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A competitive guide on Solid Snake
Hello their soldier! Welcome to the VR training! This is to improve your skills including CQC, usage of your projectiles and your important techniques. This guide is also for you to know the basics of surviving the battlefield and knowing your enemies. Good luck!
Having a hard time navigating the guide? Use the Ctrl+F command and look down at the table of contents!
Table of contents
I. Introduction
II. Advantages and disadvantages
III. Terms
IV. Move set
[IVBA] Basic Attacks
[IVT] Tilts
[IVS] Smashes
[IVA] Aerials
[IVSP] Specials
[IVG] Grabs
[IVOA] Other attacks
V. Know Solid Snake
[VA] Approaching
[VD] Defense
[VLCP] Land chase punishment
[VRE] Retreating
[VJ] Juggling
[VREC] Recovering
[VSSG] Snake's shield game
VI. Building a strong grenade game
[VITT] Types of tosses
[VISS] Stage shenanigans
[VIPS] Positioning in stages
[VIST] Specific tactics
VII. Specific situations
[VIICG] chaingrab
[VIIC] campers
[VIIAOC] Aerial oriented characters
[VIIDCM] Dealing with certain moves
VIII. Snake is sent flying
[VIIIDI] Directional Influence
[VIIIMC] Momentum cancel
IX. Mindgames anyone
X. Playstyles
XI. Follow ups
XII. Stages
XIII. Camouflaged mines and C4s
XIV. The controller
[XIVCC] Compatible controllers
[XIVSVT] Smash VS Tilt stick
[XIVCM] Control mapping
I. Introduction
Unveiled at E3 2006, Snake (スネーク, Sunēku) is a character who appears in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Instead of using a gun like he usually does in his games, he was designed instead to use explosive-type weapons and CQC (close quarters combat) from his own games.
Solid Snake is a character hailing from the metal gear series. When he entered in brawl, he somewhat became "overrated" and usually, people imply that he is "broken". Snake has a lot of useful advantages but his disadvantages are GLARINGLY major. Now these days, no one calls Snake broken. Now, he's usually degraded. The metagame of Snake though is developing slowly so that's why made this guide (VR training)! This guide uses the Gamecube controller-default controls.
Snake in general is a defensive character. He relies on his arsenal of weapons such as grenades, missiles, mines and rockets to camp. He also has a great tech chase which can lead to a lot of follow up plus he can even DACUS. All of these advantages make Snake's ground game a formidable asset. Unfortunately, his aerial game is terrible making him extremely vulnerable in the air.
Solid Snake is a character hailing from the metal gear series. When he entered in brawl, he somewhat became "overrated" and usually, people imply that he is "broken". Snake has a lot of useful advantages but his disadvantages are GLARINGLY major. Now these days, no one calls Snake broken. Now, he's usually degraded. The metagame of Snake though is developing slowly so that's why made this guide (VR training)! This guide uses the Gamecube controller-default controls.
Snake in general is a defensive character. He relies on his arsenal of weapons such as grenades, missiles, mines and rockets to camp. He also has a great tech chase which can lead to a lot of follow up plus he can even DACUS. All of these advantages make Snake's ground game a formidable asset. Unfortunately, his aerial game is terrible making him extremely vulnerable in the air.
Snake is for you if:
- You're a patient player
- You like camping or you're fine with it
- You like playing safe
- You enjoy ground oriented characters
- You like playing as manly characters (Snake is the 2nd manliest)
- You enjoy being hard to kill
- You like big characters
- You're a fan of the Metal Gear Solid series
- You like characters with a beard
Snake is not for you if:
- You hate camping
- You spam powerful but slow moves
- You like staying in the air
- You hate the Metal Gear Solid series
- You suck at camping and spacing
- You hate characters with a beard (If that's the case, shame on you)
Beginner's part
If you have just started playing Brawl and you are targeting to play as Snake, you should read this:
DON'T CHANGE YOUR CONTROLS:
Other ways on how to do moves:
Shield - Hold down any direction of the Z button
Throwing grenades - Hold B then flick the C-stick. Flick it backward to soft throw, flick it up and down or don't flick it to medium throw and flick it forward to strong throw.
Smash - Flick the control stick at any direction at the same time click the A button
II. Snake's advantages and disadvantages
- Fairly quick and powerful tilts
- Very good defensive game
- Superior camping game
- Very long ranged attacks. Some of his attacks such as f-tilt and u-tilt have disjointed range.
- Very high priority
- Good at surviving at higher % (Survivability)
- Has a variety of projectiles
- Can tech chase
- Third heaviest character in the game
Cons
- Some of his attacks are punishable
- Terrible aerials
- Can be chain grabbed easily
- His recovery is very easy to edgeguard
- Can be gimped due to his heavy weight
- Fast faller
- Bad air speed
III. Terms
U/N/B/F/D-Air/Smash/Tilt/Throw- Stands for the certain direction. Examples are n-air (neutral air) and d-tilt (down tilt)
DACUS- Stands for dash attack cancel up smash
Snakedash- Our own term for Snake's DACUS
The knee- The name for Snake's first hit in his f-tilt
Nade- A syllabication in the word "grenade". Usually is used to substitute the word "grenade".
DA- Stands for Dash attack
AD- Stands for Air dodge
SH- Stands for Short hop
FF- Stands for fast fall
FJ- Stands for Full jump
DJ- Stands for Double jump
OoS- Stands for Out of shield
IASA- Interruptable As Soon As, the visual animation hasn't finished yet, but you can do something else past a certain frame on this move.
DI- Directional Influence, when in the air you are able to control where you go to an extent by holding the control stick certain way. Their are multiple types of DI.
AC- Stands for Auto-Cancel. You utilize a move with out experiencing ending lag
IV. Move set
Some things to know before reading:
- Damage is how much % it can dealt against your opponent
- Range tells how far the hitbox lingers
- Priority refers to an attack's ability to trump another attack if both are used at the same time. Priority is usually related to the damage the attack deals.
- Speed depends on the amount of frames in the move
- There are ratings from 1 to 5. 5 is the best while 1 is the worst
- All kill % are still pending. They will be tested on Mario. Note that these are fresh kills. Not DI kills.
- New star system
- (★) It works simply. To Range, priority and speed: the higher, the better. To lag: The higher: the higher, the lag is less or non-existent
[IVBA] Basic attacks
Snake's basic attacks are overall useful. Jab is very good since it has such incredible priority and dash attack is somewhat hard to punish.
Neutral combo- CQC combo
Damage: 14% (4%-3%-7%)
Speed: ★★★★★
Range: ★★★★
Priority: ★★★★
Lag: ★★★★
Kills around: 137% fresh
Snake's neutral combo is one of the better combos in the game. The hitbox appears at the 4th frame at the same time it clanks some projectiles. You can follow up an f-tilt (Jab 1--> F-tilt) which is great for getting kills. It's also a good spacing but Snake has better options. It has incredible priority for a jab for some reason but that's what makes it useful. Jab can be used for SPACING if you follow it up with an f-tilt
. You can also jab lock with this one. That's why Snake's jab is special compared to the other jabs. Snake's rd jab however is terrible since it can be easily PS'ed so I suggest Jab-->F-tilt. Jab--> grab is also a great follow up. It's great for mixing up and it's very useful because you can catch people trying to air dodge behind you, unless you'd rather just do something like grab or turn around and tilt. Fact:
The tip of the jab gives non-existent knockback.
Random Fact: Did you know jab can follow up from a helpless fall of an enemy to an F-smash? Weird right?
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLUSBrHe8Yw
Dash attack- Forward somersault
Damage: 8-10%
Speed: ★★★★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★★★★
Kills around: Around 130%
One of the better dash attacks in the game. This dash attack is somewhat harder to punish compared to the other DAs for some reason but still can be punished though. This is the best move to use when you punishing landings. It can also be used to punish those nasty f-airs of Marth. This is also a good approach option since it's pretty hard to punish compared to the other DAs in the game but not only because of that but because this also gives very good knockback.
Oh, I completely forgot about putting stuff about DACUS here since I put it in the techs section (thanks nappy >.<) It can connect to a sliding up-smass. This makes Snake's stage control ability better. For more info, go to the techs section. This also can be used to reset your position or retreating and sometimes, whenever you want to retreat do it, cause whenever the enemy dares approach you, the mortar rocket will save you.
[IVT] Tilts
Snake's tilts are soooo broken and awesome. All of his tilts possess fairly quick speed, power and disjointed range which makes them so good! U-tilt has very high killing power and disjointed range. F-tilt has everything but it's usually best for spacing. D-tilt is kind of under rated but it's actually useful for spacing and it can substitute u-tilt if Snake's U-tilt is stale.
Forward Tilt- The knee combo
Damage: 20% (8%-18%)
Speed: ★★★★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★★★★★
Kills around: 125%
Snake's f-tilt is hell useful! It covers up all advantages and it has everything such as power, damage, range, knockback, speed and a short lag. The best usage of it is SPACING. Due to it's incredible power, damage, range, knockback, speed and short lag, this is what you should abuse and spam! It can be also used to edgeguard. Even the f-tilt 1 is capable of edgeguarding whenever the enemy is at 100% and above. Did I mention that it has the HIGHEST priority in the game (not including the attacks with transcending priority). But be warned some moves can still punish or outrange F-tilt. This move can make enemies TUMBLE if the enemy is closer to the hitbox. You can take this to your advantage by following up a grab when the enemy tumbles or U-tilt for kills. The 2nd hit of F-tilt however is punishable especially on shields. Some people usually use the 2nd hit of F-tilt as a GTFO move. The 1st hit of F-tilt can also be used to space if the enemy is airborne and if he has a high %.
Fact:
I found this cool data about Snake's F-tilt trip data by Susa:
★★★★★[/COLOR]
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★★★
Kills around: 102% fresh, 111% with DI
Ahhh.. The u-tilt. One of Snake's epitome of his KO moves. It has ridiculously strong KO potential though this move is rarely used in matches. It's usually reserved as a "surprise KO move" so it can avoid staling. This can also be used as an anti-air attack and a land chase punishment. This is also a pretty good OoS so you should use this OoS option whenever the enemy is at 100% and above. This is also safe even though if if it gets shielded, since it gives good shield push back and and if the opponent attempt to shield grab U-tilt but get pushed away too far you can U-tilt again.
Fact:
Here's a chart of the -tilt's KO% with DI by smashkng:
Downward tilt- Sweep kick
Damage: 10%
Speed: ★★★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★
Lag: ★★★
Kills around: 133% fresh
One of Snake's underrated attacks. It has more horizontal range than u-tilt and this can be used to space, edgeguard or even KO but usually, Snake has way better options so you'll rarely use this in battle. Sometimes this comes in handy. Oh I forgot one thing. This is pretty decent to use whenever there's an open spot in the shield, you can use d-tilt (Well you call the term shield poking). Also, this can be actually as fast as U-tilt when you with out crouching. You can use this as a surprise attack against the enemy whenever U-tilt is staled and this is actually an amazing spacer but Snake has better options again. Just saying that D-tilt isn't all bad
[IVS] Smashes
Snake's smashes are very useful (except f-smash). U-smash can be DACUS'ed and it's a very good anti-air tactic and edgeguarder. D-smash is a great tool for camping and extreme mind games. You can mix up Snake's smash attacks with Snake's grenades and C4.
Forward smash- RPG-7
Damage: 22-32%
Speed: ★
Range: ★★★★
Priority: ★★★★
Lag: ★
Kills around: Around 60%
This move is incredible but the one disadvantage that puts it out is it's lag and speed. It's just too slow and having only 4 frames where the hitbox appears is just to strict. However, this move is VERY POWERFUL but you should use this move sparingly or never even use it. You can also punish some terrible recoveries, some attacks with such terrible lag (notably Ganondorf, Ike and Zelda), and also some whiffed recoveries so it's okay as an edgeguarder but use it at a high risk. But well, you have the u-tilt. It's okay if you don't even use this move since U-tilt is better than this. Oh, Did you know that F-smash can be followed up by a one-jab-lock?
Video:
VIDEO OF THE WRATH OF F-SMASH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLUSBrHe8Yw
Upward smash- Mortar
Damage: 14%
Speed: ★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★
Lag: ★★★★
Kills around: With melee hit 124%, Only projectile 149%
The longest ranged u-smash in the game well since it's a projectile. This is one of the u-smashes that can be used to DACUS and it's one of the best to use in controlling the stage. This can also be used in edgeguarding and anti-air tactic. Oh also, this can be "mortar grabbed" (U-smash-->grab) but who cares anyway. This also good for platform pressuring. I can't say much about this move with out DACUS. The main use of this is DACUS anyway.
Downward smash- Land mine
Damage: 14-19%
Speed: ★★
Range: ★★★★
Priority: None
Lag: ★★
Kills around: 119% uncharged fresh
Despite it's unusually long lag and fairly slow speed, it's very useful for mindgames. If your having a hard time planting the land mine, just f-tilt space then plant it. SIMPLE! Oh yeah, it also has a special feature in Lylat Cruise. Whenever you plant it on the platforms, it's "unseen" from the view but it's actually hidden at the second layer of the platform so take advantage of that. This also has pretty good knockback for just a projectile and it can kill at a low percent whenever it's fully charged.
[IVA] Aerials >_>
Snake's aerials aren't that useful. Well it's below useful. It's HORRIBLE. Most of theses possess terrible lag and they have an unusually long duration and what makes it worse is that Snake falls to fast and Snake's bad air mobility. Overall, Snake has one of the worst air games in the game. Though, these can be useful as edgeguarding tools since they have incredible knockback and high priority.
Neutral Aerial- Shoo Bee Doo Bop
Damage: 28%
Speed: ★★★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★
Kills around: 86% Fresh
One of his better but yet situational aerials. It's a great defensive tactic and edgeguarder overall. It's pretty good as an edgeguarder cause of it's fairly long range, knockback and priority and it's also a good defensive move cause of it's range and knockback. The sad thing about it is that sometimes, this attack might as well kill you on air due to how long it last combined with Snake's fall speed. Also the landing lag is terrible but overall, this move is useful.
Forward aerial- Axe kick
Damage: 14-16%
Speed:★★
Range: ★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★
Kills around: 102%
This move can meteor smash though it's slow and powerful. True Snakes can use this attack effectively. There some uses of this attack such as punishing ledge hops but b-air is way better for may reasons. Also, this is one of the most powerful meteor smashes in the game. This can also be used in edgeguarding but this is way more risky than n-air so use this sparingly.
Backward aerial- Drop kick
Damage: 10-16%
Speed: ★★★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★★
Kills around: 108% sweetspotted, 130% sourspotted
Snake's best aerial by far. It's a bit less riskier than his other aerials and it's a very good edgeguarder overall. You can also string 2 b-airs (sour-spot-->FJ-->sweetspot) which can be good for getting some kill opportunities and gimps. This can also remain out of the grab range but the problem with this move is that the landing lag is very long and terrible (but not as terrible as his other aerials though).
Downward aerial- Quadruple Stomps
Damage: 28%
Speed: ★★★★
Range: ★★★
Priority: ★★★★
Lag: ★
Kills around: 86% Fresh
Not that useful due to it's range but it can pressure shields well and deal good knockback and damage. The landing lag of this attack is terrible like n-air and f-air. This move can't even meteor smash and this move has practically no use so your pretty much better off not using it but one useful thing is that you can do some ledgehop-->d-air shenanigans but it's fairly risky though. Oh, this can be used as an OoS.
Upward aerial- Upward kick
Damage: 10-14%
Speed: ★★★★★
Range: ★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★★
Kills around:102%
An aerial version of u-tilt but it's more inferior. It's as powerful as u-tilt and as fast but the landing lag is stylish but long. You can spam this one while your falling but grenades are still better. This is also a good KO move. Nothing much to say though.
[IVSP] Specials
Snake's special are very useful for camping (excluding NIKITA). Grenades are Snake's main tools to camp and C4 is the tool for mind games. You can also mix this up with Snake's smashes (excluding F-smash) to maximize the usage.
Neutral special- Hand grenades
Damage: 12%
Speed: ★★★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★★
Lag: ★★★★
Kills around: 156%
By far, Snake's best move. This is VERY important aspect of Snake. He needs it to camp against his opponents. The hitbox of this attack is huge and you can create a lot of tactics and strategies with this tool. You can "cook" the grenade by holding it for a while then throwing it on the enemy. Remember, this takes exactly 3 seconds to explode. Along with that you can strip it or also known as "grenade strip". All you need to do is throw a grenade then shield drop a grenade. There's far too much to say about this tool. It can be used in many ways like approaching, defending, camping, etc. Grenades can also be effected by stages since some stages have those slopes, unique platforms, etc.
Grenades can also explode or be exploded by Snake's other tools. Grenades can explode land mine and C4 can explode both grenade and land mine. This helps Snake in increasing the blast radius and hit box of this attack which makes it useful for spacing (See solid style section Ctrl+F search). Grenades can help Snake in a variety of situations. Notably chain grabs (Unless if it's the Ice Climbers). Grenades also explodes if it's in contact with an attack. If the attack the enemy uses catches the grenade, then do grenade strip. This proves that grenades can juggle but not that well but usually a 2 hit juggle but still. Snake isn't quite potent at juggling. Grenades have a million of uses. You'll find that out soon (Nappy will take care of that).
Additional notes:
You can use this to blow up land mines which makes it a safer and better way to explode land mines.
For beginners: If you don't know how to throw Snake's grenades softly, normally or strongly then go to smashbros.com (Smash DOJO) or just read the information down here if you're too lazy:
Soft throw
Tilt the analog backward
Medium throw
Don't tilt the analog
Strong throw
Tilt the analog forward
Forward special- NIKITA
Damage: 7-14%
Speed: ★★
Range: ★★★★★
Priority: ★★★★
Lag: ★★
Kills around: 147% sweetspotted, 261% sourspotted
The NIKITA isn't actually THAT bad. It's amazing for mixing up. First of all, the NIKITA is useful if you mix up with your grenades. It's also a good far range punishing tool. NIKITA is very good for edgeguarding. You can drop them on the enemy or make it travel towards the enemy. It can clank with projectiles such as:
- Link and Toon Link- Bow and arrow
- ROB's gyro or one laser from ROB per nikita.
- Pit's arrows
- Pika's t-jolts
- Fox, Falco and Wolf's blasters
- Ness's/Lucas's PKT and PK Fire
- Zamus's armor pieces (You know how Zamus's often like to throw their armor straight at you at the start of a match? Fire a Nikita and watch every single armor piece fall in its path, and still be able to fly and hit Zamus.)
Downward special- C4
Damage: 17%
Speed: Aerial: ★★★★★ Ground: ★★
Range: ★★★★
Priority: None
Lag: ★★★
Kills around: 93% fresh
Another of Snake's important tools for camping and mindgames. Combined with his landmine, he controls the stage. You can do a lot of crazy stuff with this thing such as platform planting and sticking. Oh it also has a huge hitbox which is awesome. This also helps in Snake's recovery. Whenever he fails on getting back unto the ledge, detonate yourself then use the cypher again. Another good thing about this tool is that it can also edgeguard.
Upward special- Cypher
Damage: 4%
Speed: ★★★
Range: ★★★★★ (Projectile)
Priority: ★★
Lag: ★★★★
Kills around: Never will
Snake's main recovery.. Despite how high it travels, it's still very easy to edgeguard so you can be easily spiked out or grabbed out of cypher. There are things that help this recovery such as b-reversal, wave bounce and C4 bomb jumping. Nothing much to say though. Overall, this is a somewhat mediocre recovery.
[IVG] Grabs
Snake's grabs are excellent. Snake's grab can grab release. Let us see what this can do.
Turns out we have 11 grab releases.
All releases are air release unless stated otherwise (Ness/Lucas)
__crystal___ and I did testing - albeit WiFi but we tested multiple times + in the scenarios the characters were still in a "stun" like state where they can't do anything.
Using Data from This thread will help you determine whether you want to grab release or dthrow.
Dash Attack, Boost Grab
DACUS (Buffered only, needs to be perfect), Boost Grab (1-2 frame window <3 fun fun?)
Dash Attack, DACUS, Boost Grab
DACUS (Buffered only, needs to be perfect. Like Sheik)
Dash Attack (Tipped)
Dash Attack + Boost Grab? (We were having issues Boost Grabbing... I did it once before he recovered IIRC so it SHOULD be possible)
Dash Attack + Boost Grab (Boost Grab trades hits and isn't worth it)
Dash Attack(... I forget... I believe anyone we can boost grab we can dash attack anyways) + Boost Grab
Nair, Utilt, Bair, Uair
GROUND RELEASE:
Jab, Ftilt, Dtilt, Utilt (Dtilt needs to be buffered)
Regrab if Ness doesn't land to far away. (If he does we can't grab him) < this seems to be at random <_<
GROUND RELEASE:
Jab (sometimes), Ftilt, Dtilt, Utilt
Jab > Grab! Needs more testing! (0%-83% CG using Jab > grab > release > jab) Jab puts Lucas into stun so we may have a pseudo CG on him!
Pummel grab- Chokehold
Damage: 1-2%
Kills around: Never
This is best used whenever you need to refresh your moves.
Forward throw- Scoop slam
Damage: 9%
Kills around: 230%
This is good for getting enemies off-stage.
Backward throw- Backward slam
Damage: 10%
Kills around: 125% fresh
Works like forward throw but has more knockback.
Upward throw- Backward suplex
Damage: 10%
Kills around: 205%
Snake's least used throw. There's not much to say about it.
Downward throw- Lie down man (Unknown name)
Damage: 12%
Kills around: Never
His most damaging throw at the same time his best throw. It can be used to tech-chase opponents which is awesome.
Here's a thread about tech chasing with d-throw--> http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=235804
[IVOA] Other attacks
Snake has some other attacks which is not so worth knowing but for the heck of it, maybe it would be worth showing.
Ledge attack- Kick
Damage: 8%
Kills around:
Probably Snake's only "Other" attack. There are still better options however
100% Ledge attack- Lol kick
Damage: 10%
Kills around:
Lol. Avoid using this terrible move.
Taunt- Box
:jiggs: <(Lulz)
Damage: 1-3%
Kills around:
Don't use this in competitive play.
V. Know Solid SnakeYou should know what Solid Snake is capable of. You should know what should be done when you decide on which strategy will you use. If you don't know what to do or in other, if your clueless, you might as well mess up and die shortly after. So knowing what to do is important.
[VA] Approaching
Snake's approach is above average but if you battling against Olimar, this is essentially useless. Snake is better off with defense but if you want to approach then I'll throw out some things to use:
Dash attack- Very good approach move. It's hard to punish compared to the other DAs in the game but be warned that some moves can punish Snake's dash attack.
Grenades- Grenades can also be used to approach and retreat. You can pull out grenade--> SH towards the enemy--> Soft/medium/strong throw--> pull out nade--> SH away--> soft throw. There are millions of ways you can approach with this thing but using them defensively is better.
DACUS (Dash attack canceled u-smash)- Great for approaching for obvious reasons. You can DACUS towards the enemy, pick up a nade with DACUS, land chase, etc. Though, remember this is highly punishable against Ground characters. Use it against aerial campers or other aerial oriented characters.
Crouch- Snake's crouch can avoid a lot of moves. That includes most of Ganondorf's moves, Falco and Fox's blaster and more.
F-tilt- Walking F-tilt is pretty good for approaching. Plus, Snake needs to walk in most match ups anyway. Also, Snake's f-tilt is almighty. More than u-tilt, yes it is.
Dealing with projectile spam- Projectiles are very annoying to deal with. Just powershield while slowly going forward. Though, most of Snake's attacks clank most projectiles:
[VD] Defensive
Fireballs are outprioritized by f-tilt, jab, u-tilt, maybe d-tilt and DA. Also, all his aerials outprioritize them.
Turnips can by outprioritized by his tilts, jab, DA and aerials dodge it but AD would be better to use. Thrown beam sword can be easily PS'ed. Bomb omb, ehhh.... I don't really know @_@.
Crouching works against them Fox and Falco's lasers.
His lasers can be easily PS'ed.
Waddle Dees and Waddle doos can be stopped by all of Snake's attacks
U-tilt and maybe f-tilt can neutralize arrows. All of his attacks outprioritize boomerangs. AD their bombs also.
PS his arrows
Peanuts can be neutralized by all of Snake's attacks. AD'ing them is easier though. Also, nades can deal with peants
Bananas can be a bit of a pain...
PS her slow moving projectiles. You can also f-tilt her small-medium charged shots but PSing is still easier.
PS his egg tosses.
PS their ice blocks or you can try hitting them with your jabs and tilts.
All of Snake's Jab and tilts cancel Pika's t-jolt
There's more coming!
Snake's defense is just too good! His camping game is superior and thanks to his fairly quick, long ranged, powerful and high priority tilts plus his variety of projectiles (Nades, C4, land mines and mortar and also, he very hard to KO) he has one of the best defensive games in the game. If not the best.
F-tilt- Long-ranged, quick, less lag, powerful, high damaging attack? Very useful and broken. Spam this all you want but be warned that this can be punished a few attacks. This also outprioritzes/clanks all the attacks (excluding transcendent priority attacks) so yeah, spam it.
D-tilt- This is an OKAY spacing move. It can also clank with some moves and it can dodge some attacks (I think?). It also has moderately good killing power.
Neutral A- Due to the great knockback of this attack, use it but this loses to jab-->f-tilt. This move as pretty good range and incredible priority for a jab and the good knockback is enough to kill an enemy at 110% or above fresh.
Jab-->F-tilt- Duh, it dealts more damage so I suggest using this more than the neutral-A.
B-air- Long-ranged, high priority, powerful move. Really useful but the landing lag is terrible.
Grenades- This is where the fun begins. You create your own tactic and put it into action. You can cook grenades, counter enemy attacks by predicting by shield dropping a nade (Grenade counter in other words). Use the environment around you in the stage and take advantage of the platforms, slopes, etc. Also, you can grab people and start tech chasing with nades. Nades help in tech chasing if their in the back and front of the enemy. Oh whenever the enemy catches the nade, strip it. The enemy gets disarmed. Nades also explode if it's on a land mine or if you detonate a C4 while the nade is on top of it. It does well.
C4- Mix this tool up with you grenades and create an endless number of tactics! You can put a C4 beside a land mine, detonate it and it causes a bigger blast radius. This is a very good wall of defense. It usually forces the enemy to play carefully which could limit his or her options. Besides that, Whenever your sticked a C4 on the enemy, punish them whenever they attempt doing some laggy attacks or rolls. Also, go to darker stages with this one.
Land mine- Land on this thing and BOOM! Same thing with the C4, combine tactics with grenades but take advantage of it's ability in Lylat. This serves as a wall like the C4 also it limits the enemy's options. You should use this in very bright stages (Delfino Plaza) since from a far view, you don't see it clearly. You can also use it to punish opponents. How? Usually, rolling can make this tool explode with out the enemy getting hurt. You can punish their rolls.
Mortar- This is great for punishing failed approaches (Grab enemy and wait for the rocket to drop on the enemy) but this has fairly low priority. This is also a good tool against those nasty aerial approaches. You should be warned about the aerial attacks that can outprioritize Snake's mortar rocket (A good example is DDD's n-air). This is also a bit of a mindgame tool with a thrown down nade.
OoS grab- Can lead to some awesome grab releases and tech chasing.
More creative tactics- Here are some tactics that can help:
[VGTK] Getting the killberserker01 said:DEFENSIVE SET UPSI. DEFENSIVE SET UP 1
Personally my favorite set up. Great for retreating from an approach.
HOW TO DO IT:
C4 b-reversal/wavebounce-->Grenade b-reversal/wavebounce-->Fastfall--> Grenade shield drop--> Land mine--> Roll away
WORKS IN:
Center portion of stages. Can't be used near the edge.
HOW IT WORKS:
Use the mines to make the enemy run away from it then use the b-reversal grenade to pressure the enemy then drop a grenade to increase your defensive barrier then go a little further from your dropped grenade then put a landmine then roll away from it.
II. DEFENSIVE SET UP 2
A great set up used in the start of a match.
HOW TO DO IT:
Short hop--> Soft throw nade-->Short hop--> C4-->Fastfall--> Jump backwards--> Fastfall--> Medium throw nade
WORKS IN:
Center portion of stages. Can't be used near the edge.
HOW IT WORKS:
Quicky SH soft throw a nade to keep the enemy in pressure and the C4 should be detonated if enemy attempts to approach so the nade beside the C4 will explode along with it making a huge hitbox. To add more pressure, Throw a medium nade.
III. DEFENSIVE SET UP 3
A great mixture of approaching and retreating.
HOW TO DO IT:
DACUS towards the enemy-->
There are varied results:
If enemy is a bit far from you when you DACUS'ed:
Shield drop nade--> DACUS away from the enemy--> Strong throw nade
If the enemy is near you:
Attack: Shield--> F-tilt/F-throw--> Medium throw nade--> Short hop--> C4--> roll away--> medium throw nade
Grab: Roll away--> Jump backwards--> Soft throw nade--> Fast fall--> Medium throw nade
WORKS IN:
Center portion of stages. Can't be used near the edge.
HOW IT WORKS:
DACUS for approaching.
If far:
Shield drop nade to force the enemy to run then retreat by using DACUS then quickly strong throw a nade
If near:
Attack phase: Classic shield then punish enemy with an f-throw/tilt. Medium throw nade for quick pressure then short hop C4 to make it quick so you can run from the enemy. When far enough, medium throw a nade to add pressure against the enemy.
Grab phase: Roll away to dodge the grab. Jump backwards to get some space and some distance away from the enemy. Quickly soft throw a nade to pressure then quickly fall on ground then medium throw a nade to add camping effectiveness.
IV. DEFENSIVE SET UP 4
Very basic set up. Can be useful in any situations.
HOW TO DO IT:
Medium throw nade--> Jump--> Medium throw nade--> Fast fall--> C4--> Roll away
WORKS IN:
All parts of any stage
HOW IT WORKS:
The 2 medium thrown nades are for pressuring the enemy. C4 will protect you.
V. DEFENSIVE SET UP 5
Very good set up to stall/stun the opponents and to start camping set ups.
HOW TO DO IT:
Mortar--> Medium throw nade--> C4--> Jump backwards--> Medium throw nade--> (When both nades explode) DACUS
WORKS IN:
All parts of any stage
HOW IT WORKS:
Mortar might outrange the opponent but it's easily outprioritized by a MOVE so while the opponent will do a move use a medium thrown nade to pressure the enemy away from you. Jump backwards for more space then throw another medium-throw nade then when the enemy isn't worried about the 2 nades (which already exploded by now) quickly DACUS towards the enemy to approach.
VI. DEFENSIVE SET UP 6
Great set up for (See the "Works in" section)
HOW TO DO IT:
Go a little near the enemy--> C4--> DACUS away from the enemy--> medium throw nade x2
WORKS IN:
Any stage with slanting platforms/stage like castle siege, yoshi's island brawl, etc.
HOW IT WORKS:
Put a C4 to create pressure on the enemy then quickly DACUS away from the enemy and throw nades to camp.
VII. DEFENSIVE SET UP 7
A set up specifically for Battlefield.
HOW TO DO IT:
Put a C4 on a platform--> Go below the platform with a C4--> land mine--> jump on one of the platforms below the top platform (Top platform MUST not have the C4) The platform with no C4 in other words--> medium throw nade--> shield drop nade.
WORKS IN:
Battlefield
HOW IT WORKS:
The C4 is on the L/R platform because aerial campers usually spend time above the PLATFORMS and usually aerial campers land on it. The land mine should be under the C4 so when the enemy lads on ground and he/she is possibly near the land mine/C4, you can detonate the C4 which explodes on the land mine causing the land mine to explode on the enemy. Quickly to the other platform with no C4, medium throw a nade then strip it by shield dropping another nade to add difficulty for the enemy to land.
VIII. DEFENSIVE SET UP 8
Another set up good against ground oriented characters.
HOW TO DO IT:
Put a C4 on the MOVING platform--> Drop down from the platform then put a land mine--> Stay behind land mine--> Medium throw nade--> Shield drop nade-- Chuckle nade
WORKS IN:
Smashville
HOW IT WORKS:
C4 can detonate on top of the enemy and to top that, the hitbox of the C4 can reach out to the enemies hurt box. Land mine can be used as a barrier or it can be used as a part of an explosion along with the C4. The nades are mainly for camping/pressuring.
IX. DEFENSIVE SET UP 9
A specific set up on yoshi's island brawl.
HOW TO DO IT:
Put a C4 on any of the edges of the see-saw--> Put a land mine on the other edge of the see-saw--> In the middle of the see-saw Shield drop nade x2--> Face right--> pick up a nade then throw it downwards--> face left--> pick up a nade then throw it downwards.
WORKS IN:
Yoshi's Island Brawl
HOW IT WORKS:
The C4 and land mine will be your barrier of defense. One at the left and one at the right. You can detonate the C4 anytime to block the opponent and throw a nade on top of the land mine to make it explode. While in the middle, the thrown down nades while travel at a certain trajectory depending on the see-saws angle.
X. DEFENSIVE SET UP 10
Another set up for castle siege but it's at the 1st transition.
HOW TO DO IT:
Yellow line- Land mine
Grey line- C4
Green square- Area of nade spamming
HOW IT WORKS:
The 2 mines are barriers. Nades for camping. Since the place is too small. It will completely pressure the opponent.
XI. DEFENSIVE SET UP 11
A set up specifically for the 3rd transition of castle siege.
HOW TO DO IT:
Put a C4 far away from you--> Behind the C4 put a land mine--> Behind the 2 mines nade strip--> Throw down the shield dropped nade
HOW IT WORKS:
C4 and remote mine will serve as your defense. Remember the grenades will roll along the sloping stage so that's why nade striping is important here. The thrown down nade will bounce at a certain trajectory depending on the angle of the stage.
XII. DEFENSIVE SET UP 12
Good set up for semi- approaching and semi-camping--ish.
HOW TO DO IT:
Walk a little forward--> shield drop nade--> walk a little forward--> shield drop nade--> d-throw-->
If roll forward--> F-tilt
If roll backward--> boom
If get up attack--> Shield--> F/U -Tilt
WORKS IN:
Any portion but not the ledge
HOW IT WORKS:
The 2 nades are for punishing the backward roll of the opponent while the f-tilt is for forward roll. The get up attack, f-tilt and u-tilt will do.
XIII. DEFENSIVE SET UP 13
Credit goes to ErikG who talked about this set up
Another basic yet useful setup.
HOW TO DO IT:
HOW IT WORKS:ErikG said:
Do it then makes a wall of explosions
Snake has many ways on killing the enemy. Since his attacks have high priority, powerful, fairly quick and high damaging, it will be pretty easy.
U-tilt- This attack is broken (Though it's not as broken as f-tilt) but still, it has RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL AMOUNT OF KILLING POWER, high priority and hell range. But watch out when your using this. It's highly punishable. Oh did I mention, this can kick MK out of nado O_o
F-tilt- I have to explain this all over again? This move can even kill even though your in defensive position.
D-tilt- It's pretty good in killing and most enemies don't expect Snake doing it. I suggest using it when your u-tilt and f-tilt is staled.
U-air- Meh, U-tilt is better in many ways but this move comes in handy.
Tech chasing- Tech chasing can lead to good kill moves such as f-tilt or u-tilt. You can also rack up damage by chaining (if possible) d-throws unto the opponent.
C4 and land mine- Yes! It has incredible knockback and you can find ways on how to kill with it!
B-throw- Also good for killing since it has good base knockback. It can be followed up by tech chasing.
[VLCP] Land chasing punishment
Land Chasing is what I call the act of either forcing people into the air and predicting certain land options, or just plain punishing their landing. Since Brawl is so floaty and air dodges are highly punishable, landing in Brawl is somewhat hard to do and can be punished fairly easily if you mess up. Snake has very good options in this cause his moves possess very long horizontal distance.
Dash attack- His best option by far generally because it covers a lot of distances. This also dealts good knockback and it's fairly hard to punish.
Grab- Can lead to grab releases and tech chasing. Also, you can u-throw and continue punishing the enemy's landings.
[VRE] Retreating
Whenever you make failed approaches, it's best to run away from the opponent or else, you might get punished (Especially Lucas since his U-smash and D-smash can punish hard) and also you may wanna follow up a defensive game FOR A WHILE to ensure your safety so here are some stuff.
Dash attack canceled u-smash (DACUS)-Well duh, it's way faster than any of his moves that can increase his speed (Well, there is none) but who cares anyway. The rocket also defends you whenever the enemy will still attempt to attack you.
Backward FJ soft throw nade- For obvious reasons. The nade should keep the enemy away from you though this option does not work against Marth or any high jumpers. Great example would be Falco since they can just "jump" over it.
[VJ] Juggling
Snake isn't quite potent in juggling. I won't advice you to juggle with Snake. This won't be a big section anyway. If you want to juggle, fine. Snake only has one option anyway.
Grenades- Grenades can actually juggle? But how? This method only works on small easily poked shields so here. When the enemy catches a nade, you might wanna threaten them to shield by going near them and shielding. While shielding, stop shielding then F-tilt poke the enemy! Then the nade should explode by now then after that pull out a nade. When your enemy executes an aerial attack, throw the nade on the enemy then you keep the same thing. Not sure if it works but I was able to do it
[VREC] Recovering
YOU MUST RECOVER! Pretty smart words from Sakurai (Still, I still hate you for what you did in melee). Snake's recovery is pretty good. There's one thing though that makes it NOT that good. Snake is defenseless while recovering. There are some ways that Snake can recover safely.
B-reversal/wavebounce- Very good for helping Snake's recovery. Mix this up with the cypher so you won't be at least defenseless. What makes it better is that it can be a recovery (if that's the case, the best thing to use is the C4). This can also be a mix up for not only his recovery but also for approaching and defending. Just saying how useful this tech is.
C4 bomb jump- This enables Snake to do his recovery again. REMEMBER, it has moderately good KO potential so you need some good DI or momentum cancel and some teching on ceilings or edges.
Here's some data on when Bomb Jumps kill by Dragmire
[VSSG] Snake's shield gameDragmire said:
Like all characters in the game, Snake shield game is really important to know and master. This section's purpose is to stop those noobs from spamming rolls and letting themselves get punished.
Shield- Snake's shield would be one of the more used shielding/evading attacks of Snake. Snake's shield is usually used to block attacks and grenade strip. Most snakes use this input as an advantage to make a shield explosion (A shield explosion is the technique use to counter attacks by pulling out a grenade and shielding the enemy's attack causing the enemy to make a hit contact with the grenade and exploding).
Rolling- The overused evading move. Rolls are usually use to drop grenades and retreat to another area. This is also use to dodge attacks but this gets really predictable and easy to punish. Since Snake's roll is slow, he is usually open to be punished
Spot dodging- More likely to be Snake's most underused move. Usually, this is used like shield explosion except it's a bit unsafe. I don't use spot dodge a lot to be honest however, if this is properly used, this could be a good asset.
Powershielding- Snake's most important aspect of his shield game. Powershielding or PS gives you great opportunities to punish you enemy's attacks. All you need to do is click the shield button when the attack is about to hit you. If you master this, you can easily rack up damage faster, punish foes and keep them away by spacing. This is a must learn skill.
VI. Building a strong grenade gameYes. This is how important grenades are. It needs it's own section. Grenades are hold a very important role in the field of battle. This section will mainly tell how to put your grenades into good use.
Note: Before reading this section, please read this guide to cooking nades by gammonwalker.
gammonwalker said:
[VITT] Types of tosses
Snake's grenades can be thrown in a certain manner depending on the analog. If you don't know this yet then read this.
Soft throw- Hold B then tilt the analog at Snake's back. This is best use whenever your retreating from an enemy and whenever your approaching the enemy. Also use this against those nasty air campers. Oh, also use this whenever the enemy is near you. Use this as an edgeguarder whenever the enemy planks.
Medium throw- Hold B without tilting the analog anywhere. This is best used when you are camping or your edgeguarding a normal/good recovery. Also this can pressure enemies well.
Strong throw- Hold B then tilt the analog forward. Use this against small enemies like Jiggly, Kirby, MK, etc. Note: About Pika, you need to be far from Pika to make the nade hit him.
[VISS] Stage shenanigans
Grenades can do some weird stuff in stages. Some of these involve defying gravity. They also help in Snake's grenade game and add some fun mind games. If you want to know it then read this part.
Castle siege- Both 1st and 3rd transition have slopes. You can strip nades all over so they can all roll down hill. You can also throw the nade downwards whenever the stage/platform is sloping into an angle. The travel direction depends on the angle of the slope. Very useful.
Yoshi's island (Brawl)- The see-saw platform is very beneficial to Snake's grenades. You can strip nades like usual so they can roll along the platform or even throw the nade downwards and it travels in a certain direction depending on the angle of the platform. You can also do this on the edge of Yohi's island.
Distant planet- There's a big slope there and yeah. But you won't play in this stage a lot.
Delfino Plaza- Slopes in the sandy part. Try down throwing it or nade stripping.
[VIPS] Positioning in stages
You need to know on what to do on each stage with nades. For now, I've only completed 2 stages (halberd is not complete yet
Green- Spam nades here!
Blue- Your dead
Battlefield
Final Destination
Halberd 1st transition
[VIST] Specific tactics
Like what I said, you can do anything with grenades. You can make tactics or maybe some cool techs out of it. With the many tactics you can create, you can mix them up to confuse your opponent. Very useful to do. Here some things you should know before sharing a tactic:
Name of the tactic
Stage: (Where it works)
Style: (Approach, defense or strategy)
Type: (Wall, retreat, formation or anti tactic)
[Description here]
Rating: [Depends on you guys]
Anti-aerial and ground tactic
Stage: FD
Style: Defense/ Semi- approach
Type: Anti tactic/wall
Gray area- Wave bounce with C4
Green area- Soft throw nade then medium throw nade
Red arrow- DACUS through
C4 serves as a "wall". The soft thrown nade will take care of those aerial campers/ approachers. The medium thrown nade will make it a bit dangerous for the enemy to land (if air) or approach (if ground) so usually, their options will "limit". The DACUS is optional. If the tactic holds the enemy, continue doing the routine but if the enemy is near you, DACUS to another area.
Rating: N/A
Explosive dribbling
Style: Defensive
Type: Retreating, wall
Very useful tactic imo. All you need to do is throw a nade downards then walk away from the enemy then shield drop a nade then throw the dropped nade downwards. Repeatedly do this until your away from the enemy. You can also glide toss with this but I'm not sure if it's that useful with GT. This only works against melee characters. It's not useful against those characters with projectiles.
Rating: N/A
Mobile stage controller
Style: Defensive
Type: Wall
Gray area- C4
Yellow area- Land mine
Green area- Soft throw grenade
Mobile camping can control the stage very well. Mines and land mines will cause the enemy to be cautious about it. This can also deal with those annoying aerial approaches/campers or use this tactic to stay away from those ground oriented characters.
Rating: N/A
Grenade madness
Style: Strategy
Type: Formation
Certain conditions:
If you meet the certain conditions, the next thing you should do is F-tilt the opponent. I'm sure the grenade will explode. While the enemy gets sent flying, medium throw a grenade the pull out another grenade then shield drop it whenever you want to. There's also another way on using this tactic. After f-tilting (or kneeing) the opponent, medium throw a grenade when the enemy is about to do an aerial attack then after that, soft-throw a grenade.
- Enemy has a grenade on hand
- Your relatively near him
VII. Specific situationsSnake can get into some nasty situations in during battle. Let's go over the dumb things that can occur against Snake.
[VIICG] Chaingrabbing >.>
Seriously, this will be the hardest problem Snake will deal with. Snake is a super heavy weight and he has fast falling speed. He's also a very big target. Let us see the characters who can chain grab Snake:
(D-throw) [---%]
One of the hardest chain grabs to handle. Since DDD has the best chain grab in the game, he's big trouble. How to handle his CG, pull out a nade then get grabbed then hope DDD hits the nade.
(D-throw) [45-50%]
Another hard chain grab to deal with. How to deal with it? Pull out a nade in the middle of the chain grab but if the chain grab of Falco is near-frame perfect, it's unescapable. Also, you can mention that if he takes you to the edge to spike you, you can SDI the Dair into the stage and tech. Or you can meteor cancel the spike as well.
Bunny:3 said:
[Infinite]
If you get grabbed, you're dead.
But(Due to their small grab range) to grab, take advantage of that with your long ranged attacks.
Also Snake can SDI that footstool ice block at higher percents
(F-throw) [60%]
(D-throw) VV Down here
KayLo!]Snake (ver. 1): 0%-83% + regrab (fthrow x2 > pummel > dthrow x3 > pummel > dthrow x5 > grab) Snake (ver. 2): 10%-90% + regrab (fthrow > pummel > dthrow x10 > grab) Snake (ver. 3): 0%-90% + regrab (fthrow to ledge > dthrow to 90% or below (must begin dthrow by 30%))[/QUOTE] D-throw chain grab is easy to deal with unless it's on the ledge. If it's not said:[VIIC]Campers[/COLOR]
Snake isn't the only camper in the game. There are still some other campers out there. Some of them are outcamped by Snake, some of them OUTCAMP Snake. Let's look around and see their ability -_o
Olimar..... he outcamps us slightly or maybe hard. Though, some people argue it's equal but some argue that Olimar outcamps Snake. Let's go through his pikmins first:
How to deal with it? Here's a summary by bizkit:Finolimar said:Red (Indian) Pikmin
Element: Fire
Flight Path: Small arc
Distance Covered: Far
Damage per Latch: 2%
Durability- 9%
Speed- Normal
Hierarchy Order: 1
Bio: Red pikmin are immune to fire meaning any type of fire attack like Charizard’s flamethrower or Snake’s mines will have no effect on them. They also have the best power on your aerials. A red fair is a viable kill move.
Yellow (Asian) Pikmin
Element: Electric
Flight Path: High arc
Distance covered: Medial
Damage per latch: 2%
Durability- 9%
Speed- Normal
Hierarchy Order: 2
Bio: Similar to the reds immunity to fire, yellow pikmin are completely un-harmed when it comes to electrical attacks, such as Zelda’s usmash or half of Pikachu’s moveset. While some pikmin are blatantly out prioritized by attacks, this is where yellows shine. Their hit boxes are massive and thus priority becomes less of an issue. The hit boxes are vastly wider on his smashes as well. Meaning the already large hit box of usmash and fsmash are even larger (usmash horizontally fsmash vertically). You know what that means… bigger hitboxes = bigger sweet spots :D. Yellows specialize in combos due to added hit stun as well as being weaker allow you to string combos together easier. They also have a different trajectory when thrown - they slightly arc higher.
Blue (Mexican) Pikmin
Element: Water
Flight Path: Small arc
Distance Covered: Far
Damage per latch: 2%
Durability: 14%
Speed: Normal
Hierarchy Order: 3
Bio: Blue pikmin are very durable and able to survive in water. Blue specialize in throws and lucky for us their grab range, along with the whites, is one of the longest. Blues are the only pikmin that survive in water, all other colors will drown in a short time.
White (WHITEY) Pikmin
Element: Poison
Flight Path: Straight
Distance covered: Very far
Damage per latch: 6%
Durability: 4%
Speed: Fast
Hierarchy Order: 4
Bio: White pikmin don’t have stamina, priority, knockback, nothing. Like other white mammalian creatures they give up under any physical threat and turn into ghosts. However, they are good for two things: latching and grabbing. They have the highest latch damage of all pikmin… if you land one of these leeches on someone they better get it off quick because it *****. Also grabbing is good with them, but make sure to use your pummel as these suckers deal a lot of pummel damage as well. Their low knockback lets you do throw combos at higher percents than you would normally be able to. Keep track of whites in your line, they are the most expendable of your minions – pluck’em and chuck’em… you don’t want to miss a golden opportunity for a kill by accidently smashing with a white.
Purple (Black) Pikmin
Element: Normal
Flight Path: Small arc
Distance covered: Short
Damage per hit: 6%
Durability: 15%
Speed: Slow
Hierarchy Order: 5
Bio: Grape’n’****. A misconception that Nintendo has made is that these are purple pikmin, when in fact they are black. Why? Affirmative action claims I need more black pikmin in this thread, thus I’ve re-named purple pikmin as black. From the abundance of fried chicken they consume ‘purple’ pikmin have become the heavy weights of the crew. Fatties, as they are sometimes called, can knock people when thrown (a very high priority projectile). These pikmin are just pure power. Usmash kills DDD at 82% (fresh with no DI). At low percents grabs with purple pikmin are almost instantly broken out of, though you should save any grabs with purples for uthrow kills.
Bizkit047 said:
Falco's lasers are difficult do deal with. His lasers are capable of exploding Snake's grenades. Falco OUTCAMPS Snake (But overall, Snake is still better than Falco in camping) but the good thing is that Snake can crouch against Falco's lasers again "but" this is solved by ledge hopped lasers but who cares anyway.
Falco can't spam that all day. Snake can shield those ledge-hopped lasers and crouch Falco's lasers at the same time. One major problem, Snake can't pull out a nade because of Falco's quick lasers. To solve it, shield the lasers then when he lands or holds the ledge, quickly pull out a nade then throw it on Falco then you can now b-stick a nade.
Another way is pulling out a nade when he's going to land then powershield the next set of lasers he'll blast out when he jumps again. The advantage is that the powershielding part will shield drop the grenade so when Falco lands or grabs the ledge, pikc up your nade then throw it on Falco.
luke_atyeo said:
PS is arrows
PS his gyros and lasers and camp against him.
Needles are pretty hard to see. I don't play Shiek a lot
Wolf's lasers are more powerful than Fox and Falco's. The good thing is that his lasers have a noticeable amount of cooldown so PS, punish and avoid getting hit by the melee attack.
AD her turnips or hit it with any tilt or just jab. For bob-oms, you need to explode it safely. You can use U-tilt.You don't get damaged or hit.
Toon Link's projectiles are like Links. Toon Link can mix up his projectiles with his z-air so camping him is not as easy as it seems. PS his projectiles and camp him back or camp him and lure him to Snake them tech chase Toon Link. Toon Link isn't easy to handle however so be careful.
Link's arrows are fairly easy to powershield. His gale boomerang can mess up our grenades when we pull out a grenade. When we jump, they can direct their boomerang to us so this is a matter of quick throwing. As for Link's bombs, you can air dodge catch them but remember that Link can throw out 2 bombs. To deal with his bombs, powershield then roll away from it. Up-tilt can explode Link's bombs. Don't worry. You don't get hit or damaged.
PS her very slow projectiles.
[VIIAOC] Aerial oriented characters
Snake has terrible aerials. Some characters specialties are aerials which will be very troublesome for Snake. Let us see what Snake can do.
Jigglypuff is easy to deal with however, the main problem is that she can stay air borne for a long time thanks to her high air mobility and her 5-mid air jumps and what makes it worse is her good aerials. Thanks to your high-priority and disjointed ranged U-tilt and F-tilt, you can extend your range to Jigglypuff. DACUS is great for aerial chasing Jigglypuff. One more advantage is that Jigglypuff has no recovery. Jump throwing with grenades is fine as long your not so near Jigglypuff. Good thing she has short range.
Kirby has slow air speed however his aerials are quick, powerful and they can knockback harder than you think. Whatever you do, STICK TO THE GROUND. Use soft-medium throw grenades. You can also use aerial grenade throws and DACUS to aerial chase and aerial chase punish.
Meh. MK's aerials are lightning fast and they can rack up damage pretty darn well. Just keep avoiding everything. Nope, it's not easy at all. To be honest as a Snake main (No all Snake mains), always had a difficult time against MK not only his aerials but generally everything about him so good luck.
Marth's aerials are a big threat to Snake. The range and sweetspot is threatening and you'd be watching out for Tipped or spaced f-airs. Never get close to Marth or else one close encounter and your a dead man. You should also know camping Marth is hard so countering his aerials requires true skill, hard camping and mix ups. Avoid being predictable.
[VIIDCM] Dealing with certain moves
Laggy attacks- Notably Ike and Ganondorf's attacks are great examples for this. Most of the time, all your tilt's would be best to use. Grabbing can be a good option also. F-smash is also a pretty good but risky option. You can only use this against Falcon punch and Warlock punish or Ike's F-smash. I'll classify the options to make it more clear:
Killing the enemy:
- U-tilt
- F-smash
Racking up damage:
- F-tilt
- Grab
- D-tilt
Fast attacks- MK, MK, MK..... Obviously MK. Fast attacks arevery hard to predict and powershield. To deal with it, you need to have very good predicting. As in VERY GOOD predicting. That's all. Don't ask for another method against this. Just PS in the right timing.
Killing the enemy:
- U-tilt
- F-smash
Racking up damage:
- F-tilt
- Projectiles
Long ranged attacks- Snake and Marth's attacks are good examples of this. Your best option overall would be F-tilt 1. Though, Marth's F-air has more range than F-tilt 1 if it's well spaced. Also Marth's D-tilt can nearly outrange Snake. Against Marth's F-air and D-tilt, you can use your grenades.
Killing the enemy:
- Projectiles
Racking up damage:
- Projectiles
DACUS- You can shield/PS all the DACUS in the game or you can just knee them. Some DACUS have high priority, some have low priority. Knee the low priority DACUS then PS/shield the high priority DACUS.
Killing the enemy:
- U-tilt
- F-tilt
Racking up damage:
- Machine gun jab
Fast and strong attacks- The gay moves which we all know: Snake's U-tilt, Snake's F-tilt, MK's N-air and D-smash and all other flaws in the game are a pain to deal with. Snake's moves may be fast but it's highly punishable. You should NEVER go close combat (Soldier Style) and switch to Camping/Defensive combat (Solid Style).
Killing the enemy:
- Projectiles
Racking up damage:
- Projectiles
Aerial attacks- We all know one thing about our good pal Snake... He sucks at the air. That's why most Snakes stick to the ground or maybe a little above the ground. Dealing with these attacks require sheer skill. Try soft-throwing a grenade. The soft-throw usually gets thrown up into the air. You can either jump and soft throw or on ground.
Killing the enemy:
- Grenades if it is high %
- U-tilt
Racking up damage:
- Soft thrown grenades
- Grab
VIII. When Snake is sent flyingSnake is known to be the 3rd heaviest character in the game so he's one of the characters which are harder to KO. However, if you know how to DI, you might as well live until around 150% or even more. Some characters that can gimp well may kill Snake fast. Also, some attacks possess very high knockback so you need to find ways on how to survive on getting KO'd. There are 2 ways on how to survive:
[VIIIDI] Directional Influence
Directional Influence, or DI, is a property in Brawl that allows you to control the direction you are sent flying after a hit. DI is input during the hitlag phase of the attack, and there are multiple ways to properly do it.
There are 3 types of DI:
Regular DI- This is where you hold a direction with the control stick as you are getting hit, and it will affect your momentum. This is the simplest way to DI.
Smash DI- This is where you tap the c-stick in a direction when you are hit.
Tap DI- which is tapping the control stick a direction when you are hit.
All of these methods work on single hit moves. It also works on multi-hit moves but it requires rapid analog/C- sticking. It is, however, possible to break out of it early. You can a) simply hold up (regular DI), and you will get out of it near the end, or b) rapidly tap both sticks straight up, which will cause to pop out in 1-3 hits. Some attacks are really hard to DI out of even though if they're DI'able. Notably Zelda's u-smash and MK's tornado (Or nado for short). The basic rule is that if you're going to get hit horizontally, DI up; if you're going to get hit up, DI towards the side.
[VIIIMC] Momentum cancel
Momentum canceling is gaining control of yourself while your sent flying. During or while your sent flying, you can use an aerial attack (In other words, attacking in air) or you can AD (Also known as Air dodge) after the hitsun but before the hitsun, you can control your momentum. After using your neutral aerial or AD, you can use your special moves then you can start changing your momentum. There are certain air attacks to use whenever you knocked off in a certain direction:
Vertically:
- D-air
- Fast fall U-air
- Fast fall B-air
Horizontally:
- B-air
- F-air
- D-air
- Air dodge
IX. Mindgames anyone?Unlike Melee, Brawl revolves around defense and MINDGAMES. Mindgames consist of predicting the opponent or outsmarting the opponent. It usually tends to make the opponent make a big mistake. Sometimes, you can't always rely on the virtual advantages and disadvantages but you need to rely on your brains. This type of "I don't know what you call it" thing involves person vs person.
Find the pattern of the enemy- If you know it, you can predict and find a way on how to counteract the pattern. It really messes up the enemy if it succeed. The enemy is forced to make more tactics/patterns after that. That's why there is such thing as MIXING UP. To deal with those mix up shenanigans, always remain calm and patient and stay away from the opponent then wait for a decent spot to punish.
Defense and scan- Defense is very important. I know that it's a slow playstyle but it's a very safe and reliable way to play especially if your battling against characters like Pikachu, Marth or Meta Knight. While camping/defending, scan the enemy and see that type of playstyle he uses then you predict it and take it to your advantage. Yo do this, you need to SPAM. Spamming projectiles will distract and pressure the opponent at the same time, it will leave open spots. Well just call it camping
Mix up and be unpredictable- Very important to mix up. If you don't you might mess up and get killed. You also need to be unpredictable so you can avoid getting "predicted".
C4 and mines- These tools are great for epic mind gaming. Mines can camoflauge through the platforms at Lylat and it explodes whenever an enemy is contacted with it. C4 is great mind game since you can detonate it anytime which gives you free will whether to detonate it or not. You can use a STICKY C4 to punish roll spammers.
Annoy your opponent- Funnest mind game yet. Annoying your opponent will cause the opponent to get angry and furiously play recklessly. This also leaves a lot of open spots to punish which makes it sooo good. There are several ways on how to annoy the opponent (Taunting xD)
List of taunts:
- Machine gun a jab
- Crouch several times
- Talk in real life and keep teasing him/her
- Tell him/her that he/she stinks in Brawl
- Tell him/her that he/she fails at life
- Dash dancing :3
- Ask a random non-sense question
X. Play styles anyone? Super Smash Bros. Brawl is an extremely vast an complex game, as most fighting games are. This means that there are an infinite amount of ways to play each and every character, whether it be offensively, defensively, etc. I know this is relatively the same with the knowing your Snake things. This is just a "more in depth" thing.
Soldier style (Approach and kill)
This style focuses on approaching the enemy and dealing insane damage to the enemy. This style is rarely used since Brawl revolves around defense and mind games. I can't much about this. Not much Snakes use this style since it might leave some spots that can be punished hard. This is why most Snakes excel on defense and mind games, but sometimes, this style may be of use. Approaching with Snake may be risky but it's still has it's pros. First off, Snake's tilts and attacks dealt a lot of damage. His dash attack is somewhat hard to punish and it's safe on shields. DACUS can approach aerial campers well but it can't do well against ground oriented characters. Projectiles spam isn't that hard for Snake to deal with (Excluding Falco's lasers). Most of his attacks can clank or negate projectiles. Remember, you have to keep your attacks from staling. Grenades can also be used to approach. Just because it's a projectiles, doesn't mean it's only meant for solid style (defense). B-reversals are the main approach option with nades. It can start approaches from mixed up landings. You can also jump towards the enemy while pulling out a grenade. Just keep a distance when jumping. Snake's approach isn't all bad, it's pretty good. It's just that sometimes, it's best to go for solid or big boss style.
What to do:
- Use jabs and tilts more often
- Be careful of your approaches
- Whenever you're open for punishment, retreat
- Approach with nades.
- Use DA against the enemy. Snake's DA is very safe but not always. Some attacks can punish DA.
- When your at a high percent, switch to solid style
Solid style (Camp and defense)
This style focuses on punishing and camping the enemy. This style is widely use by most Snake mains since Snake is generally a defensive character. This kind of style revolves around spamming grenades and putting C4s and mines in front of Snake for defense. Compared to other types of defenses, this is not like the usual slow damaging. Snake's grenades do some pretty good damage and they have a massive hitbox. This makes Snake one of the campers who can deal such large damage. His tilts, jabs and grabs are very useful for spacing due to their powerful knockback, very long reach/range and incredible priority and damage. This is also a very good style for Snake since Snake has such incredible ground games. Keep in mind that you need to keep grounded in this style. If you don't use this style well, you might get punished while camping so it's really important to stay on guard and be sharp. Also, punish the enemy when you can. While playing defensively, you can also use your tools to make tactics and patterns then you can mix them up. This style also has some slight mind gaming. Remember, Snake can get attacked by his own projectiles so you have to use them carefully. If you wanna avoid getting hit by your ow nades then be ready to grenade strip. Like the opponent, you should also be cautious of your mines and C4s cause these things can kill you at a relatively low percent for a super heavyweight character but usually, it's the enemy that is actually more cautious about Snake's mines and C4s. You'll also need to use your OoS cause it can lead to a lot of good follow ups. Remember, whenever the explosion's hitbox gets contact with an uncooked or "did not explode" grenade or a land mine, that certain thing will explode along with it. This makes things way safer for Snake at the same time, it increases the blast radius and hitbox. Another explosive starter is the C4. Whenever there is a grenade beside it or a land mine, the certain tool explodes along with the C4. This just proves that campnig can also be used by means of spacing at the same time for camping. You know that the knee has a disjointed hitbox right? The hitbox is so disjointed, it can explode a land mine if well-spaced with out Snake getting harmed. Remember, take it easy and play slowly and patiently. Snake's camping will be at his best if you don't play to fast.
What to do:
- Camp with your projectiles
- Spam grenades
- Use C4s and mines to defend you
- Use your tools to mind game
- Make some tactics
- Mix up your tactics
- Stay sharp and be cautious about your projectiles and the enemy
- Avoid leaving open spots
- Punish when you can
- When in trouble, DACUS to another area
Big boss style (Adapt)
This style adapts on offense and defense. First of all, snakes defense game is obviously very very good and can force opponents into weird positions where they have issues and are forced into only choosing a certain situation. But just explosives alone cant force a smart player into getting stuck, it takes a style of slowly working your way into setting up traps and getting close to limit their options even further by putting yourself there in a sort of intimidating manner to scare them into the certain situations where you can force your **** on them. Like, lets say that they're near the edge and you just short tossed a nade, strip it and throw another one up from somewhere towards the middle of the stage and you decide you ahve the space to get in and wait for them to attempt avoiding it. At this point, you'll be left with options to follow up where they can go, they can try to air dodge into it or away, spot dodge, try to shield, or jump over it while air dodging or using their second jump. Or maybe just grabbing the edge if they are close enough and can do it in time. With snake near the nades you just tossed up to form a small wall, they will probably try to get away in this situation. You can try to mortar slide to the edge and throw up something they are afraid of and make them try to escape so you can follow up, or if they get back to the edge you can do various nade combinations to force walls along with mortars and get close where their options are even more limited. Its situations like this where snake racks damage quickly and can reset his position to continue the process and keep playing how he feels, whether its getting the lead and forcing them to approach you, or just scaring them at higher percents by approaching with small traps to aid you. Like dropping a nade and doing utilt. They can approach and get blown up after a shield or spot dodge, or just walk away. Sometimes they may even get hit by one while you can just get away.
What to do:
- Adapt to both solid and soldier style
- Mix up both styles
- Avoid over approaching. Over defending is okay. Just don't over do it in this style
- Form defensive walls and mix it up with approaches
- Just adapt! If you feel unsafe with this style, switch to pure solid style
Credit to Nappy (Napzz)
Mantis style (Mindgames)
This style emphasizes on mind games. Snake has 3 tools that can mind game. The C4, land mine and NIKITA. The C4 is very good mind game tool for may reasons. First off, you can detonate it whenever you want. You have free will over it. This means you can make some very nice strategies that can outsmart the opponent. Like what I said, when the blast radius of this tool comes in contact with a grenade or landmine. You can mind game the opponent with this one by making them FOCUS ON YOU INSTEAD OF THE C4. Land mines can CAMOFLUAGE ON THE PLATFORMS IN LYLAT. If you pause the game, you'll see the land mine at the second layer of the platform. Mix this up with grabs. You can grab the enemy then b-throw or d-throw them to the land mine. Land mines can also be relatively UNSEEN. This only works in bright stages such as Delfino Plaza, battlefield etc. NIKITA can be considered as a mind game tool. We all know that NIKITA isn't that useful since Snake has better options BUT, this actually can mind game well. while you are sent flying, the enemy is obviously focused on you. You can shoot a NIKITA and drop it then after that, you can grab the enemy and let the missile drop on him or just throw him unto the rocket. Snake's mind games are very dependent on outsmarting the opponent. Use this style well.
What to do:
- Be smart and always be creative
- Taunt a lot! It might get the enemy pi**** and it will make him off-guard
- Be careful when using this style. You might mind game yourself
- Don't let the enemy use your tools against you and don't get fooled
CQC style (Grabbing)
This style focuses on countering enemies with grabs. This is another style that's useful and important for all Snakes to know. Snake's grabs have different functions. D-throw is for tech chases and follow ups. F-throw is for not KO'ing enemies but bringing them off-stage. B-throw KOs the enemy while U-throw is for throwing enemy upwards into a land mine or mortar. Grab jab (choke hold) is great for refreshing your attacks. Snake grab can grab release against characters (See the data at the move set section). This style is also good if you mix it up with solid/defensive style. The main use of this style is to tech chase, rack up damage, KO or start edgeguarding phases and refreshing your attacks.
What to do:
- Mix up
- Use each grabs uses
XI. Follow ups Snake has some pretty good follow-ups. Thanks to his jab, f-tilt 1 (knee) and d-throw, he has some pretty good follow ups. Let's take a look:
2 follow-ups:
Knee-->U-tilt
Knee-->F-tilt
F-tilt--> Buffered DA
Jab 1--> F-tilt
Jab 1--> U-tilt
Jab 1--> Grab
D-throw-->(If get up attack) D-throw
D-throw-->(If get up attack) U-tilt
D-throw-->(If get up attack) F-tilt
D-throw-->(If get up attack) D-tilt
D-throw-->(If get up attack) Jab 1
D-throw-->(If F-roll) DA
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee
D-throw-->(If F-roll) F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn F-tilt
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn U-tilt
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn grab
3 follow ups:
Utilt->*opponent falls helplessly*->a one-jab-jab lock->fmash
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Knee
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> F-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> U-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab
Sour spot U-air--> U-tilt--> SH sweet spot U-air
D-throw--> (If F-roll) Dash--> grab--> D-throw
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn grab--> D-throw
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn grab--> F-throw
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn grab--> U-throw
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn grab--> B-throw
D-throw-->(If get up attack) Jab 1--> Knee
D-throw-->(If get up attack) Jab 1--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> Knee
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> D-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> U-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> Jab 1
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee--> D-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee--> U-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee--> Jab 1
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee--> Jab 1
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee--> Knee
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee--> U-tilt
4 follow ups:
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee--> Knee--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee--> Jab 1--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> Jab 1--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee--> Jab 1--> F-tilt
D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee--> Knee--> F-tilt
D-throw--> (If get up attack) Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Knee
D-throw--> (If get up attack) Jab 1--> Jab 2--> F-tilt
5 or above follow ups:
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab--> D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee--> Knee--> F-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If get up attack) D-throw
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If get up attack) U-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If get up attack) F-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If get up attack) D-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If get up attack) Jab 1
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If F-roll) DA
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If F-roll) Knee
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If F-roll) F-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If F-roll) Stutter Knee
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn knee
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn F-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn U-tilt
Jab 1--> Jab 2--> Grab-->D-throw-->(If B-roll) Turn grab
Projectile follow ups (Or whatsoever)
Original thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=289211So I discovered a new technique or strategy that not enough Snake players employ into their play. I first started using about 6 months ago and now I think its time we all start using it. Theres more than 1 variation of this technique each with similar but different effects.
Method 1: D-Smash, Grenade Drop, Roll Dodge/Jump Away - Stales Mine x1
Method 2: Grenade Drop, D-Smash, Grenade Drop, Roll Dodge/Jump Away- Stales Grenade x2
Method 3: Grenade Drop, SH, C4 Drop, Second Jump, C4 Detonate - Stales C4 x1
Method 4: D-smash, Hit Mine with Nikita - Stales Mine x1 AND Nikita x1 NEW
Method 5: D-Smash, Fsmash on Mine - Stales Fsmash x1 NEW
Method 6: Dsmash, SH, C4 Drop, Second Jump, C4 Detonate - Stales C4 x1 NEW
Method 7: C4 Drop, Grenade Drop, Dsmash, Jump, C4 Detonate - Stales C4 x1 AND Grenade x1 NEW
Why would you ever do this? Well its simple. What this is doing is you are controlling what attacks you stale and refresh. For example, using method 1 you will stale your D-Smash while refreshing all your other moves. Using method 2, you will stale your grenade 2x and refresh all your other moves twice and with method 3 you stale your C4.
Now some people might think that its not all that useful, but I tested the diminishing returns extensively and ended up finding out that each successive staling of a move reduces the damage and knockback of that move by roughly 10%. You know those times where you U-tilt and they allllllmoooost die? Well, had you refreshed your attacks 1 minute earlier, your ftilt may have done that extra 2% damage that enabled your u-tilt to finish them off. Lets not forget also that if your U-tilt was already once staled when it allllllmoooost killed, it would now be even more fresh and would surely do the job. Every damage % counts and the ability to control what moves are staled is tremendously useful.
Pros/Cons of each method:
Method 1: Stales D-Smash. D-Smash is generally a pretty useless move against most enemies and so is the most desirable move to stale. It is relatively fast to perform this method and two can be performed after a Star KO and one after a horizontal KO.
Method 2: Stales Grenade x2. Doing this once is faster than doing Method 1 twice however the timing is slightly more strict and you will be staling your grenades which you dont really want to be doing (unless your on high %'s and you'll be blowing yourself up with nades in order to survive KO moves).
Method 3: Stales C4. This is easily the fastest method and can be performed mid-battle relatively easily and seamlessly. Staling C4 means you may be able to survive your own C4 offstage at higher %'s where you otherwise wouldn't. This method is my favourite since it can be used mid-battle quickly.
All 3 methods can be used while the opponent is offstage without risk of being interrupted (obviously, since they are offstage). Also, consider the non-approach sections of Pokemon Stadium 1 a chance to completely refresh all your attacks
XII. StagesStages are very important for all Snakes to know. Stages can affect Snake's play style. Some elements of the stage may be beneficial for Snake. Some may be annoying. Stages is geometry. You attacks and tools are affected by the physics of the environment. Some elements halter Snake from winning. There are certain elements in all stages. These are:
Blast zone- These are the zones where in you "explode" or get KO'ed.
Platforms- Thin grounds where you can go through by tapping the analog downwards. You cannot tech against this. Also, most platforms has no ledge (Excluding the ones in Norfair). Whenever you get sent flying, you GO THROUGH this. Not bump.
Ground- The big/hollow part of a stage. You can bump this part of a stage and you can tech this part. You can't go through it.
Misc- Some special effects such as acid, lava, stupid flying shy guys and balloons.
XIII. Camouflaged mines and C4sC4 and mine is awesome. They are pure mind game tools and what makes it better is that they can be camouflaged on the ground due to brightness/darkness issues in stages. Doesn't matter. You should take advantage of that and use it against your opponent.
1.) Battlefield
Legend:
Yellow- Good place to keep mine
Gray- Good place to keep C4
What is the better weapon? C4 or mine?
All I can say is that the day changes in BF. Turns bright to dark. So the camoflauge mine depends on the day in BF.
Morning:
Pros:
- C4s are best placed on the edge if the enemy should be edgeguarded. The better part of the C4 on the edge is that you can detonate it when you want to.
- Land mine is considered to be the most "camouflaged or unseen" in this part of BF.
Cons:
- The problem with the land mine is that you can't see it that well so you might make a mistake of stepping on it.
How to solve these disadvantages:
- Focus on 3 things: The enemy, C4 and the proximity mine (P-mine). It may sound hard but it actually isn't. Have a good memory and be smart. Don't think slow.
Afternoon/Mid:
Pros:
- You can see all your mines and C4s so no worries about hitting yourself
Cons:
- Your enemy can see your C4 and mine too
(I don't really know much about night part
Things you should know:
- If you are against characters who can bias BF easily (Marth...) you'd have more disadvantages (Vice versa)
- Brightness and darkness can effect these pros and cons.
2.) Final Destination
Pros:
- The background really helps make your mines unseen.
- The place is very big so it gives Snake a lot of space to confuse, camp and mix up.
- You can put out every mine on every spot of this stage. Recommended to be put on the edges.
Cons:
- You are human therefore you will also step on your C4 or mine and fail. That's pretty much the disadvantage in most stages.
How to solve these disadvantages:
- Use the background and the plain ground stage to your advantage. Cover up the opponent's mind with a lot of things so he can stop focusing on your mines
Things you should know:
- Don't worry about Diddy in this stage. The whole thing about Diddy being **** in FD isn't that clear in the Diddy Snake match up.
- You have the upper hand against most characters in this stage
- Still, avoid bringing characters such as Falco and all other characters who can do better than you.
3.) Halberd
Pros:
-The platform on top makes the land mine (Yes) and C4 so unnoticeable. Some opponents forget about it.
- The part where you're on top of the halberd is quite big enough to throw mines and C4s around.
- The usefulness of the two depends on how you use them and where you put them.
Cons:
- For aerial characters, you might get haltered from the platform
How to solve these disadvantages:
- Camp like hell
- Use Range and Power to your advantage
- Mindgames
- Psychological skills
Things you should know:
- Pretty much the most advantageous stage for you. Use the Vertical KOs to you're advantage.
4.) Smashville
[Still making write-up]
Are there any more questions to add? If there is, tell me.
You can help complete this section by contributing.
XIV. The controllerThere are players who don't use the GC controller. They use the classical controller, the wiimote or the wiichuk combo. These controllers can affect Snake's gameplay especially since this guide focuses on GC controller default mapping. If you are not a GC user, might as well read this.
[XIVCC] Compatible controllers
Wiichuk combo
Known users:
UltimateRazer
Summary:
Wiimote with nunchuk is an interesting control setup. The default controls aren't that tight due to the limited number of buttons but it still works well. One of the interesting features of the wiimote and nunchuk is the shake smash. Shake smash enables you to smash by shaking the wiimote up, down, left or right. The purpose of the shake smash is to be the "C-stick" of the wiimote and nunchuk. The problem is that you need to keep your hand steady because if you accidentally shake your wiimote, you will smash by accident and you will be open for punishment. The good thing is that it's actually quick and easy to do. Asides from Shake smash, there is another way to smash easily and that is changing the D-pad's function to a smash command. It's better than the shake smash option and it's actually a beneficial option to the wiimote nunchuk users. If you're used to the shake smash already, don't switch the D-pad's command to smash.
Wiimote
Known users:
No one
Classic controller
Known users:
???
[XIVSVT] C-sticking VS A-sticking
What is A-sticking? A-sticking is moving the control stick at any direction at the same time pressing the A button. Doing this will cause Snake to do a smash attack. However, c-sticking is a faster and easier way to smash. C-sticking still has its downs and maybe A-sticking has some advantages. Let's take a look at the pros and cons:
C-sticking
Pros:
- Aerials are easier to utilize
- One of Snake's important inputs in utilizing DACUS
- Faster and easier execution
- Throwing objects like grenades is easier.
Cons:
- Can't use neutral aerial
- Auto fastfall
A-sticking
Pros:
- No auto fastfall
- Can do neutral aerial
- Throwing objects like grenades is easier. It's equal with c-sticking to be honest
Cons:
- Not hard to do but it requires 2 buttons (A and control stick)
- Tap jump... (Off tap jump)
- Accidental tilt attacks may leave an open spot for punishment
[XIVCM] Control mapping
1.) C-stick
(Attack)
Changing the C-stick configuration to attack has its ups and downs. Personally, I'd stay with the c-stick with the smash input. First of all, using tilts are way faster. We all know Snake's tilts are fast, strong and they have broken range. Simply flicking the c-stick to the left or to the right to do an f-tilt, flicking it up to do a u-tilt and flicking it down to do a d-tilt. The critical problem with this mapping though is that we can't DACUS with out contact. DACUS is one of Snake's staple advanced techniques. It enables Snake to move faster while shooting a rocket. Overall, this mapping is pretty decent but I'd stay with the c-stick being the smash attack. I'm not stopping you. If you think you are more comfortable with this then why not use it?
2.) Y button
(Attack)
[Still in progress]
~ Yes (Easy)
~ Yes (Very Hard)![](http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/16387/stages_rainbowcruise.jpg"]this picture quite a bit)
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