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Transitioning to competitive from casual.

SlimStealthy

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So im a long time casual smasher, only just recently have i really gotten into the competitive side of the game. Been training a lot for about 2 weeks(pathetic i know) consistently and ive mastered the basics, and some character specific stuff like waveshining and dair shines etc. My problem is, i start up a match with my friend and i instantly revert to my old ****ty tactics of rolling around and spamming dash attacks. I know this is a lot so thanks if youve made it through this lol. Basically what im asking is if anyone else has had this problem, to just discuss it or give some tips to combat it.
 

Alexo30

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You just really have to focus on implementing your techniques and executing them. But when playing a casual player it is difficult to use your new techniques, since they play and see the game "differently"(given that your friend does play casually). Why I don't take games vs casuals serious at all. You really just need to focus, the main point, whether the match is for fun or not.
 

Sizzle

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There will be a brief period where it feels like you are actually playing worse despite the fact that you have more knowledge than your friends of the competitive meta. Use the matches with your friends to practice very specific things. Don't try and do everything at once. Let's say you are having trouble with l cancelling dair. Really focus on that one technique in your matches until it becomes second nature. Then move onto the next step in the string, like doing a waveshine after dair. Try not to worry about winning and losing because it is largely the thing that makes you revert back to old habits. Once you get to a certain level, playing your friends won't be enough. You'll want to find your local community and play people who are better than you. Then you will learn more about what you need to work on, and you can continue to improve. Hopefully your friends will see that they are lagging behind and they'll want to improve with you.
 

SlimStealthy

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I like the idea of just focusing on a very small technique and expanding on it slowly. Ill be sure to give that a try. Nice tips guys
 

Massive

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I actually made a post a while ago which sets up a loose framework on how to get to competitive level from a casual level.

You might have to look some terms up, (which I classify as important research) but the order of implementation works pretty well in my experience.
Check it out.
 
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SlimStealthy

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I actually made a post a while ago which sets up a loose framework on how to get to competitive level from a casual level.

You might have to look some terms up, (which I classify as important research) but the order of implementation works pretty well in my experience.
Check it out.
thanks for linking that thread, definitely answered a lot of questions i had.
 

Theftz22

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In this transition, you will want to remember never to edgehog your opponents when they are off the stage. That's cheap. Nor shall you otherwise hinder them for the usual recovery by any means. Remember your new top tiers (kirby, link, roy, pikachu) and use down-B a lot. Moreover, the C-stick shall no longer be a legal button input, nor shall grabbing in general be tolerated, except when activated by using the B button, ie Kirby's sucking move. Items shall be set to medium and hyrule is the only legal stage. Good luck on the transition.
 

Oskurito

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The reason that you resort to using dash attacks and rolls is because you haven't mastered the other techniques to the point that they become as easy as rolling or dash attacking. Not that rolling or dash attacking aren't useful, but lets just say they have their own time and place.

Yes I remember when I first started playing as fox, I would just use the less technical stuff when I find my self either getting to nervous or failing regularly.

The problem is, that falco isn't one of those characters that can be played decent enough without much technical skill. Fox for example, can do well with easy stuff like up-tilts, chain grabbing, upthrow, uair, up smashes, shine spikes, it takes less skill to do those, on the other hand falco can't do well without the much needed wavedash and shfflc.

Anyway, you wouldn't be asking this question unless you didn't mind camping lasers and forward smashes all day on FD, so my advice to you is try to resort on the easier things at first, get your laser game down, at least short hopped laser and reverse, some dash dancing in between, and your L-cancel so you can at least do some simple pillar: full jump or double jump into dair, hit L or R when you get close to the ground and shine then jump again and repeat.

Once you get used to do the wavedash and shfflc you can try incorporating them into your playing, you really need to force yourself to this stuff because that's how you get combos going, and combos are much better than rolling and dash attacking.
 

Bones0

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Been training a lot for about 2 weeks(pathetic i know) consistently
This is the opposite of pathetic. What's pathetic are the people that make excuses and moan when they haven't put even 5 minutes of effort into improving because they think they are entitled to skill.

All of the above posts are great, but the single most important thing you can do is go to events and play with competent Smashers. You'll pick up stuff WAY quicker and have A LOT more fun playing with people instead of practicing with yourself. Then, when you go back to play your friend, you'll feel like you just trained on Hard mode and switched it to Easy.
 

SlimStealthy

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This is the opposite of pathetic. What's pathetic are the people that make excuses and moan when they haven't put even 5 minutes of effort into improving because they think they are entitled to skill.

All of the above posts are great, but the single most important thing you can do is go to events and play with competent Smashers. You'll pick up stuff WAY quicker and have A LOT more fun playing with people instead of practicing with yourself. Then, when you go back to play your friend, you'll feel like you just trained on Hard mode and switched it to Easy.
Just joined my colleges ssb club and plan on making it to as many meets as possible! lol and thanks for the advice and motivation dude.
 
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