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Toon Link Matchup Rediscussion #9: Wario
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slikvik
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SDI up. If its a rising fullhop dair, try smash DIing downward
*obligatory spam*
Lobos, I own your soul
Sosuke
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http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=244972
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=244972
TLMSheikant
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Why are u linking that thread? Spam isnt my fault :/.
Sosuke
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Yeah, there are defiantly no good Fox players. =/
Not like I uploaded videos of a random Fox player almost taking Ally to last stock or anything. =/
Oh wait.
Maybe, just maybe, there match up discussions help people! *gasp*
Not like I uploaded videos of a random Fox player almost taking Ally to last stock or anything. =/
Oh wait.
Maybe, just maybe, there match up discussions help people! *gasp*
TLMSheikant
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Ugh sasuke stop criticizing my work. If you dont like my matchup discussions well...dont contribute...oh wait, u dont. At least nothing of value anyway.
Sosuke
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Sheikant, you're the only one actually trying. I didn't say you weren't.
And go look at old match up discussions and see how much I've contributed. =/
A RANDOM Fox being able to almost take Ally to last stock. All of it was from match-up that comes from these discussions.
And comparing Chip to a random player. ggs
And go look at old match up discussions and see how much I've contributed. =/
RANDOM Fox.
A RANDOM Fox being able to almost take Ally to last stock. All of it was from match-up that comes from these discussions.
And comparing Chip to a random player. ggs
TLMSheikant
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:/ What's that random's name?
Dude, in no way, getting two stocked is an accomplishment. I'm also guessing this happened in friendlies.
Also, I am not arguing the fact the fox's walls of text dont help them. Im saying, dont come comparing TL's to fox and trying to put us down because we arent handling things the way YOU want us to. The best way to learn this game is through exp anyways. Doing the match ups on your own, and finding out ways that you are comfortable with to take out your opponents character. Match ups really arent that important. These threads should be used as a place to look for tips for match ups you have trouble with. Not a step by step guide on what to do.
Also, I am not arguing the fact the fox's walls of text dont help them. Im saying, dont come comparing TL's to fox and trying to put us down because we arent handling things the way YOU want us to. The best way to learn this game is through exp anyways. Doing the match ups on your own, and finding out ways that you are comfortable with to take out your opponents character. Match ups really arent that important. These threads should be used as a place to look for tips for match ups you have trouble with. Not a step by step guide on what to do.
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Lobos
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Fox is actually good vs snake lol some random beat candy with fox and made him go MK once. lol I think shiekant is doing a good job with these and everyone puts in alittle info at a time so I don't see the big deal lol
lol sasuke chan /toonlink
lol sasuke chan /toonlink
That fox got beat pretty bad. Two solid two stocks. Showing that vid hurt your argument imo =/
But anyways, back to wario, I dont know what else there is to say. I think everything was covered. Just shut down his options people.
But anyways, back to wario, I dont know what else there is to say. I think everything was covered. Just shut down his options people.
Kaffei
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So basically wall of projectiles to zone him out?
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Well I don't know much about this match up really. What I do know is that you can grab out of Wario's bike while grounded. I also understand that not many Warios do this, just like how not many Toon Links use F-smash. Warios tend to use the bike as a form of recovery. Do not get under the bike if there is no floor below you. Also, if the bike is lying on the ground, keep it alive. A new bike won't respond until the old one disappears.
The fart (waft) is one of Wario's best moves. It's a kill move, and can be used for vertical recovery. It kills early (i think) and has a fairly large hitbox (i think). An uncharged waft trips.
Uair is Jesus for Wario. Don't get hit by it.
If you get hit by a dair, SDI up.
If you get hit by a rising dair, Di down.
I have no idea what is effective against an air campy Wario except baiting and punishing. I hear that the boomerang is a miracle worker, and that bombs are just ok.
Apparently bair strings work well. I don't know WHAT makes them work well, just like nair>quickdraw with Olimar, but it works. Ummm.... Wario's down smash is punishable. Wario's Fsmash has short range, but is powerful.
According to the Counterpicks/Ban stage, Smashville and Yoshi's Island are good CPs (especially YI). On the other hand, Norfair and Brinstar are must bans. BTW Sasuke, you have to fix a sentence in the Wario section of the CP/Ban thread.
The fart (waft) is one of Wario's best moves. It's a kill move, and can be used for vertical recovery. It kills early (i think) and has a fairly large hitbox (i think). An uncharged waft trips.
Uair is Jesus for Wario. Don't get hit by it.
If you get hit by a dair, SDI up.
If you get hit by a rising dair, Di down.
I have no idea what is effective against an air campy Wario except baiting and punishing. I hear that the boomerang is a miracle worker, and that bombs are just ok.
Apparently bair strings work well. I don't know WHAT makes them work well, just like nair>quickdraw with Olimar, but it works. Ummm.... Wario's down smash is punishable. Wario's Fsmash has short range, but is powerful.
According to the Counterpicks/Ban stage, Smashville and Yoshi's Island are good CPs (especially YI). On the other hand, Norfair and Brinstar are must bans. BTW Sasuke, you have to fix a sentence in the Wario section of the CP/Ban thread.
Is there anything else that I should know?
copacetic
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I'm a random TL that took Ally to about 190% 2nd stock each time in pools. I don't have too much snake exp, these discussions help. (also, game 2 he had to C4 to recover, I spiked him out of it but he DI'ed onstage and teched the landing and hit me with an utilt while i was still in the pogo. WTF.)
And for wario, if you can get his bike onstage, just try to camp near it and keep him away. Wait for him to do something stupid and get him offstage. His recovery sucks without the bike unless he has a full waft
Kaffei
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How does the waft build up anyway? Is there something the Wario player has to do in order to charge up the fart, or does it just build up as time progresses?
Time is your enemy.
Kaffei
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Oh.. I always thought he had to eat stuff with his neutral B.
Self Distructo
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When he's off the edge and tries to bite you and suicide, throw a bomb in his mouth and he'll fall from the lag =D. That's my one and only strategy against Wario. Don't judge me.
copacetic
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I play against a good wario and kirby a lot. TL shouldn't ever be killed by a bite- or (non-D3) swallowcide unless you're way offstage or on Japes. Our vertical recovery is too good for that, even without a second jump.
KaosBombix
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55-45 I think
when you start the match ( 8 minutes - 7 minutes, you can fight with bair, uair, nair ... and after, when is Bdown can kill really fast ( 7 minutes - 6 ), you can camping a lots I think
G-Dub
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Might want to check the date of the last post before poting....
TreezNTreflips
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I actually rock at this matchup and I dont think its in warios favor at all, here are some tips
- Warios almost never approach from the ground, thats the most important thing
- Knowing this you can pretty much read his position in the air and have a sword there with any of your ariels
- They like to air dodge a lot so you have to memorize their trajectory and time the bair/nair/fair/upair to the end of hte air dodge
- Our down air takes away his valuable kill option, upair
DEALING WITH WAFTS:
- Warios usually don't waft perfectly oos and in fast reaction situations, most of the warios ive fought have a pattern or mind-games strat for hitting them
- The most common ways Warios setup the waft are:
-Dropping it on your head from above (they also us upairs like this)
-Fair Setups
BIKE TRICKS
-They like to throw their bikes off the edge
-The also can extend their hit boxes by hitting the bike, for example if they waft on it it'll spread that hitbox
- Warios almost never approach from the ground, thats the most important thing
- Knowing this you can pretty much read his position in the air and have a sword there with any of your ariels
- They like to air dodge a lot so you have to memorize their trajectory and time the bair/nair/fair/upair to the end of hte air dodge
- Our down air takes away his valuable kill option, upair
DEALING WITH WAFTS:
- Warios usually don't waft perfectly oos and in fast reaction situations, most of the warios ive fought have a pattern or mind-games strat for hitting them
- The most common ways Warios setup the waft are:
-Dropping it on your head from above (they also us upairs like this)
-Fair Setups
BIKE TRICKS
-They like to throw their bikes off the edge
-The also can extend their hit boxes by hitting the bike, for example if they waft on it it'll spread that hitbox
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