Vivian for Brawl thread!

[ThoraxeRMG]

I want to have Vivian being playable, but I doubt she will be in.

Wasn't Vivian male in the Japanese game?
Or is this wrong?

Due to a line of the Japanese version of Paper Mario 2 where Vivian's Shadow Siren sister Beldam called her a "Man', and true to the nativeness of that is Mario, he believes and refers to Vivian as a male in his journal.

There is a controversy about Vivian's true gender in the original Japanese version; some claim that she is a pretty boy (a bishounen). However, in the Japanese version, Beldam of the "Three Shadows Group" uses the word majotachi, which refers to a group of sorceresses, to refer to them. Words like her, she, and sisters are also used. Unlike most characters that undergo major changes during translation, Vivian maintains her (female) name in both the English and Japanese versions. Beldam often calls Vivian "Man", but this could be Beldam's way of insulting Vivian (in the English Version, this insult has been changed to Vivian being called 'Plug-Ugly'). More telling is that the menu information describes Vivian as a male, though this also could be a joke showing that Mario (who is supposedly journaling the adventure) misheard that Vivian was male.

 

[Enigma14]

Theres controversy over Birdo's gender as well >.>

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Actually Snake and Sonic were planned ever since the last 1, PT was a unexpected newcomer same with ICs returning

But we didn't know they were being planned. At least I'm pretty sure it wasn't known....(not before snake was revealed to the public anyway)

So in the same way Vivian could have been planned by nintendo since melee.....but they just havn't revealed it yet.

 

[Mysteryfox1]

I think Vivian would be a great character addition she has even more Pro's then Geno

 

[Enigma14]

But we didn't know they were being planned. At least I'm pretty sure it wasn't known....(not before snake was revealed to the public anyway)

So in the same way Vivian could have been planned by nintendo since melee.....but they just havn't revealed it yet.

Wrong. Snake's creator was begging for Snake to be in Melee but due to time he couldn't be added. Vivian wasn't even considered for melee since her game came out a couple of YEARS AFTER Melee was released.

I know we're on the same side and all but please do your research.

Her chances are better then Geno's but she doesn't have legs and that could be a set back for her.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

How did anyone know about it? Was it all over the internet as soon as snakes creater started begging?

even if it was known that he was begging it didn't actually mean snake WOULD get in brawl did it?

They were still suprises, I definitly would never have guessed Sakurai would even consider Snake no matter how much begging was done.
If someone told me when melee was out that snake was going to be in brawl I would most likly laughed at them...

Oh and this may be off topic, but does Another code: Trace memorys on the DS belong to Nintendo? I thought of that today, it's strange nobody seems to have mentioned it anywhere....

 

[CT Chia]

no its stupid. how can she jump? she cant.

ok this post isnt just a pointless flame (but how can she jump!?)

viv is a mad cool character from paper mario 2, but there are too many things against her from being in brawl.

1. if any paper mario character was in, it would be one featured in super paper mario. that is the most recent game in the series, and started in dev before brawl was, so sakurai is very aware of the game
2. paper mario isnt even confirmed
3. she cant jump
4. not enough of a major character
5. too many mario franchise characters. granted there will prob be another new one or two, but they need to have more of a focus in their game than viv (alluding back to num 4)

 

[Sabrewulf238]

no its stupid. how can she jump? she cant.

ok this post isnt just a pointless flame (but how can she jump!?)

viv is a mad cool character from paper mario 2, but there are too many things against her from being in brawl.

1. if any paper mario character was in, it would be one featured in super paper mario. that is the most recent game in the series, and started in dev before brawl was, so sakurai is very aware of the game
2. paper mario isnt even confirmed
3. she cant jump
4. not enough of a major character
5. too many mario franchise characters. granted there will prob be another new one or two, but they need to have more of a focus in their game than viv (alluding back to num 4)

Actually vivian can jump in the paper mario games, when paper mario jumps upwards vivian also jumps upwards, yes she's connected to the ground but she can still move upwards.

1. Who say's it has to be from the most recent game? I never heard sakurai say "Only characters from the most recent game in their series will be playable in brawl". The ice climbers games aren't very recent are they? I believe a character can come from any game or any point in nintendos history.

2. and that's against her how? paper mario may still be revealed....so you can't really call that a valid reason.

3.See above

4. It's not all about being a major character, where did people get this into there heads that a character HAD to be a major character to be playable in brawl? I don't think sakurai ever said it. The main thing when sakurai is choosing a character is how unique they would be and would they have a unique moveset. Everything else I'd say comes after that.

5. Did sakurai ever say he was against over population in smash games?

None of these reasons are that strong (I'll admit some of mine may not either) but that's it, we don't know, we don't know what sakurai is thinking, we don't know if he thinks the same as we do when thinking of characters for brawl.

 

[PRINCESS PEACH777]

i love her so much it would be nice to have her

 

[Patinator]

Aw, c'mon! Three pages? Surely Vivian can get more than that...

So yeah. Hi, everyone. I would like to thank Sabrewulf for giving me the link here.

Vivian... The most memorable partner from all three Paper Mario games, perhaps excluding Tippi from Super Paper Mario. A villain-turned-enemy. Not enough of that.

I've always thought that Vivian, in Brawl, could merely have her tail extending above the abyss of death while offstage, but without a hitbox on it. Because that wouldn't be fair.

I'll post a moveset later, but only if someone posts before! I'd like to have a clean double post record. LOL.

Vivian for Brawl!

 

[Raxivace]

Vivian would be a nice choice.

Would you guys rather see a "paper" version of her or a 3-d model of her in Brawl?

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

dont we already have enough mario characters geeze,the only one i would wana see is boo he deserves it.

 

[Enigma14]

King boo you mean? or regular boo?

As for Vivian, I hope she's like gain and watch, 2D. Ironic they both use fire atttacks and don't burn XD

 

[Arteen]

dont we already have enough mario characters geeze,the only one i would wana see is boo he deserves it.

Boo doesn't deserve it any more than any other Mario enemy.

 

[Enigma14]

Which is why generic characters have more of a chance as enimies like goombas.

As for that we've got alot of mario characters already post, we only 3, plus Luigi, and THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE SINCE MARIO IS THE BIGGEST FRANCHISE EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

Vivian and Geno 4 Brawl!

 

[Raxivace]

I think it would be cool to see Vivian and Geno meet in The Subspace Emissary. They seem like they would make a good team up.

 

[Enigma14]

Fire Magic and Projectiles...an explosion waiting to happen!

 

[AIM0001]

A Paper Mario character would be kinda intersting but some might agrue that princess booleta or whatevr her name is from Paper Mario 64 is more deserving. But to have a Mario RPG character in general I'd say Geno is more deserving than both combined. But I'd also like to add that she has a pretty unique move set. Well done.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think Vivian is way better than Bow from paper mario on the nintendo, for one thing Vivian is somewhat more important to the storyline of thousand year old door than Bow ever was in the original paper mario, plus vivian is probably the first paper mario partner that paper mario didn't just talk to her and she joined up with him. like all the other partners.

She's also a baddie turned good, which helps her uniqueness IMO.

and she also isn't originally a generic enemy in the mario games, which most of paper marios partners are.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

She's be cool but she doesen't really have the priority over Paper Mario to get in :/....

 

[Patinator]

That may be true, Third Koopa. But Vivian does have a chance...

Moveset still in progress.

 

[DemonicDragon]

Vivian would be a nice choice.

Would you guys rather see a "paper" version of her or a 3-d model of her in Brawl?

I prefer a 3D look, it would be something new, besides her "paper" look is good for a Paper Mario game, although it would quite weird in a game like brawl.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think her paper form would be better, and her being in 2d wouldn't be weird, mr. game and watch was in melee and he fitted in well as 2d.

In fact a 3d mr. game and watch would be weird, I think the same for Vivian, I think she'd lose that certain something if she became 3d

 

[gangstajuice02]

im not trying to be mean but how can that thing be in the game!!! sorry pointless thread!!

 

[gangstajuice02]

i change my mind she or he looks good to be in brawl!!!!!!

 

[PPNY]

I think she would be cool. I havent really played the game a lot but she would be a wicked character. Would be neat to see her sliding around with the shadows.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Gosh I really hope Vivian is playable...not just because she'd be a great character but it would prove to some people that characters don't need a massive fanbase to get into brawl as playable character, that Sakurai really does put uniqueness and moveset potential over popularity.

I'm also adding something to the final smash on the first post.

 

[Griffard]

she was in the first one, correct?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

No, Vivian was in the second paper mario game, The Thousand year old door for the Gamecube.

 

[Griffard]

No, Vivian was in the second paper mario game, The Thousand year old door for the Gamecube.

o. see this is why i don't remember her as much. the first game is one of the best ever, and the third is terrific. the second is just rather forgettable

 

[Sabrewulf238]

The second one was brilliant! I'll admit it's nowhere near the original paper mario but paper mario 2 was the most memorable for me anyway. IMO Vivian was the most memorable thing in the whole game.

I found paper mario 2 alot harder too....but maybe thats just me.

 

[Collective of Bears]

I've just got one problem with Vivian: If she's always attatched to the ground, how is she going to get sent out of the fray?

 

[Enigma14]

Thats the only thing going against her, that and not being high on the poll as others like Geno or Krystal but we have yet to think of a solution other then giving her legs...

but nintendo will work it out somehow if shes a PC, is she's a AT then everyone saw it from a mile away.

 

[Williampettysan]

Well I thought mario party 4 and 5 were decent but then got Six and I realized "Hey they're not changing very much". So I stopped getting them.

I wonder if Vivian will appear in another game......I hope so, she's a really cool character....I think I might search for my copy of the thousand year door and play it again.

In Super Paper Mario, she's on a picture in Bow's Mansion with every single other party member and Mario. (And Bulter... Who was going to join your team though Bow didn't let him. XD)

o. see this is why i don't remember her as much. the first game is one of the best ever, and the third is terrific. the second is just rather forgettable

I liked Paper Mario Thousand Year Old Door much better then the first Paper Mario...

But the problem is Vivi can't jump as you noticed she's always go that thingy on her....

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Vivian does jump in the paper mario games.....it just doesn't show her detaching from the ground, but she still moves up as if she was jumping. but if you jump with mario the partner always jumps too afterwards.

I don't think there would be too much trouble, they could make it so when she detaches from the ground theres a thing wisp like tail coming out from her (like a ghost) Sakurai and the developers have made stuff like this up before in melee, so I don't think it would be a problem.

 

[DemonicDragon]

Gosh I really hope Vivian is playable...not just because she'd be a great character but it would prove to some people that characters don't need a massive fanbase to get into brawl as playable character, that Sakurai really does put uniqueness and moveset potential over popularity.

I'm also adding something to the final smash on the first post.

Yeah its really sad that most people don't really consider how unique a character, all that matters is how popular that character is, otherwise they just hate ya for being different and not wanting RAVE. A good example is I don't like Captain Olimar at all. He just doesn't interest me as a PC. If I started a thread anywhere saying that I get flamed and flamed straight down to hell.

 

[Enigma14]

Yeah its really sad that most people don't really consider how unique a character, all that matters is how popular that character is, otherwise they just hate ya for being different and not wanting RAVE. A good example is I don't like Captain Olimar at all. He just doesn't interest me as a PC. If I started a thread anywhere saying that I get flamed and flamed straight down to hell.

I agree with you on that, but this is the Vivian thread. Anyways yes its sad to see WW link get in over someone unique likw G and W but most people here are like that.

Why not just make her tail a tail like boo's so she can float?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Why not just make her tail a tail like boo's so she can float?

I'm guessing that's what would happen, it would be cool if she could float too.

As for people flaming, it's a pity people aren't more open minded but I guess it's inevitable that it will happen here, since it's about debating characters.

We just have to do our best defending Vivian and our other fav characters

 

[DemonicDragon]

She'd be an interesting character, she should be able to melt herself into the ground and be invincible for a few seconds. Any ideas for a final smash?

 

[Patinator]

She'd be an interesting character, she should be able to melt herself into the ground and be invincible for a few seconds. Any ideas for a final smash?

I think I see a sidestep there. Although it's rather obvious...

Vivian: Final Smash

<Fiery Jynx>​

Vivian's Special Moves come from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. Shouldn't her Final Smash as well?

(Picture: Vivian with angry, ruby-glowing eyes from Smash Ball, in the center of Battlefield)

Of course, you must open a Smash Ball first.

(Picture: Vivian waving her index finger with three flames around it)

She wiggles her finger, and then...

(Picture: Ike, Diddy Kong, and Link getting hit by Bowser-sized fireballs, one each)

BAM! Each foe is hit by a fireball, and roasted.​

Vivian's Final Smash is quite fierce, since the fireballs home in; however, it won't work if enemies are too far away.

(Picture: A fireball fizzling out one-third of the way across New Pork City, with Lucas, Kirby, and Fox hiding on the far right side, Vivian on the left)

Aww... It missed.​

See what I did there? I went all Sakurai on you guys! ROFL. Just like I did in the Bomberman thread... But this is more thought-out.

Moveset still in progress, aside from Final Smash.