Wario's Week 10 Matchup: Ice Climbers

[Padô]

I know this has been a Commander Blitzkrieg job. BUT, we are a little late compared to other boards in terms of "Match-Ups" since they are already rediscussing all of em and we, fat, ripped and lazy Warios are disccusing the first ones.

As Commander said, enjoy your Summer vacation, we Warios did it and now back to work

ICE CLIMBERS

(Put this in "magenta" coz I think Infinites are really gay)

This matchup is REALLY stage dependant like the DDD matchup.

Platforms are VERY friendly here Warios should use'em VERY wisely, SH options are dangerous because of their grabs so does laggy aerials and grounded options.

FSmash, Bite and Grabs won't be so useful as they are on other matchups so be aware of using it too much.

Dair is awesome in this matchup if autocanceled correctly and landed on ICs back avoiding sucky Infinites.

Just hunt Nana down, and this will be a peice of cake. Dair shield pokes Nana most of the time, if it does gimp her.

DISCUSS.

 

[Padô]

Good news.
i'm starting to request some help on the IC forums.

Good discussion.

 

[PhantomX]

Where did you ask? Hylian and I had a long discussion about their matchup on the ICs boards not that long ago.

 

[Quik17]

FSmash, Bite and Grabs won't be so useful as they are on other matchups so be aware of using it too much.

Actually, Bite can come in handy in this matchup quite a bit. When your used up both your jumps and your falling to the ground with the ICs chasing you for a grab, pretty much your only option is to bite one of them. You'll probably take a smash to the face but it's much better than them getting a grab off on you.

Also, never waste your fart because it's pretty much a free kill on Nana most of the time.

I also find b-air to be pretty useful in this matchup when the ICs are offstage to edge guard them.

Edit: Forgot something. I think this is pretty much common knowledge when facing the ICs, but I'll post it anyways in case someone doesn't know cause it is pretty useful. When the ICs are split up and on opposite sides of the stage, Nana will always run straight to Popo without jumping blocking or anything just run straight to Popo. This can lead into a fully charged F-smash or an extremely easy fart opportunity if you have one.

 

[Padô]

PX I'll just ask on the Q&A

If you want to quote some of your conversation it will be very nice, but I think its better for our board to have the conversation here for further questions.

Actually, Bite can come in handy in this matchup quite a bit. When your used up both your jumps and your falling to the ground with the ICs chasing you for a grab, pretty much your only option is to bite one of them. You'll probably take a smash to the face but it's much better than them getting a grab off on you.

Also, never waste your fart because it's pretty much a free kill on Nana most of the time.

I also find b-air to be pretty useful in this matchup when the ICs are offstage to edge guard them.

Edit: Forgot something. I think this is pretty much common knowledge when facing the ICs, but I'll post it anyways in case someone doesn't know cause it is pretty useful. When the ICs are split up and on opposite sides of the stage, Nana will always run straight to Popo without jumping blocking or anything just run straight to Popo. This can lead into a fully charged F-smash or an extremely easy fart opportunity if you have one.

Wow quik... The bite part was REALLY smart never thought of that before.

Bair is an EXCELLENT option in all matches IMO

 

[PhantomX]

Bair isn't that hot against these guys when they're grounded, they have a really good vertical grab range for their height and can grab you out of it. It's awesome if they're airborne, though, and beats out Side B which is awesome.

To add more to the bite thing, if I'm close range and I grab I try to pummel so that the other one gets pushed back, and then I bthrow/uthrow. Or I'll do a fthrow to get smashed instead of eating a grab.

 

[Padô]

Bair isn't that hot against these guys when they're grounded, they have a really good vertical grab range for their height and can grab you out of it. It's awesome if they're airborne, though, and beats out Side B which is awesome.

To add more to the bite thing, if I'm close range and I grab I try to pummel so that the other one gets pushed back, and then I bthrow/uthrow. Or I'll do a fthrow to get smashed instead of eating a grab.

Both option are good, it'd be awesome if we vary during the game

 

[hunger!]

dthrow separates them. forget about popo after the dthrow. it's a free like...triple nair on nana to simple edge guard.

 

[PhantomX]

They can hit you out of dthrow with like anything that's properly spaced though, and then nana is right next to you and you get grab *****. If you grab them, bthrow and uthrow are really the only SAFE options. Fthrow takes too long, and dthrow does as well, plus if it gets interrupted, it's gg stock.

 

[Padô]

dthrow separates them. forget about popo after the dthrow. it's a free like...triple nair on nana to simple edge guard.

I really think that Uthrow will be much more effective here, because it separate them AND if its nana you can easily juggle itwith Uair because nana on brawl is really STUPID, If you UThrow popo you can fsmash nana or grab her...

By the way Dthrowing is really risky since it leaves your oponnent on the ground which is IC's BFF (BEST FRIEND FOREVER, oh how cute!11!)

So guys any numbers yet?

 

[Gichan]

I'd say it is 50-50 for us, if not in our favour. We **** ICs in many ways. When they desync we can easily smoke them with a full hop fast fall dair. We're annoying, cause we can stay in the air. And although we can't separate them that easily, when we do, they get destroyed. We also have the waft to kil nana pretty **** early.

This is my opinion, 50-50 or 60-40 for us. I'm not one to throw numbers in our favour all the time, but it just seems that in this matchup, it really is in our favour due to our resources to destroy them. I have maannyy ICs in my region (Eastern Canada, we have like 5-6 ICs players including Ambrose) and I have an easier time with all of them compared to most.

 

[PhantomX]

On many occasions has Hylian uttered the words "I hate this matchup." Just the other day he also was like "it's so gay, you just need to hit me and I die :D Nana sucks ^_^

 

[Quik17]

Nana in this game is actually smart compared to what she was in Melee lol

 

[Padô]

According to what Hylian said maybe 60-40 or 55-45? 65-35 depending on stage?

 

[YagamiDark]

id get the lead and run away. lol xD

 

[Padô]

id Get The Lead And Run Away. Lol Xd

Thats What We Do!

Eat, Drink Then Run Away

 

[r3d d09]

I'd say watch out for desynced stuff. blizz wall, some ledge techniques and stuff.
kill nana asap, but be cautious. one grab=down 1 stock. and with grab release, we have two hands grabbing

 

[Padô]

Thanks dawg.

Your info pleases us.

 

[slikvik]

Funny how canada has a lot of ICs. Cold *** region lol

 

[PhantomX]

I'd say watch out for desynced stuff. blizz wall, some ledge techniques and stuff.
kill nana asap, but be cautious. one grab=down 1 stock. and with grab release, we have two hands grabbing

You can't regrab us out of grab release unless you catch us during our footstool animation of one of the ICs. Also, Blizz Wall is a free punish for us.

 

[r3d d09]

I'm not the best ic on the boards, and i don't know this match up. but playing both players i can see what would be annoying. i'd try to stay in the air. your air maneuverability owns.
Use your bike. I believe the you shouldn't get knocked off from our moves. but be cautious. don't get grabbed.

 

[Padô]

Thanks for the help anyways r3d.

1 Day left of discussion.

Requesting numbers.

This post will be used to determine which veredict we are putting on the Official Matchup Chart. This will be decided by number of votes on each veredict.

Remembering that anyone can post it's own opinion about the numbers then, I'll be editing here.


Padô, PhantomX votes:
55-45 on Neutrals
60-40 on CPs (+Gichan)

Mood4food77 votes:
50-50 (+Gichan)
40-60 FD

 

[PhantomX]

Those numbers seem right to me.

 

[mood4food77]

just put it even or in their favor on FD

 

[Padô]

Well, since we got very few people sharing their knowledge im extending this till monday.


NEXT MATCHUP DISCUSSION:

R.O.B

 

[TheMike]

if u guys will really discuss ROB, i can contact the ROB Boards to help
also, hi Padô =D

 

[stoopdklutz]

My sister is a decent Wario main for her age ( 10 xD) and she wants me to say some tips:

-Don't get grabbed
- Play less aggressive and conservatively
- seperate them, kill Nana

well it's common knowledge, but she wanted me to say it.

 

[Gichan]

Wow, my vote was completely ignored, 60-40 for us, lol. 50-50 on FD.

 

[Padô]

Fixed Gi =)

Time Up!

Veredict by majority of votes:

55-45 Neutrals
60-40 CPs



RESULTS MIGHT BE CHANGED AFTER REDISCUSSION!

 

[LOE1]

im still not the best at approaching ic. if you miss just one aerial and land on the ground, instant death. the only ic i play just camps me and wait for me to approach, then pivot grabs. this is meh worst mu actually. any advice on campy ic thats willing to go into a time out?