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Deleted member 189823
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Personally I'd reduce the startup lag of some of his faster attacks (I'd make his F and D-Tilt faster).
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Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Get rid of some end lag on stuff like ftilt, let us combo out of fair/klaw, bring back L Canceling, super armor on smashes, a bit of an increase on grab range, have Bowser's arms be invincible during moves where he claws at people (like fair, jab, etc; and yes i know he already has this on some stuff, but I mean ALL of it :D), allow firebreath to cancel in some way so its either safe or can be followed up.
Stuff like that.
I personally like Bowsers start up speed, I think its fitting and is quite good, our problem is that outside of Klaw and sometimes Fair, its not safe to throw out anything else because we can be punished easily on whiff or block. Id like to be able to mix up our pressure options while still keeping ourselves safe if we space right.
Stuff like that.
I personally like Bowsers start up speed, I think its fitting and is quite good, our problem is that outside of Klaw and sometimes Fair, its not safe to throw out anything else because we can be punished easily on whiff or block. Id like to be able to mix up our pressure options while still keeping ourselves safe if we space right.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Yeah, I don't think Bowser's startup on a his faster attacks are really "slow", but just slightly above average.
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
Being as big as a house hasn't really done him too many favors.
Also needs a reliable anti juggle move.
Also needs a reliable anti juggle move.
Make GR>Fsmash a true combo.
and/or
Halve Dair's landing lag
and/or
Replace him with Bowser Jr so that he stops being a world class sandbag.
and/or
Halve Dair's landing lag
and/or
Replace him with Bowser Jr so that he stops being a world class sandbag.
B!squick
Smash Master
The removal of about half the cast.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
consistent high tournament results???
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Bowser should remain a big bruiser, but he needs more reliable tools to play his role more efficiently.
1. Give Bair, Crawl, Bowser Bomb, FSmash and Dair heavy or super armor of some kind. As long as the frames/damage thresholds are reasonable, this shouldn't get out of hand.
2. Make fire breath less of a commitment. Bowser needs a ranged move like this to be safer.
3. Improve the endlag of Dair and Ftilt like Z'z and Teluo mentioned earlier.
4. Increase his grab range a bit. It's a little underwhelming for his size.
5. Improve the knockback of FSmash a bit. It does MASSIVE damage as you'd expect, but the knockback is a little underwhelming for such a badass move.
Other than these things, I wouldn't really change anything else, besides problems that aren't tied to Bowser's design alone (like D3's infinite). Bowser SHOULD be a big target and he shouldn't be good at evading attacks like a ninja through rolls/spotdodges. He shouldn't be a campy projectile character either. He should be like the big dragonmanbeastturtle that he is: intimidating to approach, and downright scary when he gets close to you, kinda like Zangief, Alex, or Hugo from Street Fighter.
1. Give Bair, Crawl, Bowser Bomb, FSmash and Dair heavy or super armor of some kind. As long as the frames/damage thresholds are reasonable, this shouldn't get out of hand.
2. Make fire breath less of a commitment. Bowser needs a ranged move like this to be safer.
3. Improve the endlag of Dair and Ftilt like Z'z and Teluo mentioned earlier.
4. Increase his grab range a bit. It's a little underwhelming for his size.
5. Improve the knockback of FSmash a bit. It does MASSIVE damage as you'd expect, but the knockback is a little underwhelming for such a badass move.
Other than these things, I wouldn't really change anything else, besides problems that aren't tied to Bowser's design alone (like D3's infinite). Bowser SHOULD be a big target and he shouldn't be good at evading attacks like a ninja through rolls/spotdodges. He shouldn't be a campy projectile character either. He should be like the big dragonmanbeastturtle that he is: intimidating to approach, and downright scary when he gets close to you, kinda like Zangief, Alex, or Hugo from Street Fighter.
MrEh
Smash Hero
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
I laughed out loud.
B!squick
Smash Master
Sweet. MrEh approves of my message. :D
I guess I'm glad this Tech_Chase guy liked it, too. Is he known or something?
In all seriousness though, I think the best improvement would be the simplest: give him more power. Incease the damage and possibly the KB on EVERYTHING by 50-100%. Make it so a fresh Klaw can kill middle weights at 100% from the center of most stages. This should make even DAir a viable move and Bowser as a whole would be as scary as he should be.
I guess I'm glad this Tech_Chase guy liked it, too. Is he known or something?
In all seriousness though, I think the best improvement would be the simplest: give him more power. Incease the damage and possibly the KB on EVERYTHING by 50-100%. Make it so a fresh Klaw can kill middle weights at 100% from the center of most stages. This should make even DAir a viable move and Bowser as a whole would be as scary as he should be.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
I've always thought Bowser wasn't strong enough. Maybe I'm exaggerating- But I think he should have around Ike or Ganondorf's strength.
I wouldn't make Klaw THAT broken, but I would increase F-Tilt, F-Smash, F-Air & B-Air's strength.
I wouldn't make Klaw THAT broken, but I would increase F-Tilt, F-Smash, F-Air & B-Air's strength.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Make Bowser stronger or give him 10 jumps.