Social Time to Tip the Scales Again! - Robin Thread

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Robin is the Avatar character in Fire Emblem Awakening and a newcomer in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. Appearing as not only a sword fighter, but as well as a unique tome user - this tactician brought the mage perspective of the Fire Emblem series to Smash with various spells. Since then, Robin has continued to remain fairly popular and has made appearances in multiple FE titles since Awakening.

Let's use this thread to discuss Robin, his/her chances in the upcoming Smash, and any changes you'd like to see with the character. Keep this civilized fellow tacticians!
 
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Kind of unsure on Robin's chances on making it into Smash Switch. Could make a case for either way really. But ultimately character representation in this game largely boils down to the dev team's philosophy on overall roster size, what criteria they use for who gets in and who doesn't (both in general and per franchise), the time and resources available to them, etc.

But as for a wishlist of things I'd like to see for Robin if she indeed does make it into the game (without going super crazy):
-jumpsquat 7f-->5f
-Bronze Sword matches length of the Levin Sword, hitboxes changed to match new length
-Arcfire does a better job at keeping people stuck inside it a la Arcthunder
-a new Utilt; basically make it something like....well basically most other swordie Utilts really
 

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Was wondering when someone would post this thread. Robin is definitely mine favourite Smash character of all time. Nobody else on the roster feels more natural to me. That said, I really hope he doesn't get cut. Non-clone characters have been cut before.

Fire Emblem Fates is the first Fire Emblem game since Gaiden to feature unbreakable weapons. That said, I wonder if this will be the same for future Fire Emblem titles. If so, then I would deeply appreciate the removal of Robin's limitations. I dare say, running out of Wind magick at the wrong time is not convenient.

I really wish Arcfire and Arcthunder had less endlag. It would make follow ups so much easier. Furthermore, I really didn't like the change to his jab in patch 1.1.5. They should have increased the hitstun, not the knockback. That would have made his fire jab that much more reliable. Overall, I feel Robin needs a lot more polishing, and I'm hoping he does get polished in Smash Switch--assuming, of course, he returns.
 
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I feel Robin is one of the most safe newcomers from Smash 4 to return. He/she does rep the game that made Fire Emblem break into mainstream and also forfills one of Sakurai's most important criteria, namely a character that stands out in the roster due they have a unique moveset due their gimmick (in Robin's case him being a Mage character and the weapon breaking)
 

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I feel Robin is one of the most safe newcomers from Smash 4 to return. He/she does rep the game that made Fire Emblem break into mainstream and also forfills one of Sakurai's most important criteria, namely a character that stands out in the roster due they have a unique moveset due their gimmick (in Robin's case him being a Mage character and the weapon breaking)
While I do agree that Robin fits the criteria quite well, I am somewhat worried given the excess nature of Fire Emblem in Smash. I highly doubt Robin is the character that will be cut, but the potential is definitely there if they want to keep Corrin to "represent" Fates and Lucina can more or less do the same for Awakening. I would not even count out Chrom this time around either. All I am saying, in a world where Mewtwo was cut... Twice, anything can happen.
 

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So while I know that Lucina is much more popular as a character, Robin is so unique and such a breath of fresh air for the FE reps. I'd be really upset if they didn't come back.

Personally, I wasn't great with Robin at first, I really had to work at it to git gud, but I felt like the effort was worth it. Plus Awakening is a perfect game so don't betray me again Sakurai I've got my eyes on you
 

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Robin was my personal favourite newcomer in Sm4sh, and I too really hope he returns.

Robin just fit my playstyle very well - I found it brilliant how even spells like Nosferatu were implemented (despite him being inspired from the tactician class ) as well as the breakable tomes. Additionally, Robin draws the fine line from a swordsman from the FE series with a good mix of mage elements as well - making quite a unique combination imo.

While there are areas about Robin's kit that could certainly be improved, I really enjoyed maining him in Sm4sh and would love to see the strategist return in the next entry. :4robinm:
 
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All in all, I'm not too worried about Robin's chances. A standout newcomer with a very unique moveset from a series that grew to prominence at the very same time, his odds of being cut are near zero. Assuming there are cuts at all, and who knows if there will be if this thing started as an enhanced port.

Should be interesting to see what changes are made, though. Somehow, Robin ended up with the frame data and animation of a ranged grab (think Greninja), but the hitbox placement of a melee grab, despite not actually grabbing with his hand. Then there're other touch ups I wouldn't mind, like making Arcfire's hitboxes a little bigger to make it more reliable at trapping and setting up followups, or fixing Robin's jab so that both finishers actually work well in the same patch for the first time ever. Or if they're up for something more dynamic, how about giving the end of Elwind what Olimar's up special has, where he doesn't go into freefall immediately and can perform one action before freefall kicks in? Would let him cover his ascent with a well timed Levin aerial and not have to rely on maneuvering around edgeguards all the time.

That said...I'm still worried about if it'd help people's views on Robin in the long run. From observing things over the last few years, I've realized his viability is actively harmed by how he was perceived from the get go. Considered too slow to be a threat despite not wanting to rush people down, too campy despite preferring to fight at midrange and not long range, too spammy despite his mix of swordplay and spells being some of the most complex and versatile zoning in the game. His aerials, deemed too slow to keep people out despite being nigh unpunishable when used correctly. Arcfire, nothing more than a bad, laggy wall despite actually being built for situational trapping and not for use in neutral.

In truth, most Smashers saw Robin, expected Toon Link or Duck Hunt, saw he didn't do Toon Link things or Duck Hunt things very well, then declared him a lost cause before ever bothering to look up what Robin things were. Part of me worries that no matter what buffs he receives, he'll never see the top half of any tier list ever unless those buffs are specifically to his run speed and startup to make him more like what he was expected to be rather than accentuate what he was meant to be.

But, look at me, prophesying doom like this. Not very tactician-like, is it? After all, we're not pawns of some scripted fate.

On a brighter note, it'll be interesting to see if any of Robin's palette swaps get changed up. Could we see one based on Kiran's colors, from Heroes? Could female Robin's pink variant see an upgrade to look more like Katarina's colors? And what if we see more extensive alternate costumes this time around? I doubt I'm the only one hoping for a Grandmaster outfit.
 
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I cannot imagine Robin being cut; Sakurai flat out said that he adds the essence of Fire Emblem games to Smash, and additionally inspired the infamous quote about needing to see characters dance in his head to work.

Robin is not going anywhere.
 
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I had this idea, and let me hear your thoughts, guys.

Not to steal the "thunder" of ideas from the newcomer speculation in regards to Celica, but an idea I had seen tossed around was recoil damage from using spells.

The lands of Valentia and Archanea are located in the same world, meaning the events of both continents co-exist. This applies to Awakening as well, since the land of Ylisse is merely Archanea in one millennium. In Valentia, the mages used spells without tomes or staves. This had a cost; their life force.

This got me thinking, if a mage in Fire Emblem is to use a tome, they can cast that magic (as long as they know it) without consuming their life energy. Hence why each tome has a specific number of uses, because each use consumes a portion of the book which is magically designed to protect the life energies of the users.

With this in mind, it can technically be implied that mages who use tomes can also cast that magic without the tomes, at the cost of life energy.

So, here's my suggestion: Whenever Robin fully uses up a tome, he doesn't lose access to that type of magic; he merely loses the ability to use that magic safely. Once he's used up a tome, he's still fully capable of performing that magic again without it, but it deals recoil damage that varies depending upon the strength of the magic used.

Eventually, just like in Sm4sh, he'd reacquire the tomes he's lost, and thus gain safe usage of each spell again.

I think a mechanic like this would be interesting to see, and it would automatically make Nosferatu a spell worth making stronger.
 

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So, here's my suggestion: Whenever Robin fully uses up a tome, he doesn't lose access to that type of magic; he merely loses the ability to use that magic safely. Once he's used up a tome, he's still fully capable of performing that magic again without it, but it deals recoil damage that varies depending upon the strength of the magic used.
That's actually not a bad idea. Like I said before, running out of Wind magick at the wrong time is not fun. Ergo, if nothing else, this change would make recovery that much safer. Furthermore, his jabs would still be reliable, even if his Wind or Fire tome is broken.

I approve.
 
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but but... throwing books at people is pure distilled charm.

I actually love the uses mechanic, means that i need to plan and manage. plus robin trash is actually great and versatile projectiles, and let you do fun stuff like turning an unsafe aereal into safe by just discarding a levinsword in someone's face.

Yeah, running out of wind charges can be annoying, but since teh recharge is so fast you only are at danger of this if the charge is lost in the middle of the move.
 

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I just want him to not be so clunky and slow.
Also, Chrom what the hell are you doing in my Victory intro. Get your *** over to Lucina because you certainly didn't help me.
 

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I'm so so SO glad Robin made it back and excited to see what kind of improvements we're getting! With just a little more speed I feel like she would be an extremely deadly character. Since Sakurai has been trying to slowly buff her up to par since her inception, I feel like he might be tempted to give her a little more nudge in that direction.
 

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Yes! My second main is back! Looking forward to using him again! (Also happy to see his green costume back! Now to see if we get White Mage!Robin as well.)

Also, his render looks awesome!
 

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Very happy to see him back, and that Levin Sword/Tomes meter is a very welcoming change for Robin indeed!

Seems like his Elwind doesn't cover as much distance as Sm4sh, but that might just be me! Looking forward to playing the tactician once again!
 

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Do we know what the change to Elwind is based on the footage we've seen in his character intro clip on the website?? It looks from that one clip that the angle was changed on the second shot. Perhaps he can aim it now.(?)

EDIT: Here's the vid for those of you who haven't seen it yet.
 
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I am under the impression that Robin can aim Elwind, as well as the direction of his ascent. If you pay close attention, when he fires the first wind blade to the right, he rises to the left--and vice versa. I fancy that if the player holds no direction, Robin will simply go upward.

Personally, I like this change, as it not only enhances Robin's recovery, but also Elwind's offensive properties.

I also like the change to Robin's jab. Not only is the animation more dexterous, the move is noticeably faster. Hopefully the fire finish can actually true combo now.
 
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I agree with Altais that this version of Elwind seems to provide more control of the blades itself, but looking at the brief footage again leaves me with the impression that the height distance was nerfed a bit, on account that Robin is definitely heavier...so uh, a nerf with benefits? Now I really hope those blades can be controlled.
 
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So I know that we haven't gotten a render for Female Robin yet for Smash Ultimate, so for my Sunset Shores stuff I basically just stole a similar posed Robin's hair from FE Heroes and threw it onto Male Robin's form... I think it works


 

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Speaking of art, I'm certainly loving the updated portraits of both Robins, they look like they aged about 5 years and look a bit more mature as their faces look more sculpted and defined...in an anime style way that is. Their new poses speak of their character well, at least for M Robin.
 
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Looks like I am the new mod around here, so I guess I should make my presence known. Hi folks. :p

Like everyone else here, I was really happy to see our tacticians (and all the other FE characters too) return for Ultimate. Here's to tipping more scales for years to come!


Still waiting on that female Robin render, though. Nintendo pls
 

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Like everyone else here, I was really happy to see all FE characters return for Ultimate. Here's to tipping more scales for years to come!
Long time no see!! I was overjoyed to learn of everyone's return. The roster is almost complete, now. Now we just need Takumi, Chrom, Hector, Ephraim, Tiki, Cordelia, Celica, Morgan, and Innes. Then we'll have everyone we need.
 

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Hi there Robins.

I'm kinda somewhat of a Robin player. Pocket to be moreso accurate. I dabble with the character occasionally on For Glory.

I'm fond of Awakening and a FE fan since Path of Radiance. The oldest I've finished was Binding Blade and am going through Genealogy of the Holy War atm.

I watched this thread so I hope I can meet you all and make friends.

What up though.
 
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