Watching plants grow - Ivysaur video thread

TreK

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PSA
I know it's kinda ironic that I'm making that kind of announcement on the thread meant to replace the old, never updated one, but :

In case that wasn't clear already, I am not keeping this thread updated anymore. I haven't since 3.5 and won't in the future. I have quit PM and don't intend to come back.

@ Verduyn Verduyn is a baws and is making a Youtube playlist of every 3.6+ Ivysaur VOD he can find. Go watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRktAmSXFC8u-QQt77P-RIc-g2c1tBuw1
Edit : Verd is even more of a baws and has re-made this thread.
Go there instead : http://smashboards.com/threads/the-3-6-ivysaur-video-thread.416266/

You can still use this thread to ask for critique and other things (although the old, but already stickied other thread might be a better idea), but do not expect your matches to be remembered for more than a few weeks if you don't show them to Verduyn. Thanks.

If you want to use what I've done in this thread in terms of formatting, go ahead. Just press the quote button, remove the quote tags and this PSA, and you're done.

-TreK

/PSA

The old thread did not get updated in years. Let's switch it up and use the occasion to make a much better version. If a mod happens to stumble upon this, please sticky this instead.

This thread's use is to act as an exhaustive library of everything Ivysaur in Project M from version 3.5 onward. You can use it to post videos of your Ivysaur and ask other players to watch it so that they can tell you what you should be working on next, or watch the best videos of this character so that you can steal some tricks and get better.

This thread's organization is designed so that you can easily find what you need. First, we'll have a list of VODs per matchup. Then, a list of VODs per player.

I'll be using a couple icons to help you find cool matches even more quickly :
this set is commentated
this is a tournament match
this is a money match
this match has some interesting discussion behind it. Click the bubbles for a link to that discussion.
this match is TreK-approved. You absolutely HAVE to watch it, it's one freaking good match.
WF/LF/GF/GF1/GF2 : this match is winners finals/losers finals/grand finals/grand finals set 1/grand finals set 2

Within each section, VODs are sorted chronologically : the newest ones are at the top, the oldest ones are in the bottom.

If I ever stop playing this character or Project M, feel more than free to ask me to give you the full code for this post so you can re-post it and start updating it yourself. You can contact me on Skype (trekiros) or Facebook (fb dot com slash trekiros) easily.

Without further ado :


:bowser2: USELESS AFTER 100%:bowser2:
Papa vs Master WGS (Marth, Bowser)
WF
Papa vs Master WGS (Bowser)

:falcon: SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE SHEIK :falcon:
Bobo vs Morks (C.Falcon)

Bobo vs What! (C.Falcon)

JZ vs Lordy (Ike/CF)

Papa vs Fizzle (C.Falcon)

TreK vs Chen (C.Falcon)
TreK vs Shadow(CF, ZSS)

:charizard: SUPER EFFECTIVE :charizard:
TreK vs *Zen (Charizard)

TreK vs Zefklop (Charizard)

TreK vs Zefklop (Charizard)

TreK vs Zefklop (Charizard)

hand vs Yomi (Charizard)
GF
:dedede: LOL GET REKT RIPPLE :dedede:
Steel Kangaroo vs Ripple (Dedede)

:diddy: TREK KNOW MORE ITEM ATs THAN THEM :diddy:
Steel Kangaroo vs Reyn Time (Diddy, Sonic)

:dk2: EXPAND DONG :dk2:
:falco: ***HOLE N°1 :falco:
Boink vs TSG (Falco)

JZ vs Westballz (Falco)

:fox: ***HOLE N°2 :fox:
Em vs Wonder (Fox)

Machiavelli vs Far (Fox)

Machiavelli vs Westballz (Fox)

TreK vs Chen (Wolf, Fox)

JZ vs Lain (Marth, Fox)
WF
JZ vs Lain (Fox)
GF
:ganondorf: WHY DON'T YOU USE YOUR SWORD :ganondorf:
TreK vs Rikkel (Ganondorf)

:popo: FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY :popo:
Papa vs Fumbles (Ice Climbers, Metaknight)

:ike: FRAME 2 DASH ATTACK :ike:
TreK vs Smash_Falco3 (Ike)

JZ vs Lordy (Ike/CF)

Papa vs Suyon (Marth, Ike)
GF
TreK vs Smash_Falco3 (Ike)

Em vs SparkingZero (Ike)

TreK vs S_F3 (Ike)

:ivysaur: BAIR :ivysaur:
:jigglypuff: BAIR :jigglypuff:
JZ vs Soulpech (Jigglypuff)

Machiavelli vs Hungrybox (Jigglypuff)

:kirby2: BAIR :kirby2:
JZ vs Tetraflora (Kirby)

Steel Kangaroo vs Girthquake (Kirby)

Papa vs Livewirewarrior (Kirby)

:link2: ZELDA :link2:
Steel Kangaroo vs Sol (Link)

Bobo vs Correct (Link, Luigi)

Papa vs Village Mascot (Link)

:lucario: WHEN'S MAHVEL ? :lucario:
Machiavelli vs iPunchKidsz (Lucario)

TreK vs Poilu (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs iPunchkidsz (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs Stauffy (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs iPunchkidsz (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs iPunchkidsz (Lucario)

:lucas: SPOILERS :lucas:
Em vs Ruin (Lucas)

Machiavelli vs HF Neon (Lucas)

:luigi2: GREEN MARIO :luigi2:
Papa vs XYK (Luigi)
LF
JZ vs LMT (Luigi)

Bobo vs Correct (Link, Luigi)

:mario2: HAS BEEN LIVING IN THE FRIENDZONE SINCE 1981:mario2:
TreK vs Shub (Mario)

:marth: ***HOLE N°3 :marth:
Papa vs Suyon (Marth, Ike)
GF
Papa vs Master WGS (Marth, Bowser)
WF
TreK vs Charby (Marth)

Sothe vs Skyzim (Marth, Samus)

Sothe vs JAZZ (Marth, Sheik)

Sothe vs Blank (Marth)
GF
TreK vs Leon (Snake, Marth)

JZ vs Lain (Marth, Fox)
WF
TreK vs Charby (Marth)
WF
Swann vs Frolk (Marth)

TreK vs Charby (Marth)

Swann vs Frolk (Marth)
Swann vs Frolk (Marth)
:metaknight: WISHES HE WAS IN BWARL :metaknight:
JZ vs Infinity (MK, Sheik)

Papa vs Fumbles (Ice Climbers, Metaknight)

:mewtwopm: CHARIZARD WANNABE :mewtwopm:
:gw: AUTOCOMBOS :gw:
TreK vs pr0GG (Mr.GnW)

Steel Kangaroo vs Bees! (G&W)

:ness2: WISHES HE WAS IN SMASH 4 :ness2:
Steel Kangaroo vs Reyn Time (Ness)

The Derrit vs The NZA (The Ness)

the Derrit vs Colors (Ness)

:olimar: FREE MONEY :olimar:
:peach: THE CAKE IS A LIE :peach:
:pikachu2: AXE :pikachu2:
Papa vs Senanagans (Pikachu)

JZ vs Anther (Pikachu)

:pit: RIP ZERO :pit:
:pt: 404 :pt:
:rob: NOBODY LOVES YOU :rob:
Papa vs 1UP (ROB)
LF
:roypm: OUR BOY :roypm:
Em vs Strong Bad (Roy)

:samus2: DREAMLAND :samus2:
Papa vs Prince Abu (Samus)

Sothe vs Skyzim (Marth, Samus)

:sheik: SOCIALLY UNACCEPTABLE FALCON :sheik:
Machiavelli vs Bloodbank (Sheik)

JZ vs Infinity (MK, Sheik)

Em vs KevinWow (Sheik)

Sothe vs Zeal (Sheik)

Sothe vs JAZZ (Marth, Sheik)

JZ vs Beach (Sheik)

:snake: DIE HARD :snake:
TreK vs Prof Pro (Snake)

TreK vs Leon (Snake, Marth)

TreK vs Leon (Snake)

TreK vs Leon (Snake)
LF
:sonic: HEY, WE SHOULD DO THIS AGAIN SOMETIME :sonic:
TreK vs Satanpuuuu (Sonic)

TreK vs Satanpuuuu (Sonic)

Steel Kangaroo vs Reyn Time (Diddy, Sonic)

JZ vs ZTD|Solharath (Sanic)

:squirtle: **** YOU @ Cloudburst Cloudburst :squirtle:
JZ vs Dirtboi (Squirtle)

:toonlink: NERF LUNCHABLES :toonlink:
:wario: 10 HOURS OF PAPA VS CARLS :warioc:
Steel Kangaroo vs Twisty (Wario)

Papa vs Carls (Wario)

Papa vs Carls (Wario)
GF1
Papa vs Carls (Wario)
GF2
Papa vs Carls (Wario)

Steel Kangaroo vs Twisty (Wario)

:wolf: JUST WAIT UNTIL HE SDs :wolf:
TreK vs Chen (Wolf, Fox)

TreK vs Chen(Wolf)

TreK vs Chen (Wolf)

:yoshi2: NOT AMSA :yoshi2:
:zelda: TOO BAD IT'S NOT TURBO MODE :zelda:
Steel Kangaroo vs Riot (Zelda)

:zerosuitsamus: EVERY 12 YEARS OLD'S DREAM GIRL :zerosuitsamus:
Steel Kangaroo vs Numerics (ZSS)

Em vs Shokio (ZSS)

TreK vs Shadow(CF, ZSS)

The Derrit vs The NZA (The Ness)

the Derrit vs Colors (Ness)


Em vs Wonder (Fox)

Em vs Ruin (Lucas)

Em vs Strong Bad (Roy)

Em vs KevinWow (Sheik)

Em vs SparkingZero (Ike)

Em vs Shokio (ZSS)


Machiavelli vs Bloodbank (Sheik)

Machiavelli vs HF Neon (Lucas)

Machiavelli vs Far (Fox)

Machiavelli vs Hungrybox (Jigglypuff)

Machiavelli vs Westballz (Fox)

Machiavelli vs iPunchKidsz (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs iPunchkidsz (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs Stauffy (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs iPunchkidsz (Lucario)

Machiavelli vs iPunchkidsz (Lucario)


Papa vs Fizzle (C.Falcon)

Papa vs Livewirewarrior (Kirby)

Papa vs Carls (Wario)

Papa vs Master WGS (Marth, Bowser)
WF
Papa vs Carls (Wario)
GF1
Papa vs Carls (Wario)
GF2
Papa vs Senanagans (Pikachu)

Papa vs 1UP (ROB)
LF
Papa vs Suyon (Marth, Ike)
GF
Papa vs XYK (Luigi)
LF
Papa vs Prince Abu (Samus)

Papa vs Master WGS (Bowser)

Papa vs Carls (Wario)

Papa vs Village Mascot (Link)

Papa vs Fumbles (Ice Climbers, Metaknight)


Steel Kangaroo vs Sol (Link)

Steel Kangaroo vs Twisty (Wario)

Steel Kangaroo vs Girthquake (Kirby)

Steel Kangaroo vs Reyn Time (Ness)

Steel Kangaroo vs Bees! (G&W)

Steel Kangaroo vs Ripple (Dedede)

Steel Kangaroo vs Numerics (ZSS)

Steel Kangaroo vs Reyn Time (Diddy, Sonic)

Steel Kangaroo vs Twisty (Wario)

Steel Kangaroo vs Riot (Zelda)


Boink vs TSG (Falco)


JZ vs Soulpech (Jigglypuff)

JZ vs Tetraflora (Kirby)

JZ vs Dirtboi (Squirtle)

JZ vs Lordy (Ike/CF)

JZ vs Infinity (MK, Sheik)

JZ vs Westballz (Falco)

JZ vs Anther (Pikachu)

JZ vs Beach (Sheik)

JZ vs ZTD|Solharath (Sanic)

JZ vs LMT (Luigi)

JZ vs Lain (Marth, Fox)
WF
JZ vs Lain (Fox)
GF

Sothe vs Skyzim (Marth, Samus)

Sothe vs Zeal (Sheik)

Sothe vs JAZZ (Marth, Sheik)

Sothe vs Blank (Marth)
GF

Bobo vs Morks (C.Falcon)

Bobo vs What! (C.Falcon)

Bobo vs Correct (Link, Luigi)


TreK vs Prof Pro (Snake)

TreK vs Smash_Falco3 (Ike)

TreK vs Satanpuuuu (Sonic)

TreK vs pr0GG (Mr.GnW)

TreK vs *Zen (Charizard)

TreK vs Rikkel (Ganondorf)

TreK vs Charby (Marth)

TreK vs Chen (Wolf, Fox)

TreK vs Smash_Falco3 (Ike)

TreK vs Poilu (Lucario)

TreK vs Zekflop (Charizard)

TreK vs S_F3 (Ike)

TreK vs Zefklop (Charizard)

TreK vs Satanpuuuu (Sonic)

TreK vs Zefklop (Charizard)

TreK vs Leon (Snake, Marth)

TreK vs Chen (C.Falcon)
TreK vs Leon (Snake)

TreK vs Charby (Marth)
WF
TreK vs Leon (Snake)
LF
TreK vs Shub (Mario)

TreK vs Charby (Marth)

TreK vs Chen(Wolf)

TreK vs Chen (Wolf)

TreK vs Shadow(CF, ZSS)


hand vs Yomi (Charizard)
GF

Swann vs Frolk (Marth)

Swann vs Frolk (Marth)
Swann vs Frolk (Marth)

Please let me know if I missed anything.
 
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-Sothe

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#3
Dammit, I need to be recorded more. I'm not keeping up in the content at all, and I still need to show things. :(

If only the venues in Iowa had functional internet.
 
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TreK

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#9
Hmm, in theory you should still be able to ctrl+F your desired matchup

I could give it a quick makeover if there's demand, no problems though
 

TreK

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Nice, I'm adding that and watching it soon

This was also just released now :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIUFVxDbqkk JZ vs Tetraflora (Kirby)

My notes about it :
-JZ goes very often for the top hitbox of fair. Kirby's an aerial heavy opponent, so it's one of those matchups where we suffer from the lack of antiair. I guess that's his solution, lol
-At kill%, if the opponent is on a platform (standing there or in a tech chase situation), he goes for platform-level razor leaf into grounded upB. That's better than what I usually go for, which is short hop razor leaf into whatever because they can't drop from the platform. Mine's better at low% imo but his is better at kill%, each has their uses. I'm gonna try to start doing it as well.
-Kirby's floaty, and can recover super high. This means that landing a killmove is a legit struggle against him. The only way it seems we can reliably kill him is by CCing an aerial at low% into a dsmash, so yeah you can kinda expect to land a few revenge KOs before the Kirby catches on and adapts. Gotta be careful about that though, he's got some good tools against CC (a very high reward grab, and non-CCable moves such as dash attack). Dtilt into sweetspot uair doesn't even seem to be guaranteed, idk it's very weird. He landed one pretty convincingly early in the set but at 12:13 he gets combo broken by an upair at low%.
-Kirby is extremely well equipped to edgeguard Ivysaur, with long lasting hitboxes on bair, nair and dair, and his double jumps to maneuver around the hitboxes we throw at him. Managing to get around it seems to be vital for this matchup and JZ's doing a good job at it with long tethers and smart double jumps, so take notes peeps :V

Looks like a pretty tough matchup. Not as bad as 3.02 imo but back then I was the only one claiming i was Ivy's worst matchup lol

top of reddit lol
 
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#12
Wow Trek you found that video immediately. I had just uploaded it. <3 Solharath gave me the harddrive with all of our recent footage on it, so expect to see quite a bit more of JZ's videos now. SPAU4 still has his set vs. SoulPech's Jigglypuff in queue to upload, then I also have a couple Equinox videos all set to upload as well as a few more to cut and render properly (JZ's bound to be there somewhere) as well as our last Battlefront weekly's recordings which I haven't peeked into yet. Keep camping the zerotodeath channel ;)
 
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TreK

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#16
You should ! It's pretty damn active and a good place to be if you want to get good at this Ivysaur thing and/or complain about Luigi.
Add me (trekiros), I'll get you in :V

Adding your videos in a bit !
 

it's Papa

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#24
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Be3C_lnBMew

Hey this is one of my recent tourney matches I didn't do to well in the tourney, but my girl ivysaur led me through this game. Any input would be nice.
Hey Code Red! Hope the games we played at Shuffle and the advice I gave you helped you out. I'll take a closer look at this vid a little later and give you some notes.
 

Servine1212

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Hey Code Red! Hope the games we played at Shuffle and the advice I gave you helped you out. I'll take a closer look at this vid a little later and give you some notes.
Yayyyyyy thanks papa... Also can u add me to the ivysaur Skype group chat? I believe I already tried to add you as a friend.
 

it's Papa

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#35
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-r1Y6QITZE

Me vs ant (lucas) at my local. feel free to critique
You're going for a lot of unsafe grabs. Also, against PK-freeze-happy Lucas, short hop approaching nair is a great option. It cuts through pk freeze and if you land the nair you can get an uptilt, which you can convert into just about anything you want.

Also noticed you did tournament winner > dair to get off the ledge a bunch, but you didn't really get much mileage out of it. You should work in some other get back options like ledgedrop > double jump razorleaf > regrab, or ledgedash > jab-grab/ftilt/shield.

You looked like a different player entirely after game 1, so good adaptation.
 
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quaffmasterj

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You're going for a lot of unsafe grabs. Also, against PK-freeze-happy Lucas, short hop approaching nair is a great option. It cuts through pk freeze and if you land the nair you can get an uptilt, which you can convert into just about anything you want.

Also noticed you did tournament winner > dair to get off the ledge a bunch, but you didn't really get much mileage out of it. You should work in some other get back options like ledgedrop > double jump razorleaf > regrab, or ledgedash > jab-grab/ftilt/shield.

You looked like a different player entirely after game 1, so good adaptation.
Thanks for the advice definitely will take that into consideration, and yeah i just needed to calm down and stop going for unsafe pressure which i realized a bit after game one saving me the set
 

TreK

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#39
I know it's kinda ironic that I'm making that kind of announcement on the thread meant to replace the old, never updated one, but :

In case that wasn't clear already, I am not keeping this thread updated anymore. I haven't since 3.5 and won't in the future. I have quit PM and don't intend to come back.

@ Verduyn Verduyn is a baws and is making a Youtube playlist of every 3.6+ Ivysaur VOD he can find. Go watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRktAmSXFC8u-QQt77P-RIc-g2c1tBuw1

You can still use this thread to ask for critique and other things (although the old, but already stickied other thread might be a better idea), but do not expect your matches to be remembered for more than a few weeks if you don't show them to Verduyn. Thanks.

If you want to use what I've done in this thread in terms of formatting, go ahead. Just press the quote button, remove the quote tags and this PSA, and you're done.

-TreK
 
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