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This. Now I don't want faster run speed but a little less endlag on arcfire would not hurt. And Zar it being long lasting doesn't really amount to much and is actually a detriment against characters like G&W and Ness/Lucas. Characters with great speed and mobility don't respect it and others can easily short hop it. Not saying its bad I like Robin's whole kit very much but a slight tweak could be helpful.
I have to vehemently disagree with you there. The long-lasting-ness of Arcfire makes it perfect for edgeguarding. Placing it correctly on the edge of the stage when an opponent is grabbing the ledge will LITERALLY remove 4/5 of their possible recovery options. Jump, stand, attack, and idle. Leaving them only with roll.
Since always. It's a wall and trapper that lasts forever and can combo into aerials for damage or kills. It lasts long enough to be good at covering the ledge and refreshes after ten seconds.
I do agree with this like I said but a buff to arcfire isn't ludicrous by any means. It isn't OP nor would it be with that change. It would be nice and that's what I would like but Robin is balanced I feel just like Dark/Pit and CFalc ... Sure it can't be buffed to make it some ultimo move but the one I suggested would help it a little without taking away its weaknesses which do exist and that's good to keep it balanced.
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just curious what you think terrible attacks/QOL changes you would like to focus on. I hope its not a better jumpsquat like some people have mentioned. Would like to know what you find is in need of a change that would be in the realm of possibility without making Robin OP
I agree with 1 and 13 but then again I agree with it for just about every character even Sheik. The rest I haven't found to be that bothersome for me except for 3 sometimes like you said. #10 happens to other characters as well grabs and attacks it would be nice if it didn't but I'm no expert on it. As for # 7 do you mean 5 uses for Nos?
I find it simultaneously bizarre and funny really. I'm not sure why after losing someone will switch to a character they have basically no idea how to play. Like do they think that Robin is
levels of easybake or something? What are they trying to prove by giving me a practically free win? But I see someone do that and I'm just like "lol ok bud you be salty that's cute".
This happens regardless of character. They're just salty because they lost.I find it simultaneously bizarre and funny really. I'm not sure why after losing someone will switch to a character they have basically no idea how to play. Like do they think that Robin is
You may have insanely powerful aerials but I prefer Bronze Sword. >.>
Robin doesn't have the slowest walking speed, the in-game tooltip is misleading.
It does at 2, yes, but the point still stands
I like to think of the new jab as one the slayer weapons from FE: Fates.
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I think it means that Nosferatu hits for two frames per hit now...seems to be a minor change in any case.
I noticed the jab changes before the change was confirmed, but the wind Jab was already finicky to begin with.
It's basically a combination of two things. First being main bias. Lot of the time people tend to grossly overrate (non-San Ike mains, Jiggs mains, ESAM and Pika, etc) or underrate (ZeRo downplaying the **** out of pre-patch Sheik, etc) their main and so it's easy to just assume that someone talking more positively/negatively about a character than they personally believe is just being biased and therefore what they say is largely invalid.
Ugh, I've never been a big fan of stacking things based on tournament results. Some characters can be popular or unpopular despite how strong they may actually be, based on how appealing they are to high and top level players. Not to mention how often personal bias gets thrown into the mix, as with all the times you see Robin bashed for having "no results", ignoring the results that are there, and then ranking characters with sigificantly fewer notable placements higher! Seriously, how many times have we seen Robin placed below someone less repped like Falco, someone fallen from favor like Pac-Man, or someone riding entirely on the hype they initially had like Roy?
I agree with you my precious Kamaitachi no Jutsu is nerfed.
Since when did ZeRo downplay Shiek? Heck, he was saying back when Pre-patch Diddy was a thing that Shiek may possibly be better (and quite a few people agree that he was right, especially in the 3DS days), and never once even tried to imply that Shiek wasn't substantially better than the rest of the cast.
While I can only speak so much for those other characters, there are traits Robin has that get overlooked constantly. For one, Robin actually has an effective midrange spacing game thanks to short hopped aerials (Levin fair and bair are functionally safe if spaced well, and everything but his dair can be used free of landing lag from a short hop!), Elthunder, Arcthunder, and the occasional Acfire against opponents with more linear approaches. He may struggle when someone gets in, but if you're not among the fastest and don't have a strong reflector, he makes you work to get in. Furthermore, while Robin can't turtle the way someone like Villager or Duck Hunt can, he doesn't necessarily need to when he can convert half his projectiles into a combo or juggle opportunity, and thanks to having average air speed and jump height (Something else that always gets overlooked!), can effectively use empty short hops and air dodges (Can even short hop and immediately air dodge without incurring landing lag!) to get around most projectile walls.
No one was saying that Robin was an "amazing" character. I will agree that Robin has a lot of trouble against top tier characters, but, as you also said, Robin is a character that belongs in the mid-tier, so that's to be expected. The problem is that Robin is often considered a low tier character, because of his/her low speed and subpar frame data, but they overlook his/her actual benefits and focus on the negatives.
And thats how Sakurai makes a character, not only true to its origins but gives it a unique niche in the metagame. While most characters reward you for your skill with the gamepad, Robin rewards you for your cunning and tactics you formulate by studying your opponent, a lost or two, then adjusting your plan to predict, read and crush your opponents before they even commit to something.
Pardon me for jumping the gun. I've just seen it so many times; there's a "golden area" for where people generally like to place these mid-low tier characters. This generally ends up being around 20th, or "high tier". I've seen it happen so much now I just expect it at this point, and more often than not I'm right on the mark.
bouncing off of that...I have a very hard time connecting Arcthunder into Arcfire, or vice-versa. It just makes me facepalm whenever I miss that perfect opportunity.
