What Melee Tech Transfered?

[WoW Tarv]

Hi,

I keep asking in random twitch streams if “x technique from melee still exists in Ultimate.” So for my own benefit and organization I’ll try to keep them all in this post. Think of this as a mini database in progress. So if I’m wrong please please correct me and if I’m missing anything let me know. Maybe others would also find this useful?

• Wavedashing: No
• Wave landing: Yes
• Crouch Canceling: Yes
• L-Canceling: No but with universal 3 frame jump squat it probably doesn’t matter
• Fast-falling: Yes
• Dash dancing: Yes
• Dash cancel: Yes
• Pivoting: ?
• DI: Yes but is different in ways I don’t yet completely understand
• Fox Trotting: ?
• Jump Canceled Grab: ?
• Jab Reset: ?
• Moonwalk: ?
• Powershielding: Replaced by new parry mechanic?
• Shield dropping: No
• SHFFL: Yes but with out the L-cancel part
• Smash DI: Yes but is different in ways I don’t yet completely understand
• Chain grabbing: No??

*Note: I’ve purposefully left out character specific techniques like Wobbling

 

[Emuchu]

I'm just gonna take your quote and respond to the bullet points:

Hi,

I keep asking in random twitch streams if “x technique from melee still exists in Ultimate.” So for my own benefit and organization I’ll try to keep them all in this post. Think of this as a mini database in progress. So if I’m wrong please please correct me and if I’m missing anything let me know. Maybe others would also find this useful?

*Note: I’ve purposefully left out character specific techniques like Wobbling

• Wavedashing: No
• Wave landing: Yes
• Crouch Canceling: Yes
• L-Canceling: No but with universal 3 frame jump squat it probably doesn’t matter
  • Agreed that it probably doesn't matter, but that's more due to the universal end lag reduction than the jump-squat change.
• Fast-falling: Yes
• Dash dancing: Yes
• Dash cancel: Yes
• Pivoting: ?
  • Still here... although less useful since you can cancel runs, now.
• DI: Yes but is different in ways I don’t yet completely understand
  • It's more-or-less identical to Smash 4's version of DI / Vectoring. You hold toward the stage when launched horizontally, and away from the stage when launched vertically. Lemme link you to the Beefy Smash Doods vid: Smash Ultimate - How to Survive Longer (DI & LSI)
• Fox Trotting: ?
  • Yes. It's actually kind of a cross between fox trotting and extended dash dancing, but the instant run cancel basically means you can do whatever the heck you want.
• Jump Canceled Grab: ?
  • No. You no longer jump cancel grabs, item throws, or Usmash, you can just perform them out of a run. This is SUPER noticeable with Captain Falcon, he doesn't go anywhere with his dash grab, now. The new tech appears to be attack-cancelling, sort of like in Brawl, however it cancels momentum instead of retaining it. I've seen some cool stuff with dash attack cancelling, I'mma link you to My Smash Corner: Attack Cancel (Smash Ultimate)
• Jab Reset: ?
  • A bit different. Most similar to jab locking from Smash 4: you get two "locked" hits, then the third is treated as a normal hit. Here's the Beefy Smash Doods again: Smash Ultimate - Everything About Jab Locks
• Moonwalk: ?
  • AFAIK no.
• Powershielding: Replaced by new parry mechanic?
  • Correct, power-shielding no longer occurs during the initial shield frames. Instead, when you release shield, the first 5 frames of the 11-frame shield drop animation are the parry frames.
• Shield dropping: No
• SHFFL: Yes but with out the L-cancel part
• Smash DI: Yes but is different in ways I don’t yet completely understand
  • Basically, it's WAY weaker. 3x weaker, based on this article I'm reading on SSBWiki. Outside of Smash 4 Bayo, it's not really something people care much about, anymore.
• Chain grabbing: No??
  • Essentially gone. Upon a throw or grab release, your opponent will flash yellow for a second, signifying throw invulnerability. You can still perform multiple throws in a combo, if your character has ways of doing that, e.g. Pika Dthrow > Uair > Nair > Dthrow.

 

[WoW Tarv]

You’re amazing! Thank you so much!

 

[Luigifan18]

Wait, I thought wavedashing is technically in, it's just nowhere near as useful due to the landing lag of directional air dodges.

 

[Emuchu]

Wait, I thought wavedashing is technically in, it's just nowhere near as useful due to the landing lag of directional air dodges.

You're correct, but since people think of the non-laggy version allowing you to zip around the field effortlessly, I'd argue that it's dead "in spirit," and we should just refer to wave landing, which is the part that you can still do. It's not really a problem, though, since the run-stop mechanic makes dash-dancing so versatile.