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Utah Thread - Dead thread is dead

Dekar173

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Who all is at BYU? Just curious.
Only you.

BBrawl is terrible. D3 has a new chaingrab (upthrow) due to the coders for the game being incapable to fix throws properly.

Falco's bthrow = an automatic setup for ANY move he wants.

Ness' PK Fire is almost inescapable. Meaning I could trap a Snake player with PK Fire all day, like trapping Nana in Melee.

Ganondorf is completely and utterly broken.

Lots of dtilts trip percentages have gone all the way up to 100%

Wtf is that?!
 

Anonano

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Who all is at BYU? Just curious.
I'm at BYU too.

Also, the coders are just working on the whole thing right now. What they show is a "public preview," meaning they aren't finished fixing everything yet.
One of the coders was joking yesterday about an ice skating infinite chain grab that Ike had due to a mistake he made while trying to fix Ike. Give them credit for what they've done so far.

And Ganondork ain't broken, son.
 

Ken Neth

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So, I went into PnT today...

And he was supposed to open today, but he called one of his employees last second to cover for him so he could go on a hike with his family. Just my luck XD
 

Anonano

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PREPARE FOR WALL OF TEXT OF OBLIVION!!!!

Ok, I had this epically obvious idea that I think most people are already trying to do already.
We need to divide Northern Utah (because no one from Southern Utah visits this thread) into several sections based on geography.

So, why am I suggesting this ******** idea? Thanks, I'm glad you asked (and very happy to hear someone aside from myself thinks I'm ******** as well, what a relief).

Well, new Smashers from this area Aren't going to be traveling 1/2 to 1 hr to get to a tourney. Very few of us do anyways, and for the rest of us our opportunities seem to be quite slim. New Smashers can convince their parents (lets face it, most new Smashers will have parents overseeing them) to drive them about 10-15 minutes for an event at public places. 1/2 hour to drive up to SL, or down to UV, is just too much for most people who are interested in joining the scene. And once again, lets face it, most new Smashers will not be able to, or will be suspicious of, attending tournies at non-public places.
Heck, most new Smashers--and some of us veterans as well-- won't even reveal their locations or true names, so how on earth can we expect them to want to convince their parents to drive them 1/2 hr away for a tourney hosted at someone's house?
They most can't, and many won't, and our scene is losing more people than it can take in at this rate. Every last person that visits a Utah-based thread and says, "Hey, I'm new," can only replace someone who is leaving. And most of these people who are new, lose interest very fast due to tourney locations or lack of a scene in general here.

So, bear with me as I present my idea here. Dividing North Utah up. Currently we don't have many Smashers at all, and from what I know we are mostly centered in two locations.
--North Utah Valley (Including Southern Provo/BYU)
--Salt Lake Valley

What I suggest is that the Smashers from these two parts go ahead and try and organize their own tournies in those areas. For Utah Valley, Kenny, me, DRyu, etc, can work on getting a tourney started down here. G-Kirb, Rade, Foxtrotter (If she's still here), FTS, etc, will work on getting a tourney started at a public* place up there.
We can also plan Smashfests, etc.
Its not as if we won't compete against each other still; but this is merely making management and promotion in areas easier.

This will enable Smashers from both areas to start competing, locally. Eventually, these newbies will become a part of their local scene, and they will start competing at tournies that are farther away. They'll be more likely to come to Smashfests, and home-based tournies. And, more importantly, they'll want to stay and add to the scene themselves.

In a current perspective, dividing Utah into two areas will mean that we have multiple people searching for places to host tournies, thereby increasing the chance of getting another Brawl/Melee tourney going at all. Plus, if one tourney ends up being cancelled, the scene won't have to go on standby again; we will have at least one or two tournies still up and running.

Then, the individual areas can devise ways to advertise for their tournies and to get new Smashers involved. It doesn't have to be flyers; it could just be a couple Smashers pushing a store or public place to up a couple flyers themselves. By advertising, I don't mean "lets go out of our way and start posting flyers everywhere." But we need to invest *some* effort.

Another point I want to bring up about how this idea will affect our current predicament.
Kenneth is trying to get a tourney up, and plans on hosting it himself. Awesome, our scene will actually have a tourney again!
...But, Kenneth will receive his mission call within the next few weeks as well. How long until he leaves? We'll become tourneyless again.
This, of course, is assuming that he even manages to get us a tourney at all. We're relying too heavily on his own efforts. The entire Smash scene currently hangs on whether the manager of a chain of stores that has rejected us in other places, will suddenly want us at this store.
Slim chances, anyone?

So, moving back to the big picture of my idea. Through dividing up the state, decisions become much more localized. Things will be more organized, and when it comes time to start getting things done, people are more likely to do it. Right now, we are all kind of lounging back and going, "Well, someone else is working on getting a tourney going right now. I guess I'm not needed." The pressure to get things done where you live, lies more and more on you. You realize that you can be a part of the community, and that other people inside the scene are relying on you to help them out and start doing something.
Its not like some sort of Mafia admittance ceremony or oath or anything. But, when things are more localized, you'll naturally want to do more when the next person in front of you falls over. My idea isn't to present a forced regime--its to present a way for more people to feel involved in the scene overall, and to get them to want to do things for the scene and help it grow.

As more people join, we can further divide up the areas as we see necessary. And then, the scene will start rolling forwards, getting bigger and better, and people feel like they are really a part of something--and that something is moving, growing, evolving. It will actually be a fun, competitive, scene.

The idea I'm presenting here isn't to try and force us all to construct some sort of Smash Government and allot certain positions and responsibilities to our Smash Advertizers, our Smash President, and our Smash Senators.
I've tried to keep my idea based off of how a community naturally grows in the first place. We won't be overaggressive, we won't be (too) nerdy. We're just making it easier to get the scene that boost it needs to become great.

*I'm not suggesting FTS's Melee tourney is bad, or that in fact any other house-hosted tourney is bad. But to suggest to most new Smashers in Utah the idea of going into people's houses for tournies the day they arrive here--that will drive them off, and has driven them off, more than anything else. At least give them a chance to get to know people at publicly-hosted tournies before considering walking into someone else's house for them.

So, I'm going to learn how to create a Smash club down here at BYU, seeing how Blue Peach hasn't done anything. I can see Kenny is working on getting a tourney at PnT, so it would be kind of pointless for me to try and help him along there. I'm just doing what I can do, without going too far out of the way or giving too much to a video game community. Its important to remember that is all this is. But I can still give some time to it, since I do enjoy it.

I guess someone else can take a peek online at stores or schools or somewhere that might host a tourney for us, and ask a couple people at the place if their manager/principal might let us do a tourney there. Just let 'em know what we have found is most beneficial for tournies, etc. Just find somewhere really close to where you live and ask. No harm in doing it.

If you guys like my idea, lets try something. If you don't, then carry on. There really isn't anything else I *can* do for the Smash scene. I don't think it will survive more than a few months as is, and I think my idea is an easy to do, easy to organize, easy on the mind one.

I'm out of steam now.

End Speech

YEZ MAH SPECHE IZ OVURRH!!!!!!!
 

Rockmix

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Sounds good.
I guess when school starts I can see if anyone wants to go to the tourneys...
 

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I read your post and must say it sounds like it may work. BUT, the thing is it is going to be mutha****ing hard to get two scenes going, when you can't even get one going.
 

Anonano

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Sorry for the misconception. I don't want TWO scenes to be going. We're still one scene, nit together.

I'm just encouraging you all to be active in your local area. We're all too focused on the scene as a whole, across all of Northern Utah. We just need to realize that what we should focus on is improving our own cities, rather than waiting for someone else to do something for "the whole" scene.
I'm in Provo, and its easy for me to do stuff in Provo. Kenny is in Orem, and its easy for him to do stuff in Orem. Fate is in Draper/South Jordan, so it was easy enough for him to set the tourney up in Draper.
I'm promoting us all to take interest in promoting Smash where we stand, is all.

Its taking one scene, and dividing people up so that they are able to promote Smash in their own areas. The scene as a whole will naturally come together from there.
I'm trying to put across the point that it is your responsibility to promote the scene with your friends and stores and schools. Its my responsibility to promote the scene here at BYU. (Although responsibility is a strong word; we're just doing this for fun, after all. Okay, there's some cash and glory involved as well.)

Its only hard if you look at it from the point that we're all supposed to be doing everything. I'm looking at it from the point that I'm just supposed to be doing what I can here. You are doing what you can there. I find a tourney here, you find a few friends who are interested there. Its all the small odds and ends that make the scene a huge success.

Trying to make other people go to someone's house whom they don't know so that they can be a part of the scene doesn't seem to be working very well right now. I'm promoting grabbing our friends, advertising when we feel like we can or should, and if we feel up to it, doing a tourney.

Also, by dividing up into smaller areas, its not an overwhelming task to promote Smash anymore. Me and Kenny might just decide that, once he has the tourney set up, I could help him hang flyers or go to other internet sites and promote the tourney. That's not very hard for any of us. Its easier to organize things in smaller communities, but we still get a large, overall effect for the community.

I'm not sure that I'm getting my point across clear here. I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about.

But, after all this rambling, what I do know is that I still want to help the community in any way I can, and this is how I feel about it. Love you guys. Even you, DZLE.
 

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You even Love me? I am not even there yet.
 

Eyada

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So, was this a bad time for me to become interested in Brawl again? From the sound of things, the Utah tournament scene is dead/dying, correct?
 

Anonano

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Your spamming amazes me. Well, that's what this thread is for. :)

Utah, from what I know, has always been short on players. But it seems like we just keep losing more of the best players, and very few people are joining the scene right now. DZLE is Melee Only now, Dai-A, Danny, Minato, Wangston (although he's coming back for Fall and Winter semesters I think).
We've got, what, 10 people that play Melee at tournies. And about 25 Brawl players, total. Regular attendance at Brawl tournies was somewhere along the lines of 17-21 people.
Smashfests tend to have somewhere along the lines of 7-15 people.

Not bad, but not good, either. We're certainly along the lines of Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado, but judging from how many new people visit these forums and then leave, and how many people I, personally, know who would be interested in coming to a tourney, but can't, this scene has some potential.
 

Dekar173

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Who's spamming? I'm wondering when the next UT tourney is coming up, and trying to rally some of you to get some representation at Supercon.
 

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...DZLE is Melee Only now, Dai-A, Danny, Minato, Wangston (although he's coming back for Fall and Winter semesters I think)...
LOL @ "Danny, Minato", since they are the same person. I know you meant Dan (aka Waffle Can) when you said "Danny", but it's still amusing.

Also, wangston's also going on his mission soon, so he's not returning in the fall.
 

harpuia190

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ha people are only whining cause we dont have anywhere to host tourneys, even though kennys basement of fun is fun

besides yeah in a few moths we lose 2 peeps? OMG

it only feels like things are way bad here because of all this whining crying panicking and what not, look what happened a new person was interested in joining, but already he has doubts, DOUBTS ARE NO GOOD, dont make me find a ytmnd for it, look what it did to fate

fts said it best BTW

anywhoo

the only thing new people should be afraid of is

NOOB FEAR POWER RANKING
1. whats under gojis shirt
2. the bad slave
3. X (see my sig)
4. yaz wrestling everyone and you cant say no
5. lada pantsing people, men and women, young and old, its terrible, bring a belt
6. me i suppose
7. PC when you say QUIT IT by him
8. PC's Girlfriend
9. Wangstons wang
10. Lanky when he throws a controller


oh and i should put those scary melee guys who moved away
 

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New Mexico is invading our thread. >_> Get back to your own corner...

We need more tourneys... I haven't played brawl in over a month
I am ****ing part of UT pretty much.

Hey, guys don't worry your getting a great Snake/Mk main :D
 

Ken Neth

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So, I went into PnT today...

And he was supposed to open today, but he called one of his employees last second to cover for him so he could go on a hike with his family. Just my luck XD
So I'm going back into PnT tomorrow (If I can wake up before 11 XD) to see if he'll let us have tourneys there.

Ano, I think you're taking it a little too far. While it's true that people should be looking to recruit others and get more tourneys up and running, I don't think we should try to split our scene up at all. We just need to find a new places to host tourneys, that's all.

Sinz, when are you coming to Utah?
 

Sinz

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I leave from NM August 25th. Fuan times. Fuan times.
 

Anonano

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I'd say good luck, but it seems you're already back, so how did it go?

Also, I'd quote myself but I'm too lazy, so actually go back and think about what I'm trying to say here. Yes, I'm saying when you've got 17 people attending tournies, and two leave for 2 years, that does mean something. But I'm directing my speech more at getting new members, new tournies.
Its a proactive thing, not a reactive thing. Just because I listed benefits to where we are now, doesn't mean that I'm overreacting to everything. In fact, the only part of my post that was reactive was the fact that I noticed we had a small scene, and felt like I should post an idea. The actual idea is, in and of itself, an idea based on forward momentum, not filling up holes.

Seriously, at least give me the benefit of some critiquing here before you all start mocking me.
 

Ken Neth

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I talked to the PnT boss (finally!) and he sounded really enthusiastic about running a tourney around the end of this month. I even offered to run it all on my own laptop so it wouldn't get in the way of business, and he said that that won't be any problem for them to do and he won't need me to run the entire thing. He had a meeting to go to like right as I went in so he couldn't really talk right then, but he told me to come back in the next day or two and we can sit down and talk and get it all figured out.

The ONLY thing I can see that would make it so it can't happen here is if he calls the PnT in draper and they completely bash on how bad the tournies were, which I guess is a possibility. He asked where we used to hold them, and when he found out we used to hold them at another PnT store he asked why they stopped hosting them. I just told him that the employee that ran them stopped working there so they decided to stop hosting them. Hopefully that's a good enough explanation for him to not be curious and call the Draper store XD

But even if he does call their store and he has doubts about letting us host it, I have a bunch of reasons of how it would be different at his store, such as:
1) they were having an extra employee working the day of the tourney, so they didn't feel the house cut was sufficient enough to compensate for that. But here, I could run the entire thing and they wouldn't have to do anything with it.
2) If he's worried about it getting in the way of business, I can host it on my own laptop away from the main counter. That way, he wouldn't have to worry about people coming behind the counter or getting in the way of them trying to help customers. Plus, this store is bigger so there is more room for the smashers to be out of the way of the customers.
3) He can come check in and supervise the tourney for parts of it if he's worried about people roughing around in the store and doing other things that could turn away business (which the draper store owners might tell him about, and which there will be ABSOLUTELY NONE OF if they let us host a tourney here!) and if he feels it does impact his business then he can decide not to host it the next month.
4) The new area will attract lots of new people who weren't willing to drive to draper and the house cut will most likely be bigger for them. And I'll show them that flier I've made and offer to help them advertise more (than I already do.. But only if he's feeling hesitant though, cause I'm feeling kind of lazy XD)

There are others, but those are probably the biggest ones. You guys probably don't really care about all of that, but it helps me to get all of my ideas and points written down before I talk to him.


tl;dr- I don't think he'll have any problems letting us host one there near the end of the month. And if the tourney is a success, then I don't see why he wouldn't let us turn it into a monthly thing. I'll expect everyone to be on their very best behavior, especially for this first one since it will most likely be a demo for them to see if they want to continue letting us have them there.
 

harpuia190

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kenny your amazing, your my hero, you deserve an excellent ytmnd

anyways ano, i apologize, when i posted i didnt mean to direct it at you, your ideas and such are good because your coming up with ideas to benefit the scene which is awesome, so sorry if you think i was against you

i was talking about the negativity that has been in this scene for a while as of late, making everyone feel like our smash scene is going into some terrible coma, and the mexis are the only ones bringing flowers
 

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Thanks Rade.

I felt like you guys were making fun of me. I'm having this horrible feeling that I'm being teased because I care too much about a video game. I took three hours to write out that idea. I guess it was too much effort for a competitive video game community to care for. Sorry to waste your time and all with my over-the-top suggestion.
 

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Minato said there's a good chance he'll be back in Utah around the last week or two of July, and would be staying here for about 2 weeks, so if a tournament is hosted then, that'd be good timing.

And Anonano, you shouldn't be afraid that others would think you "care too much about a video game". If the people here think that, they are likely being a hypocrite, anyway. ;)
 

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Yup. I should be coming on July 19th or so if things go according to plan.
Hopefully I'll be able to stay longer than 2 weeks...
 

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In all reality who would you guys say is the best in UT?
 

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Depends on the Smash game you're talking about. But since you mostly care about Brawl...for Brawl, it would be Yaz (in the power rankings, he's not first due to missing recent tournaments and such).
 

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http://byusmashclub.blogspot.com/

Please help me out!

EDIT: Eh, it was a nice idea, but it looks like I've got no chance at all of running with it. No Brawl disk, no spare controllers, no clue. Oh well, no Smash club to look forward to. Unless someone else is going to run it, which seems highly unlikely.
 

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In all reality who would you guys say is the best in UT?
Brawl- Level 9 Metaknight (Yaz)
Melee- PC
64- Anyone who actually decides to play it. :(


I am ****ing part of UT pretty much.

Hey, guys don't worry your getting a great Snake/Mk main :D
I was mainly directing that at Dekar (No Offense), but your profile still says you live in New Mexico.


I'm going to be on vacation until the 24th, when I get back at around 1 in the morning. =) Perfect timing (Although I'll be half asleep).
 
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