Viable/Non-viable voting

[Tero.]

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[Skler]

Gdorf
Mario
Doctor Mario
Sheik
Luigi
DK
Pikachu
Fox
Falco
Puff
Peach
Captain Falcon
Marth

Go me!

 

[Luma]

Captain Falcon
Donkey Kong
Dr. Mario
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Jigglypuff
Link
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Peach
Pikachu
Samus
Sheik

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Captain Falcon
Donkey Kong
Dr. Mario
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Jigglypuff
Link
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Peach
Pikachu
Samus
Sheik

 

[Fly_Amanita]

I don't agree with only including the characters that are viable in accordance with that definition in the chart because there are other nonviable characters that have decent/winning match-ups against pretty good characters, and that shouldn't be neglected.

 

[KevinM]

Agreed with Fly if you're 100 percent serious about pursuing a matchup chart you can't just cut it off at some arbitrary character because then you wouldn't actually be doing the chart justice.

 

[AXE 09]

I think Pikachu has a fighting chance against every character except for Sheik. According to the definition in the OP, Pikachu is non-viable, right?

 

[KevinM]

Axe you don't count .

 

[Skler]

I put him at viable because N64 beat Reno.

I just wanted to say that. Was anyone else at ROM2?

 

[N64]

i put him at viable because n64 beat reno.

I just wanted to say that. Was anyone else at rom2?

<.< >.>

<3


anyways viable:
Captain Falcon
Dr. Mario
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Jigglypuff
Marth
Peach
Samus
Sheik

I also don't agree entirely with having only viable matchups matter. I see the point of it, as the likeliness of a player encountering someone who plays a non-viable char in tournament is slim, and that ylink beats jiggs (just for supposition) doesn't matter much if he loses to pretty much every other high tier. I think however that the benefits from including all characters would outweigh any deficits.

First, releasing a third of a matchup chart isn't going to please a majority of the people. Even if sheik ***** kirby (sorry pink reaper) and that doesn't have an affect on her tourney performance, we still should represent it so that when random new smasher is looking for a char to pick up they can be like "oh, kirby does actually suck." As well, I think it would just look better / look like we actually put effort into making a complete one.

Second, while somewhat negligible I think the effect of some matchups below high tier do matter. If jiggs has trouble against lower tiers than sheik, she can potentially be knocked out by one if the matchup happens. This is much less valuable than her matchups vs other high tiers I agree, as that's most often what she will encounter, but it's still worth considering imo.

 

[Divinokage]

Axe you don't count .

What! If Axe doesn't count, then I shouldn't count either!

 

[KevinM]

Done and done, get out ganonda.

 

[ArcNatural]

Definitely Viable:

Captain Falcon
Dr. Mario
Falco
Fox
Ice Climbers
Jigglypuff
Mario
Marth
Peach
Sheik

Thought about not but putting them in viable anyway:
Ganondorf
Pikachu
Samus

This list is based on not having the ability to counter pick characters. I almost removed Ice Climbers, but it feels stupid removing a character that someone (Chu) has actually won tournaments with.

Ganondorf/Pikachu/Samus are all about the players and not the characters right now. The players are showing that the characters can possibly be viable but not many others have shown it to be so.

 

[Deleted member]

Marth
Sheik
Falco
Fox
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Peach
Ice Climbers

 

[Ignatius]

Marth
Sheik
Falco
Fox
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Peach
Ice Climbers
Ganon
Doc
Samus

 

[Marc]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288035

>_>

 

[Tero.]

hey, happy birthday.
wait! no cake.
no balloons.
no hats.
no presents.

final destination.

^

guys, forget about it.

Edit: Oh, didn't see Marcs post. Yeah, what he said.