melee's items were so much better.

 

[Mysteltainn]

The way I see it, if the items are even on, the game is a joke anyway, might as well have fun. Nothing funnier than spamming the Fan on kids. They often quit the room the next game though, lol.

Only things I honestly did not like in Brawl were the "fake" Golden Hammers that squeak and ****, the Super-Spicy Curry and the Poison Mushrooms.

 

[Norm]

Given that there has always been an option to turn off the items you don't wan't I don't really see to many items being an issue. I would say more items means more variety you can always mix and match till you find a combination of items you like to use. Or if you don't like them at all you can turn them off. If I'm playing for ****s and giggles I'll have them on but if I'm playing against someone who's actually good at the game they'll be off because it's more fun playing competitively against someone who's good at the game with no items just skill with your character. So I guess what I'm saying is they could triple the items and I would be fine with it as long as you can individually turn them on and off.

 

[DaDavid]

I guess I can see the complaint that if they just want to shove in as many items as possible, some might suffer from lack of originality. However, the three new ones (that's it right?) that they've shown so far certainly make me believe that Sakurai is committed to providing some cool new additions.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

He means he doesn't want more useless items, in lue of ones that are awesome, like the Red Shell and DK barrel and the Parasol. I agree with him, some of the items in Brawl were kinda dumb and controlled the stage way too much.

 

[RomanceDawn]

You ever try turning individual items off?

 

[Problem2]

We need more middle-ground in item strength. Brawl had so many over powered and near useless items. They need more items that promote interaction. I really feel that the final smashes should have been built the same way, but only a few of them are truly interesting.

Even the pokemon in Brawl seem to fall into 1 of 2 extremes. You have all the broken legendaries as well as pokemon like Weevile, but then you have Wobbuffett, Gulpin, Gardevoir, and Munchlax which barely help with stage control at all.

 

[CrossoverMan]

I didn't say I didn't like items, and I do often turn the ones I don't like off, but too many items end up looking like a waste of space. I mean, I like a few jokey items here and there, like the Fan, but there were way too many useless ones in Brawl, like the Gold Squeaky Hammer, and the stupid Smoke Ball. Not many of them were particularly creative either, which sucked.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I think I'm going with what Problem2 had said: Brawl contained simply too many overpowered items that turned the match way too easily on someone's favour (Dragoon, Golden Hammer, Soccer Ball) or just really annoying (Deku Nut, Super Spicy Curry, Smart Bomb) or even really useless items ( Smoke Ball, Spring).

Pokemon to me are still more balanced and perhaps more well-suited summons than Assists. I wonder if the latter's made more better than Brawl, most plain sucked if they had any way of A.I akin to actual fighters.

 

[CardiganBoy]

The only two items i would get rid of would be the stupid smokeball, and the golden hammer, and have the red shells, and parasol back

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

And /what/ was wrong with Mr.Saturn? That was my favourite item across the board.

 

[Madolche ♦ Procione]

I want my beloved Parasol back. Nothing highlights my day quite like Bowser daintily floating down like an autumn leaf. ;-;

But yeah, bring on the items. When I'm not playing smash for the seriouslies I'm in it for fun FFAs with my friends.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Back when me and my Sibs used items we used only "The Golden 3" Assists, Pokeballs, and Smashballs.

 

[Renji64]

I just want some more cool items so far i do like the ones like the sub-gun.

 

[Zonderion]

As we all know, Brawl suffered from a rare disease called item overdose, a condition in brawler fighting games where there are simply too many items to choose from.

OK, on a serious note, Brawl had way too many items, a fact that even a ****ty casual player like me will notice. I especially hated the really pointless ones like the Gold Hammer, Mr Saturn, the Screwattack and the Smoke Ball. Why are all of these ****ty items in the game? Seriously.

I have been wondering lately about whether or not this might be the case for Super Smash Bros 4. Thankfully, not many items have been shown yet, and the ones that have been are the good ones like the Raygun, the Koopa Shll and the Fire Flower. I hope Sakurai bins all the pointless items in favour of even more cool assist tropies.

I think Sakurai is trolling you. Yesterday you ask about item overdose, today Sakurai reveals a new item. Gotta love it, gotta love it.

 

[liets]

I guess I can see the complaint that if they just want to shove in as many items as possible, some might suffer from lack of originality. However, the three new ones (that's it right?) that they've shown so far certainly make me believe that Sakurai is committed to providing some cool new additions.

actually not three
1: hocotate ship bomb thing
2: metal diver
3: x bomb
4: beetle
so close though

 

[DaDavid]

actually not three
1: hocotate ship bomb thing
2: metal diver
3: x bomb
4: beetle
so close though

Well that's not fair haha.

 

[liets]

Well that's not fair haha.

what's not fair? that you posted the day before we got the beetle? TOO BAD!!! ):D

 

[Luigi#1]

I don't see what's wrong with them. Turn them off! But it's unique. Also, opponents can use them, so how is it for noobs? That's just an excuse for people that are killed by items.

 

[McNasty]

I don't see what's wrong with them. Turn them off! But it's unique. Also, opponents can use them, so how is it for noobs? That's just an excuse for people that are killed by items.

I understand how items can be annoying sometimes but yeah like you said, if anyone has a real problem with them than they can just turn them off.