Who has the worst grab game?

[mountain_tiger]

I remember a topic a while ago that asked who had the best grab game, and basically everyone said either King Dedede or the Ice Climbers. However, which character has the worst grab game, factoring in not just the throws themselves, but things like grab range and pummeling too?

BTW, sorry if this topic has been done before. I searched for it and didn't find anything.

 

[ANTi_]

Worst grab game goes to Samus.

 

[nash123]

Ikes grab game suggdigg.

 

[Steeler]

it's samus by a landslide. her actual grab is bad (either the worst or second worst frame-wise), her pummel is bad (it doesn't even hit bowser sometimes wtf???) and the throws are bad.

ike at least is a **** when he's got a wall near him

marth sets up for aerials well and gets fsmashes at 0%

zss has fthrow chaingrabs and air release crap (albeit not that good)

it's samus

 

[Red Arremer]

Samus or Link. Probably Samus.

 

[Jupz]

Ganondorf's is pretty bad.

 

[smashkng]

Ganondorf can grab release Lucas, Ness, Squirtle, Meta Knight and Wario. His forward throw does 13%. It has terrible standing grab range but his pivot and dash grab have good range, especially pivot grab. His pummel is slow, though.

 

[Ussi]

Samus or Zelda

 

[MysticKenji]

i'd say samus

 

[Stafy]

As a Samus secondary player, it's definitely Samus. There isn't really a safe way to grab someone except for if they just run into you while you're charging or you press R + A. Her grabs are lackluster meaning they aren't gonna do **** except for probably the back throw, which I usually lead up to with a charge shot or a bair.

 

[Sukai]

Zelda.
Samus has setups into grabs, and spites reckless spotdodges. Zelda's is slow, short ranged and takes 3 hours to cool down, her grab game is a joke and practically nonexistent.
Zelda.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

This is a general discussion quality thread.

With that said, ZSS, Zelda and Samus have arguably the worst actual grabs.

 

[Sosuke]

Have you guys seen Toon Link's grab? >_>

 

[smashmachine]

ice climbers samus

 

[Zumma]

Olimar

Srsly though, Samus. Doesn't Peach have bad grab game too?

 

[justaway12]

@Knuxrouge: Zelda's grab is actually quite long, the 3rd largest non-tethered grab to be exact.

13. DDD 6
14.Charzard 5.5
15. Zelda 5.3
16. Donkey Kong 5.1
17. Squirtle 5
18. Marth 4.75
Diddy 4.75
Snake 4.75
21. Kirby 4.5
ROB 4.5
23. Peach 4.25
Fox 4.25
Falco 4.25
Ness 4.25
27. Wario 4.1
28.Bowser 4
Pit 4
MK 4
Jigglypuff 4
Ike 4
Sonic 4
34. Pika 3.9
Sheik 3.9
36. Lucario 3.75
37.Wolf 3.5
ICs 3.5
Mario 3.5
Luigi 3.5
G&W 3.5
42. Captain Falcon 3.25
43. Ganon 2.75

that being said it's still awful, infact all of the girls (except Peach and Sheik) have have awful grabs.

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

Olimar

Srsly though, Samus. Doesn't Peach have bad grab game too?

No. Her grab has decent range and can sometimes set up for things. I'd say it's about average in general.

 

[jpl315]

i think toon link's is the worst....no1 ever uses a grab with him...at least samus players use the grab sometimes like after the opponent shields a homing missile.....guess also link then too

 

[Man of Popsicle]

Ice climbers.

 

[ffdgh]

toon link....super laggy if it fails

 

[Brinzy]

Zelda. Samus and Zelda grab their opponents just as often... and then Samus has better throws anyway, making them worthwhile. It doesn't matter if Zelda's grab has less lag than Samus's or someone random like TL - she's still lagging long enough to be punished on reaction, and she grabs so slowly that you can evade it on reaction. She has a tether grab's lagtime without the actual tether, she has the WORST possible power on her throws (too strong for follow-ups, too weak to be relied on for KOs), her pummel is really slow, etc.

I realize that this thread just asked for the grab, but either way it's still Zelda. Adding in anything else only solidifies that.

 

[CRASHiC]

You'd think it would be Jigglypuff, with those tiny arms, but no, her grab range is abnormally huge, ESPECIALLY her pivot grab. Its actually her safest ground move.

Plus, her dthrow is so cute :3

 

[HammerBro123]

really chairzard has 2 on the list i didnt think he would be that high i knew that ddd is cause he has like 4x the grab as ics

 

[lain]

Ice Climbers

 

[Kamikaze*]

Ice Climbers

DDD is even worse, you have to be like breathing on top them them to get a grab in. thats how close you have to be.

Oli is pretty bad too. Those pikmin can't grab anything.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

Tossup between Zelda and Zamus.

I would rather just get rid of their grabs and make it a permanent shield button if I could, sometimes.

 

[Tien2500]

really chairzard has 2 on the list i didnt think he would be that high i knew that ddd is cause he has like 4x the grab as ics

Charizard's grabrange is very large. He actually grabs with his mouth and extends his neck quite a bit on it.

 

[Shadia]

I'd have to say Samus, but don't really like grabbing with zss either. I'm so paranoid I'll miss, her lag time for a failed grab is just awful.
I never really thought zelda's grab game was that bad, but now that I think about it yeah it kinda is lol. I've always loved her down throw, looks really cool.

 

[Laem]

worst is zelda, see raphael's post

 

[pacmansays]

I kinda agree with the toon Link comments, I rarely use his grab as even for a tether its quite slow and often I mess up and get punished for it.

 

[Sosuke]

Toon Link's best throw kills at ~250 fresh.
And none of this throw set up for anything.
And its a tether.

 

[Remzi]

Samus' grab is leagues worse than TL's. At least TL's come out fast enough to shield grab laggy attacks. Samus's is sooo slow it's ridiculous. And TL's dthrow is a good setup, as is uthrow. And Fthrow is a good gtfo move.

 

[solitonmedic]

Probably Toon Link's grab and tether recovery.

 

[Sosuke]

Samus has a running grab which has more range and is faster.

Toon Link's throws set up for nothing.
Dthrow might get you a follow up, but its in no way guaranteed. Just mind games.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Ganondorf can grab release Lucas, Ness, Squirtle, Meta Knight and Wario. His forward throw does 13%. It has terrible standing grab range but his pivot and dash grab have good range, especially pivot grab. His pummel is slow, though.

Grab release them to what? He has a grab release > jab on Lucas and Ness, big deal, fthrow is always a better option. A Wizkick on Meta knight, once again, fthrow is a better option. His dash grab and pivot grab have more range than his normal standing grab, they don't have "suprising" range though. His pummel is very slow, do around 1-2% each.

Not bieng able to grab the opponent, or at least having the hardest time at it, is a major factor in grab games. Ganon has one of the worst, if not the worst, grab games.

 

[mountain_tiger]

Hey guys, I just want to clear something up. By grab game, I don't mean just their grab, but also all their throws, their pummel and all that stuff. Some people already knew that, but I just wanted to make sure everyone knew.

 

[TP]

Grab release them to what? He has a grab release > jab on Lucas and Ness, big deal, fthrow is always a better option. A Wizkick on Meta knight, once again, fthrow is a better option. His dash grab and pivot grab have more range than his normal standing grab, they don't have "suprising" range though. His pummel is very slow, do around 1-2% each.

Not bieng able to grab the opponent, or at least having the hardest time at it, is a major factor in grab games. Ganon has one of the worst, if not the worst, grab games.

Pivot grab has awesome range, what are you saying. His pummel is not super slow at all. Probably below average, but only that. His grab is also one of the tallest in the game, which helps against aerial approaches.

Ganon's grab game is bad, but with the most damaging Fthrow and various other redeeming qualities, it can't be the worst, especially after reading this stuff about Samus and Toon Link.

Kalm, you're gonna have to get used to me following you around again.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Pivot grab has awesome range, what are you saying. His pummel is not super slow at all. Probably below average, but only that. His grab is also one of the tallest in the game, which helps against aerial approaches.

Ganon's grab game is bad, but with the most damaging Fthrow and various other redeeming qualities, it can't be the worst, especially after reading this stuff about Samus and Toon Link.

Kalm, you're gonna have to get used to me following you around again.

If Ganon's pivot grab had "awesome range", it would be past at least Ness on the standing grab range list.

Yeah, I already adjusted myself to that, after seeing your post in the General Discussion topic.

 

[Mr.Victory07]

Seriously if IC's couldn't CG theirs would be one of the worst with their god awe full grab range, and throws that don't do anything and can't be followed up on much except d-throw at low %'s.

But otherwise, Zelda and ZSS have terrible grabs, but ZSS's throws are actually quite good and Zelda's b-throw at least has some power, and d-throw can set up. Samus just has a bad grab game overall, and TL does too.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Seriously if IC's couldn't CG theirs would be one of the worst with their god awe full grab range, and throws that don't do anything and can't be followed up on much except d-throw at low %'s.

That's if they couldn't. Apparently, they could.