Why is Dream Land the only stage used in 19XX?

[Crazy Hand 2001]

You have Peach's Castle, Hyrule Castle, Kongo Jungle, Battlefield, Final Destination, Yoshi's Island and Meta Cavern.

That's 8 out of 9 competitive stages.

And yet in doubles/crew battes, all I see is Dream Land.

 

[Grahamaglam]

Every other normal stage has good reasons for being banned. The 19XX stages aren't tournament legal YET because most players don't have access to those stages which would be really unfair. Also, you can't really have those stages legal anyways unless you have them at every setup used in tournament which would only happen if 20-40 people brought their own or the TO supplied $3000 worth of everdrives.

 

[Deleted member]

You have Peach's Castle, Hyrule Castle, Kongo Jungle, Battlefield, Final Destination, Yoshi's Island and Meta Cavern.

That's 8 out of 9 competitive stages.

And yet in doubles/crew battes, all I see is Dream Land.

I for one almost never play Dream Land. I don't like it personally. I play mostly at Peach's Castle, but I enjoy all the other stages as well. Nice to see someone else shares the same view. Let's play sometime! ^^

 

[Crazy Hand 2001]

Every other normal stage has good reasons for being banned. The 19XX stages aren't tournament legal YET because most players don't have access to those stages which would be really unfair. Also, you can't really have those stages legal anyways unless you have them at every setup used in tournament which would only happen if 20-40 people brought their own or the TO supplied $3000 worth of everdrives.

I'm pretty sure Kongo Jungle and Peach's Castle are both counterpicks stages

 

[Zantetsu]

I'm pretty sure Kongo Jungle and Peach's Castle are both counterpicks stages

Nope. Maybe in smaller tournaments, but they haven't been at any majors for quite some time now

 

[Deleted member]

I'm pretty sure Kongo Jungle and Peach's Castle are both counterpicks stages

Correct. In fact I've done a number series (one in progress) at just Peach's. It's my favorite stage. <3

 

[Saltsizzle]

I'm pretty sure Kongo Jungle and Peach's Castle are both counterpicks stages

Incorrect. It's been DL only since 2014.

 

[Dizzle]

legalize gay hyrule

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

You have Peach's Castle, Hyrule Castle, Kongo Jungle, Battlefield, Final Destination, Yoshi's Island and Meta Cavern.

That's 8 out of 9 competitive stages.

And yet in doubles/crew battes, all I see is Dream Land.

I'm back just to answer this post just in case anyone else reads it. Also I'll add Saffron/Mushroom and all the beta stages because why not as well as if I personally like the stage at the end.

You can quote all of this, idc.

Non hacked stages: Short answer, there are flaws mostly related to weird platforms and our community evolved to slower/campier gameplay.

Once legal stages (from most to least arguably.)

Hyrule Castle: See Boom vs. Gerson you're (not) welcome. ITT you can camp on either the right/left side and people play to win. There is also a massive discussion prior to said thing/during said thing called a Treatise vs. Hyrule by Bane. It could potentially be legal for dubz though it'd need a timer/19xx mod so people just camp for 8 minutes. There is also circle camping on the top platform. I personally like the stage to an extent, especially for Falcon dittos and dubz.

Dongo Jungle: Circle camping. I.E. certain characters can't approach the top platform. See Firo vs. Wizzrobe from Apex 2014 (?.) You also cannot ledge DI due to lack of a ledge wall which limits some characters. Stage is a little too dark for old CRTs. The stage to an extent is fine for doubles but people just dislike it anyway. I kinda like it.

Peach's Castle: No grabable ledges so certain chars have even more of an issue recovering. This makes it so Pikachu/Kirby are even better there (you really want that?) Bumper/side triangles are kinda bad. Moving bad ledges. I personally love this stage.

Saffron City: Camping on the sides (especially the bottom next to the platform on the left) due to unreasonable approaches. Certain recoveries are bad due to the wells (areas where two walls meet.) Certain Pokemon (especially Venasaur and Charmander) are highly disruptive. I like this stage.

Never once legal stages:

Yoshi's Island: Circle camping if you are playing with clouds off, also hard to justify this way due to required hacks. Also a person could either be smashed (get it) or go the right platform with a lead and reasonably refuse to approach since most recoveries are super intercept-able from the side platform. I.E. timeouts. I am semi OK with a non cloud stage.

Mushroom Kingdom: Camping on the side.

Sector Z(ero kills): Way too large, camping. lasers do 40 damage each or something like that. I hate this stage.

Hacked Stages: In general, it's really hard to legalize a stage that can only reasonably be selected via hacks.

Battlefield: If you DI into the ledge you can die randomly. This is my personal favorite stage along with DL and would like to see it legal once everyone has 19xx.

Kirby Beta 1/Small: Platforms can be grabbed onto as if they were ledges. Otherwise it has a Congo bottom which I love. I like this stage.

Kirby Beta 2/New: Weird platform physics. There are invisible platforms. It's a testing stage for a reason. I find it weird but fun.

Tutorial Stage: Upper blast zone is ridiculously high compared to the sides. Camera is wonky. This stage is weird but OK.

Final Destination: Chars spawn right next to one another. Platforms make the game fun. I kinda dislike the stage.

 

[lzer0]

Incorrect. It's been DL only since 2014.

That's also not true

Hyrule was chosen on Apex 2014 in a match between Mariguas vs. Isai

 

[Saltsizzle]

That's also not true

Hyrule was chosen on Apex 2014 in a match between Mariguas vs. Isai

Just because they used it in one tournament early in the year doesn't mean it wasn't banned later on that same year.

 

[Uair]

Just because they used it in one tournament early in the year doesn't mean it wasn't banned later on that same year.

Refuted your own argument.

They used hyrule in 2014.

 

[Morin0]

That's also not true

Hyrule was chosen on Apex 2014 in a match between Mariguas vs. Isai

This is what is known as the Gentleman's Clause. (Assuming Hyrule was banned at the time of Apex 2014.) If both players agree to the same stage, you can play on it regardless if it's banned or not. At the time, Mariguas played a lot more on/was more partial to Hyrule than Dream Land, and Isai likes Hyrule, so it's not that much of a stretch to assume that both players agreed to play on Hyrule.

EDIT: yeah, Hyrule was banned at the time.

 

[Capos]

The commentators even reference at the beginning of the match that it's a gentleman's.

 

[lzer0]

The commentators even reference at the beginning of the match that it's a gentleman's.

Yeah whatever. The point is. Gentleman is banned in major tournaments as of current (2015,2016,2017)?

 

[Crazy Hand 2001]

Yeah whatever. The point is. Gentleman is banned in major tournaments as of current (2015,2016,2017)?

Why?

 

[lzer0]

Why?

I'm asking if Gentleman is banned, because no one has ever played on those stages since Apex 2014.
I think I should be more specific. Can TO's ban Gentleman Clause?

 

[Capos]

Yes they can, TOs can set whatever rules they want. Some do, some don't.

Although reading back up seems like there's been a couple misconceptions.

Hyrule was first banned at Apex 2014. Other two were still legal throughout 2014.
DL only started at Apex 2015.

 

[ElViejoZunY]

I still believe in CJ coming back some day

A man can dream..

 

[Hunter Price]

I'm pretty sure Kongo Jungle and Peach's Castle are both counterpicks stages

this is true.

Refuted your own argument.

They used hyrule in 2014.

i know this is completly off topic but i frikin love ur profile pic

 

[Capos]

this is true.

Nope. Please read above.

 

[Here Rests A Cemetery]

Why would you want any other stage in 64? Kongo Jungle is the only one I can get behind as a counter-pick. The rest are simply trash.