Violence @ Tournaments

[LunInSpectra]

Violence @ tournaments.

What do you guys think?

 

[Deleted member]

I think if I was still a moderator, I'd get rid of whoever boback is. We're a grassroots community and it's fair game to protect our own.

 

[Mew2King]

wow .......

 

[Nihonjin]

Boback sounds like someone I'd punch in the mouth. (repeatedly)

Though I personally wouldn't have called the cops (^That's how I'd react), calling the cops on him was the right course of action. He assaulted you, they can't expect you to just take it.

 

[DoH]

This is all over $4? Wtf

 

[Pink Reaper]

This goes to show the general lack of maturity in the smash community. To them, handling a situation like an adult probably means dealing with this **** yourself(NO SNITCHING!) The fact that you were banned from CGC(was it by onski specifically?) is more than likely the TO acting out of a poorly thought out plan of self-preservation. A lot of times at smash tournaments **** happens that could get the TO in serious trouble if the cops showed up, like minors being drunk off their *** and losing to ganons so anyone who would willingly call the cops, to them is a threat. You were more than likely banned because the TO got in trouble for not reporting the incident that he was technically responsible for.

Lets look at the facts.

1) you were assaulted
2) the TO, being responsible for the ENTIRE tournament and everyone there should have called the cops FOR YOU. He didnt
3) The cops showed up anyways
4) Boback got in all the legal trouble he deserved and more than likely so did the TO
5) The TO banned you for this
6) Your hair is AMAZING

Wow the smash community sucks lmao

 

[Wobbles]

Losing to Ganon is only a minor offense in Texas but a felony in California. You can still be tried even if you're a minor!

Get Boback banned from events. Seriously, dude sounds like he cannot handle himself. Even I never attacked anybody and I'm supposed to be the angriest smasher o_O

 

[SwiftBass]

lol boback shouldve been kicked out of the venue at the least. When Eggm slammed hax that one time he kinda got outted and we brought him his stuff outside(cuz he brings like a million TVS and stuff) so there would be no more fighting/escalation etc.

He came back the next month things were kind of akward, hax talked a little **** but like things blew over. There is probly some subtle beef between the two of them but like its not major enough to entice the rest of us or call the cops. I know of some other player beefs as well but like its how things go the people still respect each other enough to act "normal" when in the same room.

I mean I feel like boback was way out of line here, however you have to ask yourself sometimes. What did I do that could have put in down that path to begin with. Him swinging on you over 2 bucks is silly and it really does not seem logical. You can only pity those who cannot be in their right mind all of the time and just ask yourself these kind of questions. Its really easy to say its bobacks fault and that he is a *******, but it solves nothing. I would learn from this and compile it with your mental memory about how people react to what you do.

The long and short: he was wrong hardcore without a doubt. Calling the cops, meh but hey better to overkill than to not do anything. I think this couldve been prevented all along cuz as a resident assistant at a major university I have experienced my fair share of altercations. Look at yourself too regardless of whether you were wrong or not.

 

[Cactuar]

I agree with your actions.

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

I know both of you personally fairly well (I think), and though I wasn't there, I think the first thing you have to ask yourself is how you personally would have wanted the situation to be resolved, and in that context, what the point of calling the cops is, and what you think they are supposed to do about it.

Personally, I think that in general, law enforcement is there as a last resort for when resolution between the parties is impossible. There's no doubt that Boback crossed the line pretty far by hitting you, and I'm sure you're well within you're rights to press charges, but what is it that you really want to happen to settle this?

I don't think that you should be banned from the events, but I don't know if getting cops involved was the best choice. I haven't talked to Boback yet about it, but I can if you want me to, because he will consider my words.

 

[KirbyKaze]

LMFAO

Punching someone because they're GIVING you money?

 

[pockyD]

just for the record, boback was banned too

I don't agree with what either of you did, but I think onski handled it just fine

I'm on my phone, I'll chime in more later if I remember

 

[unknown522]

if you didn't fight back, only boback should be banned.

 

[pockyD]

I think it's important that Boback gets his say, whether people agree with his actions or not (I don't think anyone agrees with his actions, actually), he should have the right to at least present his side

Once again, as far as consequences go, Boback has been banned from the tournaments as well

From my perspective, the reason Rey was banned is simply that the TO felt that calling the cops in a situation like that is bad for the entire community, which I agree with. It's entirely possible that it could've gotten the whole tournament scene shut down

I didn't personally witness most of the event, but from literally every single person except Rey I've heard from, the consensus was that

1) Rey was not seriously physically hurt
2) There was no intent of or potential for any further confrontation

Once again, THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY BOBACK'S ACTIONS. At that point, he was already done for the tournament; Onski had already asked him to leave and not come back, and he was complying

So the gist of it is, Rey, maybe you felt slighted, abused, and victimized, but you acted (calling the cops) out of self-interest and thirst for revenge when there was no need for it (no further confrontation, as boback had already left, and no physical damage, from all accounts that I've heard). The money throwing was dumb and immature but you already realize that, and all of us have done something stupid like that in the heat of the moment too. It's more of your disregard for the community as a whole that led Onski to not want you as part of that community, especially one that he is responsible for in the eyes of both the smashers and the law

The only question I have for you (Rey) is what you WANTED (or still WANT) to happen? Did you want the cops to haul Boback off? Did you want to see him in jail? Do you want him to put up a few hundred bucks for your ice pack? As you think about your motives, I hope that you'll get a clearer understanding of why the local community isn't behind you on this. If you'd rather not sling mud out in the public or semi-public, you know you can find me or sheridan on AIM




Anyway, here's Boback's (overly long and unnecessarily detailed) story

Ok, first off..

I really don’t understand why you would drag the situation to this point. What are you planning on accomplishing with your post in the MBR? I didn't want to post anything about the subject on the boards and let it blow over, but since you posted this and not all of the information is correct, I would like to defend myself.

No one is against, YOU.. they were against you calling the cops because it could have been handled in a different way, saving everyone time and money. Truth is, you got slapped. You got slapped for the things you said and did to me, and that’s it. It had NOTHING to do with the money.

Your little list of the events that occurred obviously left out most of the actual things you did, that led up to that event. Biased views are biased.

I will give you a run down of what REALLY happened, because it was ultimately me that slapped you across the face.

The UNBIASED version below (because I don’t really care about this anymore, and I have no reason to try and save face for anyone, I did what I did, and i admit that i was wrong in doing so, and childish, immature what ever you want to call it.)

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE DID AND THE WAY HE ACTED.


At the beginning of the day, I approached you while you were about to practice or play a teams match with Dajuan. pockyD was sitting down next to you, and Vanessa on my left.

i said, "hey rey, you forgot to pay my gas money for when i dropped you off at your house the other day, do you have it? id like to use it to enter singles"

you said, "here is the rest that i owe you, the $2 dollars"

keep in mind, out of the 10 he owed me, he payed $3 for bridge toll, and Vanessa $1, so 4 total, out of the $10, I was owed $6.

so i said "oh you actually owe me 6"

and out of no where, he stands up, and gets all frustrated, flustered whatever you want to call it. his voice was rising, and he was getting mad that i should be getting the rest from Vanessa since that was the "deal".

so in the deal that he made with Vanessa he owed me 5, Vanessa owed me 5.

i didn’t see it like that. i just wanted 10.

whatever he did to make a deal with Vanessa was his problem not mine.


and then at this point he turns to Vanessa and starts yelling at her. and i look over at pocky with a wtf look on my face. like its not that big of a deal, why are you yelling at her about this.

so i tell him, just give me the rest later, and that’s that. I walked away, because i didn’t want any part of their argument.



LATER IN THE DAY

so close to registration for singles, i'm playing random friendlies on a tv, and rey comes by and sits near me.

the conversation comes back up again, about how much he owes me. i forget exactly what was said that let up to us talking about it again but this is what i remember


me: "hey rey, you got the rest of the money yet?"
rey: "no i got the 2 dollars that i owe you. vanessa owes you the rest"
me: "ok so just get the rest from her and give me it all together"
rey: "you can get it from her, i owe you 2 here's the 2 dollars i owe you"

and so he pulls it out of his pocket, and hands it to me

i refuse it and ask NICELY, in a NORMAL CALM VOICE, to just deal with it yourself, what ever agreement you had with vanessa, and just give me the rest together, when ever you get it from her.

at this point, it was getting kind of annoying.. i didn't want to go up to vanessa and ask her for 4 bucks, because it wasn't my problem. she was under the assumption that rey was going to pay for it, and she didn't have the money. so i'm not about to go up to a girl and demand my money from her. that's not like me, and i would feel like a **** if i did that.

so after i refuse it, rey gets mad again. his voice goes up, he starts getting aggravated. i hand him the 2 dollars back.

me: "just keep it, and give me the rest later rey. i'm not about to get in between you two over something so stupid"
rey: "ok so you don't want it? because that's all i owe you i'm not paying you the rest"

so obviously hes missing the **** point. to me it seemed as if he thought i didn't want to ask vanessa for the money, and i wanted HIS money. not true at all. perhaps a problem of miscommunication, or his stubbornness, what ever it was, i just wanted the money that was owed. and i did not want to go through multiple people to get it. easy right? i guess not.


me: "rey calm down and just give me it all later ok"
rey: "no! i'm not going to give you the money, you don't want it? fine ill keep it then, since you don't want it"
me: "yes i do want it, but not in pieces. just give it to me by the end of the day"
rey: "fine i'm keeping it then, you can ask vanessa for the rest"


at this point i'm getting aggravated, and say stupid **** because i'm not thinking straight and i try to bully him into agreeing with me. obviously the wrong thing to do.

me: "rey, give me the ****ing money by the end of the day, or ill break you in half"
rey: "this is all i'm giving you" (there's probably some more here but i forget exactly what he said)

then at this point, he throws the money AT me. it doesn't matter if it touched me or not, or if he was aiming at the floor.

It was the act of him throwing the money AT me that got me mad, and pushing me over the edge. like here pick it up *****. a blatant sign of disrespect in my point of view.

so i got up, slammed my controller down on the table. and i got heated.

i stood up in front of him, to intimidate him. I knew I wasn't going to punch him, cause if I did I would probably knock his head right off, or knock him out, so i ***** slapped him across the face. i'm not saying he deserved it, i'm not saying it was right for me to do. it was wrong of me to do, and immature. i get it. i realized that the second i slapped him.

ONE slap, OPEN HANDED, across the right side of his face (left side from my point of view)

it knocked his glasses off, and he sat there in silence, and got up and left.

As he was leaving the room, he yelled out “I DON'T CARE ABOUT GENESIS” due to the fact that he immediately grabbed his phone, and vanessa was trying to keep him from calling the cops and escalating the situation. She mentioned that you’d probably be banned from tournaments, and probably genesis.

( I honestly don't know why that mattered at that point in time, but i'm just reiterating exactly what happened, like I said I would)

from what everyone inside told me, to what the police told me, to what vanessa told me (since she was with him from the moment he got slapped, to when he got back from the hospital for a "minor contusion") no visible bruises, cuts or swollen areas were apparent.

Onski ushered me out of the room, and told me not to come back, and to take a walk.

I walked over to subway, grabbed something to eat, and cooled off. My stuff was still in the room, so after I ate, I came back to the room to grab my stuff, and came to a decision in my head, that apologizing to him was the right thing to do, and then I would leave, and try to defuse the situation.

again, this wasn’t over the money. it was the way rey handled the given situation, which led up to the events that occurred.

so what happened AFTER this.. is what everyone is against, and vocal about.

i agree that everyone has their own opinion, and that whats right and wrong is very subjective.

to me, calling the cops over getting slapped in the face, is a little extreme. it could have been handled in a far better way, in a way that could have made me look more like a ****, and more like an ******* to even do that to you.

if you really wanted to get back at me, and look like the victim in the situation, you wouldn’t have called the cops, and would have been the better man and talked it out and made me look dumb in front of everyone.

and i do feel dumb. i feel stupid for even doing that to you. i went to subway after that happened, and came back to get my stuff, and apologize to you. i'm sure you probably don't believe me, but that was my intention. but instead i was greeted by 4 cops, and your body building brother that looked like he wanted to rip my head off.


and i'm sure you probably exaggerated, and left out a few key details to your family to not look as bad in front of them. but rey, you are as guilty in this situation as i am.

the fact that no one is "on your side" in the local community, is because you also acted in an immature way, and you called the cops on a subject matter that didn't need to involve it. (against subjective. It just happens to be the general consensus of the community to come to that opinion)

i could go on about how it affected the community as a whole, but most of all it reflected on what kind of person you are.

you freakin called your mom, your brother, called the cops, and even went to the hospital for 2 hours afterward, to ultimately be released with a "minor contusion" and an ICE PACK.

to me, that looks like you had no idea how to handle the situation. you wanted to get back at me, and didn't know how, so you called the cops to get me in trouble, probably went to the hospital to pin your medical bills on me, and ultimately for what?

the officers were even telling me that this situation is so silly, that once it hits the DA's desk, itll probably get dismissed, or when i got to court for this, they will at MOST give me an infraction. nothing will happen, and you know it.

the only thing that will happen, is a deep divide in the local community. you wonder why people aren't on your "side" well its because of your actions AFTER you got slapped.

and this isn't a game rey. when did this become about sides? we both were in the wrong, and i'm not expecting people to be on my side about anything. i take full responsibility for my actions, and i know they were wrong. the fact that you are trying to start a pity parade, and become the victim in this situation is why you have so many people against you.

now by making this thread, you are just making matters worse. it just shows that you still don't know how to handle it, and you just want sympathy from people who WEREN'T EVEN THERE, or SHOULD BE INVOLVED at all. you want comfort? you want solace? then turn to your family. your close friends.

not the hundreds of anonymous people on these boards where the majority of have never met or talked to you before in their lives, and spread this situation even further. it is not needed. it has been blown out of proportion since day one.

i am not trying to downplay what i did here, i am simply saying the turn of events could have been completely diverted and rerouted to a better out come. where you probably wouldn't have been banned, and people wouldn't even be talking about this, and I would be looking like the ****, the bad guy in this situation.

but instead you are further alienating yourself from the community that you grew up in and have plenty of friends in. and also giving them plenty of ammo for them to justify that what I did to you wasn't that big of a deal.

i'm not asking you to drop the charges, because you probably wont. But if you do cool. It would save me a headache, and not waste both of our time.

i would like to formally apologize for my actions, and irresponsible behavior. it was tasteless, and childish. i know i lost a lot of respect with people, but i cant fix that. i can only go on from this point.

I would have apologized at the tournament, but your brother was firm on not letting me near you, or for you to accept my apology.

The cops even stopped the whole procedure to see if you would be willing to accept it and move on, instead of wasting everyone's time with citizens arrest, and booking me with assault.

I'm 100% sure you weren't physically hurt from this. You were emotionally scared, and your dignity taken away. Your pride and ego probably shot down, and you felt embarrassed.

So you naturally felt like everyone would automatically be on your side, but they weren't, so now you're mad about the fact that the norcal community is not on your side and apparently on mine. Which is not true.

I don't care if this is too long to read, but this is what I had to say. I cant really respond back so im trying to cover every angle.

Again i'm sorry. if that means anything to you.

 

[SwiftBass]

"Truth is, you got slapped."

aite I'm done. I'll go out there and say boback shouldn't be permabanned. My empathy is no longer existent. Lol im sitting here thinking that he legit started swinging on you or something.

I hope you don't take him to judge judy.

 

[Divinokage]

Losing to Ganon is only a minor offense in Texas but a felony in California. You can still be tried even if you're a minor!

Get Boback banned from events. Seriously, dude sounds like he cannot handle himself. Even I never attacked anybody and I'm supposed to be the angriest smasher o_O

Good thing I wasn't present in those tournament right? =P

Anyways.. fun story, I think that's some over-reacting honestly on both sides but let's hope it gets fixed quickly.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Both sides are pretty **** biased, but I hold to what I said anyways, Ray's hair is amazing.

also i read half of Bobacks giant ***-post and then realized that i was only half way done and decided it was tl;dr, was there anything in the other half that was worth reading?

 

[Deleted member]

no, it just sounds like a testimony from a parent that beat their child.

wait, actually looking at it that way makes it more interesting.

 

[LunInSpectra]

I'm not posting much because I don't really know what to say.

Boback:

You're right, let's not story-tell. Email me: reynaldo@mail.sfsu.edu

To everyone else

My intentions are only my business, whether it stems from knee-jerk emotions or deep down evilness. It is none of your concern. The real concerns should be a zero-tolerance for violence and what we should do about situations like this from now on.

How I reacted was emotionally acceptable and probably healthier for the community in the long run. I know that I could have waited out for a while and talked with Boback to avoid this legal jargon, but I COULDN'T. I am human, my emotions are my LIFE.

I was probably banned from the tournament because I could have gotten the tournament scene (CGC) shut down. What does it matter if I could have handled the hit better? Where's the empathy? Where's the tight-knit camaraderie now? People seem to care more about the game than their members. I'm sure if it happened to any one of you, you'd each be shunned and outcast like I am now for "overreacting". The community doesn't seem to be maturely developed, or at least everyone seems to have a lot of self-centered agendas (which isn't surprising, but is surely frustrating).

 

[SwiftBass]

what was the purpose of making this thread? you want MBR to get you unbanned from a venue or something?(you would have better chances at empathy in a public thread). Like you said your intentions are your own business so I do not understand why you took the time to create a thread about how you called the cops on some guy who slapped you.


*makes motion for closure of thread*

 

[LunInSpectra]

My intentions are separate from what we should do about violence.

 

[SwiftBass]

i mean i guess "what we should do about violence" is a good discussion to bring up......your input given your circumstances will come off as bias regardless if it is or not.


I just got upthrown rested 4 times in a row in tourney by a newb lets talk about where jiggly should be on the tier list.

 

[LunInSpectra]

i mean i guess "what we should do about violence" is a good discussion to bring up......your input given your circumstances will come off as bias regardless if it is or not.


I just got upthrown rested 4 times in a row in tourney by a newb lets talk about where jiggly should be on the tier list.

lol, I don't.

Just EDIT that post and I'll EDIT mine.

 

[SwiftBass]

an analogy...

my question stands....still wondering as to why you posted it. You want us to talk about violence and make some MBR ruling on it?

 

[LunInSpectra]

Not really. I just want some discussion I suppose. I saw Forward make some inconclusive threads so I thought I'd make my own.

I mean, I'm pretty mad that I'm banned and I'd like to know if it's really justified. I want to know if, next time, I should advise the next person that gets hit to talk it out.

 

[SwiftBass]

fair enough.

bedtime.

edit:
i honestly dun think either of you should be permabanned.

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

First thing, I'm always available to talk to on AIM, Rey, if you want.

Boback was already going to be kicked out regardless of what you did, Rey, so as far as how the host (onski) handled violence, I think it was just fine. Everyone knows that Boback's actions were over the line and he deserved to get kicked out. But that does not necessarily equate to agreeing with your personal response (as opposed to the host's response). And just because someone doesn't agree with your response doesn't mean that they think you should "just get over it" or have to tolerate violence in general.

My intentions are only my business, whether it stems from knee-jerk emotions or deep down evilness. It is none of your concern. The real concerns should be a zero-tolerance for violence and what we should do about situations like this from now on.

I can't agree with you about this. I mean, you have to right to withhold that information from us if you want, but intentions are always important in things like this, becaues intent allows us to judge how that person will act in the future, and our response to these situations hinges on those estimations.

How I reacted was emotionally acceptable and probably healthier for the community in the long run. I know that I could have waited out for a while and talked with Boback to avoid this legal jargon, but I COULDN'T. I am human, my emotions are my LIFE.

It was a completely understandable reaction, but it's not like you are locked in to that course of action. We understand that people get emotional, but I think you're trying to justify them after the fact, instead of considering that perhaps they were misguided: you are in a position to look back at it and think about what resolution you would like.

I was probably banned from the tournament because I could have gotten the tournament scene (CGC) shut down. What does it matter if I could have handled the hit better? Where's the empathy? Where's the tight-knit camaraderie now? People seem to care more about the game than their members. I'm sure if it happened to any one of you, you'd each be shunned and outcast like I am now for "overreacting". The community doesn't seem to be maturely developed, or at least everyone seems to have a lot of self-centered agendas (which isn't surprising, but is surely frustrating).

If you ask me, I think part of it is that when you call the cops to resolve a situation like this, you are calling on a force outside the community to try to resolve it, instead of first trying to use your friends within the community to help resolve it, so if you want the community behind you, they should be the first ones you look to. This wasn't some random guy coming in and hitting you, this was an established member and contributor to the community. That's not to say he should be granted preferential treatment, it means you should try (IMO) to resolve it privately or among friends without an external agent if possible. Plus, given the circumstances of the legality of the tournament, you also get other people involved that had nothing to do with it, which is something that nobody likes. Also, making yourself out to be a pariah is a sure way to lose support from others, even if you deserve it.

Regardless, I still don't think your ban is deserved. If people are giving Boback the benefit of the doubt for getting hot-headed (as long as he realizes his mistakes and we can be reasonably sure that he won't hit anyone else), then you should also be given it, since it's not easy to make the "right" decision in such a situation. What people want from you is to be receptive to Boback's apology and whatever he does to make it up to you (assuming you accept it), and to rely on you and others to react more appropriately if a similar situation were to arise again.

 

[pockyD]

My intentions are only my business, whether it stems from knee-jerk emotions or deep down evilness. It is none of your concern. The real concerns should be a zero-tolerance for violence and what we should do about situations like this from now on.

How I reacted was emotionally acceptable and probably healthier for the community in the long run. I know that I could have waited out for a while and talked with Boback to avoid this legal jargon, but I COULDN'T. I am human, my emotions are my LIFE.

I was probably banned from the tournament because I could have gotten the tournament scene (CGC) shut down. What does it matter if I could have handled the hit better? Where's the empathy? Where's the tight-knit camaraderie now? People seem to care more about the game than their members. I'm sure if it happened to any one of you, you'd each be shunned and outcast like I am now for "overreacting". The community doesn't seem to be maturely developed, or at least everyone seems to have a lot of self-centered agendas (which isn't surprising, but is surely frustrating).

How are you going to call everyone else out on their 'self-centered agendas' then maintain that your intentions are only your business?

You're smarter than this

And **** straight the community is more important than the individual

 

[LunInSpectra]

Thanks Sheridan. I'm thinking about what you said and I talked to Boback.

The community is made up of individuals, and a general disconnection with anyone of the members is a disconnection everyone shares.

When I lived in SF, this happened on my block once. A few months ago, there was a hit and run (the girls that got hit ran), and I specifically knew that my neighbor was hiding them. When the cops came to look for them, the ones who were hiding them and a few others who saw it were not disclosing their whereabouts.

The guys that got into the car crash got screwed over at the expense of the neighborhood trying to take problems into their own hands. I thought, "If I got into a car crash, the neighborhood wouldn't help me either". They helped the girls alright, but they certainly didn't help the other guy. What makes you (Kevin) think that, in this situation, the problem is adequately resolved by community itself? Should we really be taking things into our own hands? Is it really the right thing to do?

EDIT:

Also, my intentions, my self-centered agendas, between me and Boback don't affect anyone else. If you think I'm talking about intentions regarding violence...what does it matter to you anyway? How can I possibly have an evil agenda when discussing zero tolerance? I say it's private because it's me & Boback's business, I'm not concocting some evil, master plan. It has to be good, which it is, and I believe you're simply misusing my statement (whether it be my fault or your's). I despise violence and I just want everything that should be done, TO be done.

 

[pockyD]

until you humor me and provide your motives, I'm not going to humor you

because from my pov (and most others here), I wouldn't have even considered calling the cops. until you give me some insight into your mind, I can't address your perspective

 

[LunInSpectra]

The only motives you need to know are that the cops were be there based on emotions, an emotional need for justice, and fear of getting hit more than once.

Thanks though Kevin. I appreciate your insights.

 

[Mic_128]

It's entirely possible that it could've gotten the whole tournament scene shut down

Huh? How?

 

[pockyD]

The only motives you need to know are that the cops were be there based on emotions, an emotional need for justice, and fear of getting hit more than once.

Thanks though Kevin. I appreciate your insights.

But you see, making impulsive decisions based on emotion is what started this mess

once again, i fully support boback being banned; this isn't about that (and boback being banned had nothing to do with the cops anyway)

Huh? How?

because smash tournaments for money on a college campus is of questionable legality to begin with?

 

[Mic_128]

And? Okay, if that got shut down that'd be a pain, but is that the only place in the whole state that you can host anything at? The scene wouldn't die.

 

[pockyD]

And? Okay, if that got shut down that'd be a pain, but is that the only place in the whole state that you can host anything at? The scene wouldn't die.

i'm sorry, but as someone who's been a major part of this local community for the past two and a half years (whereas i'm personally not sure if you've ever even played smash, nor if you have a basic understanding of american geography), i find it ridiculous that you're acting like you understand how our community works

it's ok to not know about these things, but when you don't know, you shouldn't try and weigh in as if you do. tournaments are the lifeblood of a community

anyway, this is deviating off the retroactively determined topic of violence at tournaments

which is almost a nonversation anyway; nobody's pro-violence

 

[Mic_128]

i'm sorry, but as someone who's been a major part of this local community for the past two and a half years (whereas i'm personally not sure if you've ever even played smash, nor if you have a basic understanding of american geography), i find it ridiculous that you're acting like you understand how our community works

I like how you assume I know nothing, when you don't know anything either. Yes I play smash, used to do melee, do brawl now. And yes I'm in another country and not 100% sure on how things work there, hence why I'm asking questions.

Just incase I'm confusing you somehow, is the only place you can host tournaments is at this college? Do you not have any other halls, gyms or churches that you can rent? We've got about 4 different venues we have tournaments at, and while I'm well aware not everywhere would have as many, I find it incredibly doubtful that you only have a single venue that you can use.

 

[SwiftBass]

I think pocky is making a reference to a possible can of worms that can ultimately hurt smash in environments like colleges.

If there is a police report or if they go to court(which I think they are) the details are going to be looked at and the judge/cops whoever will know that this was over a video game tourney that involved gambling on campus grounds. That is a bad look for the community regardless if its just in norcal. moreso, if other surrounding colleges get word of this.(i lived on campus of a college that was next to like 3 others so im speaking from experience)

Pocky seems to be aiming at the bigger picture. To think that he believes that this encounter will in some kind of way instantly "kill melee" is kind of a silly inference.





on another note, other than college grounds it is EXTREMELY difficult to find venues to host video game tourneys on a local level(for like monthlies or biweeklies),unless you want to rent out something. Unfortunately melee is old and video game tourneys are still a bit taboo by comparison. Its best to hold on the college campus as long as possible. either that, or find that mom n pop comic shop with a nice enough owner to let 20-35 rofl stomp in his/her store, get loud, bring up his light bill and use his resources for a reasonable venue fee. This **** is hard to come by man. Tristate is lucky enough to have found a solid place, but we spent 2 years securing it and if it wasnt for revival of melee's success I doubt we'd have that venue.

 

[Slhoka]

Even though there may be other venues, this isn't a reason to let this one go so easily while it's available. Finding venues is really hard, not to mention good venues, and it would be stupid to risk losing it for such a reason.

As for the Boback/Lunin altercation, it's really hard to judge without being there, but it seems both are partly responsible. As the TO, it seems that Onski had the good reaction, trying to avoid the dispute to go too far. However, it's really hard to do something when people get carried away by their emotions like Lunin did.
I personally wouldn't ban them permanently, but only for some time.

 

[Skler]

If you take aggressive action against another person at a tournament you should get kicked out and be banned from all future events until it has been proven you can be civil. If it's a serious assault then it should be handled by the justice system in addition to being removed from the scene.

People who hit people over petty disputes should not be allowed in a place where your emotions can get a hold of you. A competitive tournament is one of those places. I would feel very unsafe if I had to play against a person with a history of assaulting people over insignificant things. That's pretty unsettling. What if he considers me picking Pichu to be disrespectful, or thinks that my style of play is gay and thus disrespectful?

Anybody else remember Philly Billy? As soon as he was allowed to go to tournaments again (granted he PUNCHED unknownforce twice so that was quite a long time later) he went into a rage at Cat3 and ****ing hurled a remote that almost hit Schweppes in the face. People like that shouldn't be at tournaments unless they can prove they've dealt with their problem and it will not happen again.

I'm not saying Lunin isn't at fault at all (if you notice somebody getting angry you're supposed to try and diffuse the situation, come on man) but at least he didn't get violent.

 

[Ignatius]

If there is a police report or if they go to court(which I think they are) the details are going to be looked at and the judge/cops whoever will know that this was over a video game tourney that involved gambling on campus grounds.

Just wanted to chime in, in our state it's not gambling, but its considered a "test of skill" which is completely different from gambling.