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Who would YOU have added, if you were Sakurai?

Perkilator

Perkilator

Smash Legend
Joined
Apr 8, 2018
Messages
10,574
Location
The perpetual trash fire known as Planet Earth(tm)
Time to update this yet again! I decided to just get rid of the bosses for this one (not from the actual games, just from this thing)
Starters
  • :mario64:
  • :dk64:
  • :link64:
  • :samus64:
  • :yoshi64:
  • :kirby64:
  • :fox64:
  • :pikachu64:
Unlockables
  • :luigi64: (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
    • Complete 1P Game as any character
    • Complete Board the Platforms with :mario64:
    • 25 Vs. Matches
  • :ness64: (Stage fought: Dream Land)
    • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  • :falcon64: (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
    • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
    • 75 Vs. Matches
  • :052: (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
    • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
    • Complete 1P Game as all starters
    • 100 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mariomelee:
  2. :dkmelee:
  3. :linkmelee:
  4. :samusmelee:
  5. :yoshimelee:
  6. :kirbymelee:
  7. :foxmelee:
  8. :pikachumelee:
  9. :nessmelee:
  10. :falconmelee:
  11. :peachmelee:
  12. :bowsermelee:
  13. :icsmelee:
  14. :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee:
  15. :212: (Scizor)
Unlockables
  1. :luigimelee: (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
    • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat :luigimelee::peachmelee: in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
    • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • Complete Event Match #37
    • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Unlock 100 different Trophies
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :falcomelee: (Stage fought: Battlefield)
    • Clear 100-Man Melee
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :marthmelee: (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
    • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :younglinkmelee: (Stage fought: Great Bay)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as :linkmelee: on Hard+
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorfmelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Event Match #29
    • Clear Adventure Mode as :linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Final Destination)
    • Play for a total of 15 hours
    • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as :marthmelee: on Hard+ without continuing
    • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as :marthmelee:
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gawmelee: (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mario2:
  2. :dk2:
  3. :link2:
  4. :samus2:/:zerosuitsamus:
  5. :yoshi2:
  6. :kirby2:
  7. :fox:
  8. :pikachu2:
  9. :peach:
  10. :bowser2:
  11. :popo:
  12. :sheilda:
  13. :metaknight:
  14. :pit:
  15. :wario:
  16. :snake:
  17. :ike:
  18. :charizard:
  19. :diddy:
  20. :lucas:
  21. :dedede:
  22. :olimar:
Unlockables
  1. :luigi2: (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :ness2: (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. :falcon:(Stage fought: :porttown:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :052: (Stage fought: :ps2:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue without losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear 20 Event Matches
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :falco: (Stage fought: Corneria)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear 100-Man Brawl
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :marth: (Stage fought: :castlesiege:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorf: (Stage fought: :eldin:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
    • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Temple)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
    • Clear Classic Mode as :ike::marth: on Hard+
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
  11. :sonic: (Stage fought: :greenhill:)
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
  12. :lucario: (Stage fought: :spearpillar:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
  13. :rob: (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
  14. :toonlink: (Stage fought: :pirateship:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda::ganondorf: without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
  15. :wolf: (Stage fought: :lylat:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :4mario:
  2. :4dk:
  3. :4link:
  4. :4samus:
  5. :4yoshi:
  6. :4kirby:
  7. :4fox:
  8. :4pikachu:
  9. :4luigi:
  10. :4falcon:
  11. :4peach:
  12. :4bowser:
  13. :4sheik:
  14. :4zelda:
  15. :4marth:
  16. :4pit:
  17. :4wario:
  18. :4myfriends:
  19. :4charizard:
  20. :4diddy:
  21. :4sonic:
  22. :4dedede:
  23. :4olimar:
  24. Snivy
  25. :4villager:
  26. :4megaman:
  27. :4wiifit:
  28. :4littlemac:
  29. :4mii::4miif:
    • :4miibrawl:
    • :4miisword:
    • :4miigun:
  30. :4palutena:
  31. :4robinm:
  32. :4shulk:
Unlockables
  1. :4ness: (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
    • 10 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
    • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
    • 20 Vs. Matches
  3. :212: (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
    • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
    • 30 Vs. Matches
  4. :4falco: (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
    • Clear 100-Man Smash
    • 40 Vs. Matches
  5. :4ganondorf: (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4link: :4zelda::4sheik: on 5.5+
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  6. :4gaw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • 60 Vs. Matches
  7. :4metaknight: (Stage fought: Dream Land GB / :halberd:)
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
    • 70 Vs. Matches
  8. :4zss: (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
    • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
    • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
    • 80 Vs. Matches
  9. :4lucario: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
    • Get 30 combined KO's with :4charizard:'s and :212:'s Final Smashes
    • Outlast to up to 300% damage
    • 90 Vs. Matches
  10. :rosalina: (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as :4littlemac: 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  11. :4greninja:(Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4charizard: and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
  12. :4darkpit: (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4pit: and :4palutena: on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
  13. :4pacman: (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4mario::4megaman::4sonic: on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  14. :chrom: (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4marth: on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4robinm: on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  15. :4bowserjr:(Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4bowser: on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4peach: on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  16. :4duckhunt: (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches
DLC Pack 1
  1. :4mewtwo:
  2. Ayumi Tachibana
    • Stage: Fourside
DLC Pack 2
  1. :4ryu:
    • Stage: Suzaku Castle
  2. :4lucas:
    • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)
DLC Pack 3
  1. :4cloud:
    • Stage: Midgar
  2. :4feroy:
DLC Pack 4
  1. :azura: (Azura)
    • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
  2. :4bayonetta:
    • Stage Umbra Clock Tower
64
  • 1. :ultmario:
  • 2. :ultdk:
  • 3. :ultlink:
  • 4. :ultsamus:
    • 4ε. :ultdarksamus:
  • 5. :ultyoshi:
  • 6. :ultkirby:
  • 7. :ultfox:
  • 8. :ultpikachu:
  • 9. :ultluigi:
  • 10. :ultness:
  • 11. :ultfalcon:
  • 12. :052:
Melee
  • 13. :ultpeach:
    • 13ε. :ultdaisy:
  • 14. :ultbowser:
  • 15. :ulticeclimbers:
  • 16. :ultsheik:
  • 17. :ultzelda:
  • 18.:212:
  • 19. Ayumi Tachibana
  • 20. :ultfalco:
  • 21. :ultmarth:
  • 22. :ultyounglink:
  • 23. :ultganondorf:
  • 24. :ultmewtwo:
  • 25. :ultroy:
  • 26. :ultgnw:
Brawl
  • 27. :ultmetaknight:
  • 28. :ultpit:
    • 28ε. :ultdarkpit:
  • 29. :ultzss:
  • 30. :ultwario:
  • 31. :ultsnake:
  • 32. :ultike:
    • 32ε. :ultchrom:
  • 33. :ultcharizard:
  • 34. :ultdiddy:
  • 35.:ultlucas:
  • 36. :ultsonic:
  • 37. :ultkingdedede:
  • 38.:ultolimar:
  • 39. :ultlucario:
  • 40. :ultrob:
  • 41. :ulttoonlink:
  • 42. :ultwolf:
Smash 4
  • 43. Snivy
  • 44. :ultvillager:
  • 45. :ultmegaman:
  • 46. :ultwiifittrainer:
  • 47. :ultrosalina:
  • 48. :ultlittlemac:
  • 49. :ultgreninja:
  • :ultmiifighters:
    • 50. :ultbrawler:
    • 51. :ultswordfighter:
    • 52. :ultgunner:
  • 53. :ultpalutena:
  • 54. :ultpacman:
  • 55. :ultrobin:
  • 56. :ultshulk:
  • 57. :ultbowserjr:
  • 58. :ultduckhunt:
  • 59. :ultryu:
    • 59ε. :ultken: (Echo)
  • 60. :ultcloud:
  • 61. :azura:
  • 62. :ultbayonetta:
Newcomers
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultdk:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultsamus:
  5. :ultyoshi:
  6. :ultkirby:
  7. :ultfox:
  8. :ultpikachu:
  9. :ultluigi:
  10. :ultness:
  11. :ultfalcon:
  12. :052:
  13. :ultinkling:
  14. :ultsimon:
  15. Crash
  16. :ultridley:
  17. :ultkrool:
  18. :ultisabelle:
  19. Solgaleo
  20. Bandana Waddle Dee
  21. :ultmiifighters:
  • 71. Sakura Shinguji
    • Stage: Grand Imperial Theater
  • 72. :ulthero:
    • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
  • 73. :ultbanjokazooie:
    • Stage: Spiral Mountain
  • 74-75. :ultpyra:/Mythra
    • Stage: Cloud Sea of Alrest
  • 76. :ult_terry:
    • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium
 
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Sage of Ice

Sage of Ice

Smash Ace
Joined
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Messages
569
Location
reminiscing back in Subspace
NNID
SageofIce
the last guy wrote out changes per game, seems fun so i'll do that

Smash 64: swap Jigglypuff for Mewtwo and call it good

Melee: iirc Sakurai said something about how there could have been more distinct characters instead of clones, but the roster would have been smaller. i'd just have made the other call. drop Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Roy, and Falco, then debut Pit and Dedede a game earlier. Ganondorf can stay cause I'm biased in favor of Zelda content, but maybe give him his own moveset

Brawl: i wouldn't touch this one too much, it did a good job especially for the time. add Midna instead of the other Young Link, add on Krystal and debut Ridley, maintain the previous changes, and it's even closer to my ideal roster than it already was.

WiiU/3DS: oh boy, where to start. this one was my least favorite batch of newcomers, if i'm being honest. i'd keep Megaman, Little Mac, Palutena, and Bayonetta (partly to aggravate the conspiracy theorists pffff), then wipe the rest of the newcomers. Bring in Inkling and K Rool earlier; add Genesect for some gen 5 rep; add Viridi and Medusa for extra banter in Palutena's Guidance; Marx or Bandana Dee for some Kirby love; both Ghirahim and Skull Kid to feed my Zelda favoritism; rep Fossil Fighters, Golden Sun, and Advance Wars to get some new IPs in the mix; Black Mage to throw the Final Fantasy people a bone; and cap it off with Porky because Earthbound deserves better than it gets

Ultimate: with all the previous changes i've pretty much already got my ideal roster, but there's still a few i would want that didn't exist yet. swap Incineroar for one of the quadrupedal Lycanroc forms, throw in an Octoling, Mipha or Revali to keep the Zelda train rolling, drop chrom to move Byleth onto the base roster, and put a Deltarune character on the Fighter's Pass in their place. Lastly, drop Sephiroth for Geno
 
Wario Wario Wario

Wario Wario Wario

Smash Legend
Joined
Sep 3, 2017
Messages
11,604
Location
Ed Bighead for NASB 2
64:
-Captain Falcon
-Luigi
-Jigglypuff
+Wario
+Muddy Mole
+Duck Hunt

Melee:
-ICs
-Marth
-Sheik
-Doc
-Pichu
-Roy
+Excitebiker
+Diddy Kong
+Andross
+Paula (clone)
+Luigi (clone)
+Daisy (clone)

Brawl:
-Meta Knight
-Pit
-ZSS
-Snake
-Ike
-Ivysaur
-Charizard
-Lucario
-Wolf
+Tingle
+Jill & Drill Dozer
+Pac-Man
+Ridley
+K. Rool
+Villager
+Mii Brawler
+Mii Gunner (taking up Wario's newcomer spot)
+Mii Swordfighter (taking up Diddy's newcomer spot)
+Toon Zelda (clone)

3DS/Wii U:
-Rosalina
-Greninja
-Robin
-Lucina
-Corrin
-Palutena
-Dark Pit
-Shulk
-Mega Man
-Bayonetta
+Genesect (Duck Hunt)
+Crash Bandicoot (Pac-Man)
+Space Invader (Villager)
+Marth (Miis)
+Dixie Kong (Miis)
+Waluigi (Miis)
+Bubbles from Clu Clu Land
+The Stork
+Meta Knight
+Dr. Mario (clone)
+Prince of Sable
+Funky Kong (clone)
+Ghirahim
+Jigglypuff
+Mini Kangaroo

SSBU:
-Plant
-Dark Samus
-Chrom
-Byleth
-Pyra
-Mythra
-Min Min
-Simon
-Richter
-Joker
+Lucina (clone) (Daisy)
+Mega Man (Rool)
+Dr. Eggman (Ridley)
+Snake
+Igglybuff (clone)
+Ms. Pac-Man (clone)
+PaRappa the Rapper
+Meta Knight
+Octoling (clone)
+CJ
+Tails
+Goomba
+Decloned Daisy
 
toonito

toonito

Smash Ace
Joined
Jul 10, 2017
Messages
793
64
-Jigglypuff
+Meowth

Melee
-Roy
-Pichu
-Dr. Mario (alt)
+Scizor
+Paper Mario

Brawl
-Lucas
-Ike
+Toad
+Bandana Dee

4
-Bowser Jr.
-Lucina (alt)
-Dark Pit (alt)
+Waluigi
+Chorus Kids
+Ray MK II

Ultimate
-Chrom
-Dark Samus
-Daisy
-Ken
-Richter
-Piranha Plant
-Sephiroth
+Sylux
+Impa
+Jill Valentine or Leon Kennedy
+Bomberman
+Kamek
+Lara Croft or 2B
+Sol Badguy
 
HYRULESHERO42

HYRULESHERO42

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Nov 19, 2007
Messages
499
I’d prioritize 1st party newcomers over 3rd party.

Drop Richter for Takamaru
Drop Ken for Mike Jones
Drop Joker for Mach Rider
Drop Terry for Wonder Red
Drop Sephiroth for Tin Star

I’m clearly not here to make that dlc money with my picks. But I’ll own up to the fact that I’m a Nintendo snob and Smash is somewhat of an “All Star Game” for Nintendo’s present and history in my eyes
 
Torgo the Bear

Torgo the Bear

Smash Lord
Joined
Mar 30, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
Grinding for Maushold Family of Three
NNID
u2outofcontrol
Switch FC
SW-1209-7008-3905
I would personally like to see a game with Ultimate's roster bumped up to a total of 100 characters. First up, I'm splitting up the teams, so Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Pyra, and Mythra are separate characters now. With that, there's room for 11 newcomers, and my choices are:
  • Waluigi (The first newcomer revealed. Intended to draw hype in the initial trailer)
  • Vaati (Kind of a surprise, but good for representing a severely underrated entry in the series)
  • Porky (Uses his mech from EarthBound's final boss battle, but obviously still references his appearance in Mother 3)
  • Captain Syrup
  • Knuckles
  • Lip (All of the other nine playable fairies from Panel de Pon are available as her alternate costumes. It should be noted that this game has more than 8 costumes for some characters, as well as DLC costumes for some. Not just the Miis anymore!)
  • Octoling (Inkling Echo. Same standards, different specials, all based on Splatoon 2 instead of 1. The main Splatoon 3 references will be limited to a stage, music, and possibly an item or assist)
  • Sir Arthur
  • Gardevoir (I want there to be at least one playable Pokemon from each generation)
  • Gothitelle (Gardevoir Echo)
  • Kamek
Afterwards, I'd obviously make some DLC. My choices in there are:
Fighter's Pass 1:
  • Geno (Mainly a hype pick for the fans. I do like him, but not as much as most people seem to)
  • Kris (From Deltarune. Their moveset is pretty much the same as the one they have in the Rivals of Aether workshop)
  • Dimitiri (From Darkstalkers. Yes, he brings Midnight Bliss with him as a Final Smash...get ready for an official Bowsette cameo)
  • Dr. Eggman
  • Sirfetch'd
Fighter's Pass 2:
  • Conker (He's likely gonna be a lot like in Smash Remix)
  • Sora (He only brings the necessary Disney content: Donald and Goofy are in his Final Smash, and Mickey and Yen Sid cameo on the stage. Music from the Disney worlds is included, but none of the actual Disney songs like Let it Go or He's a Pirate will be used)
  • Viridi
  • Mike Jones
  • Space Invaders (Based on their appearance in Space Invaders: Get Even)
Finally, as bonus characters, if you purchase all of the characters in Fighter's Pass 1, you unlock Master Hand. And if you purchase everyone in the second, you unlock Crazy Hand. This finalizes the game at 112 characters. Is this reasonable? No. Do I care? No. But this is my personal ideal Smash game.
 
Geno Boost

Geno Boost

Smash Master
Joined
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Messages
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Location
Star Hill. Why do you ask?
Torgo the Bear said:
I would personally like to see a game with Ultimate's roster bumped up to a total of 100 characters. First up, I'm splitting up the teams, so Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Pyra, and Mythra are separate characters now. With that, there's room for 11 newcomers, and my choices are:
  • Waluigi (The first newcomer revealed. Intended to draw hype in the initial trailer)
  • Vaati (Kind of a surprise, but good for representing a severely underrated entry in the series)
  • Porky (Uses his mech from EarthBound's final boss battle, but obviously still references his appearance in Mother 3)
  • Captain Syrup
  • Knuckles
  • Lip (All of the other nine playable fairies from Panel de Pon are available as her alternate costumes. It should be noted that this game has more than 8 costumes for some characters, as well as DLC costumes for some. Not just the Miis anymore!)
  • Octoling (Inkling Echo. Same standards, different specials, all based on Splatoon 2 instead of 1. The main Splatoon 3 references will be limited to a stage, music, and possibly an item or assist)
  • Sir Arthur
  • Gardevoir (I want there to be at least one playable Pokemon from each generation)
  • Gothitelle (Gardevoir Echo)
  • Kamek
Afterwards, I'd obviously make some DLC. My choices in there are:
Fighter's Pass 1:
  • Geno (Mainly a hype pick for the fans. I do like him, but not as much as most people seem to)
  • Kris (From Deltarune. Their moveset is pretty much the same as the one they have in the Rivals of Aether workshop)
  • Dimitiri (From Darkstalkers. Yes, he brings Midnight Bliss with him as a Final Smash...get ready for an official Bowsette cameo)
  • Dr. Eggman
  • Sirfetch'd
Fighter's Pass 2:
  • Conker (He's likely gonna be a lot like in Smash Remix)
  • Sora (He only brings the necessary Disney content: Donald and Goofy are in his Final Smash, and Mickey and Yen Sid cameo on the stage. Music from the Disney worlds is included, but none of the actual Disney songs like Let it Go or He's a Pirate will be used)
  • Viridi
  • Mike Jones
  • Space Invaders (Based on their appearance in Space Invaders: Get Even)
Finally, as bonus characters, if you purchase all of the characters in Fighter's Pass 1, you unlock Master Hand. And if you purchase everyone in the second, you unlock Crazy Hand. This finalizes the game at 112 characters. Is this reasonable? No. Do I care? No. But this is my personal ideal Smash game.
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Dimitri with that final smash will take too long to develop and giving each smash character a 3D female version of it
it would be easier in a 2D game rather then 3D game
 
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Dixie Kong

Dixie Kong

Smash Ace
Joined
Jul 9, 2018
Messages
762
(Assuming I couldn't use Rare characters until Brawl)

64
-Captain Falcon
+Meta Knight

Melee
-Mr. Game & Watch
-Sheik
+King Dedede
+Wario

Brawl
-Rob
-Lucario
-Toon Link
-Wolf
-Lucas
-Zero Suit Samus
+Dr. Mario
+Mewtwo
+Young Link
+Roy
+Pichu
+Dixie Kong
+King K. Rool
+Banjo
+Blaziken

Smash 4
-All 3 Mii's
-Wii Fit Trainer
-Villager
-Duck Hunt
-Dark Pit
-Lucina
-Palutena
-Robin
-Rosalina
-Greninja
+Dixie Kong
+King K. Rool
+Banjo
+Blaziken
+Mewtwo
+Pichu
+Squirtle
+Ivysaur
+Roy
+Young Link
(Snake and Ice Climbers cut thanks to external reasons)
DLC:
Greninja
Agumon
Ridley
Bomberman
AiAi
Meowth
Shovel Knight

Ultimate
-Incineroar
-Inkling
-Ken
-Pirahna Plant
+Tiny Kong
+Knuckles
+Shadow
+Bowser Jr
+Shantae

DLC:
Rayman
Raichu
Waluigi
Pyramid Head
Gruntilda
Palutena
Zero Suit Samus
Toon Link
Elma
Typhlosion
 
Linkmain-maybe

Linkmain-maybe

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Messages
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Drop Incineroar for Dragon quest 11 Veronica. Expect without the MP gauge, i think that the MP gauge is an annoying mechanic that should not be in the game, just like how menu should not be in the game.
 
BowserKing

BowserKing

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Messages
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Location
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Here is my new version of the roaster

:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultbowser::ultness::ultfalcon::ultmewtwo::ultpeach::ultdaisy::249::ulticeclimbers::ultzelda::ultluigi::ultpichu::ultfalco::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultjigglypuff::ultyounglink::ultdiddy:Dixie Kong, :ultkingdedede::ultgnw::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultwario::ultsnake::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucas::ultsonic:Shadow, :ultolimar::ultlucario::ultganondorf::ultwolf::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultrosalina::ultlittlemac:Midna, Krystal, :ultgreninja::ultmiifighters::ultpalutena::ultike::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt::ultchrom::ultryu::ultken::ultbayonetta::ultcorrinf::ultkrool::ultinkling::ultridley::ultsimon:Fawful, :ultisabelle:Bandanna Dee, Issac, :ultincineroar::ultpiranha::ultjoker:Revali, :ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultbylethf::ultminmin:ultsteve::ultcloud::ultpyra:Dragapult and Shantae
 
TheThingamajigRayman

TheThingamajigRayman

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Joined
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Messages
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Location
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Screenshot 2021-06-17 3.47.28 PM.png

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Ultimate
Base Roster
-King K. Rool
-Ridley
-Inkling
-Bandana Dee
-Simon
-Alucard
-Chun-Li
-Waluigi
-Zero (Mega Man)

Ultimate DLC
Fighters Pass
-Joker
-Banjo & Kazooie
-Rayman
-Crash
-Geno

Fighters Pass Vol. 2
-Min Min
-Spyro
-Skull Kid
-Chibi-Robo
-Sephiroth
-Quote
 

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Perkilator

Perkilator

Smash Legend
Joined
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Messages
10,574
Location
The perpetual trash fire known as Planet Earth(tm)
Time for yet another update to mine
Starters
  • :mario64:
  • :dk64:
  • :link64:
  • :samus64:
  • :yoshi64:
  • :kirby64:
  • :fox64:
  • :pikachu64:
Unlockables
  • :luigi64: (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
    • Complete 1P Game as any character
    • Complete Board the Platforms with :mario64:
    • 25 Vs. Matches
  • :ness64: (Stage fought: Dream Land)
    • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  • :falcon64: (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
    • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
    • 75 Vs. Matches
  • :052: (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
    • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
    • Complete 1P Game as all starters
    • 100 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mariomelee:
  2. :dkmelee:
  3. :linkmelee:
  4. :samusmelee:
  5. :yoshimelee:
  6. :kirbymelee:
  7. :foxmelee:
  8. :pikachumelee:
  9. :nessmelee:
  10. :falconmelee:
  11. :peachmelee:
  12. :bowsermelee:
  13. :icsmelee:
  14. :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee:
  15. :212: (Scizor)
Unlockables
  1. :luigimelee: (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
    • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat :luigimelee::peachmelee: in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
    • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • Complete Event Match #37
    • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Unlock 100 different Trophies
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :falcomelee: (Stage fought: Battlefield)
    • Clear 100-Man Melee
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :marthmelee: (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
    • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :younglinkmelee: (Stage fought: Great Bay)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as :linkmelee: on Hard+
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorfmelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Event Match #29
    • Clear Adventure Mode as :linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Final Destination)
    • Play for a total of 15 hours
    • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as :marthmelee: on Hard+ without continuing
    • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as :marthmelee:
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gawmelee: (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mario2:
  2. :dk2:
  3. :link2:
  4. :samus2:/:zerosuitsamus:
  5. :yoshi2:
  6. :kirby2:
  7. :fox:
  8. :pikachu2:
  9. :peach:
  10. :bowser2:
  11. :popo:
  12. :sheilda:
  13. :metaknight:
  14. :pit:
  15. :wario:
  16. :snake:
  17. :ike:
  18. :charizard:
  19. :diddy:
  20. :lucas:
  21. :dedede:
  22. :olimar:
Unlockables
  1. :luigi2: (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :ness2: (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. :falcon:(Stage fought: :porttown:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :052: (Stage fought: :ps2:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue without losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear 20 Event Matches
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :falco: (Stage fought: Corneria)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear 100-Man Brawl
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :marth: (Stage fought: :castlesiege:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorf: (Stage fought: :eldin:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
    • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Temple)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
    • Clear Classic Mode as :ike::marth: on Hard+
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
  11. :sonic: (Stage fought: :greenhill:)
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
  12. :lucario: (Stage fought: :spearpillar:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
  13. :rob: (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
  14. :toonlink: (Stage fought: :pirateship:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda::ganondorf: without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
  15. :wolf: (Stage fought: :lylat:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :4mario:
  2. :4dk:
  3. :4link:
  4. :4samus:
  5. :4yoshi:
  6. :4kirby:
  7. :4fox:
  8. :4pikachu:
  9. :4luigi:
  10. :4falcon:
  11. :4peach:
  12. :4bowser:
  13. :4sheik:
  14. :4zelda:
  15. :4marth:
  16. :4pit:
  17. :4wario:
  18. :4myfriends:
  19. :4charizard:
  20. :4diddy:
  21. :4sonic:
  22. :4dedede:
  23. :4olimar:
  24. Snivy
  25. :4villager:
  26. :4megaman:
  27. :4wiifit:
  28. :4littlemac:
  29. :4mii::4miif:
    • :4miibrawl:
    • :4miisword:
    • :4miigun:
  30. :4palutena:
  31. :4robinm:
  32. :4shulk:
Unlockables
  1. :4ness: (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
    • 10 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
    • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
    • 20 Vs. Matches
  3. :212: (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
    • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
    • 30 Vs. Matches
  4. :4falco: (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
    • Clear 100-Man Smash
    • 40 Vs. Matches
  5. :4ganondorf: (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4link: :4zelda::4sheik: on 5.5+
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  6. :4gaw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • 60 Vs. Matches
  7. :4metaknight: (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ :halberd:)
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
    • 70 Vs. Matches
  8. :4zss: (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
    • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
    • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
    • 80 Vs. Matches
  9. :4lucario: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
    • Get 30 combined KO's with :4charizard:'s and :212:'s Final Smashes
    • Outlast to up to 300% damage
    • 90 Vs. Matches
  10. :rosalina: (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as :4littlemac: 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  11. :4greninja:(Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4charizard: and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
  12. :4darkpit: (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4pit: and :4palutena: on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
  13. :4pacman: (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4mario::4megaman::4sonic: on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  14. :chrom: (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4marth: on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4robinm: on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  15. :4bowserjr:(Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4bowser: on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4peach: on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  16. :4duckhunt: (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches
DLC Pack 1
  1. :4mewtwo:
  2. Ayumi Tachibana
    • Stage: Fourside
DLC Pack 2
  1. :4ryu:
    • Stage: Suzaku Castle
  2. :4lucas:
    • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)
DLC Pack 3
  1. :4cloud:
    • Stage: Midgar
  2. :4feroy:
DLC Pack 4
  1. :azura: (Azura)
    • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
  2. :4bayonetta:
    • Stage Umbra Clock Tower
64
  • 1. :ultmario:
  • 2. :ultdk:
  • 3. :ultlink:
  • 4. :ultsamus:
    • 4ε. :ultdarksamus:
  • 5. :ultyoshi:
  • 6. :ultkirby:
  • 7. :ultfox:
  • 8. :ultpikachu:
  • 9. :ultluigi:
  • 10. :ultness:
  • 11. :ultfalcon:
  • 12. :052:
Melee
  • 13. :ultpeach:
    • 13ε. :ultdaisy:
  • 14. :ultbowser:
  • 15. :ulticeclimbers:
  • 16. :ultsheik:
  • 17. :ultzelda:
  • 18.:212:
  • 19. Ayumi Tachibana
  • 20. :ultmarth:
  • 21. :ultmewtwo:
  • 22. :ultgnw:
  • 23. :ultyounglink:
  • 24. :ultganondorf:
  • 25. :ultfalco:
  • 26. :ultroy:
    • 26ε. :ultchrom:
Brawl
  • 27. :ultmetaknight:
  • 28. :ultpit:
    • 28ε. :ultdarkpit:
  • 29. :ultzss:
  • 30. :ultwario:
  • 31. :ultsnake:
  • 32. :ultike:
  • 33. :ultcharizard:
  • 34. :ultdiddy:
  • 35.:ultlucas:
  • 36. :ultsonic:
  • 37. :ultkingdedede:
  • 38.:ultolimar:
  • 39. :ultlucario:
  • 40. :ultrob:
  • 41. :ulttoonlink:
  • 42. :ultwolf:
Smash 4
  • 43. Snivy
  • 44. :ultvillager:
  • 45. :ultmegaman:
  • 46. :ultwiifittrainer:
  • 47. :ultrosalina:
  • 48. :ultlittlemac:
  • 49. :ultgreninja:
  • :ultmiifighters:
    • 50. :ultbrawler:
    • 51. :ultswordfighter:
    • 52. :ultgunner:
  • 53. :ultpalutena:
  • 54. :ultpacman:
  • 55. :ultrobin:
  • 56. :ultshulk:
  • 57. :ultbowserjr:
  • 58. :ultduckhunt:
  • 59. :ultryu:
    • 59ε. :ultken: (Echo)
  • 60. :ultcloud:
  • 61. :azura:
  • 62. :ultbayonetta:
Newcomers
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultdk:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultsamus:
  5. :ultyoshi:
  6. :ultkirby:
  7. :ultfox:
  8. :ultpikachu:
  9. :ultluigi:
  10. :ultness:
  11. :ultfalcon:
  12. :052:
  13. :ultinkling:
  14. :ultsimon:
  15. Crash
  16. :ultridley:
  17. :ultkrool:
  18. :ultisabelle:
  19. :ultincineroar:
  20. Bandana Waddle Dee
  21. :ultmiifighters:
 
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Oddball

Oddball

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Messages
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So now we have Street Fighter, King of Fighters, and Tekken all represented. I'll count Virtua Fighter as well, since they have an assist.

We just need Dead or Alive, Mortal Kombat, and Soul Calibur.

I'm thinking Kasumi
Scorpion
Nightmare.
 
Linkmain-maybe

Linkmain-maybe

Smash Ace
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Messages
690
Switch FC
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Oracle Link said:
Heihachi is just as big of a ****!
Click to expand...
I hate fighting game characters in Smash. They always have the same 3 gimmicks and are not fun to fight against. Wow, I got up/d tilted at ledge at 60 and died, guess I deserve to die at 60 when I struggle to even land moves because of their insane frame data. Oh look, They need A-moves to combo, but if I shield, I risk getting poked or my shield breaking. sure they have counterplay, doesn‘t mean I like it.
 
IzukuXYang4Life

IzukuXYang4Life

Banned via Warnings
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Messages
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Remove Piranha Plant and replace her with Geno.

Remove Isabella and Replace Her With Dixie Kong.

Remove Steve and replace him with The Battletoads.

Remove Pyra And Mythra and replace them with Krystal.
 
RouffWestie

RouffWestie

Smash Lord
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Messages
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Location
Georgia
:ultchrom: Ordonian Link :4link:(echo of Modern Link:ultlink:)
Being half-unique but still borrowing a ton from a base character isn't something I'm fond of, so I would've just thrown in the previous Link to make up for the updated one.
As for the DLC, I have zero history with:ultjoker::ulthero::ult_terry::ultbyleth::ultpyra::ultkazuya: so even making movesets would've been impossible for me in the first place. My Fighter's Pass choices would've been something like:
  1. Banjo & Kazooie
  2. Axel (Kingdom Hearts)
  3. Russian Dancer (Tetris)
  4. Filia Medici
  5. Ren and Ryoma (Monster Strike)
  6. Lola Pop
  7. Steve
  8. Lilty (Crystal Chronicles)
  9. Cirno
  10. Sly Cooper
  11. Adeline & Ribbon
:ultminmin Min-Min wasn't my first ARMS newcomer choice, but she grew on me despite not initially caring for ARMS in 2018. I'd still maybe be happier with Lola because I wanted a clown added to the roster.
:ultsephiroth:Sephiroth's also a bittersweet cut cause it's cool having another hero-villain pair in Smash, but he wasn't my first choice for an additional FF rep; would've replaced him since I have a much bigger attachment to FFCC.
 
CrusherMania1592

CrusherMania1592

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Premium
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Only ones I would replace are…

:ultchrom: Replaced with anyone who can be a echo (Shadow, Dixie Kong, Alph, etc)

:ultpiranha: Replaced with Isaac. He should’ve never gotten the axe

:ultsteve: Replaced with Crash Bandicoot
 
Depressed Gengar

Depressed Gengar

Hana Is Best Girl
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I will probably do the full series revision stuff other people have been doing (even though it's not the point of the thread), but that'll take ages to do, so here's a post that's actually just about altering SSBU's newcomer cast and all that nonsense.

All of the new Echo Fighters would be cut and... not replaced with any new ones, and the "Echo" branding would not exist. Instead, all that time spent on making them would be spent on making Dark Pit just a tad bit more immediately distinguishable from Pit, to the point of being more among the lines like a Melee clone than just two differences between the two angels.

On a sorta-similar-but-not-really note, while Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard would obviously be back (because thread mandates), they would be standalone fighters, with no trainer controlling them.

Anyways, as for actual newcomers...

(Kinda) cut Simon for Dixie Kong
Emphasis on "kinda" here. Simon's not getting cut altogether, just getting reserved for DLC. Dixie's getting prioritized for the main game just because a major Nintendo character really shouldn't have to wait for DLC, especially when she's already a little overdue as is. Would be incredibly neat to have her and K. Rool show up in the same presentation though. :p

Cut Isabelle for Tom Nook
Basically just Isabelle's moveset, but Nook uses it instead. Nook's been around for much longer than Isabelle has, thus being the mascot before she was, and even ever since Isabelle showed up, Nook's still a mascot of his series anyways. Nook is, simply put, more important than Isabelle, and thus deserves to be in SSB more. Isabelle would still be an Assist Trophy, doing what she did in SSB4.

(Kinda) cut Incineroar for Toad
Toad would basically be the last Nintendo all-star not in SSB, since we already have Dixie, and honestly, you can't have a proper "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate" without all of the all-stars. In other words, the base roster ended up being a small handful of characters that tied up the loose ends of extremely major Nintendo characters + Inkling and Tom Nook. And speaking of the base roster being done...

Cut Piranha Plant for Incineroar
Yep, Incineroar's the "early purchase" DLC character now. I didn't want to completely cut Incineroar, Piranha Plant was absolutely getting the boot anyways, and since Incineroar definitely would not be received well for a normal DLC fighter, the big cat joins at this point.

As for the Fighter Pass itself, it's Steve, Bandana Dee, Hero, Simon, and Waluigi, in that order. Steve becomes the Game Awards 2018 reveal, Hero and Spring Man are the E3 2019 reveals, Simon becomes the September 4th 2019 direct reveal, and Waluigi ends things off by being the January 16th 2020 direct reveal.

Steve, Hero, and Simon are from three super huge third party series, and pretty much wraps up said list of super huge third party series.

Bandana Dee's a popular pick while balancing out the pass more so that it isn't just third parties + Waluigi.

As for Waluigi, he's basically the last super popular pick, and I can't think of any better way to end the game off, or even end it off on a really good note, except maybe if I swapped Steve and Waluigi around.

Also, just because I feel like it needs to be said, since Waluigi would be added as DLC, his Assist Trophy wouldn't be a thing.

"Wait, what do you mean "end the game off", this is only the first pass!"
Nah, there wouldn't be a second pass if I had a say. The roster is already too large, honestly, and at that point, pretty much all of the loose ends have been tied up well enough. In fact, I only really did this single pass because I knew for sure Nintendo would insist upon one pass. They would probably want another one, but at least I could see the possibility of them being content with one DLC pass. No DLC passes at all? Nah, they would not accept that. I might at some point do an alternate take on the DLC that has a second pass, but for now, what you see is what you get.

TL; DR version:
No new Echoes at all, Dark Pit gets reworked ever so slightly, Echo branding doesn't exist.
Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are solo, no trainer tethering them together.
Inkling, Ridley, Toad, Tom Nook, Dixie Kong, and King K. Rool are base roster newcomers.
Incineroar is the "early bonus" character.
Steve, Bandana Dee, Hero, Simon, and Waluigi make up the first and only fighters pass.
 
Perkilator

Perkilator

Smash Legend
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Time for yet another update to mine, no less than a month later
Starters
  • :mario64:
  • :dk64:
  • :link64:
  • :samus64:
  • :yoshi64:
  • :kirby64:
  • :fox64:
  • :pikachu64:
Unlockables
  • :luigi64: (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
    • Complete 1P Game as any character
    • Complete Board the Platforms with :mario64:
    • 25 Vs. Matches
  • :ness64: (Stage fought: Dream Land)
    • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  • :falcon64: (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
    • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
    • 75 Vs. Matches
  • :052: (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
    • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
    • Complete 1P Game as all starters
    • 100 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mariomelee:
  2. :dkmelee:
  3. :linkmelee:
  4. :samusmelee:
  5. :yoshimelee:
  6. :kirbymelee:
  7. :foxmelee:
  8. :pikachumelee:
  9. :nessmelee:
  10. :falconmelee:
  11. :peachmelee:
  12. :bowsermelee:
  13. :icsmelee:
  14. :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee:
  15. :212: (Scizor)
Unlockables
  1. :luigimelee: (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
    • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat :luigimelee::peachmelee: in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
    • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • Complete Event Match #37
    • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Unlock 100 different Trophies
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :falcomelee: (Stage fought: Battlefield)
    • Clear 100-Man Melee
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :marthmelee: (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
    • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :younglinkmelee: (Stage fought: Great Bay)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as :linkmelee: on Hard+
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorfmelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Event Match #29
    • Clear Adventure Mode as :linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Final Destination)
    • Play for a total of 15 hours
    • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as :marthmelee: on Hard+ without continuing
    • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as :marthmelee:
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gawmelee: (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mario2:
  2. :dk2:
  3. :link2:
  4. :samus2:/:zerosuitsamus:
  5. :yoshi2:
  6. :kirby2:
  7. :fox:
  8. :pikachu2:
  9. :peach:
  10. :bowser2:
  11. :popo:
  12. :sheilda:
  13. :metaknight:
  14. :pit:
  15. :wario:
  16. :snake:
  17. :ike:
  18. :charizard:
  19. :diddy:
  20. :lucas:
  21. :dedede:
  22. :olimar:
Unlockables
  1. :luigi2: (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :ness2: (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. :falcon:(Stage fought: :porttown:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :052: (Stage fought: :ps2:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue without losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear 20 Event Matches
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :falco: (Stage fought: Corneria)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear 100-Man Brawl
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :marth: (Stage fought: :castlesiege:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorf: (Stage fought: :eldin:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
    • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Temple)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
    • Clear Classic Mode as :ike::marth: on Hard+
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
  11. :sonic: (Stage fought: :greenhill:)
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
  12. :lucario: (Stage fought: :spearpillar:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
  13. :rob: (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
  14. :toonlink: (Stage fought: :pirateship:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda::ganondorf: without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
  15. :wolf: (Stage fought: :lylat:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :4mario:
  2. :4dk:
  3. :4link:
  4. :4samus:
  5. :4yoshi:
  6. :4kirby:
  7. :4fox:
  8. :4pikachu:
  9. :4luigi:
  10. :4falcon:
  11. :4peach:
  12. :4bowser:
  13. :4sheik:
  14. :4zelda:
  15. :4marth:
  16. :4pit:
  17. :4wario:
  18. :4myfriends:
  19. :4charizard:
  20. :4diddy:
  21. :4sonic:
  22. :4dedede:
  23. :4olimar:
  24. Snivy
  25. :4villager:
  26. :4megaman:
  27. :4wiifit:
  28. :4littlemac:
  29. :4mii::4miif:
    • :4miibrawl:
    • :4miisword:
    • :4miigun:
  30. :4palutena:
  31. :4robinm:
  32. :4shulk:
Unlockables
  1. :4ness: (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
    • 10 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
    • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
    • 20 Vs. Matches
  3. :212: (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
    • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
    • 30 Vs. Matches
  4. :4falco: (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
    • Clear 100-Man Smash
    • 40 Vs. Matches
  5. :4ganondorf: (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4link: :4zelda::4sheik: on 5.5+
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  6. :4gaw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • 60 Vs. Matches
  7. :4metaknight: (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ :halberd:)
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
    • 70 Vs. Matches
  8. :4zss: (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
    • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
    • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
    • 80 Vs. Matches
  9. :4lucario: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
    • Get 30 combined KO's with :4charizard:'s and :212:'s Final Smashes
    • Outlast to up to 300% damage
    • 90 Vs. Matches
  10. :rosalina: (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as :4littlemac: 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  11. :4greninja:(Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4charizard: and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
  12. :4darkpit: (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4pit: and :4palutena: on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
  13. :4pacman: (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4mario::4megaman::4sonic: on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  14. :chrom: (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4marth: on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4robinm: on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  15. :4bowserjr:(Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4bowser: on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4peach: on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  16. :4duckhunt: (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches
DLC Pack 1
  1. :4mewtwo:
  2. Ayumi Tachibana
    • Stage: Fourside
DLC Pack 2
  1. :4ryu:
    • Stage: Suzaku Castle
  2. :4lucas:
    • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)
DLC Pack 3
  1. :4cloud:
    • Stage: Midgar
  2. :4feroy:
DLC Pack 4
  1. :azura: (Azura)
    • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
  2. :4bayonetta:
    • Stage Umbra Clock Tower
64
  • 1. :ultmario:
  • 2. :ultdk:
  • 3. :ultlink:
  • 4. :ultsamus:
    • 4ε. :ultdarksamus:
  • 5. :ultyoshi:
  • 6. :ultkirby:
  • 7. :ultfox:
  • 8. :ultpikachu:
  • 9. :ultluigi:
  • 10. :ultness:
  • 11. :ultfalcon:
  • 12. :052:
Melee
  • 13. :ultpeach:
    • 13ε. :ultdaisy:
  • 14. :ultbowser:
  • 15. :ulticeclimbers:
  • 16. :ultsheik:
  • 17. :ultzelda:
  • 18.:212:
  • 19. Ayumi Tachibana
  • 20. :ultmarth:
  • 21. :ultmewtwo:
  • 22. :ultgnw:
  • 23. :ultyounglink:
  • 24. :ultganondorf:
  • 25. :ultfalco:
  • 26. :ultroy:
    • 26ε. :ultchrom:
Brawl
  • 27. :ultmetaknight:
  • 28. :ultpit:
    • 28ε. :ultdarkpit:
  • 29. :ultzss:
  • 30. :ultwario:
  • 31. :ultsnake:
  • 32. :ultike:
  • 33. :ultcharizard:
  • 34. :ultdiddy:
  • 35.:ultlucas:
  • 36. :ultsonic:
  • 37. :ultkingdedede:
  • 38.:ultolimar:
  • 39. :ultlucario:
  • 40. :ultrob:
  • 41. :ulttoonlink:
  • 42. :ultwolf:
Smash 4
  • 43. Snivy
  • 44. :ultvillager:
  • 45. :ultmegaman:
  • 46. :ultwiifittrainer:
  • 47. :ultrosalina:
  • 48. :ultlittlemac:
  • 49. :ultgreninja:
  • :ultmiifighters:
    • 50. :ultbrawler:
    • 51. :ultswordfighter:
    • 52. :ultgunner:
  • 53. :ultpalutena:
  • 54. :ultpacman:
  • 55. :ultrobin:
  • 56. :ultshulk:
  • 57. :ultbowserjr:
  • 58. :ultduckhunt:
  • 59. :ultryu:
    • 59ε. :ultken: (Echo)
  • 60. :ultcloud:
  • 61. :azura:
  • 62. :ultbayonetta:
Newcomers
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultdk:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultsamus:
  5. :ultyoshi:
  6. :ultkirby:
  7. :ultfox:
  8. :ultpikachu:
  9. :ultluigi:
  10. :ultness:
  11. :ultfalcon:
  12. :052:
  13. :ultinkling:
  14. :ultsimon:
  15. Crash
  16. :ultridley:
  17. :ultkrool:
  18. :ultisabelle:
  19. :ultincineroar:
  20. Bandana Waddle Dee
  21. :ultmiifighters:
  • 71. :ultjoker:
    • Stage: Mementos
  • 72. :ulthero:
    • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
  • 73. :ultbanjokazooie:
    • Stage: Spiral Mountain
  • 74. :ult_terry:
    • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium
  • 75. Sora
 
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hmm.... I'll do this assuming that even in a world where marth and roy weren't in melee we still got Fire Emblem at the same time we did in the west and smash is being produced by a western studio that I'm a part of. Also Kid Icarus: uprising somehow still exists. DLC still happens but just a couple characters in ultimate.

N64:

:dk64::kirby64::fox64::pikachu64::yoshi64::samus64::link64::mario64:
unlockable: :ultbanjokazooie::luigi64::falcon64::ultmewtwo:

Melee:


:linkmelee::falconmelee::dkmelee::sheikmelee::samusmelee::mariomelee::zeldamelee:(Zelda and Sheik were never transformations in this version. I leave movesets to the imagination):bowsermelee::yoshimelee::luigimelee::mewtwomelee::foxmelee::kirbymelee::peachmelee::pikachumelee::younglinkmelee::ultkingdedede::ultridley::ultdiddy::133:( with the ability to evolve into :197::196:)(Pig Ganon):ultbanjokazooie:(assuming from this point on Nintendo bought rare after banjo's popularity in smash 64):ultwario::ultwolf::ultmetaknight:

Brawl:

:bowser2::metaknight::dedede::wolf::warioc::diddy::olimar::toonlink::dk2::pikachu2::fox::falcon::lucario::kirby2::link2::yoshi2::sheik::peach::samus2::mario2::luigi2::ganondorf::zelda::ultlittlemac::ultdaisy:(with an original moveset):ultkrool::ultridley::ultmewtwo::ultbanjokazooie:
(pig Ganon)
(Lyn)
(Waluigi)
(blaziken)
:133:(unnecessarily complicate the character further by making it morph to :134::135::136: as well as :196::197: with down b triggering a menu to choose from like hero... which would in the long run cut down on the number of newcomers that could be made by the deadline making brawl the most disliked game in my series)

Smash 4:

:4bowser::4bowserjr::4falcon::4dedede::4diddy::4dk::4fox::4ganondorf::4greninja::4myfriends::4kirby::4littlemac::4link::4lucario::zerosuitsamus::4luigi::4mario::4metaknight::4mewtwo::4peach::4pikachu::4mii::4olimar::4pit::4palutena::4robinm::rosalina::4samus::4sheik::4shulk::4tlink::4villager::4wario2::4yoshi::4zelda::ultbanjokazooie::ultridley::ultkrool::ultdarksamus:(original moveset):ultwolf::ultdaisy:
(krystal)
(Hades)
(pig Ganon)
(blaziken)
(conker)
(Tetra)
(Isaac)
(Waluigi)
(Excite Biker)
(Tiki)
(Lyn)
(bandana Waddle Dee)
(Black Shadow)
(Wiz Pig)
(Majora's Mask....)
🚫:133:(would have to sit this one out due to hardware limitations...)

Ultimate:

:ultbanjokazooie::ultbayonetta::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultfalcon::ultdiddy::ultdk::ultfox::ultganondorf::ultgreninja::ultike::ultinkling::ultisabelle::ultkingdedede::ultkrool::ultkirby::ultlink::ultlittlemac::ultlucario::ultluigi::ultmario::ultlucina::ultmetaknight::ultmewtwo::ultmiifighters::ultolimar::ultpalutena::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultpikachu::ultpit::ultpyra:(with swap to :ultmythra:) (note: would have tried Rex and Pyra as a duo and would have failed before simplifying to just Pyra and Mythra):ultridley::ultrobin::ultrosalina::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultsheik::ultshulk::ulttoonlink::ultvillager::ultwario::ultwolf::ultyoshi::ultzelda::ultzss::133:(returned to its full glory from brawl)
(twintelle)
(viridi)
(Dimitri)
(claude)
(Edelgard)
(krystal)
(Hades)
(Rillaboom)
(Elma)
(conker)
(Akira Howard... would get in as DLC though since he/she came kinda late)
(ring fit Trainer... another DLC moment)
(Excite Biker)
(Tetra)
(bandana Waddle Dee)
(Lyn)
(Majora's Mask)
(pig Ganon)
(Isaac)
(waluigi)
(Blaziken)
(Mipha)
(Daruk)
(Urbosa)
(Revali)
(Dixie Kong)
(Cranky Kong)
(Black Shadow)
(wiz pig)

I don't see myself going out of my way to ask 3rd party companies to use their characters if i was the director since the start or use characters like Ness with how Earthbound initially performed in the west.
 
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This is a bit messy since I was writing this in a rush

Smash 64
Jigglypuff can go. I'd say Mewtwo should replace them but idk if it would be feasible since Puff recycled assets from Kirby, but let's just roll with that for now

Melee
Icies get the boot and Ganondorf has a unique moveset. Wario replaces Jigglypuff, since Sakurai said he'd add Wario if he could add one more character. Not sure how I'd handle clones since I like some of them (Falco, Pichu, Roy) but not others (Young Link, Mario). I'd probably replace Dr. Mario with a more creative clone.

Brawl
ZSS and R.O.B would get the boot in favor of Isaac and Midna. I honestly don't know where Sakurai got the idea to include ZSS, she's fun to play as but I don't think she makes the most sense. Midna is a popular Zelda character who was relevant at the time, so that was her best chance to get in. Also, Toon Link gets replaced with Dixie Kong (semi-clone of Diddy). Some characters wouldn't make the cut from Melee unfortunately (Probably same as vanilla Brawl). I don't know if I'd keep Pokemon Trainer or not, leaning towards keeping him. Also I think Snake and Sonic are the perfect third-party lineup for this game so I'd keep both of them.

Sm4sh
Wii Fit Trainer would likely be low priority. I'd probably replace her with Bandana Dee since he'd be relelvant at the time. Otherwise I'd change very little, but since Dr. Mario doesn't exist in this timeline, Alph is promoted to an Echo instead of him.
As far as DLC goes I'd keep everyone except Corrin, who would instantly get booted in favor of a different promotional Nintendo character - not sure who, just not Corrin.

Ultimate
Everyone is here! As far as base game newcomers go, I'd probably keep most of them except for Incineroar who would be replaced with Decidueye.
The bonus character would likely be Geno instead of Piranha Plant - this one is more unrealistic than the others, but it's purely hypothetical anyway. I'd keep the rest of the DLC as is and the final character would be Phoenix Wright.
 
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Jondolio Jondolio Sakurai wanted both a female and Metroid newcomer and added Zero Suit Samus. He's done stuff like token options(it's not really any different in the end like "New Pokemon from latest game" etc. They fit a particular state, instead of being about who the character is.

That said, I'm not going to say it was a great choice or anything like that. Interestingly, she's the base that was used for Bayonetta, so Bayonetta probably couldn't be creatable without her in the first place. Ironically Corrin and Cloud both used Ike as bases. As for any such Nintendo character, you could just go with Lyn, a very popular FE character.

Worth noting that obviously for your intentions, the Bonus Character is definitely not the same criteria Sakurai is using(cause otherwise it'd have to be an iconic mook like Shy Guy or something. Geno isn't a mook, but a major player in SMRPG. If you weren't aware, PP is a unique character ala ones like Duck Hunt or R.O.B. who was added because they weren't a major player in any game or a heroic character in any way. So not necessarily a villain, just an antagonist by design. He also noted that PP was quite iconic. Not that it should change what you'd prefer either. With all the copyright stuff and licensing for SMRPG alone for music, a bonus character... actually works. Then again, you could just as easily throw Waluigi in, due to having most of his personal content in the base roster. Etc. Or Waluigi could make for the character to replace Corrin. Unless overall you don't want any AT's upgraded in the same game.
 
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Wyvy - Phoenix Mode said:
Jondolio Jondolio Sakurai wanted both a female and Metroid newcomer and added Zero Suit Samus. He's done stuff like token options(it's not really any different in the end like "New Pokemon from latest game" etc. They fit a particular state, instead of being about who the character is.

That said, I'm not going to say it was a great choice or anything like that. Interestingly, she's the base that was used for Bayonetta, so Bayonetta probably couldn't be creatable without her in the first place. Ironically Corrin and Cloud both used Ike as bases. As for any such Nintendo character, you could just go with Lyn, a very popular FE character.

Worth noting that obviously for your intentions, the Bonus Character is definitely not the same criteria Sakurai is using(cause otherwise it'd have to be an iconic mook like Shy Guy or something. Geno isn't a mook, but a major player in SMRPG. If you weren't aware, PP is a unique character ala ones like Duck Hunt or R.O.B. who was added because they weren't a major player in any game or a heroic character in any way. So not necessarily a villain, just an antagonist by design. He also noted that PP was quite iconic. Not that it should change what you'd prefer either. With all the copyright stuff and licensing for SMRPG alone for music, a bonus character... actually works. Then again, you could just as easily throw Waluigi in, due to having most of his personal content in the base roster. Etc. Or Waluigi could make for the character to replace Corrin. Unless overall you don't want any AT's upgraded in the same game.
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I was playing very fast and loose with the rules since this is purely hypothetical, so of course it doesn't completely line up with the actual logic behind the choices Sakurai himself made.
As far as Corrin goes, I do agree with Sakurai's reasoning for picking him, since including a character from a new game makes a lot of sense and all that. I just don't think Corrin was the right choice. I'm probably just biased because I really didn't like Fates, but I'm not sure who I would've added instead. I was thinking maybe Elma from Xenoblade X, but I took the Wii U's failure into consideration and decided it'd be best to just leave that spot open for now.
I can see why Geno doesn't fit as the bonus character though. I might alter that.
 
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In hindsight, I’m not strongly opposed to any of the newcomers, so I’ll do this in the perspective of late 2015/early2016.

Changes for Base Game and Bonus DLC:
:ultken:: Replace with Alph
:ultpiranha:: Replace with Isaac

If I was in Charge of the Fighter’s Pass instead of Nintendo:
:ultjoker:: Replace with Tails
:ult_terry:: Replace with Monster Hunter
:ultsephiroth:: Replace with Tidus
:ultkazuya:: Replace with Heihachi

Reasons:
With the unique base fighters, the only one I can see replacing is Incinoroar. Inkling showcases the newest major Nintendo franchise, and the ballot more or less makes Ridley and K. Rool essential at this point. Simon gives a third party character who was requested. For Isabelle, Animal Crossing was a major franchise, and Isabelle was used to heavily market the franchise at the time (she was also in MK8). For the promotional pokemon, I probably only have access to starters, and I feel that Incinoroar and Decidueye would have designs appropriate for the game. I honestly don’t have a preference, and I’ll just say keep Incinoroar.
With echoes, I’d try to squeeze in Alph after he missed the cut last time, and it would probably be most feasible to leave out Ken since Chrom was requested, and the others are more or less alts who were able to make the CSS in terms of development time.
For the bonus DLC, Piranha Plant was a clever and quirky addition, but I don’t think that I could imagine adding it (Tbh, I don’t think I would’ve ever also come up with Mr. Game & Watch, Wii Fit Trainer, and maybe R.O.B. and Duck Hunt Duo). Instead, this character would either be from an obscure game like Isaac or Andy, or it would be Waluigi due to being a big request. I decided to go with Isaac in this case.
For the Fighter Passes, it was Nintendo’s decision, and I’m not strongly opposed to any of them, but if I was in charge of DLC also, I’d probably would’ve come up with Tails, Monster Hunter, and Heihachi before Joker, Terry, and Kazuya. Also, I probably would replace Sephiroth with Tidus if possible for personal bias. For the other DLC, Hero and Steve are main characters of two of the biggest franchises, and Banjo-Kazooie were more or less the Ridley/K. Rool of DLC, Min Min and Pyra/Mythra highlight games that came out during development, and Byleth advertised a new game (They were a good addition, and their only issue is that they were the eighth Fire Emblem fighter). Even though Spring Man and Rex would be considered, the ARMS developer made a request, and system limitations got in the way of Rex. Sora was the ballot winner, so I’d keep him.

Also, this thread is good to look at for anyone interested in creating their own rosters for each game.
 
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MasterCheef

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I would replace all DLC with these characters


Matthew ( Golden Sun ) via Nintendo

Kazuya Mishima ( Tekken ) via Bandai Namco

Vault Boy ( Fallout ) via Bethesda & Microsoft

Master Chief ( Halo ) via 343 Industries & Microsoft

Pyra + Mythra ( XenoBlade 2 ) via Nintendo & Monolith Soft

Ahri ( League of Legends ) via Riot Games & Tencent

Jack-O ( Guilty Gear XRD Revelator ) via Arc System

Milla Maxwell ( Tales of Xillia 1&2 ) via Bandai Namco

Steve ( Minecraft ) via Mojang studios & Microsoft

Matoi ( Phantasy Star Online 2 ) via Sega

Paya ( Legend of Zelda ) via Nintendo
 
Perkilator

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Joined
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Messages
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Location
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Starters
  • :mario64:
  • :dk64:
  • :link64:
  • :samus64:
  • :yoshi64:
  • :kirby64:
  • :fox64:
  • :pikachu64:
Unlockables
  • :luigi64: (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
    • Complete 1P Game as any character
    • Complete Board the Platforms with :mario64:
    • 25 Vs. Matches
  • :ness64: (Stage fought: Dream Land)
    • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  • :falcon64: (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
    • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
    • 75 Vs. Matches
  • :052: (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
    • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
    • Complete 1P Game as all starters
    • 100 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mariomelee:
  2. :dkmelee:
  3. :linkmelee:
  4. :samusmelee:
  5. :yoshimelee:
  6. :kirbymelee:
  7. :foxmelee:
  8. :pikachumelee:
  9. :nessmelee:
  10. :falconmelee:
  11. :peachmelee:
  12. :bowsermelee:
  13. :icsmelee:
  14. :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee:
  15. :212: (Scizor)
Unlockables
  1. :luigimelee: (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
    • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat :luigimelee::peachmelee: in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
    • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • Complete Event Match #37
    • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Unlock 100 different Trophies
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :falcomelee: (Stage fought: Battlefield)
    • Clear 100-Man Melee
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :marthmelee: (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
    • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :younglinkmelee: (Stage fought: Great Bay)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as :linkmelee: on Hard+
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorfmelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Event Match #29
    • Clear Adventure Mode as :linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Final Destination)
    • Play for a total of 15 hours
    • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as :marthmelee: on Hard+ without continuing
    • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as :marthmelee:
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gawmelee: (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mario2:
  2. :dk2:
  3. :link2:
  4. :samus2:/:zerosuitsamus:
  5. :yoshi2:
  6. :kirby2:
  7. :fox:
  8. :pikachu2:
  9. :peach:
  10. :bowser2:
  11. :popo:
  12. :sheilda:
  13. :metaknight:
  14. :pit:
  15. :wario:
  16. :snake:
  17. :ike:
  18. :charizard:
  19. :diddy:
  20. :lucas:
  21. :dedede:
  22. :olimar:
Unlockables
  1. :luigi2: (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :ness2: (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. :falcon:(Stage fought: :porttown:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :052: (Stage fought: :ps2:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue without losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear 20 Event Matches
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :falco: (Stage fought: Corneria)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear 100-Man Brawl
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :marth: (Stage fought: :castlesiege:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorf: (Stage fought: :eldin:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
    • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Temple)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
    • Clear Classic Mode as :ike::marth: on Hard+
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
  11. :sonic: (Stage fought: :greenhill:)
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
  12. :lucario: (Stage fought: :spearpillar:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
  13. :rob: (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
  14. :toonlink: (Stage fought: :pirateship:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda::ganondorf: without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
  15. :wolf: (Stage fought: :lylat:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :4mario:
  2. :4dk:
  3. :4link:
  4. :4samus:
  5. :4yoshi:
  6. :4kirby:
  7. :4fox:
  8. :4pikachu:
  9. :4luigi:
  10. :4falcon:
  11. :4peach:
  12. :4bowser:
  13. :4sheik:
  14. :4zelda:
  15. :4marth:
  16. :4pit:
  17. :4wario:
  18. :4myfriends:
  19. :4charizard:
  20. :4diddy:
  21. :4sonic:
  22. :4dedede:
  23. :4olimar:
  24. Snivy
  25. :4villager:
  26. :4megaman:
  27. :4wiifit:
  28. :4littlemac:
  29. :4mii::4miif:
    • :4miibrawl:
    • :4miisword:
    • :4miigun:
  30. :4palutena:
  31. :4robinm:
  32. :4shulk:
Unlockables
  1. :4ness: (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
    • 10 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
    • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
    • 20 Vs. Matches
  3. :212: (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
    • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
    • 30 Vs. Matches
  4. :4falco: (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
    • Clear 100-Man Smash
    • 40 Vs. Matches
  5. :4ganondorf: (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4link: :4zelda::4sheik: on 5.5+
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  6. :4gaw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • 60 Vs. Matches
  7. :4metaknight: (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ :halberd:)
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
    • 70 Vs. Matches
  8. :4zss: (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
    • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
    • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
    • 80 Vs. Matches
  9. :4lucario: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
    • Get 30 combined KO's with :4charizard:'s and :212:'s Final Smashes
    • Outlast to up to 300% damage
    • 90 Vs. Matches
  10. :rosalina: (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as :4littlemac: 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  11. :4greninja:(Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4charizard: and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
  12. :4darkpit: (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4pit: and :4palutena: on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
  13. :4pacman: (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4mario::4megaman::4sonic: on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  14. :chrom: (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4marth: on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4robinm: on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  15. :4bowserjr:(Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4bowser: on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4peach: on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  16. :4duckhunt: (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches
DLC Pack 1
  1. :4mewtwo:
  2. Ayumi Tachibana
DLC Pack 2
  1. :4ryu:
    • Stage: Suzaku Castle
  2. :4lucas:
    • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)
DLC Pack 3
  1. :4cloud:
    • Stage: Midgar
  2. :4feroy:
DLC Pack 4
  1. :azura: (Azura)
    • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
  2. :4bayonetta:
    • Stage Umbra Clock Tower
64
  • 1. :ultmario:
  • 2. :ultdk:
  • 3. :ultlink:
  • 4. :ultsamus:
    • 4ε. :ultdarksamus:
  • 5. :ultyoshi:
  • 6. :ultkirby:
  • 7. :ultfox:
  • 8. :ultpikachu:
  • 9. :ultluigi:
  • 10. :ultness:
  • 11. :ultfalcon:
  • 12. :052:
Melee
  • 13. :ultpeach:
    • 13ε. :ultdaisy:
  • 14. :ultbowser:
  • 15. :ulticeclimbers:
  • 16. :ultsheik:
  • 17. :ultzelda:
  • 18.:212:
  • 19. Ayumi Tachibana
  • 20. :ultmarth:
  • 21. :ultmewtwo:
  • 22. :ultgnw:
  • 23. :ultyounglink:
  • 24. :ultganondorf:
  • 25. :ultfalco:
  • 26. :ultroy:
    • 26ε. :ultchrom:
Brawl
  • 27. :ultmetaknight:
  • 28. :ultpit:
    • 28ε. :ultdarkpit:
  • 29. :ultzss:
  • 30. :ultwario:
  • 31. :ultsnake:
  • 32. :ultike:
  • 33. :ultcharizard:
  • 34. :ultdiddy:
  • 35.:ultlucas:
  • 36. :ultsonic:
  • 37. :ultkingdedede:
  • 38.:ultolimar:
  • 39. :ultlucario:
  • 40. :ultrob:
  • 41. :ulttoonlink:
  • 42. :ultwolf:
Smash 4
  • 43. Snivy
  • 44. :ultvillager:
  • 45. :ultmegaman:
  • 46. :ultwiifittrainer:
  • 47. :ultrosalina:
  • 48. :ultlittlemac:
  • 49. :ultgreninja:
  • :ultmiifighters:
    • 50. :ultbrawler:
    • 51. :ultswordfighter:
    • 52. :ultgunner:
  • 53. :ultpalutena:
  • 54. :ultpacman:
  • 55. :ultrobin:
  • 56. :ultshulk:
  • 57. :ultbowserjr:
  • 58. :ultduckhunt:
  • 59. :ultryu:
    • 59ε. :ultken: (Echo)
  • 60. :ultcloud:
  • 61. :azura:
  • 62. :ultbayonetta:
Newcomers
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultdk:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultsamus:
  5. :ultyoshi:
  6. :ultkirby:
  7. :ultfox:
  8. :ultpikachu:
  9. :ultluigi:
  10. :ultness:
  11. :ultfalcon:
  12. :052:
  13. :ultinkling:
  14. :ultsimon:
  15. Crash
  16. :ultridley:
  17. :ultkrool:
  18. :ultisabelle:
  19. :ultincineroar:
  20. Bandana Waddle Dee
  21. :ultmiifighters:
  • 71. :ultjoker:
    • Stage: Mementos
  • 72. :ulthero:
    • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
  • 73. :ultbanjokazooie:
    • Stage: Spiral Mountain
  • 74. :ult_terry:
    • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium
  • 75. Sora
  • 76. :ultminmin
    • Stage: Spring Stadium
  • 77. Phoenix Wright
  • 78. :ultsephiroth:
    • Stage: Northern Cave
  • 79-80. :ultpyra:/:ultmythra:
    • Stage: Cloud Sea of Alrest
  • 81. :ultkazuya:
    • Stage: Mishima Dojo
  • 82. :ultsteve:
    • Stage: Minecraft World
 
Dreamking

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The three characters that come to mind are: Mike Jones from Startropics whose default is his ST1 attire and the alt is his ST2 incarnation, Captain Syrup who would bring only Wario Land content, and Geno who would be listed separately with his own series symbol and music.
 
FirestormNeos

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FirestormNeos said:
:ultinkling::ultdaisy::ultridley::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultdarksamus::ultken::ultinkling: all make sense as character additions. :ultpiranha: was a much needed palette cleanser, so they stay, too.

Replace :ultkrool:'s Down-B. I'd drop him outright, but that means no King K. Rool reveal trailer, and that just ain't right tbh.
Drop :ultchrom:, Add Linkle (Link Echo).
Drop :ultincineroar:, Add Gardevoir.

Boom. 5/7 perfect roster.

EDIT: In a scenario where we can ignore the rules of the thread (but still only add a few extra characters), I'd keep both of the otherwise dropped characters (while still adding the suggested characters), then add Shadow as a Sonic Echo, Bowsette as a hybrid character with moves from both Peach and Bowser, add 2B & Sora (both of which I will aim to make sure Square Enix gets as little say in the music department as humanly possible), and then most importantly, add a Stage Builder Mode.
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Three years and 10 Characters later, I'd like to change my answer.

Scrap :ultchrom:, add Shadow (Sonic Echo. Uses Snake's Rocket Launcher for his Side-B and is all-around slower than Sonic in a number of ways, but is otherwise about the same). Classic Sonic using the Time Stones from Sonic CD and/or The Phantom Ruby from Mania takes Shadow's place on the Assist Trophy roster.
Scrap :ultincineroar:, add Gardevoir.
Scrap :ultbyleth:, add Marina [Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion].
Fighter Pass Vol. 1 would be, in order of chronological release: :ultjoker:, :ultbanjokazooie:, :ultminmin, :ult_terry:, :ultsephiroth:
Fighter Pass Vol. 2 would be, in order of chronological release: Marina, :ultsteve:, :ulthero:, :ultpyra:/:ultmythra:, :ultkazuya:, :ultsora:

:ultpiranha: is still a standalone fighter with no fighter pass. However, he is instead announced on the exact same day as the final Fighter Pass announcement of October 5th (with no warning of this ahead of time), and is released the day of wheres the fighter pass comes out at whenever it ends up comes out.
 
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Butters Stotch

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As I'm not a fan of transformations, like :ultsheik: and:ultzss:, :ultsquirtle: and :ultivysaur: are no longer restricted to :ultpokemontrainer:. As for the rest...
  • :ultdaisy: and :ultalph: switch places
  • Replace :ultchrom: with Shadow
  • Replace :ultrichter: with Impa
  • :ultdarksamus: takes :ultisabelle:'s place as a semi-clone for a more unique moveset
  • Replace :ultdarksamus:'s echo slot with Tom Nook
  • Replace :ultincineroar: with Toad
  • Replace :ultpiranha: with Bandana Dee
  • Replace :ultjoker: with Travis Touchdown
  • Replace :ultbylethf: with Dixie Kong
  • Replace :ultsephiroth: with a Capcom rep (either an RE rep, Zero, Monster Hunter, or Phoenix Wright) or a Level-5 one (Professor Layton or Jibanyan)
 
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Perkilator

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Time to update this yet again!
Starters
  • :mario64:
  • :dk64:
  • :link64:
  • :samus64:
  • :yoshi64:
  • :kirby64:
  • :fox64:
  • :pikachu64:
Unlockables
  • :luigi64: (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
    • Complete 1P Game as any character
    • Complete Board the Platforms with :mario64:
    • 25 Vs. Matches
  • :ness64: (Stage fought: Dream Land)
    • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  • :falcon64: (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
    • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
    • 75 Vs. Matches
  • :052: (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
    • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
    • Complete 1P Game as all starters
    • 100 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mariomelee:
  2. :dkmelee:
  3. :linkmelee:
  4. :samusmelee:
  5. :yoshimelee:
  6. :kirbymelee:
  7. :foxmelee:
  8. :pikachumelee:
  9. :nessmelee:
  10. :falconmelee:
  11. :peachmelee:
  12. :bowsermelee:
  13. :icsmelee:
  14. :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee:
  15. :212: (Scizor)
Unlockables
  1. :luigimelee: (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
    • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat :luigimelee::peachmelee: in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
    • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • Complete Event Match #37
    • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Unlock 100 different Trophies
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :falcomelee: (Stage fought: Battlefield)
    • Clear 100-Man Melee
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :marthmelee: (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
    • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :younglinkmelee: (Stage fought: Great Bay)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as :linkmelee: on Hard+
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorfmelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Event Match #29
    • Clear Adventure Mode as :linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Final Destination)
    • Play for a total of 15 hours
    • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as :marthmelee: on Hard+ without continuing
    • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as :marthmelee:
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gawmelee: (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mario2:
  2. :dk2:
  3. :link2:
  4. :samus2:/:zerosuitsamus:
  5. :yoshi2:
  6. :kirby2:
  7. :fox:
  8. :pikachu2:
  9. :peach:
  10. :bowser2:
  11. :popo:
  12. :sheilda:
  13. :metaknight:
  14. :pit:
  15. :wario:
  16. :snake:
  17. :ike:
  18. :charizard:
  19. :diddy:
  20. :lucas:
  21. :dedede:
  22. :olimar:
Unlockables
  1. :luigi2: (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :ness2: (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. :falcon:(Stage fought: :porttown:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :052: (Stage fought: :ps2:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue without losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear 20 Event Matches
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :falco: (Stage fought: Corneria)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear 100-Man Brawl
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :marth: (Stage fought: :castlesiege:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorf: (Stage fought: :eldin:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
    • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Temple)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
    • Clear Classic Mode as :ike::marth: on Hard+
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
  11. :sonic: (Stage fought: :greenhill:)
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
  12. :lucario: (Stage fought: :spearpillar:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
  13. :rob: (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
  14. :toonlink: (Stage fought: :pirateship:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda::ganondorf: without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
  15. :wolf: (Stage fought: :lylat:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :4mario:
  2. :4dk:
  3. :4link:
  4. :4samus:
  5. :4yoshi:
  6. :4kirby:
  7. :4fox:
  8. :4pikachu:
  9. :4luigi:
  10. :4falcon:
  11. :4peach:
  12. :4bowser:
  13. :4sheik:
  14. :4zelda:
  15. :4marth:
  16. :4pit:
  17. :4wario:
  18. :4myfriends:
  19. :4charizard:
  20. :4diddy:
  21. :4sonic:
  22. :4dedede:
  23. :4olimar:
  24. Snivy
  25. :4villager:
  26. :4megaman:
  27. :4wiifit:
  28. :4littlemac:
  29. :4mii::4miif:
    • :4miibrawl:
    • :4miisword:
    • :4miigun:
  30. :4palutena:
  31. :4robinm:
  32. :4shulk:
Unlockables
  1. :4ness: (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
    • 10 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
    • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
    • 20 Vs. Matches
  3. :212: (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
    • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
    • 30 Vs. Matches
  4. :4falco: (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
    • Clear 100-Man Smash
    • 40 Vs. Matches
  5. :4ganondorf: (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4link: :4zelda::4sheik: on 5.5+
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  6. :4gaw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • 60 Vs. Matches
  7. :4metaknight: (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ :halberd:)
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
    • 70 Vs. Matches
  8. :4zss: (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
    • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
    • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
    • 80 Vs. Matches
  9. :4lucario: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
    • Get 30 combined KO's with :4charizard:'s and :212:'s Final Smashes
    • Outlast to up to 300% damage
    • 90 Vs. Matches
  10. :rosalina: (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as :4littlemac: 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  11. :4greninja:(Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4charizard: and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
  12. :4darkpit: (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4pit: and :4palutena: on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
  13. :4pacman: (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4mario::4megaman::4sonic: on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  14. :4lucina:: (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4marth: on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4robinm: on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  15. :4bowserjr:(Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4bowser: on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4peach: on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  16. :4duckhunt: (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches
DLC Pack 1
  1. :4mewtwo:
  2. Ayumi Tachibana
DLC Pack 2
  1. :4ryu:
    • Stage: Suzaku Castle
  2. :4lucas:
    • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)
DLC Pack 3
  1. :4cloud:
    • Stage: Midgar
  2. :4feroy:
DLC Pack 4
  1. :azura: (Azura)
    • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
  2. :4bayonetta:
    • Stage Umbra Clock Tower
64
  • 1. :ultmario:
  • 2. :ultdk:
  • 3. :ultlink:
  • 4. :ultsamus:
    • 4ε. :ultdarksamus:
  • 5. :ultyoshi:
  • 6. :ultkirby:
  • 7. :ultfox:
  • 8. :ultpikachu:
  • 9. :ultluigi:
  • 10. :ultness:
  • 11. :ultfalcon:
  • 12. :052:
Melee
  • 13. :ultpeach:
    • 13ε. :ultdaisy:
  • 14. :ultbowser:
  • 15. :ulticeclimbers:
  • 16. :ultsheik:
  • 17. :ultzelda:
  • 18.:212:
  • 19. Ayumi Tachibana
  • 20. :ultmarth:
    • 20ε. :ultlucina:
  • 21. :ultmewtwo:
  • 22. :ultgnw:
  • 23. :ultyounglink:
  • 24. :ultganondorf:
  • 25. :ultfalco:
  • 26. :ultroy:
    • 26ε. :ultchrom:
Brawl
  • 27. :ultmetaknight:
  • 28. :ultpit:
    • 28ε. :ultdarkpit:
  • 29. :ultzss:
  • 30. :ultwario:
  • 31. :ultsnake:
  • 32. :ultike:
  • 33. :ultcharizard:
  • 34. :ultdiddy:
  • 35.:ultlucas:
  • 36. :ultsonic:
  • 37. :ultkingdedede:
  • 38.:ultolimar:
  • 39. :ultlucario:
  • 40. :ultrob:
  • 41. :ulttoonlink:
  • 42. :ultwolf:
Smash 4
  • 43. Snivy
  • 44. :ultvillager:
  • 45. :ultmegaman:
  • 46. :ultwiifittrainer:
  • 47. :ultrosalina:
  • 48. :ultlittlemac:
  • 49. :ultgreninja:
  • :ultmiifighters:
    • 50. :ultbrawler:
    • 51. :ultswordfighter:
    • 52. :ultgunner:
  • 53. :ultpalutena:
  • 54. :ultpacman:
  • 55. :ultrobin:
  • 56. :ultshulk:
  • 57. :ultbowserjr:
  • 58. :ultduckhunt:
  • 59. :ultryu:
    • 59ε. :ultken: (Echo)
  • 60. :ultcloud:
  • 61. :azura:
  • 62. :ultbayonetta:
Newcomers
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultdk:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultsamus:
  5. :ultyoshi:
  6. :ultkirby:
  7. :ultfox:
  8. :ultpikachu:
  9. :ultluigi:
  10. :ultness:
  11. :ultfalcon:
  12. :052:
  13. :ultinkling:
  14. :ultsimon:
  15. Crash
  16. :ultridley:
  17. :ultkrool:
  18. :ultisabelle:
  19. :ultincineroar:
  20. Bandana Waddle Dee
  21. :ultmiifighters:
  • 71. :ultjoker:
    • Stage: Mementos
  • 72. :ulthero:
    • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
  • 73. :ultbanjokazooie:
    • Stage: Spiral Mountain
  • 74. :ult_terry:
    • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium
  • 75. Sora
 
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