Who even uses counter?

[AkkoBestuGrill]

I'm just curious. The only Marth's I see that uses Counter are spammers and spammers smh

 

[SmashBro99]

People who can make good reads with it and don't spam it like newbs.

Also a great edge guard vs some recoveries/characters

 

[Vipermoon]

It's mostly for edgeguards, but also sometimes you definitely know your opponent will swing.

 

[Arthur97]

Think (as Lucina) I KO'd a Falco off of his down air, so it certainly can be useful.

 

[Vipermoon]

SWEET! Lucina has the Fire Emblem Critical Hit noise on her Counter (maybe only when it will kill). I hope Marth has this too. Great little detail. Critical Hits are not represented enough in Smash for being such a staple in the entire FE series (other than Marth tippers).

Video already starts at the correct moment (2:31).

 

[Arthur97]

SWEET! Lucina has the Fire Emblem Critical Hit noise on her Counter (maybe only when it will kill). I hope Marth has this too. Great little detail. Critical Hits are not represented enough in Smash for being such a staple in the entire FE series (other than Marth tippers).

Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope not. Though, if it were Lucina exclusive, it likely would have been the Awakening sound.

 

[Vipermoon]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope not. Though, if it were Lucina exclusive, it likely would have been the Awakening sound.

Right. So if it's the classic sound... either they're going for what Smash players recognize or Marth has it.

 

[Arthur97]

Right. So if it's the classic sound... either they're going for what Smash players recognize or Marth has it.

Granted, I can't really think of a distinct Awakening crit sound. I think it was just a more intense hit maybe, but by the end of the game I was usually getting some sort of skill or crit so I'm not even sure.

 

[roymustang1990-]

mostly scrubby marcinas who don't know how to get out of pressure situations

 

[Downshift]

I'm just curious. The only Marth's I see that uses Counter are spammers and spammers smh

I use Counter against spammers.

 

[Vipermoon]

Marth's counter also makes the critical hit sound.

 

[Codebox]

Counters can be useful for heavy edgeguards and reads. Unless you mean those who do nothing but spam it because they think it'll garner them every KO? It can also be useful against spammers.

 

[HopeOfBlossom]

I use it. In a sneaky way. I tend to bait my oponent with it, like taking a Nair on purpose and then put a counter when I see my opponent going at it again. But it's like one time in a best of 3. Otherwise it's usefull against people recovering low and having a wide UpB hitbox. Other than that eh. Guard parry is more efficient I supose.

 

[staindgrey]

I try to limit it as a read once a match. When your opponent kind of forgets it's an option and you know they're coming in, it can get them off the stage and turn the tables. Possibly kill.

But yeah, as mentioned, it's basically for edgeguarding at higher level play. Though as the meta develops, I think parries will start to make counter moves more and more obsolete. We're already starting to see great punishes off of parries when opponents are getting back off the ledge.

 

[ISolox]

I use it. Sometimes even spam it if the character is easy to read.
It wins matches so idc.

 

[whippletickle]

I use it as a hard read once or twice a match, it helps to get into the opponent's head "they're going to counter if I do x"
It works well as an edgeguard against quite a few chars.
If you're good at baiting and conditioning you can really mess with people with counter, but parry is definitely going to make counters a bit obsolete in the meta

 

[JWoods87]

I also use it as an edgeguarding tool, against Ike or Chrom's up B the knockback will prevent them from recovering. It's also very powerful against the Link's if you counter offstage while they're recovering. There are more characters its good against but basically anyone who's up B has a hit box. Some better than others

 

[Goddamn_Angela]

Rarely but I do pull it out every so often when I play Lucina if I read an input or want to surprise my opponent. Also as edgeguard.

I have learned to use it less since I was guilty of overusing it and being punished.

 

[FartyParty]

I'm not a top level player and when you're doing online quickplay at 200K GSP or less, a lot of players make mistakes and counter becomes a fairly reliable tool for getting kills. I also use it in a high risk/high reward strategy against really obvious players. I'll intentionally do something compromising to bait them into an attack and try to counter it.

I also find it useful for breaking juggles or sometimes even dealing with projectiles.

 

[Raiks]

Very good edge guard against some characters like Ike, Chrom and Links.

Aside from that, it can be useful as a hard read or when opponents are predictable with their aerials.