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Wario Time! The Wario's Weekly Match-Ups! Gathering Info and PICS!

judge!

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u guys crrrraaaazzzzzzy if u think wario even comes close to even with IC.
 
judge!

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lol no. go face lain or meep and come back to me on the matchup =P. lol hunger we fail =(((((.

and no srsly.....wario does NOT beat falcon. there just arnt any falcons even close to allys lvl. he srsly goes falcon on that matchup over snake he says is way easier. not one of you warios would beat allys falcon and i would MM that just for watching the match =P.
 
Humpy Thrashabout

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We can chaingrab Falcon to fairly high percent and bite every one of his moves except like 3. I'm not saying I could beat Ally, but if a good Wario lost it's because he doesn't know the matchup.

EDIT: I just looked at the interview thread. Maybe I take that back a bit. I just don't see it being possible for someone to beat a good Wario with Falcon. But I guess it happened.
 
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Lain doesn't even stay ICs against Wario, he goes D3. I only played one round against his ICs last year at WHOBO (before I was even remotely good at the matchup) and beat it. People just don't know how to play it. It isn't very hard. There's 101 ways to gimp them as Wario. They just have quite a bit of gimmicks, that, once you understand, are easy enough to avoid. Just buffer everything correctly and you'll have minimal trouble.
 
ssbbFICTION

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wario climbers is dead even. my climbers used to **** warios just as bad as my wario ***** climbers XD
 
toobusytocare

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Fiction thinks every matchup is even

no seriously, he told me that.

anyways all IC have vs wario is nair uair and pivot grabs.
but virtually every character has a move that "***** wario" (not rly)

also judge, wario ***** falcon
idk why ally thinks Snake has a hard time vs wario, he did beat fiction <_<;
 
AllyKnight

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Falcon has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to Falcon, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Falcon needs 4-5 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair. you close to me? I'll jab or grab or jab grab. Top Level C.F ***** Top level Wario.
 
Humpy Thrashabout

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Are there any other top level CFs? It just seems like Ally > Wario, regardless of the character. But then again I've never even heard of it being possible to be a top level CF.

Does anyone have any videos of Falcon v Wario? I'd kill to see those matches against Bassem.
 
toobusytocare

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Yoshi has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to yoshi, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Yoshi needs 1-2 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my bair. you close to me? I'll grab or grab. Top Level Yoshi ***** Top level Wario.

ZSS has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to ZSS, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. ZSS needs 2-3 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair. you close to me? I'll jab or grab. Top Level ZSS ***** Top level Wario.

IC has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to IC, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. IC needs 1 Grab and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair and nair. you close to me? I'll grab. Top Level IC ***** Top level Wario.

Ganon has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to Ganon, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Ganon needs 4-5 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair. you close to me? I'll jab or grab. Top Level Ganon ***** Top level Wario.

Wario has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to Wario, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Wario needs 3-4 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my fair you close to me? I'll bite or grab. Top Level Wario ***** Top level Wario.

see what im getting at?
 
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Ok, Ally I'd debate against your statement above because Falcon Grab speed and range are crap so.


1st of all we got a bad *** CG on Falcon that goes from 0% to 90%, we got many setups to get a grab at those %s like Nair Grab, Dair Grab and sourspot fair Grab by the way if you get grabbed I'll take you to 90% also bite grab is guaranteed on 0%.

2nd You can't follow Wario. I'll just camp you on 90%s till I get a fart and kill you on a missed running grab or normal fail grab Falcon has or in a Powershielded attack you do.

3rd A good Wario wont stay anywhere but under a platform on this matchup OR above a platform just like the IC matchup.

4th CF got a bad recovery, and Warios love that, we can Nair you Off Stage, fart on you, Bair you, Fair you, Bite you, throw a whole bike at you, edgehog you, whatever we got a bunch of options to gimp you.

5th Ok, you are grabbing us during our fall? Ok I'll just press the B button and the only option you have is Ftilt since we bite all your aerials, your jab AND your pivot grab.

In the other hand, we die early ok. But you rely to much on the release option to kill which Wario can easily avoid by air camping you the entire match or just plank you at the ledge. If we had to worry about those grab release shenanigans we would be at D tier.

I'd really appreciate some arguments from you to oppose those I stated above and by doing that we have a good discussion instead of a: "FALCON BEATS VVARI0 LOLOLOLOL"

Sorry If I acted a little rude here, I just don't like MatchUp trolls here I prefer to get over em.

Thanks.

ALLY
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toobusytocare

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Padô said:
Ok, Ally I'd debate against your statement above because Falcon Grab speed and range are crap so.


1st of all we got a bad *** CG on Falcon that goes from 0% to 90%, we got many setups to get a grab at those %s like Nair Grab, Dair Grab and sourspot fair Grab by the way if you get grabbed I'll take you to 90% also bite grab is guaranteed on 0%.

2nd You can't follow Wario. I'll just camp you on 90%s till I get a fart and kill you on a missed running grab or normal fail grab Falcon has or in a Powershielded attack you do.

3rd A good Wario wont stay anywhere but under a platform on this matchup OR above a platform just like the IC matchup.

4th CF got a bad recovery, and Warios love that, we can Nair you Off Stage, fart on you, Bair you, Fair you, Bite you, throw a whole bike at you, edgehog you, whatever we got a bunch of options to gimp you.

5th Ok, you are grabbing us during our fall? Ok I'll just press the B button and the only option you have is Ftilt since we bite all your aerials, your jab AND your pivot grab.

In the other hand, we die early ok. But you rely to much on the release option to kill which Wario can easily avoid by air camping you the entire match or just plank you at the ledge. If we had to worry about those grab release shenanigans we would be at D tier.

I'd really appreciate some arguments from you to oppose those I stated above and by doing that we have a good discussion instead of a: "FALCON BEATS VVARI0 LOLOLOLOL"

Sorry If I acted a little rude here, I just don't like MatchUp trolls here I prefer to get over em.

Thanks.

ALLY
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thank you.
 
bassem6

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My matches against ally got recorded and they should be uploaded within a few days. I HONESTLY had an easier time against ally's snake than I did with his falcon.
 
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Yeah judge I think you're wrong here rofl. My wario that I just use randomly in friendlies took lain to last stock high% 3rd game at pound in our bracket match and he killed my 2nd stock sort of luckily because I accidentally fell through the platform trying to spotdodge his up air and got grabbed at 30 and he didnt mess up. I do think wario beats them.
Meanwhile he ***** my d3 with ics
 
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toobusytocare said:
Yoshi has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to yoshi, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Yoshi needs 1-2 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my bair. you close to me? I'll grab or grab. Top Level Yoshi ***** Top level Wario.

ZSS has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to ZSS, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. ZSS needs 2-3 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair. you close to me? I'll jab or grab. Top Level ZSS ***** Top level Wario.

IC has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to IC, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. IC needs 1 Grab and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair and nair. you close to me? I'll grab. Top Level IC ***** Top level Wario.

Ganon has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to Ganon, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Ganon needs 4-5 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my uair. you close to me? I'll jab or grab. Top Level Ganon ***** Top level Wario.

Wario has an easier time beating up Wario rofl. Wario loses to Wario, dont be stupid by saying they dont know the MU, I can say I know the Wario MU. Wario needs 3-4 Grabs and you're dead. And guess what? you jump I spam my fair you close to me? I'll bite or grab. Top Level Wario ***** Top level Wario.

see what im getting at?
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No I don't, you are very stupid, if that's where you're getting, Falcon can get EASY grabs with a jab. Go back to AiB.

Ok, Ally I'd debate against your statement above because Falcon Grab speed and range are crap so.
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Falcon is fast, jab to grab is always a given, which is 1/5 of ur stock. 5 times, bye.


1st of all we got a bad *** CG on Falcon that goes from 0% to 90%, we got many setups to get a grab at those %s like Nair Grab, Dair Grab and sourspot fair Grab by the way if you get grabbed I'll take you to 90% also bite grab is guaranteed on 0%.
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that ****** CG wont work if a Falcon keeps jumping around platforms, good job, really good
1st argument right there :laugh:

2nd You can't follow Wario. I'll just camp you on 90%s till I get a fart and kill you on a missed running grab or normal fail grab Falcon has or in a Powershielded attack you do.
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I can't follow Wario? Falcon is faster than Wario, fast UAIRS, even if you spot dodge, I can BAIR before you can even do something. And Warios are easily to hit with Falcon, even the running ones. oh and I could just get 5 grabs in a row while you try to land ya know?

3rd A good Wario wont stay anywhere but under a platform on this matchup OR above a platform just like the IC matchup.
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Yeah a good Falcon will stay away from Grab, so on platforms or away from you, we can both play the running game. =)

4th CF got a bad recovery, and Warios love that, we can Nair you Off Stage, fart on you, Bair you, Fair you, Bite you, throw a whole bike at you, edgehog you, whatever we got a bunch of options to gimp you.
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False, Falcon recovery isnt bad, MK ***** it but thats it, try doing it on me, mr I'm soo good, oh wait ur in brazil, you'll never be proving anything at all. Wifi more.

5th Ok, you are grabbing us during our fall? Ok I'll just press the B button and the only option you have is Ftilt since we bite all your aerials, your jab AND your pivot grab.
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???? you are grabbing us during our fall? lol idk rephrase that, and I can just roll or jump airdodge behind you and grab, you clearly don't know much about speed sadly =(

In the other hand, we die early ok. But you rely to much on the release option to kill which Wario can easily avoid by air camping you the entire match or just plank you at the ledge. If we had to worry about those grab release shenanigans we would be at D tier.
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grabbing only happens when a jab to grab happens or a pivot grab which I'm safe if I miss, I'll uair you all day, nothing you'll be able to do, my uairs comes faster and I'll hit you even if you airdodge.

I'd really appreciate some arguments from you to oppose those I stated above and by doing that we have a good discussion instead of a: "FALCON BEATS VVARI0 LOLOLOLOL"
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I just did, oh btw I have RESULTS and proven in tournaments, what do you have? Nothing so better yet, how about you prove something huh?

Sorry If I acted a little rude here, I just don't like MatchUp trolls here I prefer to get over em.
Thanks.

ALLY
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I'm trolling? you obviously don't know much about this game anyhow, it's okay buddy the whole Wario boards are too scared of seeing a low tier beating them up lmao.

Have a nice day.
 
toobusytocare

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Ally said:
that ****** CG wont work if a Falcon keeps jumping around platforms, good job, really good
1st argument right there :laugh:



I can't follow Wario? Falcon is faster than Wario, fast UAIRS, even if you spot dodge, I can BAIR before you can even do something. And Warios are easily to hit with Falcon, even the running ones. oh and I could just get 5 grabs in a row while you try to land ya know?



Yeah a good Falcon will stay away from Grab, so on platforms or away from you, we can both play the running game. =)



False, Falcon recovery isnt bad, MK ***** it but thats it, try doing it on me, mr I'm soo good, oh wait ur in brazil, you'll never be proving anything at all. Wifi more.



???? you are grabbing us during our fall? lol idk rephrase that, and I can just roll or jump airdodge behind you and grab, you clearly don't know much about speed sadly =(



grabbing only happens when a jab to grab happens or a pivot grab which I'm safe if I miss, I'll uair you all day, nothing you'll be able to do, my uairs comes faster and I'll hit you even if you airdodge.

I just did, oh btw I have RESULTS and proven in tournaments, what do you have? Nothing so better yet, how about you prove something huh?



I'm trolling? you obviously don't know much about this game anyhow, it's okay buddy the whole Wario boards are too scared of seeing a low tier beating them up lmao.

Have a nice day.
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that ****** Grab release wont work if a Wario keeps jumping around platforms, good job, really good


Yeah a good Wario will stay away from Grab, so on platforms or away from you, we can both play the running game. =)

^except wario far superior air control to Falcon

GG
 
Padô

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"I'm too good I'm winning every Wario that stays on my way cause I'm Ally I can grab you any time I want." which is obviously an inconsistent argument right there because you are involving you player skill which might be superior.

I didn't say I can gimp you I said any good Wario can gimp you, so my country is unrelated here.

I'll analyze the videos when they come out than point all the flaws Wario made to interrupt you from grabbing and punishing him.

I don't wifi lol. TBH I wifi'd once and thought wtf is this ****

Ok, during our fall I mean we are out of jumps and we gotta land somewhere on the stage the you attempt to grab or something IDK, you are too good as you said you might attempt something inventive like trying to Dair us then techchase us.

About your 1st counter-argument I doubt it... you need to be in the same level as us to grab us since its, since we are on lower ground, believe me we are going to shieldgrab any of your options when you fall and any grounded approaches you have.

Seriously do you really thing you can follow Warios in the air? Ok. Check out aerial acceleration data and you will see we got one of the best in the game.

I won't post here anymore this is kinda turning into flame and I don't wanna ruin this thread which I worked hard to make it that way, thanks for argumenting here.

Check PM inbox.

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toobusytocare said:
that ****** Grab release wont work if a Wario keeps jumping around platforms, good job, really good


Yeah a good Wario will stay away from Grab, so on platforms or away from you, we can both play the running game. =)

^except wario far superior air control to Falcon

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Not really cuz falcons up air outprioritizes and outranges wario lol and hes way faster... Falcon jumping around platforms would be more effective then wario in the mu really
 
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