Why are the Miis considered Smash property?

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Something that has been bothering me since the Miis were announced for Smash 4 was the series symbol. Why is it the Smash Ball? Why are they considered Smash originals? The Miis were not created for Smash Bros. The Miis didn't originate in Smash Bros. They debuted on the Mii Channel in 2006. That's eight years before they became fighters in Smash! Brawl was even released in the time between the Mii's first appearance ever and their debut in Smash 4. All Brawl had of the Miis were Friend Roster icons. And the Miis have been appearing in a lot of games outside of Smash like Wii Sports, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, Mario Kart, Find Mii, etc. They are not Smash originals like Master Hand, Tabuu, Galeem, or the Primids. They originated outside of Smash. In fact, you create them from a Mii saved to the console which has nothing to do with Smash data. And now in Ultimate, they still have that Smash Ball symbol. How are they Smash property if they were created long before appearing in Smash? And they don't even have as much as an impact on Smash Bros as Mario, Link, Kirby, DK, Pikachu, Captain Falcon, Marth, etc. And Mii Brawler, Swordsman and Gunner could be similar to other Mii appearances, like your Mii had a sword for a minigame in Wii Sports Resort and the boxing minigame can almost be like the Mii Brawler. And the reason Sakurai didn't put them in Brawl was because it didn't feel right for them to be punching or kicking. So with the Miis totally unrelated to Smash, why do they have the Smash symbol as their series icon and a victory theme based on a remix of Smash 4's theme? Why can't they just have their own symbol representing the Mii series? Wuhu Island, Find Mii and Miiverse each have their own symbols and they are based on games focusing on Miis.
 

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Miis don't belong to any particular game; they adapt to whatever game they're in. While they're in Smash, they distill themselves into pure Smash characters, which is (part of) the reason why their moves are so hilariously generic; if there are any characters in Smash who fit the "characters as functions" thing, it's the Miis, full stop.
 
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But even if they don't belong to any particular game, they still aren't Smash originals to me. To me, a Smash original has to be created by the Smash game. Master Hand may have later appeared in the Kirby series, but he was created in Smash and his Kirby appearances were Smash references. The Primids, Tabuu, Galeem, Crazy Hand, the Fighting Wireframe Team, Fighting Alloy Team, etc. all debuted in the Smash series and are not based on existing characters. Giga Bowser has become a Mario property because he's a form of Bowser despite originating as a Smash original boss in Melee. Even if they don't belong to any particular series, they should have their own series symbol.
 

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Because you're not playing as a Mii from Wii Sports/Streepass Plaza/Tomodachi Life/Miitopia. Their attacks and primary appearances are completely Smash original.

If they did anything that mimicked their actual normal game appearances I would agree with you. But seeing as they are incorporated into Smash as completely original characters, it makes sense for them to be treated as fighters representing Smash Bros. The fact that are the also Multi-Man enemies helps correlate them to be part of the Smash series rather than any other media.
 

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There are no characters such as "Mii Brawler, Gunner or Swordfighter", they are unique to Smash. Mr. Game & Watch is similar, but he does use stuff from Game & Watch. Miis don't.

And you need to create a fighter Mii to use them, so technically each Mii you use originates from Smash, even though Miis in general aren't.
 
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The Spirits had a symbol for the Mii series, which is literally the word "Mii" but the Mii Fighters still use the Smash Ball as their symbol? The only things that should use the Smash symbol should be completely original stuff created for Smash and unrelated to the other series. The Miis should obviously represent the Mii series. Even when there was no Brawler, Swordfighter or Gunner in the Mii games, they are still the Miis that you imported from your console to the game and dressed as a fighter. Every fighter in Smash has differences from their games like Mario can throw fire without the Fire Flower and he's got the mushroom symbol to signify that he's from the Mario series. Captain Falcon had a lot of his iconic stuff like Falcon Punch originating in Smash and he's still F-Zero property. Mr. Game & Watch wasn't even a character in the Game & Watch games. Just a character debuting in Melee that references the Game & Watch games in his moveset. Ridley's a whole lot smaller in Smash Ultimate than he was in Metroid. Captain Olimar is much bigger than how he was in Pikmin. Giga Bowser has this weird case where he was Smash property as a boss and a Mario property as a Final Smash. I think he should have always been a Mario property since he's a form of a Mario villain.
 

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The Spirits had a symbol for the Mii series, which is literally the word "Mii" but the Mii Fighters still use the Smash Ball as their symbol? The only things that should use the Smash symbol should be completely original stuff created for Smash and unrelated to the other series. The Miis should obviously represent the Mii series. Even when there was no Brawler, Swordfighter or Gunner in the Mii games, they are still the Miis that you imported from your console to the game and dressed as a fighter. Every fighter in Smash has differences from their games like Mario can throw fire without the Fire Flower and he's got the mushroom symbol to signify that he's from the Mario series. Captain Falcon had a lot of his iconic stuff like Falcon Punch originating in Smash and he's still F-Zero property. Mr. Game & Watch wasn't even a character in the Game & Watch games. Just a character debuting in Melee that references the Game & Watch games in his moveset. Ridley's a whole lot smaller in Smash Ultimate than he was in Metroid. Captain Olimar is much bigger than how he was in Pikmin. Giga Bowser has this weird case where he was Smash property as a boss and a Mario property as a Final Smash. I think he should have always been a Mario property since he's a form of a Mario villain.
The Miis are first and foremost customizable player avatars and Miis second in Smash, and Smash is basically the one franchise of the various Nintendo franchises in Smash to represent the player. Thusly, the Miis and the Mii Fighter originates from Smash and their movesets thus rep stuff that originates from Smash... including the differences characters from other franchises receive for being playable in Smash.
 

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It doesn't make sense to change something like that. They're Smash OC's. That's their point. They won't honestly get changed, because they're intended to originate as a representation of a Smash Customizable Character.
 
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