I mean, I'm not saying Chaz is bad, but Neo is widely regarded as the best, hence my comment.
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Wario Time! The Wario's Weekly Match-Ups! Gathering Info and PICS!
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Padô
Smash Lord
Prepare your selves dor a BIG update this weekend 
Fogo
Smash Shinigami
Kirby Yellow
Smash Rookie
I'm prepared Padô(Xeon)
Ow my god, I need to read all this thread just to start using Wario ¬¬
Ow my god, I need to read all this thread just to start using Wario ¬¬
swordsaint
Smash Master
It's been a while since you guys discussed Falco yes? I thought it interesting to see you guys believe you have the 55-45 over Falco. Falco boards believe we have the 55-45 over you.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Then again, we believe we are right.
Don't tell me it's because of Larry, his view on matchups are kinda awkward (65-35 against Wario lulz).
Don't tell me it's because of Larry, his view on matchups are kinda awkward (65-35 against Wario lulz).
swordsaint
Smash Master
I don't know DEHFs opinion on the matchup. I personally think it's very 50/50.
Damage Points
Smash Ace
the match-up is 50-50 i believe, its so **** stage dependent.
The matchups isn't nearly as stage dependent as it is patience dependence.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Overrated CG is overrated.
Padô
Smash Lord
Oh my god, it's good to know someone else have finally learned this so they can help me out explaining to people how to do it consistently.
Dude pado, Im gonna be honest with you. I learned the CG after reading YOUR explanation on it in a different thread (I forget which one). But you did a really good job of explaining it! I didnt know you had to let the control stick go back into neutral position for it to work. Thats what I had been doing wrong every single time I tried it.
And if you master the cg, a free 67ish % is definitely not overrated.
And if you master the cg, a free 67ish % is definitely not overrated.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
If you master the chaingrab and manage to grab Falco at a percentage on which he shouldn't be tempted to get into situations in which you can really grab him, then what you say counts.
To be honest, grabbing Falco is definitely manageable, but not if they are actively trying to prevent just that from happening. The damage window in which you can actually start the CG in the first place is also a bit strict, causing the chaingrab not really to affect the matchup all too drastically.
Imo.
To be honest, grabbing Falco is definitely manageable, but not if they are actively trying to prevent just that from happening. The damage window in which you can actually start the CG in the first place is also a bit strict, causing the chaingrab not really to affect the matchup all too drastically.
Imo.
Yeah thats true, but if the falco KNOWS you can do the cg, its another thing that they have to be worrying about during a match. This may lead them to use less side-B's or attack less often so they leave themselves open less often. Plus its much easier to grab a falco whose not trying to get grabbed than it is to grab say...a wario whose not trying to get grabbed.
Padô
Smash Lord
This is so true.
By the way don't let your self dependant on the CG. Like going everytime for a grab, Falco can punish this very well so if for some reason you are having difficulties on grabbing him just start to play your "old and pacient Wario game" and wait for the perfect opportunity to grab him.
@ChainGrab
I gave my best on explaining this, I'm happy some people finally figured out how to do it consistently specially because of my explanation. After a while you have been putting the CG to work you will just brain-muscle the timing and you'll never worry about the animation again, this is what happened to me at least.
Padô
Smash Lord
Updated.
Got the pics and all the numbers, still redimensioning all the pictures but some of them are up already.
I'm trying to get this updated as soon as I can my midterm exams are on so I ain't got much time right now.
Got the pics and all the numbers, still redimensioning all the pictures but some of them are up already.
I'm trying to get this updated as soon as I can my midterm exams are on so I ain't got much time right now.
I had no idea! I hade been doing it wrong every single time as well haha! Gotta practice this asap again, thanks pado!
Noobicidal
Smash Master
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We over at the Jigglypuff board are currently discussing you guys, and we're sadly getting nowhere. Any contributions would be greatly welcomed.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=292847
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=292847
Dynomite
Smash Champion
B!squick
Smash Master
You guys should redo Bowser. Half of the posts were about port priority against characters that aren't Bowser. :S
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Yknow, Bowser wouldn't be such a bad idea.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Awesome contribution, 10/10 would read again.
Grab release.
10Grabreleases
Grab release.
10Grabreleases
Dynomite
Smash Champion
You are all idiots...
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Did someone say...Bowser?
Pwneroni
Smash Lord
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Here's my advice against Bowser players: When the match starts, make a deal with them. You won't infinite them if they don't infinite you. If they accept, good **** you just got a legit match. Bowser is fun to play against!
If they do not accept, avoid getting grabbed at all costs! Not the toughest thing to do, since Bowser is super easy to combo because of his sheer bulk. So easy in fact, that you may get lost in your battle lust and leave yourself open to get grabbed. Contain your rage and beware of the bog blokes!
Bowser is really quite easy to grab. Many of your hits will lead into a grab at low to mid percentages, which you can use to get Bowser to a million percent with chaingrabs. The Bowser player can Upb and disrupt you however, if you err in the ways of buffered chaingrabbing. He has an 8 frame jump also, only 1 frame slower than ours lmao xD
If they do not accept, avoid getting grabbed at all costs! Not the toughest thing to do, since Bowser is super easy to combo because of his sheer bulk. So easy in fact, that you may get lost in your battle lust and leave yourself open to get grabbed. Contain your rage and beware of the bog blokes!
Bowser is really quite easy to grab. Many of your hits will lead into a grab at low to mid percentages, which you can use to get Bowser to a million percent with chaingrabs. The Bowser player can Upb and disrupt you however, if you err in the ways of buffered chaingrabbing. He has an 8 frame jump also, only 1 frame slower than ours lmao xD
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
wario ***** bowser without CGs
i will never agree to a no CG match with bowser though, unless i somehow end up on FD and then only maybe
i like to make them look like the idiots they are for maining such a dumb bad uncool character when i CG them to 180% and waft on them
i will never agree to a no CG match with bowser though, unless i somehow end up on FD and then only maybe
i like to make them look like the idiots they are for maining such a dumb bad uncool character when i CG them to 180% and waft on them
Dynomite
Smash Champion
Your about to get infracted TBTC.
*watches closely with a bowl of popcorn *
*watches closely with a bowl of popcorn *
Lord Chair
Smash Master
No, only you define it as such, and whoever that TO was.
I'm pretty sure Bowser's pummel > utilt (or whatever he'll kill you with) will happen faster than us chaingrabbing him till 200% (how many dthrows does that even take?). Considering the GR infinite stalling and dthrow chaingrabs not as such is kinda contradictory. Stalling rules have been set, all infinites have to stop ONCE YOU REACH 300%.
Oh definitely, that takes a looooong time. Those are the rules though, you're not the one making them.
I'm pretty sure Bowser's pummel > utilt (or whatever he'll kill you with) will happen faster than us chaingrabbing him till 200% (how many dthrows does that even take?). Considering the GR infinite stalling and dthrow chaingrabs not as such is kinda contradictory. Stalling rules have been set, all infinites have to stop ONCE YOU REACH 300%.
Oh definitely, that takes a looooong time. Those are the rules though, you're not the one making them.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
*infracts toobusy*
Wario's got the advantage for sure, but he doesn't **** Bowser, even with the CG.
Honestly if you're having trouble with the CG, you're better offf upthrowing Bowser. He has no good options when he's above you. I HATE being thrown upward.
I'll write up an extended writeup later--I'm on my iPhone right now.
Wario's got the advantage for sure, but he doesn't **** Bowser, even with the CG.
Honestly if you're having trouble with the CG, you're better offf upthrowing Bowser. He has no good options when he's above you. I HATE being thrown upward.
I'll write up an extended writeup later--I'm on my iPhone right now.
Dynomite
Smash Champion
Padô
Smash Lord
I read iPados are hella gay
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
its like 80:20 and your empty threats dont scare me
also pwneroni, i would never put myself in a less advantageous position just due to an honor code that isnt even enforced by TOs. Thats just dumb. I don't cg during friendlies (unless its falco) but once the tourney starts its play to win.
also pwneroni, i would never put myself in a less advantageous position just due to an honor code that isnt even enforced by TOs. Thats just dumb. I don't cg during friendlies (unless its falco) but once the tourney starts its play to win.