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14 characters that attack with swords out 73 characters that have other methods of fighting doesn't seem like a huge number to me.Probably because there are just quite too many.
I have no issue with it though.
They do seem to take up a quarter of the roster though so that's where it probably comes from.
. So that's 14. 
It's not even a fifth of the roster though, never mind a quarter.They do seem to take up a quarter of the roster though so that's where it probably comes from.
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Well still, the community has been absolutely salty about people requesting other characters that wield swords, even if said character brings something to the table that most others don't.They do seem to take up a quarter of the roster though so that's where it probably comes from.
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Pardon me I was never good at Math to begin with in school. EmbarrassIt's not even a fifth of the roster though, never mind a quarter.
,, and :ultrobin. So that's 17.Agreed. I just wish people would be more open to some character ideas.
ultshulk: and (swordsfighter) which was probably where it tipped over the edge. Of the 21 newcomers, a third of them were swordsmen. Dark Pit, Corrin and Robin also use other things outside a blade, but that's still a large percentage dedicated to one weapon in one sitting.Granted, I'm not sure if the Pits count.
I wouldn't necessarily blame Smash 4. While yes, a lot of newcomers in that game did wield swords, characters like :ultrobin,I blame Sm4sh.
"BUT MORE PEOPLE USED THEIR FISTS"
Well no ****, because nearly every character has hands and feet. Including those with swords, but there's a big difference between deciding to take up and study a weapon opposed to merely using your body to fight in a fighting game, and a good chunk of weapon users in this game are just more swordsmen.
A little variety wouldn't go amiss amongst weapon users, even if some play very differently.
,, and all played different from one another. My stance one swordies is this; It's not the weapon that makes the man.
Oddball
said, I think Fire Emblem is probably the cause of all of this, as 4 out of 7 of those characters play identical to one singular character. But, hey opinions and all that.This is just wrong. Meta Knight, Link, Shulk, Robin, Corrin, and a lot of characters play nothing like the others, and all of them present some unique way of both wielding the sword, and how the sword itself is. Saying that sword wielders don't add creative ways to play is just wrong.
Boy no. That may be true for
,,,,, and , but it sure as hell is not true for any other character with a sword.,,,,,:ultrobin,, and all play different from one another.
Mk is Ok. So is Shulk. Robin, Corrin, and the rest of the FE cast are all about spacing and juggling with aerials, or spamming Side B. Link, Tink, and Yink all function the same. Pit and Dark **** are literally the exact same. Need I say more?
Then let me ask you this then; do you think that Ryu Hayabusa of Ninja Gaiden, a ninja that wields a katana and various other weapons, such as tonfas, a staff, and claws on both hands and feet, also having access to the mystical art of Ninpo, and being trained in martial arts, would play exactly the same and no different whatsoever from Dante of Devil May Cry, who wields a giant sword, usually gauntlets and grieves, an demonic electric guitar, a freaking weaponized briefcase, and two pistols that seemingly never have to be reloaded?
You're the one who made this thread. Did you create it to bait people into expressing their opinions and lashing out at them for it?
who mixes it up with a shield and various weapons, being swift with some grace, being the powerhouse, also being fast with a different style, and who technically isn't one but he introduces twin blades in the game slightly with his moveset. At the same time, there's multiple characters who have some similarities to another who wield swords, where I mostly look towards Lucina, Chrom, and not sure if the 3 Links count since they seem generally different now, and you can add Dark Pit to the list if you count Pit as a pseudo sword user... well, dual swords.Well, someone's salty.
:ultrobin
As someone who supports HW Impa, I'm not against more swords. I do still think more weapon variety would be more interesting however than swords, swords and yet more swords. Heck, I'd be down for her to use her Naginata instead even though her water weilding giant blade is the default choice even though I know a water summoning giant blade has plenty of room to be different from fellow giant swordswielders like Cloud, Ike and Shulk.I wouldn't necessarily blame Smash 4. While yes, a lot of newcomers in that game did wield swords, characters like :ultrobin,
I think plenty of characters the wield swords can be unique if they've got some creativity and thought behind them. Like
, and don't look like they could be from the same series. Maybe people want more visual desimilarities too? Heck if I know. being added that game. Perhaps there was less overlap back then with only Toon Link being a "hey, this looks familiar" swords type opposed to what we currently have available.Cool points. I agree.I'm probably about to repeat a bunch, but oh well.
It's probably because a lot of characters use swords:
And as a stetch:
Now overall, 16/73 or 74 isn't a whole lot percentage wise. It's about 20%, or 1/5 of the roster. But it's somewhate large when they all use the same weapon. I don't think it's a problem, because the only non-unique characters are the 3 echoes, and 3 semi-clones. This is probably why there's a somewhat negative stigma towards swordusers.
Well, to each their own. I'd be down for more weapon variety as well (Bandana Waddle Dee anyone?), I just don't agree with the notion that Smash must exclude any all sword characters because "they all play the same and they can't add anything unique to the roster!" That's nonsense.As someone who supports HW Impa, I'm not against more swords. I do still think more weapon variety would be more interesting however than swords, swords and yet more swords. Heck, I'd be down for her to use her Naginata instead even though her water weilding giant blade is the default choice even though I know a water summoning giant blade has plenty of room to be different from fellow giant swordswielders like Cloud, Ike and Shulk.
I genuinely do think many who didn't care too much about swords got a case of sword fatigue in Sm4sh, and as a result the stigma was born.
Might be an aesthetic issue as well since I've seen people online and offline alike state "Another ****ing anime swordsman" when Chrom showed up. As someone who was semi-excited for Chrom that was upsetting, but hey; I can't argue their point. Only
This is mere speculation on my part rather than me stating as fact, but I didn't notice such a back(s)lash against swords users in Brawl even with the likes of
and both have arm cannons, does that mean we should exclude Zero because he has an arm cannon too? Should we permanently ban Jin Kazama from Smash because and are both fighters? Should we ban Ryu Hayabusa on the absurd notion he wouldn't be different from or ?
YES! I couldn't agree more. As long as they're a cool and fun character, I couldn't care less what weapon they use.
They have swords, they also have bombs, grappling hooks, boomerangs, bows. Cool (I wish between these 3 we had more representation for their individual games, which is a whole other topic) - Just for smash attacks, has lots of dark looking moves with his feet and fists, cool. - His swords are water and not his entire moveset, cool. - His one sword has a bunch of different playstyles, ok cool. - Very fast sword attacks, cool I guess? - Dragon powers? Nice. - Their swords (PLURAL) are also a bow, neato. - who cares its a Mii - Oh same **** but not an alt, they threw tiny differences in their exact same moveset to give everyones waifu her own portrait on CSS - Oh Marth with fire. - Oh cool he's unique, slower and heavier. - Oh not this **** again.I feel bad for you man. I'm not huge on FE, but it sucks the your series roster is Smash Public Enemy #1 now.
So many things to complain about, we could make a TV series about it.
I was debating if they counted or not. They're more or less bow users that happen to have bows that can be melee weapons.
I wouldn't really countPretty much, though we still have
seeing as how it uses water attacks, but overall I agree it's not that big of a deal.
