Toon Link Q&A and FAQ Thread <- VISIT THIS THREAD BEFORE CREATING A NEW TOPIC

[NH Cody]

Press B just as you're landing

 

[Dajayman]

You land as you're starting to shoot the arrow, right?

 

[WindMajor]

Yeah, and the startup lag from the arrow will be minimized greatly.

 

[Dajayman]

Yeah, I've done it on accident a couple of times but I haven't been able to consistently do it. :/

 

[Chsal]

I've noticed that if you jump (either Full Hop or Short Hop), do a back aerial and then Quickdraw an arrow in the same direction that your Bair was aimed at, Toon Link will move a tiny bit in a the opposite direction in which you shoot the arrow.

Brawl Physics.

As for QD. Think L-cancel from Melee, except not as strict.

By the way how many frames does QD cut? I always thought it just cut out the startup entirely.

 

[WindMajor]

It cut's out 16 frames of startup. The arrow's hitbox comes out on frame 18 and the move lasts 41 frames, but on a quickdraw, it comes out on frame 2 and the move lasts 25 frames.

 

[Dajayman]

So land after 18 frames pressing b?

 

[WindMajor]

No no no.

Just before you land on the ground, press B.

If you did it right, you will quick draw. What differentiates a quick draw from a regular arrow is the fact that a quickdraw magically eliminates 18 frames of lag on the startup of the attack.

 

[Chsal]

Toon Link also magically holds both the bow and shield in one hand =D.

 

[Dajayman]

TL is so broken. :3

Thanks for the help. <3

 

[Jaxys]

Toon Link also magically holds both the bow and shield in one hand =D.

Good way of telling if you did it correctly. ^^


2 Questions:

What's the difference between a regular Zair, Airdodge + Zair and Airdodge Zair while holding a bomb? I never got the difference.

& is it still considered a "quickdrawn" when the shield and bow aren't held together? Not good at noticing subtle differences.

 

[Chsal]

Zair
-He does a Zair. lol.
-Input : Z while in the air.

Airdodge + Zair
-You get the benefits of invincibility frames before a Zair. But it makes it predictable once the opponent gets used to it.
-Typically used during a short hop. Airdodge keeps you safe on the way up, and Zair covers your way down.
-Input : R, then A in the air.

Airdodge + Zair while holding a bomb
-Same as Airdodge plus Zair. You just have a bomb. rofl.
-If you get the timing right, its pretty useful if the bomb blows up while you're airdodging. Since you can Zair out of the smokescreen, and I believe the bomb -> Zair is a true combo.
-Input : R, DELAY, A in air.
-Don't do R+A together because thats invinci-bomb.

Also, it is not a quickdraw if he does not hold both together. The shield is an indicator that the quickdraw was successful.

 

[Jaxys]

Thanks. I was thinking that the airdodge or bomb may have magically extended or sped up the tether. xD

 

[Jaxys]

Sorry for a double post, but I hope that the amount of days in between will apologize!
How does one throw bombs and boomerangs farther? I've seen you guys throw'em really far when mine doesn't :o

 

[WindMajor]

If you hit side B at the same time like a smash attack, it'll go farther.
If you hit either side and then B, or lightly push the CS to any side and hit B at the same time, it won't go as far.

Just imagine you're smashing and tilting your boomerangs.

Don't worry about the double post.

 

[Jaxys]

Ooh, thanks! ^^

 

[Jaxys]

Found something quite interesting.
Bombpull -> SH -> Fthrow the bomb to your opponent -> Zair -> Follow up

I've been practicing this in training on Ganon for the past few minutes. I really like using Nair as a follow up. Sometimes, the tripping potential can lead into an arrow lock which is always nice. Also, you can use it to get a nice Hyphen slash in!

Bomb + Zair = 9-10%
Add in a Nair = 19-20%
(Second hit of Nair connects) = 29-30%
Arrow locking = !?!?!%

Bomb + Zair = 9-10%
Hyphen slash = 24-25%

Bomb + Zair = 9-10%
Grab = Up to you now

Basically, it is a must to press shield before that Zair comes in, and if timed well, it sort of acts like an InvinciBomb where you avoid the explosion of the bomb and then immediately come in with the Zair and follow up!

Not sure if this has been mentioned though, just did it on a match and I found it to be quite useful =P

 

[NH Cody]

bomb throw zair is known already

 

[Dajayman]

I find performing a zair while holding a bomb tough. Can I get some frame data or something?

The input is just R + delayed A, right? But just how delayed, because obviously if you delay too long you'll just airdodge.

 

[Thebest1pj]

I find performing a zair while holding a bomb tough. Can I get some frame data or something?

The input is just R + delayed A, right? But just how delayed, because obviously if you delay too long you'll just airdodge.

its the same as zair only holding a bomb

 

[Dajayman]

I zair with Z, if I press Z while I'm holding a bomb it'll just drop the bomb...

 

[Thebest1pj]

I zair with Z, if I press Z while I'm holding a bomb it'll just drop the bomb...

lmao its so staple with me i forgot how i do it......


R+A done

 

[Dajayman]

I found out my problem, it seems you need to hold R for a bit then press A. I was either pressing R+A which made me bomb drop or I was pressing R and letting go and then pressing A which made me do a normal bomb throw, lol.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Hyro]

I found out my problem, it seems you need to hold R for a bit then press A. I was either pressing R+A which made me bomb drop or I was pressing R and letting go and then pressing A which made me do a normal bomb throw, lol.

Thanks for the help.

no you ****ing noob.

you press r to airdodge. when you're holding a bomb and airdodging, you can zair.

Which means you press R (or L), just ****ing airdodge, then, press A...or Z.....

served with extra salt.

 

[NH Cody]

Oh my God Hyro xD

No need to be so mean...

 

[Dajayman]

I just didn't know it was possible to zair anytime during an airdodge before. I was trying to do the zair before I airdodged because I thought I'd have to wait until the airdodge was over to zair.

But I figured this over a week ago, so your mean advice didn't help. :/

 

[Thebest1pj]

dont mind hyro hes just kidding lol

 

[MJG]

dont mind hyro hes just kidding lol

Yea...pretty much all of this lol

 

[Hyro]

I just didn't know it was possible to zair anytime during an airdodge before. I was trying to do the zair before I airdodged because I thought I'd have to wait until the airdodge was over to zair.

But I figured this over a week ago, so your mean advice didn't help. :/

oh. well then **** you.

hi pj and mjg

 

[Jaxys]

What's the best way to pull out bombs? I've been trying a lot of SH bumb pull quickdraw but it's getting predictable.

Can anyone help me with the boomerang too? I don't get how to use it :D

 

[NH Cody]

lol...I don't know what to tell you if you don't know how to use a boomerang xD

Throw it?

When you're far away from your opponent?

And angle it?

lol

also another way to pull out a bomb is with a full hop, then you can do different stuff after that, such as airdodge zair into the ground, or boomerang, or FF QD, or double jump boomerang, etc.

 

[Jaxys]

It's ok, all part of the learning progress.
Thanks for the tips :D

 

[WindMajor]

Moved all those hilarious *** posts to the gd cause it was too golden for the inquiry thread lol

 

[Dajayman]

Just mix up your bomb pull. I tend to mixup SH bombpull > QD, SH bombpull > DJ, FH bomb > land on platform, and dash away bombpull > JC bombthrow.

Also tossing a boomerang in the air to cover your bombpulls helps as well, the boomerang will either hit your opponent away or it'll offer some potential protection when it comes back.

 

[Jaxys]

I feel silly for not being able to do a JC bombthrow.
But that's probably because I use the nub controller. -shakes fist at Wii Mote-

Thanks again

 

[Dajayman]

JC bombthrow is easiest with tapjump on. Just dash and flick the stick up and flick the cstick in whatver direction.

 

[Chsal]

Or you could just press Direction + A + Jump at the same time. No timing required.

And set Jump as L/R or something

(GC Controller)

 

[Jaxys]

I'm sort of limited when it comes to ATs because of the fact that I use the Wii mote of its side, but I'll be trying what Chsal said when I have time.

 

[Ic0slay3r]

I'm sort of limited when it comes to ATs because of the fact that I use the Wii mote of its side, but I'll be trying what Chsal said when I have time.

You shouldn't limit yourself. Change to a GC it will make life 100 times more easier.

 

[Chsal]

Well, doesn't really matter if you play casuals and stuff, but GC is better for anything more serious.

Or at least attach Nunchuk so you have a control stick. (SDI, in-between angle rangs, etc)