I'm not trying to upset anyone here. I'm just bringing information to the table.
It's just funny kid that you're talking about Mr.3000 when Tenki has the mother of all posters about about spin cancels and stuff and he was the one teaching most of us about their execution and possible uses. The first couple matches of Mr.3000 made everyone go: NO way! He's winning w/OUT ANY ATs!
I agree with puffball who agrees with you about everything except changing matches to 4 stocks. Since Sonic has to mix up his game multiple times in a single match..... wait a second:
Sonic is one of the most frustrating characters to main. Anytime you start to find something that works with Sonic your opponent will most likely come up with some sort of counter. You probably have played someone who for the first two stocks you took the lead, but suddenly they are on their final life and you are no longer able to use the same tricks against them. In the same game that you were destroying them, suddenly you can't find a way to get that last stock. What happened? You fell into too many predictable patterns. Your opponent adjusted properly and now your little tricks aren't working anymore. What you now must do is learn even more tricks and prevent yourself from turning into a robot who simply executes the same patterns over and over again. You're already further though at this point then most people who already gave up on Sonic. You probably can't beat a decent MK... yet. There is still hope though. Even against the campiest of opponents you can learn to punish them for making careless mistakes.
So 4 stocks = more time for your opponent to learn your style and more changes you have to make which is
even more work for sonic than he already has.
And as for Mr. Malcom's comment
That G&W knows how to play against sonic. but the sonic knows how to play against G&W. u should learn how 2 as well.
edit: I lost to inui. Game 3 last stock 100%+. All my opponents in these vids have played me at least 30 times.
How 2 Lose Against Sonic (ZOMG!)
This might seem trivial but perhaps after reading this you can understand more about why you're winning when you play as Sonic. Opponents who allow themselves to be intimidated by Sonic's speed and fail to realize that most of their attacks eat through Sonics will have a very frustrating time. Don't put up a "brick wall", keep spamming your spot dodge / air dodges and let Sonic bait you into making foolish attacks and you're well on your way to losing.
First game and watch match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZMuACATcWc&feature=related
So at 5 seconds he lets you run past him... fine let's pretend that didn't happen even though Game and watch has some of the longest lasting/disjointed hitboxes. Not to mention he actually got a dair off on you.
29 seconds he runs away from you
44 seconds he trys to edge hog ... a sonic?
1min to 1:10 he tries over 5 smash attacks with hopes you'll run into him
Game and watch loses his first stock at 1:34 because he refuses to use a fair or bair and instead tries to run at you... to probably smash attack
1:43 those amazing hitboxes of his aerials aren't going to be used again cause he wants to time a smash attack against your spin dash at point blank range.
I was very impressed by the footstool combo at 1:54
2:13 he lets you run right past him and you nail him with a fsmash
^puffball taught me this one by showing me replays against a MK we both would play.
For your whole last stock he tried smash attacking you when you were most likely to low for it to amount to anything and for the entire match he was diminishing his smash attack strength
Watch the first 30 seconds of this and then the first 30 seconds of the match I described.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AixRN5Lbm_I
Playing against someone's character over 30 times means squat if that player isn't actively trying to change their game to suit their current opponent... part of the reason why many people have such a distaste for play as Sonic.
We can argue all day about who went up against the better game and watch, part of the problem is that I made some really stupid choices in those matches of mine that resulted in KO's (or SDs)... but the fact remains that I could not rack up consistent damage on him.
You've got skills with Sonic, I'm not denying that, but I just have a problem with someone coming in and saying OMG this guy is awesome and look he beat a snake and G&W in a tournament! Tournaments are full of
bad players. Some people that have never been to live events have it in their head that all tournament players are awesome. "If they go to tournaments they
have to be good." False.
Finally going back to the original discussion about Sonic predictability... InfernoHit did not have to make any drastic changes to his playing style. He had up a wall that I was unable to climb/break down/insert your metaphor here. Sonic can't do that... and that's why you'll know when someone
knows how to play
a sonic.
Don't even get me started on that Snake and his sonic match up knowledge.... he's running and rolling away from your spin attacks Malcom. He must think he's got Captain Falcon's priority or something.