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What's your ideal Smash game?

Perkilator

Perkilator

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Just as the title says (based on an old thread from a while back). I'm sure we all have ideas for what we want Smash to be, so you know what? Here's where you can let your imagination run free!

I mainly put my ideas towards Ultimate but a little throughout the rest of the series, so I'm gonna separate these a little.

Roster(s)
Starters
  • :mario64:
  • :dk64:
  • :link64:
  • :samus64:
  • :yoshi64:
  • :kirby64:
  • :fox64:
  • :pikachu64:
Unlockables
  • :luigi64: (Stage fought: Peach's Castle)
    • Complete 1P Game as any character
    • Complete Board the Platforms with :mario64:
    • 25 Vs. Matches
  • :ness64: (Stage fought: Dream Land)
    • Complete 1P Game with 3+ lives and no continues
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  • :falcon64: (Stage fought: Planet Zebes)
    • Complete 1P Game within 20 minutes without continues
    • 75 Vs. Matches
  • :052: (Meowth) (Stage fought: Saffron City)
    • Complete Target Test and Board the Platforms as all starters
    • Complete 1P Game as all starters
    • 100 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mariomelee:
  2. :dkmelee:
  3. :linkmelee:
  4. :samusmelee:
  5. :yoshimelee:
  6. :kirbymelee:
  7. :foxmelee:
  8. :pikachumelee:
  9. :nessmelee:
  10. :falconmelee:
  11. :peachmelee:
  12. :bowsermelee:
  13. :icsmelee:
  14. :zeldamelee:/:sheikmelee:
  15. :212: (Scizor)
Unlockables
  1. :luigimelee: (Stage fought: Mushroom Kingdom II)
    • Complete Stage 1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a ":X2" in the second's slot, then defeat :luigimelee::peachmelee: in less than a minute and clear the rest of the mode
    • 10 Vs. Matches on Mushroom Kingdom
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • Complete Event Match #37
    • Summon 100 Poke Ball Pokémon
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. Ayumi Tachibana (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Unlock 100 different Trophies
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :falcomelee: (Stage fought: Battlefield)
    • Clear 100-Man Melee
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :marthmelee: (Stage fought: Fountain of Dreams)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all starters without continuing
    • Play Vs. Matches at least once with all 15 starters
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :younglinkmelee: (Stage fought: Great Bay)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode with 20 characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as :linkmelee: on Hard+
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorfmelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Event Match #29
    • Clear Adventure Mode as :linkmelee::younglinkmelee::zeldamelee: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Final Destination)
    • Play for a total of 15 hours
    • Summon a Legendary Pokémon 75 times
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Hyrule Temple)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as :marthmelee: on Hard+ without continuing
    • Clear every bonus game in Classic Mode as :marthmelee:
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gawmelee: (Stage fought: Flat Zone)
    • Clear Classic or Adventure Mode as all other characters
    • Clear Target Test as all other characters
    • Clear 50 Event Matches
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :mario2:
  2. :dk2:
  3. :link2:
  4. :samus2:/:zerosuitsamus:
  5. :yoshi2:
  6. :kirby2:
  7. :fox:
  8. :pikachu2:
  9. :peach:
  10. :bowser2:
  11. :popo:
  12. :sheilda:
  13. :metaknight:
  14. :pit:
  15. :wario:
  16. :snake:
  17. :ike:
  18. :charizard:
  19. :diddy:
  20. :lucas:
  21. :dedede:
  22. :olimar:
Unlockables
  1. :luigi2: (Stage fought: Luigi's Mansion)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with no continues
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  2. :ness2: (Stage fought: Onett)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  3. :falcon:(Stage fought: :porttown:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic mode on Normal+ within 12 minutes
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  4. :052: (Stage fought: :ps2:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Ruined Zoo and run away from the Pig King Statue without losing a life; you'll fight Meowth instead of Porky, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear 20 Event Matches
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  5. :falco: (Stage fought: Corneria)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear 100-Man Brawl
    • 500 Vs. Matches
  6. :marth: (Stage fought: :castlesiege:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode on Normal+ as any character
    • 600 Vs. Matches
  7. :ganondorf: (Stage fought: :eldin:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda: on Hard+
    • 700 Vs. Matches
  8. :mewtwomelee: (Stage fought: Pokémon Stadium)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Path to the Ruins without losing a life; you'll fight Mewtwo instead of Wario
    • Clear Boss Battles on Hard+
    • 800 Vs. Matches
  9. :roymelee: (Stage fought: Temple)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Wilds I without losing a life; you'll fight Roy instead of Galleom
    • Clear Classic Mode as :ike::marth: on Hard+
    • 900 Vs. Matches
  10. :gw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Clear Target Smash with 20+ characters
    • 1000 Vs. Matches
  11. :sonic: (Stage fought: :greenhill:)
    • Defeat Tabuu in SSE
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • Play 10 hours of Vs. Matches
    • 1100 Vs. Matches
  12. :lucario: (Stage fought: :spearpillar:)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Complete Target Smash on all difficulties with any character
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Brawl
    • 1200 Vs. Matches
  13. :rob: (Stage fought: Mario Bros.)
    • Recruit in SSE
    • Collect 200 different Trophies
    • 1300 Vs. Matches
  14. :toonlink: (Stage fought: :pirateship:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the Lake; you'll fight Toon Link instead of Rayquaza, and winning ends the level there
    • Clear Classic Mode as :link2::zelda::ganondorf: without continuing
    • 1400 Vs. Matches
  15. :wolf: (Stage fought: :lylat:)
    • After beating SSE, head to the end of the Glacier without losing a life; you'll fight Wolf instead of Meta Knight/Lucario
    • Clear Boss Battles on any difficulty
    • 1500 Vs. Matches
Starters
  1. :4mario:
  2. :4dk:
  3. :4link:
  4. :4samus:
  5. :4yoshi:
  6. :4kirby:
  7. :4fox:
  8. :4pikachu:
  9. :4luigi:
  10. :4falcon:
  11. :4peach:
  12. :4bowser:
  13. :4sheik:
  14. :4zelda:
  15. :4marth:
  16. :4pit:
  17. :4wario:
  18. :4myfriends:
  19. :4charizard:
  20. :4diddy:
  21. :4sonic:
  22. :4dedede:
  23. :4olimar:
  24. Snivy
  25. :4villager:
  26. :4megaman:
  27. :4wiifit:
  28. :4littlemac:
  29. :4mii::4miif:
    • :4miibrawl:
    • :4miisword:
    • :4miigun:
  30. :4palutena:
  31. :4robinm:
  32. :4shulk:
Unlockables
  1. :4ness: (Stage fought: Magicant / Onett)
    • Reflect 10 projectiles
    • Clear Classic Mode on 2.0+
    • 10 Vs. Matches
  2. :052: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Defeat 100 enemies in Smash Run (3DS only)
    • Collect at least 50 different pieces of equippment
    • 20 Vs. Matches
  3. :212: (Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Summon a Poké Ball Pokémon 100 times
    • Summon a Master Ball Pokémon 50 times
    • 30 Vs. Matches
  4. :4falco: (Stage fought: Corneria / Orbital Gate Assault)
    • Clear 100-Man Smash
    • 40 Vs. Matches
  5. :4ganondorf: (Stage fought: Gerudo Valley / Skyloft)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4link: :4zelda::4sheik: on 5.5+
    • 50 Vs. Matches
  6. :4gaw: (Stage fought: :flatzone2:)
    • Clear Classic Mode with 10+ characters
    • 60 Vs. Matches
  7. :4metaknight: (Stage fought: Dream Land GB/ :halberd:)
    • Get 5 KO's in Cruel Smash
    • 70 Vs. Matches
  8. :4zss: (Stage fought: Brinstar / Pyrosphere)
    • Get 30 KO's with Samus's Final Smash
    • Defeat Ridley on the Pyrosphere stage (Wii U only)
    • 80 Vs. Matches
  9. :4lucario: (Stage fought: Unova Pokémon League / Hyrule Temple)
    • Get 30 combined KO's with :4charizard:'s and :212:'s Final Smashes
    • Outlast to up to 300% damage
    • 90 Vs. Matches
  10. :rosalina: (Stage fought: Golden Plains / Mario Galaxy)
    • Get a successful recovery as :4littlemac: 5 times
    • 100 Vs. Matches
  11. :4greninja:(Stage fought: Prism Tower / Kalos Pokémon League)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4charizard: and Snivy on 6.0+
    • Clear a Final Battle in Smash Run without taking damage
    • 125 Vs. Matches
  12. :4darkpit: (Stage fought: Reset Bomb Forest / Palutena's Temple)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4pit: and :4palutena: on 5.5+
    • 150 Vs. Matches
  13. :4pacman: (Stage fought: PAC-MAZE / PAC-LAND)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4mario::4megaman::4sonic: on 5.5+
    • Eat 50 Ghosts on PAC-MAZE (3DS only)
    • 200 Vs. Matches
  14. :chrom: (Stage fought: Arena Ferox / Coliseum)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4marth: on 5.5+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4robinm: on 5.5+
    • 300 Vs. Matches
  15. :4bowserjr:(Stage fought: 3D Land / Delfino Plaza)
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4bowser: on 6.0+
    • Clear Classic Mode as :4peach: on 6.0+
    • 400 Vs. Matches
  16. :4duckhunt: (Stage fought: Duck Hunt)
    • Clear Target Blast as all other characters
    • Clear Classic Mode as all other characters on 6.0+
    • Unlock every Masterpiece (Wii U only)
    • 500 Vs. Matches
DLC Pack 1
  1. :4mewtwo:
  2. Ayumi Tachibana
DLC Pack 2
  1. :4ryu:
    • Stage: Suzaku Castle
  2. :4lucas:
    • Stage: New Pork City (Wii U only)
DLC Pack 3
  1. :4cloud:
    • Stage: Midgar
  2. :4feroy:
DLC Pack 4
  1. :azura: (Azura)
    • Stage: Opera House (3DS only)
  2. :4bayonetta:
    • Stage Umbra Clock Tower
64
  • 1. :ultmario:
  • 2. :ultdk:
  • 3. :ultlink:
  • 4. :ultsamus:
    • 4ε. :ultdarksamus:
  • 5. :ultyoshi:
  • 6. :ultkirby:
  • 7. :ultfox:
  • 8. :ultpikachu:
  • 9. :ultluigi:
  • 10. :ultness:
  • 11. :ultfalcon:
  • 12. :052:
Melee
  • 13. :ultpeach:
    • 13ε. :ultdaisy:
  • 14. :ultbowser:
  • 15. :ulticeclimbers:
  • 16. :ultsheik:
  • 17. :ultzelda:
  • 18.:212:
  • 19. Ayumi Tachibana
  • 20. :ultmarth:
  • 21. :ultmewtwo:
  • 22. :ultgnw:
  • 23. :ultyounglink:
  • 24. :ultganondorf:
  • 25. :ultfalco:
  • 26. :ultroy:
    • 26ε. :ultchrom:
Brawl
  • 27. :ultmetaknight:
  • 28. :ultpit:
    • 28ε. :ultdarkpit:
  • 29. :ultzss:
  • 30. :ultwario:
  • 31. :ultsnake:
  • 32. :ultike:
  • 33. :ultcharizard:
  • 34. :ultdiddy:
  • 35.:ultlucas:
  • 36. :ultsonic:
  • 37. :ultkingdedede:
  • 38.:ultolimar:
  • 39. :ultlucario:
  • 40. :ultrob:
  • 41. :ulttoonlink:
  • 42. :ultwolf:
Smash 4
  • 43. Snivy
  • 44. :ultvillager:
  • 45. :ultmegaman:
  • 46. :ultwiifittrainer:
  • 47. :ultrosalina:
  • 48. :ultlittlemac:
  • 49. :ultgreninja:
  • :ultmiifighters:
    • 50. :ultbrawler:
    • 51. :ultswordfighter:
    • 52. :ultgunner:
  • 53. :ultpalutena:
  • 54. :ultpacman:
  • 55. :ultrobin:
  • 56. :ultshulk:
  • 57. :ultbowserjr:
  • 58. :ultduckhunt:
  • 59. :ultryu:
    • 59ε. :ultken: (Echo)
  • 60. :ultcloud:
  • 61. :azura:
  • 62. :ultbayonetta:
Newcomers
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultdk:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultsamus:
  5. :ultyoshi:
  6. :ultkirby:
  7. :ultfox:
  8. :ultpikachu:
  9. :ultluigi:
  10. :ultness:
  11. :ultfalcon:
  12. :052:
  13. :ultinkling:
  14. :ultsimon:
  15. Crash
  16. :ultridley:
  17. :ultkrool:
  18. :ultisabelle:
  19. :ultincineroar:
  20. Bandana Waddle Dee
  21. :ultmiifighters:
  • 71. :ultjoker:
    • Stage: Mementos
  • 72. :ulthero:
    • Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
  • 73. :ultbanjokazooie:
    • Stage: Spiral Mountain
  • 74. :ult_terry:
    • Stage: King of Fighters Stadium
  • 75. Sora
  • 76. :ultminmin
    • Stage: Spring Stadium
  • 77. Phoenix Wright
  • 78. :ultsephiroth:
    • Stage: Northern Cave
  • 79-80. :ultpyra:/:ultmythra:
    • Stage: Cloud Sea of Alrest
  • 81. :ultkazuya:
    • Stage: Mishima Dojo
  • 82. :ultsteve:
    • Stage: Minecraft World

Modes for Ultimate

  • Smash
  • Squad Strike
  • Tourney
  • Volleyball
  • Special Smash
    • Smashdown
    • Custom Smash
    • Coin Battle
    • Super Sudden Death
  • Smash Run
  • Classic Mode
  • Training
  • Stadium
    • Target Test
    • Mob Smash
      • Century Smash
      • 3-Minute Smash
      • Rival Smash
      • Cruel Smash
    • Home-Run Contest
    • Boss Battles
  • All-Star
  • Challenger's Approach (only for unlockable characters and DLC characters)
  • VR
  • With Anyone
    • For Fun
    • For Glory
  • With Friends
  • Online Tourney
  • Boss Raid
  • Spectate
  • Sounds
  • Replays
    • Video Editor
  • Records
    • Stats
    • Milestones
    • Battle Data
    • Smash Tags
    • Past Opponents
  • Challenges
  • Tips
  • Movies
  • Shop
  • Mii Fighters
  • Stage Builder
  • amiibo
  • World of Light
  • Spirit Board
  • Collection
  • DLC Spirits (added with Joker)
  • Spirit Rematch (added with Joker)
    • Boss Rematches

Gen 1
  • Venusaur
    • Uses Solar Beam to attack anyone above itself
  • Charizard (64 & Melee)
    • Promoted to playable in Brawl
  • Beedrill (64)
  • Clefairy (64)
  • Onix
  • Koffing
  • Chansey
  • Staryu
  • Magikarp
  • Snorlax
  • Mewtwo (64)
    • Uses Psychic to lower the gravity of the battlefield
    • Promoted to playable in Melee
  • Mew
  • Electrode
  • Eevee
  • Ditto
  • Alolan Raichu
  • Alolan Exeggutor
  • Alolan Vulpix
Gen 2
  • Chikorita
  • Cyndaquil
    • Uses Smokescreen to cover the screen in smoke
  • Togepi
    • Replaces Clefairy in Melee onwards
  • Bellossom
  • Wobbufet
  • Raikou
  • Entei
  • Suicune
  • Lugia
  • Ho-Oh
Gen 3
  • Torchic
  • Gardevoir
  • Gulpin
  • Metagross
  • Spinda
    • Uses Dizzy Punch to instantly break an opponent's shield
  • Latios & Latias
  • Kyogre
  • Deoxys
Gen 4
  • Piplup
    • Traps opponents in bubbles with Bubble
  • Croagunk
    • Attacks with Close Combat and Poisons opponents with Poison Touch
  • Abomasnow
  • Dialga
    • Replaces Shadow's function in Ultimate
  • Palkia
  • Giratina
  • Arceus
  • Darkrai
Gen 5
  • Victini
  • Tepig
    • Slams into opponents with Heat Crash
  • Oshawott
  • Chandelure
    • Attacks with Will-o-Wisp and Fire Spin
  • Zoroark
  • Kyurem
  • Meloetta
  • Genesect
  • Keldeo
Gen 6
  • Chespin
  • Fennekin
  • Fletchling
  • Spewpa
  • Gogoat
  • Swirlix
  • Inkay
  • Dedenne
  • Xerneas
  • Yveltal
    • Obliterates every fighter within half the screen with Oblivion Wing, which it uses offscreen
Gen 7
  • Decidueye
    • Pins the opponent down with Spirit Shackle, then charges forward with Brave Bird
  • Primarina
    • Uses Sparkling Aria to spread several bubbles on the stage; these bubbles heal the summoner and damage opponents
  • Bewear
  • Pyukumuku
  • Togedemaru
  • Mimikyu
  • Tapu Koko
  • Nihilego
    • Latches onto opponents and poisons them with Venom Drench
  • Solgaleo
  • Lunala
  • Necrozma
    • Attacks in a large area with Prismatic Laser
Super Mario
  • Hammer Bro
  • Lakitu & Spinies
  • Waluigi
  • Chain Chomp
  • Thwomp
  • Flies & Hand
  • Magikoopa
    • Turns all fighters either Tiny or Giant; cannot be K.O.'d
Donkey Kong
  • Stanley the Bugman
    • Jumps around and pushes fighters towards the top of the screen; can be K.O.'d
  • Klaptrap
  • Zinger
    • Zips around stinging opponents; can be K.O.'d
    • If Zinger takes enough hits or is hit by a powerful attack, it changes to red and is temporarily invincible
The Legend of Zelda
  • Tingle
  • Skull Kid
  • Midna
  • Girahim
  • Moon
  • Guardian
    • Locks a horrifyingly strong laser on an opponent; can be K.O.'d
Metroid
  • Metroid
  • Dark Samus
    • Promoted to playable in Ultimate
  • Mother Brain
Yoshi
  • Toadies
    • Swarm around the nearest opponent to lift them offscreen to the top; can be K.O.'d
Kirby
  • Knuckle Joe
  • Chef Kawasaki
  • Kracko
    • Travels around the stage raining lightning, spinning a beam, and hurting opponents on contact; can be K.O.'d
  • Adeleine
    • Sends out paintings that can all be K.O.'d
    • After losing three in a row, Adeleine gets mad and rushes towards an opponent; can be K.O.'d in one hit
  • Susie
    • Turns every fighter metal and retreats; cannot be K.O.'d
Star Fox
  • Andross
  • Krystal
  • Peppy
    • Shoots his blaster and barrel rolls out of danger; can be K.O.'d
EarthBound
  • Jeff
  • Starman
F-ZERO
  • Samurai Goroh
  • Pico
    • Snipes opponents from offscreen; cannot be K.O.'d
Ice Climber
  • Polar Bear
    • Slowly walks around and causes earthquakes by jumping; can be K.O.'d
    • The Polar Bear is weak to fire attacks
Fire Emblem
  • Lyn
  • Tiki
  • Black Knight
Game & Watch
  • Manhole
    • Appears near the blast zone to rescue the summoner; cannot be K.O.'d
Kid Icarus
  • Phosphora
  • Magnus
  • Eggplant Wizard
    • Turns opponents into eggplants with legs; can be K.O.'d
Wario
  • Kat and Ana
  • Ashley
Metal Gear
  • Gray Fox
Sonic the Hedgehog
  • Shadow
    • Promoted to playable in Ultimate
  • Dr. Eggman
    • Fights with a ball and chain; can be K.O.'d
Pikmin
  • Bulborb
    • Walks around to eat opponents; can be K.O.'d
Animal Crossing
  • Resetti
  • Isabelle
    • Promoted to playable in Ultimate
  • Kapp'n
Mega Man
  • Dr. Wily
  • Zero
Wii Fit
  • Wii Balance Board
Punch-Out!!
  • Little Mac
    • Promoted to playable in Sm4sh
  • Bald Bull
    • Charges forward with Bull Rush; can be K.O.'d
PAC-MAN
  • Ghosts
Xenoblade Chronicles
  • Riki
Street Fighter
  • Guile
FINAL FANTASY
  • Cactuar
    • Jumps around erratically and finishes with its signature 1,000 Needles; can be K.O.'d
  • Tifa Lockhart (Uses her Limit Breaks in order; can be K.O.'d)
    • Beat Rush
    • Somersault
    • Waterkick
    • Meteodrive
    • Dolphin Blow
    • Meteor Strike
    • Final Heaven
Bayonetta
  • Rodin
Splatoon
  • Callie & Marie
Castlevania
  • Alucard
Crash Bandicoot
  • Dr. Neo Cortex
    • Flies on his hoverboard and fires different laser shots; can be K.O.'d
Misc. Nintendo
  • Color-TV Game 15
  • Sheriff
  • Devil
  • Takamaru
  • Dr. Wright
  • Sable Prince
  • Sukapon
  • Isaac
  • Starfy
  • Dr. Kawashima
  • Vince
  • Nikki
  • Dillon
  • Yuri Kozukata
  • Arcade Bunny
  • Spring Man
Misc. 3rd Party
  • Bomberman
  • Frogger
    • Hops around and grabs and throws opponents with his tongue; can be K.O.'d
  • Akira Yuki
  • Magician Type-0
    • Mimics his boss pattern from his game of origin; can be K.O.'d
  • Rathalos
  • Sir Arthur
    • Jumps around chucking lances at opponents; can be K.O.'d
    • Arthur's armor keeps him from being launched far, but strong enough attacks break it and he's more vulnerable
    • If left alone long enough, he upgrades to Holy Armor and gains super armor
  • Solaire of Astora
    • Throws lightning spears at his enemies; can be K.O.'d
  • Shovel Knight
Others
 
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My ideal Smash game is called Super Smash Bros. Eternal. It's an Ultimate sequel that buffs the roster to 100 total characters, and then tosses in just a few more as DLC. I'm not finished with this yet, so I'll come back to this later for some updates...

  • There is no limit to how many alternate costumes each character has, but everyone still has at least eight, one for each player slot.
  • Every character has a special "Reward Tree," in which the player can unlock new things by constantly playing as the character and/or clearing specific challenges with them. These Trees unlock things such as alternate costumes, Mii costumes, songs, and even stage skins. The final reward for each character is a special Golden Alternate Costume. Use this to flex on your friends!
  • Just like in Ultimate, every stage has a default form, a Battlefield form, and a Final Destination form. However, this game introduces Stage Skins, which can alter the stage to resemble a different location and/or feature new hazards. Because of this, there are technically no stages that share layouts.
  • Assist Trophy characters/Poke Ball Pokemon have been upgraded to follow a similar system to Fraymakers. Assist characters are attached to a meter that fills as you deal/receive damage. Once full, you can press a button to summon your Assist, who serves a simplified function before disappearing. While more complicated and/or powerful Assists are still available from items, these simpler Assists are actually designed to be tournament legal.

  1. Mario
  2. Donkey Kong
  3. Link (Still uses his BotW design by default, but Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, and Ocarina of Time designs are available through costumes)
  4. Samus (Has her Fusion Suit, Dread Suit, and Justin Bailey as alternate costumes)
  5. Yoshi
  6. Kirby
  7. Fox
  8. Pikachu (Chase appears as its Trainer in the background)
  9. Luigi (Has a redesigned moveset inspired by the Luigi's Mansion series)
  10. Ness
  11. Captain Falcon
  12. Jigglypuff (Elaine appears as its Trainer in the background)
  13. Peach
  14. Bowser (Has Dry Bowser as an alternate character)
  15. Ice Climbers
  16. Sheik
  17. Zelda (Still uses her ALBW design by default, and has her Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Zelda 1 designs available as alts)
  18. Dr. Mario
  19. Pichu (Gold appears as its Trainer in the background. Lyra can be swapped in instead)
  20. Falco
  21. Marth
  22. Young Link
  23. Ganondorf (Still uses his Ocarina of Time design by default, but has his Twilight Princess and Wind Waker designs available as alts)
  24. Mewtwo (The only playable Pokemon without a Trainer)
  25. Roy
  26. Mr. Game & Watch
  27. Meta Knight
  28. Pit
  29. Zero Suit Samus
  30. Wario (His moveset has been slightly updated to include a few additional Wario Land references)
  31. Snake (Big Boss is now available as an alternate character)
  32. Ike
  33. Squirtle (Blue appears in the background as its Trainer)
  34. Ivysaur (Leaf appears in the background as its Trainer)
  35. Charizard (Red appears in the background as its Trainer)
  36. Diddy Kong
  37. Lucas
  38. Sonic (Now has his Classic, Boom, and Movie forms as alternate costumes)
  39. King Dedede
  40. Olimar (Now has Louie, the President, Alph, Brittany, and Charlie as alternate characters)
  41. Lucario (Lucas appears in the background as its Trainer. Dawn can be swapped in instead)
  42. R.O.B.
  43. Toon Link
  44. Wolf
  45. Villager
  46. Mega Man
  47. Wii Fit Trainer
  48. Rosalina & Luma
  49. Little Mac (Doc Louis is now present in the background of the stage)
  50. Greninja (Calem appears in the background as its Trainer. Serena can be swapped in instead)
  51. Mii Brawler
  52. Mii Swordfighter
  53. Mii Gunner
  54. Palutena
  55. Pac-Man (Now has Ms. Pac-Man as an alternate character)
  56. Lucina (Still Marth's echo)
  57. Robin
  58. Shulk
  59. Bowser Jr. (Still has the Koopalings as alternate characters. Jr. and all the Koopalings each have one alternate color option. Shadow Mario can be unlocked as well.)
  60. Duck Hunt
  61. Dark Pit (Still Pit's echo)
  62. Ryu
  63. Cloud
  64. Corrin
  65. Bayonetta
  66. Inkling
  67. Daisy (No longer Peach's echo fighter. Has a brand new moveset based on the Sports spinoffs with a few references to Super Mario Land. She wears her outfit from Mario Strikers Charged by default, and has her Dress and other Sports uniforms as alts)
  68. Ridley
  69. Simon
  70. Richter (Still Simon's echo)
  71. Chrom (Still Roy's echo)
  72. Dark Samus (No longer Samus's echo. Her moveset is still somewhat similar, but it now has plenty of references to her boss fights)
  73. King K. Rool
  74. Isabelle
  75. Ken (Still Ryu's echo)
  76. Incineroar (Elio appears in the background as its Trainer. Selene can be swapped in instead)
  77. Piranha Plant
  78. Joker
  79. Eleven (The Heroes now use their canon names. Each of the Eleven Dragon Quest heroes and their female variants (for the ones who have them anyway) are available as alternate characters)
  80. Banjo-Kazooie
  81. Terry
  82. Byleth
  83. Min Min
  84. Steve (Alex, Zombie, and Enderman are still here. Skeleton, Piglin, and Jesse (from Minecraft Story Mode) have been added as alternate characters as well)
  85. Sephiroth
  86. Pyra
  87. Mythra
  88. Kazuya
  89. ????
  90. Waluigi
  91. Vaati
  92. Porky
  93. Captain Syrup
  94. Knuckles
  95. Lip (Has all of the other fairies from Panel de Pon as alternate characters. Each one has an alternate costume inspired by the Yoshi characters that replaced them in Tetris Attack)
  96. Octoling (Inkling's echo. Has roughly the same moveset, only it's primarily based on Splatoon 2)
  97. Sir Arthur
  98. Gardevoir (Brendan appears in the background as its Trainer. May can be swapped in instead)
  99. Gothitelle (Gardevoir's echo. Hilbert appears in the background as its Trainer. Hilda, Nate, and Rosa can be swapped in instead)
  100. Kamek
  101. Geno (First character of the DLC Pass 1)
  102. Kris (Moveset roughly copied from Rivals of Aether)
  103. Demitiri Maximoff
  104. Dr. Eggman (Has his Classic, Boom, and Movie forms as alternate costumes. Even Eggrobo can unlocked as an alternate character)
  105. Sirfetch'd (Victor appears in the background as its Trainer. Gloria can be swapped in instead)
  106. Conker (First character of the DLC Pass 2)
  107. Sora
  108. Viridi
  109. Mike Jones
  110. Space Invaders
  111. Master Hand (Bonus character unlocked if all the DLC Pass 1 characters are purchased)
  112. Crazy Hand (Bonus character unlocked if all the DLC Pass 2 characters are purchased)
 
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I actually have a WIP doc dedicated to this topic so I have a rough idea of how this would look like.

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Luigi, Samus, Ganondorf have largely new movesets. Luigi is based on Luigi's Mansion, Samus is based on Dread, and Ganondorf is based on his boss fights
Dark Samus has new Smash attacks based on her assist trophy
Mario, DK, Wario, Toon Link, Kirby, Sonic have a few new moves
Bowser, DK, Diddy, K. Rool, Samus (+ ZSS) all have their voices from their respective game series
Cloud and Sephiroth are voiced in English
Young Link, Byleth have new Final Smashes
Luigi, Dr. Mario, Ganondorf have new victory themes

New characters (in order of reveal):
  1. Waluigi
  2. Decidueye
  3. Isaac
  4. Rayman
  5. Lloyd
  6. Dragaux
  7. Tails
  8. Dixie Kong
  9. Geno
  10. Phoenix Wright
  11. Master Chief
New alternate costumes:
  • :ultbowser: - Dry Bowser
  • :ultyoshi: - Black Yoshi's grand return
  • :ultganondorf: - :4ganondorf:
  • :ultsamus: - design is based on Metroid Dread, alts are inspired by her suits from across the series
  • :ultmetaknight: - alt based on Morpho Knight
  • :ultfox: :ultfalco: :ultwolf: - each of them has a "classic" alt based on their designs from their respective Smash debut
  • :ultsnake: - Big Boss
  • :ultbayonetta: - Bayonetta 3
  • Waluigi - Tennis alt
  • Phoenix - Alts are split between his design from AA1-3 and his modern design, plus student Nick and Hobo Phoenix
All stages from Ultimate return + Pac-Maze, Rainbow Road, Woolly World

New stages:
  • Bowser's Castle (Super Mario)
  • Ferenia (Metroid Dread)
  • Waluigi Pinball (Mario Kart)
  • Ultra Space (Pokémon Sun and Moon)
  • Venus Lighthouse (Golden Sun)
  • Snoring Tree (Rayman)
  • Tower of Salvation (Tales of Symphonia)
  • Dragaux Stadium (Ring Fit Adventure)
  • Chemical Plant Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog 2)
  • New DK stage (Probably from Tropical Freeze)
  • Forest Maze (Super Mario RPG)
  • Courtroom No. 4 (Ace Attorney)
  • Halo stage
  • Tetris
Like before, each stage has a Battlefield and Omega form.
Assist Trophies
All from Ultimate (- Isaac and Waluigi) +
  • King Boo
  • Bandana Waddle Dee
  • Chibi-Robo
  • Psycho Mantis
  • Tifa Lockhart
  • Goro Akechi
  • Dragonlord
  • Gruntilda
  • Geese Howard
  • Felix
  • Murfy
  • Tales of Assist Trophy
  • Rambi
  • Mallow
  • Franziska Von Karma
  • Raven Beak
  • Akira Howard
  • Kronya
  • Creeper
  • Zeke & Pandoria
  • King
  • Riku
  • Sans
  • Halo Assist Trophy
Poké Balls
All from Ultimate +
  • Salamence
  • Chandelure
  • Hawlucha
  • Aegislash
  • Rillaboom
  • Corviknight
  • Cramorant
  • Toxtricity
  • Grimmsnarl
  • Urshifu
  • Kleavor
NOTE: Most of the old modes are largely the same as Ultimate unless noted otherwise.
Smash
Squad Strike
Tourney
Special Smash
Training - Moved to the Smash category.
ADVENTURE MODE
Not World of Light, but rather a Metroidvania-style beat em up platformer. Think of it like Smash Run but with a much larger map, single player (unless you decide to play in co-op), and with some battles against unlockable fighters and bosses. The areas are based on series represented in Smash. There are few cutscenes but story is de-emphasized in favor of gameplay
Classic Mode - Some of the routes are changed to accommodate for the new characters introduced since, and some are completely revamped. In addition. the bonus minigame is now different for every fighter, being either Board the Platforms, Break the Target, or Race to the Finish
All-Star Mode
Level 1 - :ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultness::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff:
Level 2 - :ultpeach::ultbowser::ulticeclimbers::ultsheik::ultzelda::ultdoc::ultpichu::ultfalco::ultmarth::ultyounglink::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultroy::ultgnw:
Level 3 - :ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultzss::ultwario::ultsnake::ultike::ultpokemontrainer::ultdiddy::ultlucas::ultsonic::ultkingdedede::ultolimar::ultlucario::ultrob::ulttoonlink::ultwolf:
Level 4 - :ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultrosalina::ultlittlemac::ultgreninja::ultbrawler::ultswordfighter::ultgunner::ultpalutena::ultdarkpit::ultpacman::ultlucina::ultrobin::ultshulk::ultbowserjr::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultcloud::ultcorrin::ultbayonetta:
Level 5 - :ultinkling::ultdaisy::ultridley::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultchrom::ultdarksamus::ultkrool::ultisabelle::ultken::ultincineroar::ultpiranha:
Level 6 - :ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultsteve::ultsephiroth::ultpyra::ultmythra::ultkazuya::ultsora:
Level 7 - Waluigi, Decidueye, Isaac, Rayman, Lloyd, Dragaux, Tails, Dixie Kong, Geno, Phoenix, Master Chief
Stadium:
  • Break the Targets - Each character has a unique stage.
  • Home-Run Contest
  • Mob Smash
    • Century Smash
    • 3-Minute Smash
    • Endless Smash
  • Boss Rush (Unlockable) - Sephiroth's Classic Mode is completely revamped to accommodate
Bold = Bosses exclusive to Boss Rush mode
  • Master Hand & Crazy Hand (Master Hand is fought solo on lower difficulties)
  • Giga Bowser
  • Rayquaza (transforms into Mega Rayquaza for phase 2)
  • Porky Minch
  • Galleom
  • Duon
  • Tabuu
  • Master Core
  • Rathalos
  • Dracula
  • Ganon
  • Marx
  • Galeem
  • Dharkon
  • Raven Beak
  • Death Egg Robot
  • New Adventure Mode Final Boss
Smash Run - More customizable, other players can be interacted with on the revamped map, different enemies
Challenger's Approach
With Anyone
  • For Friends
  • For Glory
With Friends
Online Tourney
Smash Run - Same gist as the regular Smash Run, but online
Spectate
Shared Content
Spirits - De-emphasized for this game. Honestly, with this being an "ideal" Smash game I'm thinking of switching back to trophies since I like them way more as collectibles.
  • Spirit Board
  • Collection
Sounds
Replays
  • Video Editor
Records
  • Stats
  • Milestones
  • Battle Data
  • Smash Tags
  • Past Opponents
Challenges
Tips
Movies - also includes all newcomer trailers
Shop
Mii Fighters
Stage Builder
amiibo

Might add more to this in the future. DLC is currently not planned but two fighter passes with 5 characters each are something I would consider
 
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If I were in charge of Smash, I would ensure no game has any cut characters and limit each third party franchise to one rep, although any company can have as many characters as they can per franchise.

001). Mario
002). Donkey Kong
003). Link
004). Samus
005). Yoshi
006). Kirby
007). Fox
008). Pikachu
009). Luigi
010). Captain Falcon
011). Ness
012). Mewtwo (replaced Jigglypuff, who will rather instead appear as a Poke Ball Pokemon)

013). Peach
014). Bowser
015). Ice Climbers
016). Zelda
017). Sheik
018). Olimar (replaced Dr. Mario, promotes Pikmin as a recent GameCube release)
019). Scizor (replaced Pichu as the Gen 2 rep)
020). Falco
021). Marth
022). Ganondorf
023). Skull Kid (replaced Young Link)
024). Wario (thrown in to take Mewtwo's slot as he was added in 64)
025). Roy
026). Mr. Game & Watch

027). Meta Knight
028). Pit
029). Wolf Link (Link transformation)
030). Zero Suit Samus
031). Little Mac (thrown in to take Wario's slot as he was added in Melee)
032). Snake
033). Ike
034). Pokemon Trainer (fights by himself)
035). Charizard
036). Sceptile
037). Diddy Kong
038). Lucas
039). Sonic
040). King Dedede
041). Louie (takes Olimar's spot as the second Pikmin rep)
042). Lucario
043). Villager
044). R.O.B.
045). Midna (replaced Toon Link)
046). Wolf

047). Mega Man
048). Wii Fit Trainer
049). Alph (separated from Olimar, Pikmin 3 promotion)
050). Wonder Red (Wonderful 101 promotion)
051). Zoroark
052). Greninja
053). Rosalina
054). Waddle Dee (Triple Deluxe promotion)
055). Barista (thrown in to take Little Mac's spot (as the Rhythm Heaven rep) as he was added in Brawl)
056). Mii Brawler
057). Mii Swordfighter
058). Mii Gunner
059). King Hippo
060). Palutena
061). Pac-Man
062). Chrom
063). Shulk
064). Bowser Jr.
065). Duck Hunt
066). Dark Pit (not as a Pit echo)

067). Ryu (would replace Mewtwo's DLC according to the "no cuts" rule)
068). Inkling (Splatoon promotion)
069). Ridley (meaning the Ridley boss stage would have to be scrapped if he were eventually to be added as a playable)
070). King K. Rool
071). Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X promotion)
072). Cloud
073). Azura (Fire Emblem Fates promotion instead of Corrin)
074). Bayonetta

075). Spring Man (ARMS promotion instead of Min Min, since he would've made more sense considering he's the ARMS mascot and was initially planned)
076). Daisy (not as a Peach echo)
077). Dark Samus (not as a Samus echo)
078). Celica (takes Chrom's spot for Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia promotion)
079). Rex
080). Pyra (transformation character with Mythra)
081). Mythra (transformation character with Pyra)
082). Simon
083). Bomberman (replaces Richter as the additional Konami rep)
084). Dixie Kong (takes King K. Rool's spot, not as a Diddy echo)
085). Isabelle
086). Jill Valentine
087). Eevee (Kanto Switch remake promotion)
088). Waluigi (would be represented as a Wario character because it wouldn't feel right to have him separated from Wario)
089). Crash

090). Joker
091). Hero
092). Terry
093). Byleth
094). Banjo & Kazooie

095). Akira (takes Min Min's slot as Spring Man should have been in the base roster to begin with, Astral Chain promotion)
096). Steve
097). Rayman (replaces Sephiroth's DLC according to "third party franchises limited to one character" rule)
098). Heihachi (replaces Kazyua's DLC since Heihachi is technically the Tekken mascot)
099). Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club promotion)
100). Sora

Battlefield
Final Destination
Bob-Omb Battlefield
Mushroom Kingdom
Kongo Jungle
Hyrule Castle
Planet Zebes
Super Happy Tree
Dream Land
Sector Z
Saffron City
Onett

Battlefield
Final Destination
Princess Peach's Castle
Bob-Omb Battlefield
Rainbow Cruise
Mushroom Kingdom (64)
Subcon
Yoshi's Island
Luigi's Mansion
Jungle Japes
Kongo Jungle (64)
Kongo Falls
Great Bay
Temple
Hyrule Castle (64)
Brinstar
Brinstar Depths
Yoshi's Story
Super Happy Tree (64)
Green Greens
Fountain of Dreams
Corneria
Venom
Pokemon Stadium
Poke Floats
Saffron City (64)
Sprout Tower
Mute City
Big Blue
Onett
Fourside
Icicle Mountain
Distant Planet
Akaneia
Rice Beach
Flat Zone

Battlefield
Final Destination
Polygon Zone
Princess Peach's Castle (Melee)
Bob-Omb Battlefield (Melee)
Rainbow Cruise (Melee)
Mario Bros.
Mushroomy Kingdom
Mushroom Kingdom II (Subcon from Melee)
Mushroom Kingdom III (based off SMB3)
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Luigi's Mansion
Delfino Plaza
Good Egg Galaxy
Mario Circuit
Donkey Kong Arcade (25m/50m/75m/100m)
Rumble Falls
Jungle Japes (Melee)
Kongo Jungle (64)
Kongo Falls (Melee)
Hyrule Castle (64)
Temple (Melee)
Gerudo Valley
Clock Tower
Bridge of Eldin
Pirate Ship
Brinstar (Melee)
Norfair
Frigate Orpheon
Yoshi's Island
Yoshi's Story (Melee)
Super Happy Tree (64)
Green Greens (Melee)
Fountain of Dreams (Melee)
Halberd
Lylat Cruise
Corneria (Melee)
Venom (Melee)
Pokemon Stadium
Sprout Tower
Spear Pillar
Sand Ocean
Port Town Aero Dive
Onett (Melee)
Saturn Valley
Fourside (Melee)
New Pork City
Icicle Mountain (Melee)
Summit
Distant Planet
Akaneia (Melee)
Castle Siege
Emerald Cave
WarioWare Inc.
Flat Zone 2
Skyworld
Boxing Ring
Town and City
Balloon Fight
Gyromite
Hanenbow
PictoChat
Shadow Moses Island
Green Hill Zone

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smash Canyon
Polygon Zone
Princess Peach's Castle (Melee)
Bob-Omb Battlefield (Melee)
Rainbow Cruise (Melee)
Bowser's Castle
Mario Bros.
Mushroomy Kingdom (Brawl)
Mushroom Kingdom (64)
Mushroom Kingdom II (Melee)
Mushroom Kingdom III (Brawl)
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Luigi's Mansion
Gloomy Manor
Delfino Plaza
Good Egg Galaxy
3D Land
3D World
Acorn Plains
Golden Plains
Mario Circuit
Figure 8-Circuit (Mario Circuit from Brawl)
Rainbow Road
Forest Course
Paper Mario
Mushrise Park
Wrecking Crew
Super Mario Maker (DLC)
Donkey Kong Arcade (25m/50m/75m/100m)
Jungle Hijinxs
Gangplank Galleon (King K. Rool DLC)
Jungle Japes (Melee)
Kongo Jungle (64)
Kongo Falls (Melee)
Rumble Falls (Brawl)
Skyloft
Spirit Train
Hyrule Castle (64)
Temple (Melee)
Gerudo Valley
Great Bay (Melee)
Clock Tower (Brawl)
Bridge of Eldin (Brawl)
Pirate Ship (Brawl)
Brinstar (Melee)
Norfair (Brawl)
Frigate Orpheon (Brawl)
Ice Valley
Woolly World
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Yoshi's Story (Melee)
Super Happy Tree (64)
Green Greens (Melee)
Fountain of Dreams (Melee)
The Great Cave Offensive
Halberd (Brawl)
Orbital Gate Assault
Lylat Cruise (Brawl)
Corneria (Melee)
Venom (Melee)
Katania
Pokemon Stadium (Brawl)
Saffron City (64)
Sprout Tower (Melee)
Hoenn Skies
Spear Pillar (Brawl)
Unova Pokemon League
Kalos Pokemon Leauge
Prism Tower
Sand Ocean (Brawl)
Port Town Aero Dive (Brawl)
Fire Field
Onett (Melee)
Saturn Valley (Brawl)
Fourside (Melee)
Magicant
New Pork City (Brawl)
Icicle Mountain (Melee)
Summit (Brawl)
Distant Planet (Brawl)
Garden of Hope
Akaneia (Melee)
Castle Siege (Brawl)
Arena Ferox
Coliseum
Rice Beach (Melee)
Emerald Cave (Brawl)
WarioWare Inc. (Brawl)
Gamer
Flat Zone 3
Greenhouse
Skyworld (Brawl)
Palutena's Temple
Reset Bomb Forest
Reaper Fortress
Boxing Ring (Brawl)
Town and City (Brawl)
Tortimer Island
Wii Fit Studio
Blossom City
Night Walk
Gaur Plain
New Los Angeles (Elma DLC)
Duck Hunt
Pilotwings
Living Room
Tomodachi Life
Find Mii
Wuhu Island
Nintendo 3DS
Nintendo Land
Moray Towers (Inkling DLC)
Balloon Fight (Brawl)
Gyromite (Brawl)
Hanenbow (Brawl)
PictoChat 2
Miiverse
Shadow Moses Island
Green Hill Zone
Casino Night Zone
Wily Castle
Pac-Maze
Pac Land
Suzaku Castle (Ryu DLC)
Midgar (Cloud DLC)
Umbra Clock Tower (Bayonetta DLC)

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smash Canyon
Polygon Zone
Bob-Omb Battlefield
Mushroom Kingdom
Princess Peach's Castle
Rainbow Cruise
Mushroom Kingdom II
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Luigi's Mansion
Mario Bros.
Mushroomy Kingdom
Mushroom Kingdom III
Delfino Plaza
Good Egg Galaxy
Figure-8 Circuit
Bowser's Castle
Golden Plains
Acorn Plains
3D Land
3D World
Gloomy Manor
Mario Circuit
Rainbow Road
Forest Course
Paper Mario
Mushrise Park
Wrecking Crew
Super Mario Maker
New Donk City Hall
Mario Party
Kongo Jungle
Kongo Falls
Jungle Japes
Donkey Kong Arcade (25m/50m/75m/100m)
Rumble Falls
Jungle Hijinxs
Gangplank Galleon
Tropical Freeze
Hyrule Castle
Temple
Great Bay
Clock Tower
Bridge of Eldin
Pirate Ship
Gerudo Valley
Spirit Train
Skyloft
Great Plateau Tower
Brinstar
Brinstar Depths
Norfair
Crateria
Frigate Orpheon
Ice Valley
Biosphere
Super Happy Tree
Yoshi's Story
Yoshi's Island
Woolly World
Crafted World
Dream Land
Green Greens
Fountain of Dreams
Halberd
The Great Cave Offensive
Dream Land Gameboy
Corneria
Venom
Lylat Cruise
Orbital Gate Assault
Katania
Sargasso
Saffron City
Pokemon Stadium
Poke Floars
Sprout Tower
Hoenn Skies
Spear Pillar
Unova Pokemon League
Kalos Pokemon League
Prism Tower
Poke Snap
Big Blue
Sand Ocean
Port Town Aero Dive
Fire Field
Onett
Saturn Valley
Fourside
Magicant
Draco Plateau
New Pork City
Icicle Mountain
Summit
Distant Planet
Garden of Hope
Distant Tundra
Akaneia
Castle Siege
Arena Ferox
Coliseum
Tower of Guidance
Garreg Mach Monastery (Byleth DLC)
Rice Beach
Emerald Cave
WarioWare Inc.
Gamer
Flat Zone X
Greenhouse
Skyworld
Palutena's Temple
Reset Bomb Forest
Reaper Fortress
Boxing Ring
Town and City
Tortimer Island
Gyromite
Wii Fit Studio
Obstacle Course
Blossom City
Night Walk
Gaur Plain
New Los Angeles
Cloud Sea of Alrest
Duck Hunt
Spring Stadium
Harmony Square (Akira DLC)
Ushimitsu High School (Ayumi DLC)
Hanenbow
PictoChat 2
Nintendo 3DS
Balloon Fight
Living Room
Find Mii
Tomodachi Life
Pilotwings
Wuhu Island
Nintendo Land
Shadow Moses Island
Green Hill Zone
Casino Night Zone
Sky Sanctuary Zone
Wily Castle
Pac-Maze
Pac Land
Suzaku Castle
Midgar
Umbra Clock Tower
Dracula's Castle
Bomb Factory
Raccoon City
N. Sanity Island
Mementos (Joker DLC)
Yggdrasil's Altar (Hero DLC)
King of Fighters Stadium (Terry DLC)
Spiral Mountain (Banjo DLC)
Minecraft World (Steve DLC)
Fairy Glade (Rayman DLC)
Mishima Dojo (Heihachi DLC)
Hollow Bastion (Sora DLC)

Andross
Barbara
Black Knight
Burrowing Snarget
Dark Samus
Devil
Dr. Wright
Excitebikes
Gray Fox
Hammer Bro.
Helirin
Infantry and Tanks
Isaac
Jeff
Jill
Kat & Ana
Knuckle Joe
Krystal
Lakitu
Lyn
Metroid
Mr. Resetti
Nintendog
Pac-Man (since he was originally considered for Brawl, but Sakurai wasn't thinking the Pac-Man we eventually got, so.....)
Ray Mk III
Saki Amamiya
Samurai Goroh
Shadow
Sherrif
Starfy
Tingle
Waluigi

Andross
Arcade Bunny
Ashley
Barbara
Black Knight
Burrowing Snarget
Chain Chomp
Chef Kawasaki
Color TV-Game 15
Dark Samus
Devil
Dillon
Dr. Kawashima
Dr. Wily
Dr. Wright
Elec Man
Excitebikes
Flies & Hand (comes with Super Mario Maker DLC stage)
Ghirahim
Ghosts
Gray Fox
Gulie (comes with Ryu DLC)
Hammer Bro.
Helirin
Infantry and Tanks
Isaac
Isabelle
Jeff
Jill
Kapp'n
Klaptrap (comes with King K. Rool DLC)
Kat & Ana
Knuckle Joe
Knuckles
Krystal
Lakitu
Lyn
Magnus
Mappy
Metroid
Moon
Mother Brain
Mr. Resetti
Nightmare
Nikki
Nintendog
Phosphora
Ray Mk III
Riki
Rodin (comes with Bayonetta DLC)
Sable Prince
Saki Amamiya
Samurai Goroh
Shadow
Sherrif
Squid Sisters (come with Inkling DLC)
Starfy
Starman
Takamaru
Thwomp
Tingle
Tiki
Vince
Waluigi

Adeleine
Akira Yuki
Alucard
Anna
Andross
Arcade Bunny
Ashley
Bald Bull
Barbara
Black Knight
Bulborb
Burrowing Snarget
Chain Chomp
Chef Kawasaki
Chibi-Robo
Chun-Li
Color TV-Game 15
Creeper (comes with Steve DLC)
Dark Lord
Devil
Dillon
Dr. Eggman
Dr. Kawashima
Dr. Neo Cortex
Dr. Wily
Dr. Wright
Eggplant Wizard
Elec Man
Excitebikes
Flies & Hand
Flick
Futaba Sakura (comes with Joker DLC)
Geese Howard (comes with Terry DLC)
Ghirahim
Ghosts
Gray Fox
Guardian
Gulie
Hammer Bro.
Helirin
Infantry and Tanks
Isaac
Jeff
Jenna Anderson (comes with Akira DLC)
Jill
Kamek
Kapp'n
Klaptrap
Kat & Ana
Knuckle Joe
Knuckles
Kracko
Krystal
Kuma (comes with Heihachi DLC)
Lakitu
Lyn
Magnus
Mappy
Metroid
Min Min
Moon
Mother Brain
Mr. Resetti
Nightmare
Nikki
Nintendog
Phosphora
Pico
Pokey
Polar Bear
Professor Oak
Ray Mk III
Riki
Rodin
Sable Prince
Saki Amamiya
Samurai Goroh
Shadow
Sherrif
Shovel Knight
Squid Sisters
Starfy
Starman
Sukapon
Tails
Takamaru
Thwomp
Tifa Lockhart
Tingle
Tiki
Urban Champion
Ventus (comes with Sora DLC)
Vince
Yuri Kozukata
Zero
Zinger
 
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ALongWistfulSquiggle

ALongWistfulSquiggle

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My wants in Smash generally concern stuff that's under the hood, or more about how the game plays than its presentation. There's some other stuff too, but a lot of my enjoyment comes from playstyles more than the characters themselves, so that's where I'm coming from.

I'd like to see a an abundance of moves that have unique functionality compared to others of their type. I like Roy and Chrom's jab, for an example, since it serves as a combo starter in a game where almost every jab is a get-off-me tool. Ganon's Up-smash in Smash 4 is another good one. It had a long start-up, but very little lag afterward, which made it especially threatening in neutral and gave you a good setup for mindgames. An extension of this idea would be to allow some multi-input moves to be cancelled again. Marth dancing blade 1 combos were the coolest thing to me, and it wouldn't upset me if each of the Marth clones had their own unique cancels to give the move more flair across the board (assuming they all returned). Basically, I want characters to feel meaningfully different to play even if they are visually similar. I want the sentiment "X character is just Y but better" to be gone.

Systematically, I'd want a game where many playstyles work well. I don't know what that would take, but I don't think we're quite there yet. It might come down to more conscious design choices about how each character can deal with different situations (projectiles, gimping, anti-airs, etc.).
It would be nice if there was a more custom version of the hazards toggle. Each stage gets to be toggled in whatever way, platforms and proper hazards are separate options, and transforming/random stages allow multiple versions of the stage when hazards are off. I'd make it so you select the stage and then a submenu asks which version you want.

And always bring back Big Blue.
Biggest thing here is a more robust stage builder. Let switches be unattached to the objects they modify. Let me put multiple objects on the same track. Give an option so flat platforms can act like normal flat platforms in terms of collision. Those three things would open up the builder so much.

Subspace 2 would be really nice, and I really want a proper return of boss mode. Probably half my time in Brawl saw spent in those two modes.
I'd like character costumes to be a more regular thing, and a color editor would be nice. If we get really extra, a custom weapon choice like Soul Calibur would be neat. For instance, Cloud would be able to equip the nail bat or Ultima Weapon.
First thing is that I'd revamp the Fire Emblem squad a bit. Corrin's gone (sorry Corrin players) and replaced with either Azura or Takumi. Lyn gets Roy's spot, and either Lucina gets a revamped moveset or a heavy armor unit (like Edelgard or the Black Knight) takes her spot. As much as I love Chrom, he doesn't really have a great spot unless he gets in as a semi-clone of Lucina, and I really want that heavy armor unit. Plus, we're talking 10-ish unique FE characters if I include everybody, and that seems like a lot. Even for one of my favorite series. I just want the roster to better represent how diverse characters are in the actual games, and this is how I'd do it.

Give Zelda a little something. Same for Kirby. Keep going with Xenoblade. And since this is my ideal smash game, a Bravely Default character.
 
Tollhouse

Tollhouse

Smash Journeyman
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Messages
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Let's see! Take everything ultimate has and add the following...

Characters:
Pokemon Gym Leader: Swaps between 3 pokemon like PT but modeled after Giovanni or Cynthia
Ring-Fit Trainer (laugh/cringe all your want!)
Zagreus from Hades
King Boo
Impa
Skull Kid
Krystal

Adjust Echo fighters
Give echos a little more diversity like chrom

Character skin DLC:
Alt colors as well as alt models such as Link's different tunics, Mario character sports clothes, etc

Stages:
All Past stages left out from 64, Melee, Brawl, and smash4 I'd also love to be able to fight at past BF and FD incarnations
Bowser's Castle (why this hasn't been made to it's own stage, I have no idea)

Online:
Obviously better functioning
Drop gsp and add a real ranking mode!

For my big-time smash nerd nostalgia:
Every character in the game gets their own unique break the targets like from melee
Bring back Trophies!

and finally...

Subspace Emissary sequel with the entire cast and with 2 hours of high-def cinematic cutscenes!
 
Linkmain-maybe

Linkmain-maybe

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Just remove spotdodge cancel, please god remove spotdodge canceling. I would also remove a lot of clones, they bloat the game roster.
 
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