Watching The World Burn: Zard Video Thread! [9.29.15]

LavaLatte · Dec 31, 2012

LIZARDON VIDEO DISCUSSION

Hey guys, post your Charizard videos here! This thread's main purpose will be for critiquing each other's videos, so don't be afraid to share your VoDs! I'll update this OP as more videos surface, providing links to as many tournament-offical matches as possible. Share away!

MAJOR CHANGES FROM PATCH TO PATCH
As to not invalidate the VoDs of previous patches, here's a quick rundown of the major changes each patch brought. Feel free to browse through the VoDs with these in mind.
- 3.02: NAir used to hit significantly lower [making hitting through platforms much easier] and had a lower knockback trajectory on the last backwards hitbox, making it an effective surprise gimp move. Glide attack and FTilt had disjointed forward hitboxes, making them very safe to use whenever.
- 3.5: Basically everything mentioned above was neutered. Nair is now a bit faster but hits less low and has a higher knockback trajectory on the last backwards hitbox. Glide and FTilt are now less disjointed. The most major change was an increase in glide startup lag, removing a lot of glide tech. VoDs will show much more groundplay because of this.
- 3.6: Glide was reverted back to 3.02 status, allowing many of its old mechanics to return.

Matchups Sorted by Character
{ Tourney Name [Set] | Zard Player (+Secondary) vs. Opponent }

IaB65 Losers | Oracle (+Rob) vs. Odds (Zard/Bowser)

HYPE! GO WS | Metroid (+Ike) vs. Frizz (Fox)

Grid Weekly 8.27 R4 | Kycse (+Wolf) vs. KoE (Ganon)

Grid Weekly 9.10 WS | Kycse vs. Takeshi (Ike)

Smashing Illini 9.11 WF | Oven (+Yoshi) vs. Thor (Link)
Smashing Illini 9.11 GF | Oven (+Yoshi/MK) vs. Thor (Link)

HDY WS | *Zen vs. VDV TIMI (ROB)
HDY GF | *Zen vs. VDV TIMI (ROB)

HDY WS | Yomi vs. HEIR reaper (Sheik)
HDY WF | *Zen vs. HEIR reaper (Sheik)

Blacklisted Pools | Kycse vs. Numerics (ZSS)

Playlists of Notable Players 3.5 Patch Only! Check 3.02 for more!
*Zen
Hatz!
Mask
Yomi no Kuni

Matchups Sorted by Character
{ Tourney Name [Set] | Zard Player (+Secondary) vs. Opponent }

S'AS WR2 | Zen vs. Zekflop

1FISH LF | Mask vs. Boss (Diddy Kong)

MM#11 WS | Yomi vs. Blayd (Ike)

MM#11 WF | Yomi vs. hand (Ivysaur)
MM#11 GF | Yomi vs. hand (Ivysaur)
S'AS WR1 | Zen vs. Heimdall (Ivysaur)
S'AS LSF | Zefklop vs. USF Trek (Ivysaur)

S'AS WQ | Zen vs. Poilu (Lucario)

[/URL]1FISH Bracket | Mask vs. Boss (Mario)

[/URL]1FISH | Mask (+Metaknight) vs Mana (Metaknight)

[/URL]Shots Fired Pools | Mask vs. Jiggles4life (Pika)

[/URL]HSS GF | L_Pag vs. Rubba Prime (ROB)

[/URL]Seasons Beatings LS | Hatz! vs. Mystryu (Sheik)

[/URL]S'AS | Zefklop vs. Stormyu (Sonic)

[/URL]Seasons Beatings LF | Hatz! vs. DRM | Messi (Snake)

[/URL]Seasons Beatings | Hatz vs. DylanTL (Toon Link)

[/URL]Shots Fired Pools | Mask vs. HBA Switch (Wolf)

Playlists of *Notable Players *they aiight.[/URL]
Hatz!
John Numbers
Mask
Metroid
Oracle
Zen
Matchups Sorted by Character

[/URL]Smash'Archy - Winner Bracket - Shadow (C.Falcon) vs. Zen (Charizard)
UBS 5: Mask (Charizard) vs Gravy (Falcon) - Project M 3.02 WF
Hatz! (Charizard) VS. Ace (Captain Falcon) - Winners Quarters - SSPM
4HYPE! - Project M Singles - Losers Finals - Hatz (Charizard) vs. Frizz (C. Falcon)
[EXP6] Opponent (Falcon) vs metroid (Charizard) WR1

[/URL]Smash'Archy - Grand Finals - Doraki (Charizard P2) vs. Zen (Charizard P3)

[/URL]Toasted Ravs 4 PM Losers Semis: Metroid(Charizard) vs Ripple(DDD)

[/URL]Hatz ('Zard) vs Boss (Diddy) Dayton Monthly Tournament Series Project M Grand Finals
BMNY 15 GF Pt 1 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Diddy/ZSS)
BMNY 15 GF Pt 2 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Diddy/ZSS)
BMNY 13 GF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Diddy/ZSS)

[/URL]GG3: GF - Zen (Charizard) Vs. Nono (Wario/Falco/Marth) - Project M
WDW 6/4/14 - Metroid (Charizard) vs. Kels (Fox/Falco) PM Singles Winners Finals
WDW 6/4/14 - Metroid (Charizard/Ike) vs. Kels (Fox/Falco) PM Singles Grand Finals
Mana (Falco, Fox) Vs Mask (Charizard)

[/URL]Smash'Archy - Winner Finals - Zen vs. Doraki (Fox)
RoF 3 - PM -WQF - *Zen (Charizard) vs Prinz (Link, Fox)
Keyo (Fox) VS. Hatz! (Charizard) - Winner Finals - SSPM
WDW 6/4/14 - Metroid (Charizard) vs. Kels (Fox/Falco) PM Singles Winners Finals
WDW 6/4/14 - Metroid (Charizard/Ike) vs. Kels (Fox/Falco) PM Singles Grand Finals
EXPosure 10 - Kels (Sheik/Fox) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Bracket
Play A Real Game: DMG (Fox/Marth) vs Oracle (Charizard)
Beta (Fox, Ness) Vs Mask (Charizard)
Mana (Falco, Fox) Vs Mask (Charizard)
Mana (Falco) Vs Mask (Charizard, Metaknight)

[/URL]BMNY 13 LF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. RiB|MoXiE (Mario/Ike)

[/URL]Nebulous PMW1 WQ | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. DarkBlues (Ivysaur)
Smash'Archy - WSF - Zen vs. Trekk (Ivysaur)
Oracle's Fest LF: CT | Denti (Ivy) vs. Oracle (Charizard)
Play A Real Game LFs; Oracle (Charizard) vs Denti (Ivy)
Nebulous PM 4 LQ | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. DarkBlues (Ivysaur)

[/URL]Hatz! ('zard) vs SoulPech ('puff) Dayton Monthly Tournament Series Project M Winner's Bracket

[/URL]Infinity and Beyond! 6 - Oracle (Zard/Lucas) vs LK (Kirby) - Winner's Round 2

[/URL]Nebulous PMW1 GF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Link)
RoF 3 - PM -WQF - *Zen (Charizard) vs Prinz (Link, Fox)
Lovo (Link) VS. Hatz! (Charizard) - Winners Semis - SSPM
Z5 -- Hatz! vs Fishbait (Link) -- Project M Singles Winners Final
WDW 5/28/14 - Lazarond (Link) vs. Metroid (Ike/Charizard) PM Singles Grand Finals
RoC PM Singles LF: Aero Link(Link) vs Oracle(ROB, Charizard)
Oracle's Fest LS: Problem0 (Link) vs. Oracle (Charizard)

[/URL]RoF 3 - PM - LQF - VGBC aMSa (Lucario) VS Yomi (Charizard)
RoF 3 - PM - WSF - Zen (Charizard) vs VGBC aMSa (Lucario)
RoF 3 - PM - LF - Zen (Charizard) vs VGBC aMSa (Lucario)

[/URL]BMNY 15 WF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs.Ninjalink (Lucas)
Nebulous PM 4 WQ | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Lucas)
BMNY 14 WF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (ZSS/Lucas)
EXPosure 10 - Metroid (Charizard/Ike) vs. Plasma (Lucas) PM Singles Winners Finals
FFF#6 - HyperFlame (Lucas) vs. Oracle (Charizard) Winner's Quarterfinals

[/URL]4HYPE! - Project M Singles - Losers Semis - Hatz vs. Slip-N-Slide (Luigi)
Z5 -- Hatz! vs Jeris -- Project M Singles Losers Final

[/URL]Nebulous PMW1 WS | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gallo (Mario)
Nebulous PMW1 LF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gallo (Mario)
Syrox (Mario) VS. Hatz! (Charizard) - Money Match - SSPM
BMNY 15 WS | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gallo (Mario)
Nebulous PM 4 MM | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gallo (Lucas/Mario/Falcon)
BMNY 14 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gallo (Mario)
BMNY 13 LF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. RiB|MoXiE (Mario/Ike)
WDW 6/4/14 - Scythe (Roy/Mario) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Winners Semis
EXPosure 10 - Scythe (Wolf/Mario) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Losers Finals

[/URL]GG3: WF - Zen (Charizard) Vs. EMG | Leon (Marth) - Project M
GG3: GF - Zen (Charizard) Vs. Nono (Wario/Falco/Marth) - Project M
Oracle's Fest: UTDZac (Pika Peach Marth) vs. Oracle (Charizard)
Play A Real Game: DMG (Fox/Marth) vs Oracle (Charizard)

[/URL]Detta (Meta Knight) VS. Alec (Charizard) - Winners Quarters - SSPM
Nebulous PM 4 LS | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gurukid (Metaknight)
Nebulous PM 4 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gurukid (Metaknight)
BMNY 14 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Gurukid (Metaknight)
Infinity and Beyond! 6 - Oracle (Zard) vs Infinity (MK)- Winner's Semifinals
[TR4] metroid (Ike/Charizard) vs Sinister (MK) WQ

[/URL]Nebulous PM 4 LF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Frozen (Mewtwo)
BMNY 14 LF Match 1 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Frozen (Mewtwo)
WDW 5/28/14 - Kels (Pikachu/Mewtwo) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Winners Semis

[/URL]Nebulous PMW1 LS | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Stereo KidD (Ness)
Infinity and Beyond! 6 - Oracle (Zard) vs Awestin (Ness) - Winner's Finals
Infinity and Beyond! 6 - Oracle (Zard) vs Awestin (Ness) - Grand Finals
Play A Real Game: Awestin (Ness) vs Oracle (Charizard)
Beta (Fox, Ness) Vs Mask (Charizard)

[/URL]WDW 7/30/14 - Scythe (Pikachu) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Winners Finals
WDW 5/28/14 - Kels (Pikachu/Mewtwo) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Winners Semis
Oracle's Fest: UTDZac (Pika Peach Marth) vs. Oracle (Charizard)

Oracle's Fest: UTDZac (Pika Peach Marth) vs. Oracle (Charizard)[/URL]

[/URL]Toasted Ravs 4 PM Losers Quarters: Metroid(Charizard) vs Darkatma(Pit)

[/URL]WDW 5/28/14 - KirkQ (ROB) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Bracket

[/URL]WDW 6/4/14 - Scythe (Roy/Mario) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Winners Semis
WDW 5/28/14 - Metroid (Charizard) vs. Scythe (Wolf/Roy) PM Singles Winners Finals
RoC PM Singles GF: Sethlon(Roy) vs Oracle(Lucas, Charizard)
Project M 3.0: Mask (zard) vs RingWorm (roy)

[/URL]EXPosure 10 - Kels (Sheik/Fox) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Bracket
[RM12] metroid (Charizard) vs Darkatma (Sheik) WS
[RM12] metroid (Charizard/Ike) vs Darkatma (Sheik) LF

[/URL]RoF 3 - PM - WF - *Zen(Charizard) vs Reign|Professor Pro(Snake)
SBU 2.5 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Rolex (Snake)
BEAST #4 - Yomi vs. Professor Pro (Snake) MM

[/URL]Play A Real Game: Oracle (Charizard) vs Bwett (Squirtle)

[/URL]Infinity and Beyond! 6 - Oracle vs AeroLink - Loser's Finals
Toon Link Netplay Practice (vs Zen's Charizard)
Toon Link Netplay Practice (vs *Zen's Charizard Pt. 2)

[/URL]GG3: GF - Zen (Charizard) Vs. Nono (Wario/Falco/Marth) - Project M
GG3: W½F - Zen (Charizard) Vs. Nono (Wario) - Project M
4HYPE! - Project M Singles - Grand Finals - Hatz vs. Strong Bad (Wario/Pit)
Toasted Ravs 4 PM Winners Semis: Metroid(Charizard) vs Strong Bad(Wario)

[/URL]EXPosure 10 - Scythe (Wolf/Mario) vs. Metroid (Charizard) PM Singles Losers Finals
WDW 5/28/14 - Metroid (Charizard) vs. Scythe (Wolf/Roy) PM Singles Winners Finals
[EXP6] Rat (Wolf) vs metroid (Charizard) $1MM

[/URL]RoF 3 - PM - Winner R2 - *Zen (Charizard) vs Dacacia (ZSS)
BMNY 15 GF Pt 1 | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Diddy/ZSS)
BMNY 14 WF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (ZSS/Lucas)
BMNY 13 WF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs Ninjalink (ZSS)
BMNY 13 GF | John Numbers (Charizard) vs. Ninjalink (Diddy/ZSS)
Project M 3.0: Ringworm (zss) vs Mask (zard)

Players List (Bolded means updated)
- Ace (2/23/2013)
- Calvo (3/6/2013)
- GHNeko (1/5/2013)
- Mask (1/6/2013
- metroid (3/23/2013)
- Yoshiiscool (1/24/2013)
- Zivilyn Bane (2/9/2013)

January 4th, 2013
vs Rejuker (Marth) [/URL]1-2
vs Rejuker (Ness) [/URL]1
vs Rejuker (Lucas) [/URL]1-2
January 17th, 2013
vs Ryuker (Mario/Marth) [/URL]Set 8
vs Ryuker (Marth/Wario/Sheik) [/URL]Set 9
vs Ryuker (Sheik) [/URL]Set 10
Comment by [/URL]metroid
February 23rd, 2013
vs Ryuker (Marth) [/URL]1-5

March 6th, 2013
vs Deathnote (Peach/Wolf) [/URL]1-2

January 3rd, 2013
vs Dug (Wolf) [/URL]1
Comments from [/URL]metroid

January 4th + 6th, 2013
vs RTD (ZSS) [/URL]1, 2, and 3
vs RTD (Zelda) [/URL]1
January 25th, 2013
vs Ryuker (Mario/Sheik) [/URL]Set 9
vs Ryuker (Sheik) [/URL]Set 10

December 29th, 2012 - Kirk's Round Robin
vs Arty (Ganon/Lucas) [/URL]1-3 (Lucas is game 3)
vs Norm (Bowser) [/URL]1-2
vs Kirk (Bowser) [/URL]1-2
vs Scythe (Wolf/Ganon) [/URL]1-2 (Ganon is game 2)
GF - vs Kirk (Bowser) [/URL]1-4
$1MM - vs Kirk (Bowser) [/URL]1-2
January 26th, 2013 - Kirkigo's Biweeklies
Singles
LS - vs Kels (Falco/Fox) [/URL]1-5
LF - vs Oro (ZSS) [/URL]1-4
GF1 - vs Kirk (Bowser) [/URL]1-3
GF2 - vs Kirk (Bowser) [/URL]1-4
Comment by [/URL]Yoshiiscool
Doubles[/URL]
Vro + DSF (Ike +Falco) vs Sago + metroid (Snake + Charizard)
Kirk + Scythe (Bowser + Ganon) vs metroid + Sago (Charizard + Snake)
metroid + Sago (Charizard + Snake) vs Rat + Oro (Wolf + Link)
metroid + Sago (Charizard + Snake) vs ORLY?! + Kels (Fox + Sheik/Falco/Fox)
GF 1 - [/URL]Kirk + Scythe (Bowser + Ganon) vs Sago + metroid (Marth + Charizard)
GF 2 - [/URL]Kirk + Scythe (Bowser/ZSS + Ganon) vs Sago + metroid (Marth + Charizard)
February 16th, 2013 - SCSYN5
WB2 - vs Oro (ZSS) [/URL]1 (1st match not recorded)
WB3 - vs Strong Bad (DK) [/URL]1-2
LB5 - vs Oracle (ROB) [/URL]1-2
$1MM - vs Sethlon (Sonic) [/URL]1-5
$1MM - vs Oracle (Lucas) [/URL]1-2
Comment by [/URL]Yomi
March 23rd, 2013 - SMYM14
LB3 - vs Kels (Fox/Falco) [/URL]1-3

January 24th, 2013
vs Mr. Pickle (Wario) [/URL]1
vs KOKingpin (Ganon) [/URL]1
vs KOKingpin (Snake) [/URL]1

February 9th, 2013 - Rolla Monthly VII
WF - vs Fishburne (Ness) [/URL]1-3
LF - vs King Siegfried (Marth/Peach/Falcon) [/URL]1-3
GF - vs Fishburne (Ness) [/URL]1-4
Comments by [/URL]Yomi, metroid, and Kink-Link

Combo Videos
Character Highlight Video #1 - Charizard by Gallo. v2.1
Enter the Dragon - Zard Combo Video by Yomi. v2.6
Double Jump into Heatwave - Netplay Combos by Zefklop. v3.5
Guides, Tips and Tricks
Smash 101 PM Character Lesson - Metroid (Charizard)
[PM Demo 2.1] Charizard Stuff - Metroid [v2.1]
[PM Demo 2.1] Charizard Stuff 2 - Metroid [v2.1]: Dash-canceled Jabs, Glair from the edge, and DSmash

MaxThunder · Jan 1, 2013

Here's the 2.0 - 2.1 vids from the video thread in smashmods, in case someone would like to look at them:

Stingers:

Ralis

v2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HOlZGBa_5k (vs. Pit)

Gallo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pBAvfshyjA&feature=plcp vs. Toon Link (first match... Gallo plays wolf in the second...) v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVzaCICNlg&feature=plcp on Wifi vs. Zelda (second match, from 3:32 and out...) v2.0

ItalianStallion

v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XPcNH1AtY&feature=youtu.be vs Mario

metroid1117

Nakamaru

v2.1
http://www.twitch.tv/thesmashlife/b/322715608
1 hour in we start doing singles and i play a good number of charizard.

Yomi

v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edgKZSm-PAA&feature=relmfu vs. Fox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1iIewmEVwQ vs. Ike

I'm always the white/light zard
www.twitch.tv/germansmash/b/351573385?t=390m30s (set vs Ike (WB Semifinal)
www.twitch.tv/germansmash/b/351573385?t=405m (freeplay vs Zard)
www.twitch.tv/germansmash/b/351573385?t=416m20s (WB final vs Ike/Link)
www.twitch.tv/germansmash/b/351573385?t=460m (Grand final vs Ike/RoB/Marth/Wolf)

Bubbaking

v2.1
http://www.twitch.tv/freesaltines/b/330649098
My Zard vs Eli's Peach at 1:04:36 (I won)
A bunch of matches of My Zard vs Leelue's Sonic at 1:09:20 until around 1:36:35 (I lost most, if not all :cry:

)
My Zard vs Leelue's Ganon at 1:44:29 (lost)
Doubles matches of my Zard teamed with Ben Grimm against Eli and his bro at 4:19:08 until around 4:54:12.

Bubbaking (Charizard) vs Gallo (Marth)*
Bubbaking (Charizard) vs Gallo (Pit)
Bubbaking (Charizard) vs Gallo (Pit) 2
Eli (Lucario) vs Bubbaking (Charizard)
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Ganon)
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Ganon) 2
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic)
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 2
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 3
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 4 - HYPE Zard combo at 1:20

Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 5
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 6
Leelue (Sonic) vs Bubbaking (Zard)
Leelue (Sonic) vs Bubbaking (Zard) 2

KiraFlax

jyro

v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_FqF36hztc&feature=plcp vs Ganon friendlies

v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDIg4xBM9qg&feature=plcp vs Ganon
1. experimenting with RAR -> fly -> glair and glair -> ledgecancel
2. Fly (grounded)->waveland onto platform-> ff bair (with inspiration from falco)

Nap

2.1
PM Doubles
LR1 - 1-5+tripwire (marth+jiggs) vs NAP+metroid (Charizards) <-------------------- this is the funniest moment in the entire tournament
LR2 - TGD+Alcheato (Ike+Mario) vs NAP+metroid (Charizards)

metroid1117 · Jan 1, 2013

I've updated the OP with some of my footage from a small round-robin tournament this past Saturday!

MaxThunder said:
hey would it be cool to have copy of my old thread in here?..
that would probably be dumb, though... hey should i make an archive thread mainly for having a collection of tourney matches?..

Considering that the old threads at Smashmods have been archived, would it be okay if I just included a link to the Smashmods thread instead of having it directly in the OP? I'd rather save the OP for Demo 2.5 videos.

As for tournament matches, I could try to try to differentiate between friendlies and tournament matches in this thread.

MaxThunder · Jan 1, 2013

yeah that's a good idea... i could also just put the stuff from the old thread in my post up there...
Also i think you should copy the "Combo, etc. Videos" and the "Tips and Tricks" sections over from my thread to the OP... might not be 2.5, but Gallo's vid is awezome... and the tutorial vid of yours is still aplicable and very useful...

metroid1117 · Jan 2, 2013

Thanks for the suggestion, it's been added.

Sapphire Dragon · Jan 2, 2013

It might be a good idea to keep some older videos collapsed in the OP, because although they're archiving the boards at Smashmods, they haven't completely decided yet whether or not the threads will remain open to the public.

In case you want to, here are all the old videos from MaxThunder's thread. If you don't, they'll still be here for anyone who wants to see them.

[collapse= Smashmods videos of 2.1 and older]Stingers:
(05/18/2012 10:55 AM)Stingers Wrote:
v2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NmrAfY-g3c (vs Lucas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvMhHDYZmS0 (vs Lucario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifXQ10rQREA (vs Link) <- I use the breath cancel in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svk2eUXR5m8 (vs. Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2I90HEXBEo (vs. Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka4giNmCSQQ (vs. Toon Link)
(05/21/2012 12:01 PM)Stingers Wrote:
v2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWSGhgTOiHU (vs. Falcon)
The rest are all vs. Ganon, his main.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxvgxBZ4bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8Q3P4hxYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TambJjqqO1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keyZEi-GEDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqJpeaRSS1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ-77ZUE5k0
(05/28/2012 12:19 PM)Stingers Wrote:
v2.0
Me vs. Dr PP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFDeJsaQECM (vs Mario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZovWjmLST8 (vs Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZ44K_pXlg (vs Fox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDexLREN34E (vs Fox)
(10/22/2012 12:28 PM)Stingers Wrote:
[v2.1]
http://www.twitch.tv/ecugaming/b/336292499
Me vs Juno McGrath (Wario/Ganon) 3:34:09
Me vs Dr Peepee (Marth/Falco) 3:50:01

Ralis
(06/03/2012 12:33 PM)xAesirGOD Wrote:
v2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HOlZGBa_5k (vs. Pit)

Gallo
(06/08/2012 03:14 AM)MaxThunder Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pBAvfshyjA vs. Toon Link (first match... Gallo plays wolf in the second...) v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVzaCICNlg on Wifi vs. Zelda (second match, from 3:32 and out...) v2.0
ItalianStallion
Spoiler:
(07/20/2012 10:06 AM)ItalianStallion Wrote:
v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XPcNH1AtY vs Mario

metroid1117
Singles
(07/22/2012 01:53 AM)metroid1117 Wrote:
Dev build
vs Jiang (Bowser): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWNEq48XCPI
vs Ish (Lucas): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtBFCf8Zi4c
(09/21/2012 03:49 PM)metroid1117 Wrote:
v2.1
Trail (Ganon) vs metroid (Charizard) 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h00m23s
and 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=01h08m44s
metroid (Charizard) vs Spoon (Snake) 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h04m54s
and 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h11m21s
metroid (Charizard) vs DSF (Ike) 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h15m19s
2, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h19m40s
and 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h23m24s
metroid (Charizard) vs DSF (Marth) 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h25m15s
2, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h28m56s
and 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9QCBZIX8&t=1h32m38s
(10/12/2012 09:40 AM)metroid1117 Wrote:
v2.1
3 new games against Rat's Ike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0B_yaHj8G8
(10/19/2012 05:14 PM)metroid1117 Wrote:
v2.1
metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Ganon) 1-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KngsgYL-CY0
metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Sonic) 1-4 - I get wrecked in game 1, but game 2 is slightly better and I win games 3-4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oVqBdr9gng
metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Wolf) 1-3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OddhVC0jHvQ
metroid (Charizard) vs Vro (Marth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxeoPUBzT4s
metroid (Charizard) vs Vro (Falco) 1-2 - I make a lot of sub-optimal decisions in these matches, but I still think this match-up is winnable with the proper DSmash reads and occasional powershield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vlI7tUWjHk
metroid (Charizard) vs Vro (Fox) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csYeqgEYO9A
(11/19/2012 12:36 PM)metroid1117 Wrote:
v2.1
PM Singles Pools
metroid (Charizard) vs Alcheato (Mario) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGo7wPVMAzA
metroid (Charizard) vs B.W. (Link/TL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyKxjcDkCNY
Scythe (Wolf) vs metroid (Charizard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjVuq50_69U
PM Singles Bracket
WR1 - metroid (Charizard) vs Arty (Lucas) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kb7NjrnPvU
WR2 - metroid (Charizard) vs Plasma (Sheilda) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwv-3NjI_0
WS - metroid (Charizard) vs ORLY (Bowser/Falcon) <- Game 2 is absolutely pathetic, please don't judge me based on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk4oV1PX3_c
WF - metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Sonic) <- I get 3-0'd pretty hard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pECPmdBhnY
LF - metroid (Charizard) vs MDZ (Falco) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyIWXXCkoLo
GF - metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Sonic) <- I lose 2-3, but did much better than in WF. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmaA6D8ag2k
Misc.
Friendlies - metroid (Charizard) vs Oro (Link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZ4_-0YCeE
$2 MM - metroid (Charizard) vs MDZ (Falco) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG4XkOPCDAo
(12/18/2012 01:32 AM)metroid1117 Wrote:
v2.1
Pools
SpooN (Wolf/Snake) vs metroid (Charizard) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJ9SVX5tFA
metroid (Charizard) vs Scythe (Wolf) <- The ending of the first match is so sad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgkoULjNb0
metroid (Charizard) vs LMNO (Lucario) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30qmNLQyFRM
metroid (Charzard) vs JPAL (Link) <- Cool combo at the end http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrUcKenhegM
Bracket
WR1 - metroid (Charizard) vs Bieber (Falco) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI6UP8dI1yY
WR2 - metroid (Charizard) vs MattDotZeb (Falco) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_l-Y-DDBxQ
MMs and Friendlies
$1MM - metroid (Charizard) vs Scythe (Wolf) <- this was probably my favorite combo all day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHYPuwZ3ok
$1MM - metroid (Charizard) vs Scythe (Mario) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmpRwDm97aw
$1MM - metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Wolf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77qPjG87eXg
F1-5 - metroid (Charizard) vs Rat (Wolf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b7h25eR3vQ
F1-3 - metroid (Charizard) vs Kirk (Bowser) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-xXk9IxKz0
Doubles
(11/19/2012 12:36 PM)metroid1117 Wrote:
v2.1
PM Doubles
LR1 - 1-5+tripwire (marth+jiggs) vs NAP+metroid (Charizards) <-------------------- this is the funniest moment in the entire tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHYPuwZ3ok
LR2 - TGD+Alcheato (Ike+Mario) vs NAP+metroid (Charizards) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9UYNBrmVAg

Nakamaru
(08/08/2012 02:46 PM)Nakamaru Wrote:
v2.1
http://www.twitch.tv/thesmashlife/b/322715608
1 hour in we start doing singles and i play a good number of charizard.

Yomi
(08/30/2012 08:37 AM)Yomi Wrote:
v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edgKZSm-PAA vs. Fox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1iIewmEVwQ vs. Ike

Bubbaking
(09/04/2012 03:55 AM)Bubbaking Wrote:
v2.1
http://www.twitch.tv/freesaltines/b/330649098
My Zard vs Eli's Peach at 1:04:36 (I won)
A bunch of matches of My Zard vs Leelue's Sonic at 1:09:20 until around 1:36:35 (I lost most, if not all )
My Zard vs Leelue's Ganon at 1:44:29 (lost)
Doubles matches of my Zard teamed with Ben Grimm against Eli and his bro at 4:19:08 until around 4:54:12.
(10/13/2012 12:33 PM)Bubbaking Wrote:
Bubbaking (Charizard) vs Gallo (Marth)* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp8kIaKUVIo
Bubbaking (Charizard) vs Gallo (Pit) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5of8uEGKPo
Bubbaking (Charizard) vs Gallo (Pit) 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mtRhq1zak8
Eli (Lucario) vs Bubbaking (Charizard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UsaaX5PyA
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Ganon) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC270HoFxUI&
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Ganon) 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZBk4UsYZo
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjMF9aIRzU
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmLSIU1Zqzs
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGL0FvEhFyc
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 4 - HYPE Zard combo at 1:20 :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyhTho-Mjuk
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cMXH5zgoEI
Bubbaking (Zard) vs Eli (Sonic) 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiITpobcHU
Leelue (Sonic) vs Bubbaking (Zard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv_17CH7NuA
Leelue (Sonic) vs Bubbaking (Zard) 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQwbxYaQvo

KiraFlax
(10/11/2012 07:04 AM)MaxThunder Wrote:
v2.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fdI_Jn6WuI (zard from 4:50) vs Toon Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaARENPCvc0 vs Marth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeiivHXl5iM vs Marth 1$ MM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=556QQ8NTbpE vs Ness/Ganon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwMXZQi3INY vs Peach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgU5S-wWHM vs Pit/Falco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbCfv6s_MGU vs Ganon/Ness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhW631snu3A vs Ness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSxF2A9oq7g vs Falco

jyro
(10/23/2012 05:02 PM)jyro Wrote:
v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_FqF36hztc vs Ganon friendlies
(12/13/2012 09:38 AM)jyro Wrote:
v2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDIg4xBM9qg vs Ganon
1. experimenting with RAR -> fly -> glair and glair -> ledgecancel
2. Fly (grounded)->waveland onto platform-> ff bair (with inspiration from falco)

Nap
(11/19/2012 12:36 PM)metroid1117 Wrote:
2.1
PM Doubles
LR1 - 1-5+tripwire (marth+jiggs) vs NAP+metroid (Charizards) <-------------------- this is the funniest moment in the entire tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHYPuwZ3ok
LR2 - TGD+Alcheato (Ike+Mario) vs NAP+metroid (Charizards) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9UYNBrmVAg

Combo, etc. Videos.
Charizard Highlight Video #1 by Gallo. v2.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdIDEPT2VQ

Tips and Tricks
Charizard stuff 2 by metroid1117. v2.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21GqDMShOU
-Dash-canceled Jabs (Demonstration + Application) -Glair from the edge (Demonstration only) -DSmash (Range, Hitbox Data, Kill Combos) [/collapse]

MaxThunder · Jan 3, 2013

i'm planning on putting that in the second post in the thread... i have copy of it with all the code and stuff=)... will most likely have the time later today...

Edit: and it is done...

GHNeko · Jan 3, 2013

Neko (Zard) vs Dug (Wolf)
http://youtu.be/punjE6IXOT0

Check em. :V

metroid1117 · Jan 3, 2013

Added to the OP, I'll take a look at it when I have time.

Ace55 · Jan 4, 2013

I'll upload a couple of matches I recorded yesterday.

Preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWjkBN9g2Ic

Ok, uploaded:

vs Marth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCeETTcAFIg

vs Ness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ9qgQMRAys

vs Lucas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4LMKhUnAYM

Kuraudo · Jan 4, 2013

Should have some vids tonight.

metroid1117 · Jan 5, 2013

GHNeko said:
Neko (Zard) vs Dug (Wolf)
http://youtu.be/punjE6IXOT0

Check em. :V

Glad to see you picking up Charizard, Neko. Nice job getting re-grabs off of DThrow (although to be fair, it seemed like Dug didn't understand the timing for how to tech it). Here are some general comments I had.

- Because Wolf is a fastfaller and most of Charizard's moveset (non-tipped DTilt, jab, BThrow, USmash, etc.) is geared towards launching his opponents, tech chase opportunities will come extremely often in this match-up. You can take your time with these tech chases and, if they're at an edge, cover most of their options with a well-placed DSmash. For example, at 1:16, moving a big forward and charging a DSmash probably would've covered all four of his teching options (tech-in-place, missed tech, techroll away, and techroll towards) and given you more profit than a jab. Another time DSmash would've been a good option is at 2:05, where a tech on a platform is almost always a guaranteed DSmash (Yoshi's Island's platform looks a little too big for total coverage though).
- BThrow is better than DThrow against spacies, in my opinion; you get more time to set up for the tech chase off of BThrow compared to DThrow and off the edge, BThrow -> tipped DTilt can work pretty well against fastfallers (like at 1:11).
- When edgeguarding, I think the best way is to either grab the as Wolf recovers, thus forcing him to land on the stage where you can hit him with edgehopped DAir, or to use the reverse NAir hitbox.
- Charizard's FAir is great now, so you can throw it out more often from of a short-hop or full-hop when comboing.

Good stuff, I'm glad that you're taking an interest in Demo 2.5 Charizard!

GHNeko · Jan 5, 2013

I've always taken an interest in Zard, since a while ago. While he's not someone I'll use in tourney (just yet anyways), he's still a pretty fun character.

Ace55 · Jan 5, 2013

Despite the length my vid against Lucas is actually two matches lol.

And some critique from the guy who made me take Zard seriously (Metroid) would be awesome. Critique from others is also much appreciated.

NightShadow6 · Jan 5, 2013

(Me) Charizard vs ZSS (RTD)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZPPF0PjTQ

Just a quick match vs one of my friends, I'll be having more up soon.

(If anyone would have any suggestions on what I should do that would be awesome, never liked this match up)

Kuraudo · Jan 5, 2013

After I'm done work today I'll record the replay I got from my Smashfest last night. Will edit this post with the vid.

NightShadow6 · Jan 6, 2013

All of these are Charizard vs ZSS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3XBcQx6DS8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYePEa1f5_U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzbyjaE78Y

Edit: Forgot this Zelda vs Charizard match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYePEa1f5_U

metroid1117 · Jan 6, 2013

NightShadow6 said:
All of these are Charizard vs ZSS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3XBcQx6DS8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYePEa1f5_U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzbyjaE78Y

Edit: Forgot this Zelda vs Charizard match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYePEa1f5_U

Okay, I've added those and the previous video you linked. I referred to you as Mask because that's the name that shows up in the YouTube video.

Ace55 · Jan 17, 2013

Some friendly set's of my Zard vs Marth, Mario, Wario and Sheik (all Ryuker).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYdS6r2nA7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBfKTiKm6kA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQfq09GD0ZI

Have to get used to being able to reverse glide. Did it by accident once or twice.

metroid1117 · Jan 19, 2013

Ace55 said:
Some friendly set's of my Zard vs Marth, Mario, Wario and Sheik (all Ryuker).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYdS6r2nA7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBfKTiKm6kA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQfq09GD0ZI

Have to get used to being able to reverse glide. Did it by accident once or twice.

You posted a lot of material to watch, so I only looked at your last set.

In general, you played pretty well. You did a nice job of shutting down Sheik with jabs and NAirs, but I think you could've optimized some of the punishes you made on him.

I probably use this move much more than I should, but DSmash is an amazing combo starter and tech chase option. You used it a couple of times out of DThrow, but I never really saw you use it outside of that; even when Sheik landed right next to you in the first Dreamland match, you opted to grab him instead of DSmash. DSmashing is a much better punishing option because on non-floaties (like Sheik), it true combos into Heat Wave pretty consistently at medium percents, regardless of DI (unless they land on a platform or something). The combined damage from this combo and knockback angle of Heat Wave make this option much better than just Seismic Toss. In addition to DSmash -> Heat Wave, jab -> jumping Heat Wave can also be linked at higher %s depending on DI. This option is particularly good if you dash-cancel jab under Sheik's abnormally high short-hop.

As for recovering, you never really used falling NAirs when coming back down to the ground. Falling NAirs aren't really a safe way to approach the opponent, but falling retreating NAirs are fairly safe (but still punishable) if you land on a platform with the tail sticking below it or if you land with the tail in front of Charizard. When coming back from off-stage, try to save your jumps if you know that Sheik is going to needle you; do your best to get under the stage far enough where she's forced to grab the edge, then use your jumps. In addition, you can try mixing up your gliding pattern so that instead of going directly for the edge, you dip down low, cancel the glide when you're below and close to the stage, then jump and up+B. Although this makes you more prone to needle sniping, it may serve as a useful mix-up when used on occasion.

Nice games though, it's good to see some activity in this thread for once. Please continue to post your videos!

Yomi-no-Kuni · Jan 19, 2013

yeah, ace still rocking that charizard?
btw, is there a dutch name for charizard?
I only watched the first set so far, and most of the critique i had in mind you fixed by yourself during the matches...
In general you should try using the reverse-jump option we got from brawl to get reverse aerials (nairs mostly xD) on your opponent.

Ace55 · Jan 20, 2013

Thanks guys. At this point Zard is my third character after Bowser and Wario. Still need to improve a lot with him.

@Metroid I'll work on incorporating more dsmash/falling nair. I need to practice dash-cancelled jabs. And my recovery as Zard needs a lot of work, thanks for the tips.

@Yomi We don't have dutch names for pokemon, we just use the english ones.

yoshiiscool · Jan 23, 2013

Hey guys, I got some vids recorded from a weekly smashfest we have around my area. I don't really know what other charizards do, since I've never read or watched anything from this place, but I know I should at least start d-smashing, and forward bing more, or heatwave I guess. Anyways, I made a playlist to make things easier to go through, so let me know what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2tmtrTLyRcb3Dqj6KOl2DlHEjgpOCHXI&feature=mh_lolz

Apparently we're going to start recording at all of the smashfests, so if it's a popular opinion, I'll try to get on the setup more, and with other people, and post playlists for the next weeks.

Yomi-no-Kuni · Jan 23, 2013

do you want criticism? If yes read spoiler if not don't.

Only watched 2 matches or so thus far, but i feel like you should stop juggling so much with nairs, and instead try to hit with upairs. You can easily get 2 Uairs and a followup UpB without having any risk, while you usually end up resetting the situation after your nairs.
Also, you should consider using downthrow at lower% instead of Uthrow. Save that one for kills. With uthrow you get your opponent above you, to punish them with nairs/usmashes. The worst thing that can happen from a downthrow is you eating a getup attack, and its quite easy to get in a dtilt/regrab/usmash/downsmash/tapA after it, leading into sick combos.
Really liked your backthrow use, finally i can imagine how its usefull after the 2.5 change

thanks for that!

edit: damn that smiley popping out of that spoiler. kills all the suspense
your charizard looks pretty awesome though! Will we see you get far in tournaments? i think we're still missing good charizard players, haven't really seen anyone getting far in tournaments with him?!

MaxThunder · Jan 23, 2013

^^You just told him to use up-throw instead of up-throw, lol=)...

Yomi-no-Kuni · Jan 23, 2013

****... Downthrow ofcourse... XD
my bad

lol, i also wrote juggle with 2 nairs instead of nairs.... whats wrong with me today XD

metroid1117 · Jan 23, 2013

yoshiiscool said:
Hey guys, I got some vids recorded from a weekly smashfest we have around my area. I don't really know what other charizards do, since I've never read or watched anything from this place, but I know I should at least start d-smashing, and forward bing more, or heatwave I guess. Anyways, I made a playlist to make things easier to go through, so let me know what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2tmtrTLyRcb3Dqj6KOl2DlHEjgpOCHXI&feature=mh_lolz

Apparently we're going to start recording at all of the smashfests, so if it's a popular opinion, I'll try to get on the setup more, and with other people, and post playlists for the next weeks.

You uploaded a lot of matches - would you mind selecting a couple matches that you want people to focus their commentary on?

I only watched one video (it was against KOKingpin's Snake on PSII), but I was impressed with what I saw. You're right, you should DSmash and side+B more, but you can also use more dash-canceled jabs. However, I was impressed with your use of NAir; you had a pretty cool combo on his third stock.

yoshiiscool · Jan 23, 2013

I can't really say which ones to watch, as I feel like all of them show pretty well how I like to play, and my weaknesses. What I can say though, is that my opponents are better in the matches with ganon, snake, and wario, so I'm actually being forced to play. With that said, I guess one vid vs each of them would be alright, so any of those. Also avoid the ganon match on FD, as I gimp him most of the time, and you can't see how I play really.

I guess my personal favorites are:
vs wario on dreamland
vs ganon on yoshis
and vs snake on that one sonic stage

Also, I'm not very combo oriented, I just tend to get my damage, and get out asap, because I feel like charizard is more of a hit and run, neutral game kinda character. I'm probably just playing him wrong, but I like what I do with him now. I want to add more d-air > tech chase for combo finishers, so I'm going to try implementing that after tipper n-airs at mid%s. Any other critiques and suggestions are welcome.

Oh, I didn't even know that dash canceled jabs were really a thing before, and never thought of using jab like that. I'll definitely try to implement them in, thanks. And to yomi about my choice of u-throw in most situations, it's kind of for the reason I posted above, I prefer taking things to the neutral game that I'm comfortable with, while I've had limited success with d-throw, especially vs characters that have fast/invincible wakeup options (snake/bowser upb, shines etc) after neutral teching. Thanks for the comments, they're much appreciated. I'll try to take Zard as far as I can in tourney I guess xD, at least until I'm comfortable with what they do with Yoshi. (I call Zard big yoshi)

metroid1117 · Jan 24, 2013

yoshiiscool said:
I can't really say which ones to watch, as I feel like all of them show pretty well how I like to play, and my weaknesses. What I can say though, is that my opponents are better in the matches with ganon, snake, and wario, so I'm actually being forced to play. With that said, I guess one vid vs each of them would be alright, so any of those. Also avoid the ganon match on FD, as I gimp him most of the time, and you can't see how I play really.

I guess my personal favorites are:
vs wario on dreamland
vs ganon on yoshis
and vs snake on that one sonic stage

Thanks for posting those, I've added them to the OP but I haven't watched them yet.

yoshiiscool said:
Also, I'm not very combo oriented, I just tend to get my damage, and get out asap, because I feel like charizard is more of a hit and run, neutral game kinda character. I'm probably just playing him wrong, but I like what I do with him now. I want to add more d-air > tech chase for combo finishers, so I'm going to try implementing that after tipper n-airs at mid%s. Any other critiques and suggestions are welcome.

DAir tech chases are most useful if you force them to land onto a platform, otherwise it's not that helpful because it doesn't lead to any guaranteed follow-ups. If you ever land a DAir or DSmash on a grounded opponent, side+B and glair are both good followups for horizontal KOs (side+B moreso than glair) and up+B is amazing for vertical KOs.

yoshiiscool said:
Oh, I didn't even know that dash canceled jabs were really a thing before, and never thought of using jab like that. I'll definitely try to implement them in, thanks. And to yomi about my choice of u-throw in most situations, it's kind of for the reason I posted above, I prefer taking things to the neutral game that I'm comfortable with, while I've had limited success with d-throw, especially vs characters that have fast/invincible wakeup options (snake/bowser upb, shines etc) after neutral teching. Thanks for the comments, they're much appreciated. I'll try to take Zard as far as I can in tourney I guess xD, at least until I'm comfortable with what they do with Yoshi. (I call Zard big yoshi)

I probably dash-cancel jab the most out of any Charizard. It's really good as an anti-air, combo-starter, and an approach. Charizard had the 4th-fastest dash in Demo 2.1, so when used in conjunction with DTilt and grab, it was a nice way to chase down dash-dancing opponents.

Ace55 · Jan 25, 2013

Hmm interesting. I see Zard as a combo machine who struggles with projectile spam and is combo food himself. Could be my Falcon background.

Uploading two more sets vs Mario and Sheik in a little bit.

Edit: here they are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0L0RpSXhsm8 vs Mario/Sheik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g0rP8NwzRd8 vs Sheik

Using dsmash on Sheik's recovery. Thanks for that tip Metroid. Also just missed the upB on my first combo of the second set or I would've had an awesome zero to death

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metroid1117 · Jan 28, 2013

Hey guys, sorry for not immediately updating this thread like I usually do. Here are some videos from Saturday's tournament.

Kels (Falco/Fox) vs metroid (Charizard) LS
Oro (ZSS) vs metroid (Charizard) LF
Kirk (Bowser) vs metroid (Charizard) GF 1
Kirk (Bowser) vs metroid (Charizard) GF 2

yoshiiscool · Jan 28, 2013

Great stuff man, I was actually able to catch the second set of GFs live, it was awesome to watch. Your combos are definitely on another level that I need to catch up to, though I'm definitely learning a lot fast about following up better. Even with how amazing your combos were, I feel like there's still plenty of room to increase the metagame in zard followups that I'm finally realizing. I've taken your advice to try adding dc jabs, and a ton of d-smash and heatwave to my game, and immediately felt like I had been playing with a crutch the entire time, so thanks for the tips. Though people really need to learn to DI b-throw so it doesn't feel so free >.>

Anyways I feel like you could really improve your game with better use of n-air though. Most of the instances I saw you use it in were either not spaced terribly well, or used as a short hopped approach, which isn't all that great. N-air is fantastic as a defensive tool, and I almost always purposefully will face away from my opponent, using tippered n-airs to pressure just before I land, as their unpunishable that way, and with the insane start-up and hitbox, you catch a lot of people off guard trying to come at you, it also puts you in a great position for approaching with grab/jab/dash dance baiting if shielded. Though I do realize our styles are completely different, and that might not be something you want to focus on too much, as setting up the rather specific positioning is kinda difficult in and of itself.

I feel like a bit more patience would help you out as well, you seem to rely a bit too much on reads for your d-smash tech-chases, and as noted before, got punished a bunch for some approaches that didn't seem to be planned out terribly well, from over agression (you have much more success staying grounded in your approach game). The missed d-smashes weren't too bad as they go mostly unpunished (the move is kinda stupid with how good it is), but when I watch the in-your-face style you have, I feel like letting people go free is something that should be avoided, and maybe easier reactable jab/u-smash/grab chases might be more beneficial occasionally, or react to wake up to d-air on platforms instead of automatically wavelanding to d-smash in those situations.

I really do like your charizard though, you're easily the best around, and you've definitely convinced me to continue him seriously, so I'll be stealing a lot from you. I look forward to more vids, and fully expect you to not leave winners next tourney. : P I also hope I don't offend you with critiqueing, as some people are a little touchy on that.

metroid1117 · Jan 29, 2013

yoshiiscool said:
Great stuff man, I was actually able to catch the second set of GFs live, it was awesome to watch. Your combos are definitely on another level that I need to catch up to, though I'm definitely learning a lot fast about following up better. Even with how amazing your combos were, I feel like there's still plenty of room to increase the metagame in zard followups that I'm finally realizing. I've taken your advice to try adding dc jabs, and a ton of d-smash and heatwave to my game, and immediately felt like I had been playing with a crutch the entire time, so thanks for the tips. Though people really need to learn to DI b-throw so it doesn't feel so free >.>

Anyways I feel like you could really improve your game with better use of n-air though. Most of the instances I saw you use it in were either not spaced terribly well, or used as a short hopped approach, which isn't all that great. N-air is fantastic as a defensive tool, and I almost always purposefully will face away from my opponent, using tippered n-airs to pressure just before I land, as their unpunishable that way, and with the insane start-up and hitbox, you catch a lot of people off guard trying to come at you, it also puts you in a great position for approaching with grab/jab/dash dance baiting if shielded. Though I do realize our styles are completely different, and that might not be something you want to focus on too much, as setting up the rather specific positioning is kinda difficult in and of itself.

I feel like a bit more patience would help you out as well, you seem to rely a bit too much on reads for your d-smash tech-chases, and as noted before, got punished a bunch for some approaches that didn't seem to be planned out terribly well, from over agression (you have much more success staying grounded in your approach game). The missed d-smashes weren't too bad as they go mostly unpunished (the move is kinda stupid with how good it is), but when I watch the in-your-face style you have, I feel like letting people go free is something that should be avoided, and maybe easier reactable jab/u-smash/grab chases might be more beneficial occasionally, or react to wake up to d-air on platforms instead of automatically wavelanding to d-smash in those situations.

I really do like your charizard though, you're easily the best around, and you've definitely convinced me to continue him seriously, so I'll be stealing a lot from you. I look forward to more vids, and fully expect you to not leave winners next tourney. : P I also hope I don't offend you with critiqueing, as some people are a little touchy on that.

No worries man, thanks a lot for the feedback! Yeah, I tend to use short-hopped NAir too much... I used to throw it out way more and get CC'd for it lol. It's a continuing habit that I need to cut down on. I'm also pretty bad at covering techs with DSmash, I realize that I never feint where I'm going to go, so my opponents just wait for me to run somewhere and then roll the other way; I have to mix it up a lot more. I'm glad these videos gave you some ideas, feel free to steal stuff so we can get people to stop overlooking Charizard

. Again, thanks a lot for the feedback!

Yomi-no-Kuni · Jan 29, 2013

awesome vids metroid, really impressed with your win over kels... Dat Downtilt gimp!

Toby. · Jan 29, 2013

You're so fun to watch metroid c:

G13_Flux · Jan 29, 2013

who do u favor in 2.5 more metroid, ike or charizard? ive seen a lot more gameplay of u in 2.5 with zard, at least thats all that IVE seen. i feel charizard in 2.5 was given just the right amount of tweaks to make him equally as competitive as ike. hes not my main, but i play him a lot, and ive felt much more at home with him than 2.1 zard.

metroid1117 · Jan 29, 2013

Thanks for the positive comments, guys

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Yomi-no-Kuni said:
awesome vids metroid, really impressed with your win over kels... Dat Downtilt gimp!

Kels didn't know how to DI the BThrow at all... I think with more match-up experience, he'll start beating me as usual lol.

G13_Flux said:
who do u favor in 2.5 more metroid, ike or charizard? ive seen a lot more gameplay of u in 2.5 with zard, at least thats all that IVE seen. i feel charizard in 2.5 was given just the right amount of tweaks to make him equally as competitive as ike. hes not my main, but i play him a lot, and ive felt much more at home with him than 2.1 zard.

At the moment, I find both characters very fun to play, but I've put so much more time into Charizard as of late that I use only him in tournaments. My Ike doesn't do as well as my Charizard, probably because (1) he's a little rusty and (2) IL has a lot of match-up experience against him now, unlike when Demo 2.0 just came out.

Personally, I think Charizard is in a great spot in terms of viability right now, but his Glide and Flamethrower may need some addressing in the future. I'm not going to dwell on that too much though, I'm just going to focus on developing what he currently has.

G13_Flux · Jan 29, 2013

interesting. his glide definitely has a lot more use and mobility now however than it did in 2.1. i love the glide attack too. i have definitely noticed that flamethrower has much more situational usage, especially when compared to bowser, who can make good use of flame cancels and a wider spread.

metroid1117 · Jan 30, 2013

By the way, here are all (but two, still missing WS and LQ) of the tournament matches that my Charizard played in:

Pools
Rat (Wolf) vs metroid (Charizard)
metroid (Charizard) vs Oro (ZSS)
Dan (Falco) vs metroid (Charizard)

Bracket
WR2 - metroid (Charizard) vs DSF (Falco)
LS - Kels (Falco/Fox) vs metroid (Charizard)
LF - Oro (ZSS) vs metroid (Charizard)
GF 1 - Kirk (Bowser) vs metroid (Charizard)
GF 2 - Kirk (Bowser) vs metroid (Charizard)

Oro?! · Jan 30, 2013

WS is partly there but game 1 and the end of game 3 are gone : (

I have a link of it in the ZSS video thread. Mind if I use your link for our pools set?

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