Rhubarbo
Smash Champion
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SSB64 was revolutionary in the sense that it departed from the typical fighting formula. You didn't have to stare at a foe, you didn't have damage meters. You had percentages, you roamed the stages freely, you had items at your disposal, you had the luxury of four player fun without difficulties. WHat stood out from all of it's revolutionary aspects was however the fact that it incorporated Nintendo characters from so "many" different series.
The argument was about to get settled. If Mario crossed Link's turf, who's butt would get whooped? What would happed if Falco left his arwing and challenged a 10 year old Psychic boy? Would the elusive female heroine Samus trump the king of Kong's DK? These were all settled in the ring.
One of the most popular rivalries was not present however. This was quite the rivalry that spanned quite some years. Was the blue blurr gonna be able to beat the man in red? This question could not be answered in the previous Smashes as the series was limited to Nintendo characters only. This was to many peoples dismay.
After everyone saw the E3 trailer, they probably ran to the forums to post their content with the spectacle (poor mods). After the first topic (OMG, SNAKEz in da BrAwLZ!) there was the "What About Sonic?"
The speculation for third party, non-Nintendo characters began. It dominated, and still dominates much of the Smash community. On October 10h 07, fans prayers were answered and Sonic was confirmed for Brawl.
In a recent article, from some random Korean site, it was stated that there might be more third party characters in a manner that implicated that there would be. Is this a hoaze, most likely. It is however likely that there will indeed be yet another third party character, and knowing Sakurai, knowing that character will be impossible until the game is out (or spoiled by Corocoro).
There are many candidates, some obvious, some whacky. If I were asked what non-Nintendo character would I expect in a Smash game prior to Brawl's announcement, I would have said Megaman and Sonic. We did get Snake, now who else might we get. Here are some candidates I have listed:
Megaman: The robot that has pleased us all. He has many varaints spanning the manifestations of humans, robots, and Internet crawling navigators. What variation would be in Brawl, the one I mentioned above, Classic Megaman. He is the original, the most renowned, and the least butchered.
The next candidate would probably be NT/Star Force Megaman because he is Nintendo exclusive. Then, X, Zero, and Legends (Legends will never happen though).
Sora: The cosen one of the Keyblade, the fighter of the heartless, the one who looted Mr.Game and Watch's home, is another likley candidate for Brawl. I wont make the obvious connection and say his odds are high because of his music composer being in the list of musicians (even though that does make his odds quite higher), I have some other reasons.
There is an upcoming KH game for the DS featuring Roxas, not Sora. Sora is the protagonist of the series and would likely be the promotional character for the game even if he is not the main character.
The only thing that might hinder his appearance are the fact that his companions are Donald and Goofy. These guys should NEVER, I say NEVER, be even mentioned in a Smash Bros game. If Sora was in, even his trophy should not mention these two goof balls. I don't hate them by any means, I just think that anything not videogame based should be in Brawl. The King would've been a cool AT, but Cloud, Squall and Vivi could compensate for that.
NOTE: Sora is owned by Disney, not Square Enix contrary to popular belief. If he made it to Brawl, Nintendo would have to make deals with Square for some of their elements and Disney.
Geno: He is the talking doll, and is quite the popular one amongst the guys! Geno is a doll that is possessed by an alien in Super Mario RPG. He did star in a Mario game, however that game was not developed by Nintendo and some characters in it were owned by Square Enix.
Geno, was one of those characters.
His abilitites central around power beams. This may lead to some un-interesting movesets, but Sakurai has the potential to do wonders with his characters. This definitely would not be an expected character to the roster, and would certainly add some spice to the deal.
Lloyd: He esscorted the chosen one who would restore mana and save the world. He is Lloyd Irving. His gaming debut was on the Gamecube in 2004. His adventure was so grand, it spanned two discs. This charcter has something many others do not, personality. He is a unique individual, and is not that typical
His moves can centre around his techniques with the dual blades, and his magic skills. His inclusion is high because he debuted on a Nintendo system. Could his inclusion support a Wii Tales game from Namco, might we see a Pac-Man AT if he joins (Namco owns Lloyd and the Pizza Man)?
Bomber Man: Wielding bombs, the bomber tries out for Brawl. I don't know too much about him as a character. I ahve played his games and it is evident that he could have a moveset.
His inclusion is helped because a large number of his games have appeared on Nintendo consoles, he debuted on the NES, and Hudson and Nintendo have a deal to feature Hudson games on the Virtual Console.
I don't see him in because he is not that popular on a general concensus, and his games usually tend to be rehashes of previous ones.
Simon Belmont: You might not know who he is form there, but that is Simon Belmont from Castlevania, the vampire slaying series. I know next to nothing of the sereis aside from the fact that Nintendo has good relations with Konami in regards to this game (OMG, YUGIOH FOR BRAWL!)
Viewtiful Joe: Another character I know absolutely nothing about. Viewtiful Joe debuted on teh Gamecube and had two games on that console. I don't see him making it to Brawl, but if there is another on of his games coming his odds might be increased. I don't think so.
Banjo Kazooie: He's finally here, Brawling for you, he's the last member of the third party crew! Banjo started off on the N64 but was then purchased by Microsoft. If deals between them and Nintendo can be reached, he would fit nicely into Brawl. He has a large repertoire of techniques that could be utilized, and would fit in with all the other characters.
Amaterasu: She is the fallen goddess of the Okami games in a molf manifestation. If Wolf Link can't be in, she is the best alternative (superior to me). Her game is stellar, and she is set to appear on the Wii as well. I can see her getting in.
Here are some characters I wrote off as third party suggestions:
Isaac, Golden Sun: He isn't third party (I've hears some people claim this)...
Master Chief, Halo: He is too violent for the likes of Brawl. I'm aware that he could utilize his plasma grenades, energy sword, and support weapons, but we already have a more "serious" character in Snake. He fits Brawl better anyways.
Spyro the Dragon: The king of washed up kings! Spyro is a dead beat whom stopped being remoely good after his third game. I loved the Spyro games on the Playstation. Even if he wasn't washed up, he would not fit that well into Brawl (I would have given him a mention though if this was 1997 and Brawl was coming out then).
Crash Bandicoot: See Spyro. Replace Spyro with Crash, replace any reference of liking Sypro with being impartial, and mention he sucks.
Ratchet: As much as I love this guy, he is Sony. Sony and Nintendo...no.
Digimon (Augomon, Vee Mon, e.c.t.): As a wee lad, I loved this series. Now, they are almost as butchered as Spyro and Crash. They didn't originate in a Manga, they started off as virtual pets, so they have some sort of odds (OMG, Tomagochi still have chance!). I wouldn't mind a Digimon, but I definitely would not care, request or demand one.
Shonen Character (Naruto, Goku, e.c.t.): Sakurai has confirmed that all third party character would have to have appeared on a Nintendo system, and be VIDEOGAME characters. (Wheew, 300 characters down on one point).
Cloud: If any Square (I know he isn't Square, but he might as well just be), Sora would make it in over Cloud.
This is my list of the mot likely third parties from top to bottom:
1) Megaman
1.1) Sora
1.2) Geno
(Those three are so close to put one higher than the other)
4)Amaterasu
5)Simon Belmont
6) Lloyd Irving
7)Banjo-Kazooie
8) Bomber Man
9) Viewtiful Joe
The argument was about to get settled. If Mario crossed Link's turf, who's butt would get whooped? What would happed if Falco left his arwing and challenged a 10 year old Psychic boy? Would the elusive female heroine Samus trump the king of Kong's DK? These were all settled in the ring.
One of the most popular rivalries was not present however. This was quite the rivalry that spanned quite some years. Was the blue blurr gonna be able to beat the man in red? This question could not be answered in the previous Smashes as the series was limited to Nintendo characters only. This was to many peoples dismay.
After everyone saw the E3 trailer, they probably ran to the forums to post their content with the spectacle (poor mods). After the first topic (OMG, SNAKEz in da BrAwLZ!) there was the "What About Sonic?"
The speculation for third party, non-Nintendo characters began. It dominated, and still dominates much of the Smash community. On October 10h 07, fans prayers were answered and Sonic was confirmed for Brawl.
In a recent article, from some random Korean site, it was stated that there might be more third party characters in a manner that implicated that there would be. Is this a hoaze, most likely. It is however likely that there will indeed be yet another third party character, and knowing Sakurai, knowing that character will be impossible until the game is out (or spoiled by Corocoro).
There are many candidates, some obvious, some whacky. If I were asked what non-Nintendo character would I expect in a Smash game prior to Brawl's announcement, I would have said Megaman and Sonic. We did get Snake, now who else might we get. Here are some candidates I have listed:
Megaman: The robot that has pleased us all. He has many varaints spanning the manifestations of humans, robots, and Internet crawling navigators. What variation would be in Brawl, the one I mentioned above, Classic Megaman. He is the original, the most renowned, and the least butchered.
The next candidate would probably be NT/Star Force Megaman because he is Nintendo exclusive. Then, X, Zero, and Legends (Legends will never happen though).
Sora: The cosen one of the Keyblade, the fighter of the heartless, the one who looted Mr.Game and Watch's home, is another likley candidate for Brawl. I wont make the obvious connection and say his odds are high because of his music composer being in the list of musicians (even though that does make his odds quite higher), I have some other reasons.
There is an upcoming KH game for the DS featuring Roxas, not Sora. Sora is the protagonist of the series and would likely be the promotional character for the game even if he is not the main character.
The only thing that might hinder his appearance are the fact that his companions are Donald and Goofy. These guys should NEVER, I say NEVER, be even mentioned in a Smash Bros game. If Sora was in, even his trophy should not mention these two goof balls. I don't hate them by any means, I just think that anything not videogame based should be in Brawl. The King would've been a cool AT, but Cloud, Squall and Vivi could compensate for that.
NOTE: Sora is owned by Disney, not Square Enix contrary to popular belief. If he made it to Brawl, Nintendo would have to make deals with Square for some of their elements and Disney.
Geno: He is the talking doll, and is quite the popular one amongst the guys! Geno is a doll that is possessed by an alien in Super Mario RPG. He did star in a Mario game, however that game was not developed by Nintendo and some characters in it were owned by Square Enix.
Geno, was one of those characters.
His abilitites central around power beams. This may lead to some un-interesting movesets, but Sakurai has the potential to do wonders with his characters. This definitely would not be an expected character to the roster, and would certainly add some spice to the deal.
Lloyd: He esscorted the chosen one who would restore mana and save the world. He is Lloyd Irving. His gaming debut was on the Gamecube in 2004. His adventure was so grand, it spanned two discs. This charcter has something many others do not, personality. He is a unique individual, and is not that typical
His moves can centre around his techniques with the dual blades, and his magic skills. His inclusion is high because he debuted on a Nintendo system. Could his inclusion support a Wii Tales game from Namco, might we see a Pac-Man AT if he joins (Namco owns Lloyd and the Pizza Man)?
Bomber Man: Wielding bombs, the bomber tries out for Brawl. I don't know too much about him as a character. I ahve played his games and it is evident that he could have a moveset.
His inclusion is helped because a large number of his games have appeared on Nintendo consoles, he debuted on the NES, and Hudson and Nintendo have a deal to feature Hudson games on the Virtual Console.
I don't see him in because he is not that popular on a general concensus, and his games usually tend to be rehashes of previous ones.
Simon Belmont: You might not know who he is form there, but that is Simon Belmont from Castlevania, the vampire slaying series. I know next to nothing of the sereis aside from the fact that Nintendo has good relations with Konami in regards to this game (OMG, YUGIOH FOR BRAWL!)
Viewtiful Joe: Another character I know absolutely nothing about. Viewtiful Joe debuted on teh Gamecube and had two games on that console. I don't see him making it to Brawl, but if there is another on of his games coming his odds might be increased. I don't think so.
Banjo Kazooie: He's finally here, Brawling for you, he's the last member of the third party crew! Banjo started off on the N64 but was then purchased by Microsoft. If deals between them and Nintendo can be reached, he would fit nicely into Brawl. He has a large repertoire of techniques that could be utilized, and would fit in with all the other characters.
Amaterasu: She is the fallen goddess of the Okami games in a molf manifestation. If Wolf Link can't be in, she is the best alternative (superior to me). Her game is stellar, and she is set to appear on the Wii as well. I can see her getting in.
Here are some characters I wrote off as third party suggestions:
Isaac, Golden Sun: He isn't third party (I've hears some people claim this)...
Master Chief, Halo: He is too violent for the likes of Brawl. I'm aware that he could utilize his plasma grenades, energy sword, and support weapons, but we already have a more "serious" character in Snake. He fits Brawl better anyways.
Spyro the Dragon: The king of washed up kings! Spyro is a dead beat whom stopped being remoely good after his third game. I loved the Spyro games on the Playstation. Even if he wasn't washed up, he would not fit that well into Brawl (I would have given him a mention though if this was 1997 and Brawl was coming out then).
Crash Bandicoot: See Spyro. Replace Spyro with Crash, replace any reference of liking Sypro with being impartial, and mention he sucks.
Ratchet: As much as I love this guy, he is Sony. Sony and Nintendo...no.
Digimon (Augomon, Vee Mon, e.c.t.): As a wee lad, I loved this series. Now, they are almost as butchered as Spyro and Crash. They didn't originate in a Manga, they started off as virtual pets, so they have some sort of odds (OMG, Tomagochi still have chance!). I wouldn't mind a Digimon, but I definitely would not care, request or demand one.
Shonen Character (Naruto, Goku, e.c.t.): Sakurai has confirmed that all third party character would have to have appeared on a Nintendo system, and be VIDEOGAME characters. (Wheew, 300 characters down on one point).
Cloud: If any Square (I know he isn't Square, but he might as well just be), Sora would make it in over Cloud.
This is my list of the mot likely third parties from top to bottom:
1) Megaman
1.1) Sora
1.2) Geno
(Those three are so close to put one higher than the other)
4)Amaterasu
5)Simon Belmont
6) Lloyd Irving
7)Banjo-Kazooie
8) Bomber Man
9) Viewtiful Joe
