The Zodiac Braves a NJ/NY Crew *OMG what is that? it's a tree*

[Inui]

I wasn't at ESTICLE.

I know placings aren't the only things that matter, fool. I'm a panelist that understands this completely.

Who you beat and lose to matters the most.

Winners' bracket
Bye
Lost to DMBrandon

Losers' bracket
Bye
Lost to J.G Wentworth


Overall placing: 49/69

 

[_Yes!_]

you where at something in CT where you did badly lol.

we're supposed to help people get better dude, not demoralize them with tourney performances. the kid has potential, no need to rub it in his face about a tourney. have some heart v.v

 

[Inui]

you where at something in CT where you did badly lol.

we're supposed to help people get better dude, not demoralize them with tourney performances. the kid has potential, no need to rub it in his face about a tourney. have some heart v.v

I don't recall ever entering a tournament in CT.

I may be a prick sometimes, but I'm realistic. People have been overrating Bleachigo a lot and saying crap like he's better than Keitaro. Keitaro is much better and easily the best Falco in NJ and he might be better than D1 now. Imo, it's insulting to Keitaro and all of his accomplishments for people to say Bleachigo is better.

 

[Max Ketchum]

XII.ESTICLE, August 9th

You got 33rd or 17th or something.

*goes back to sleep*

 

[Mrdc]

Bleachigo has shown a lot of improvement lately. He has dedication and is always looking for advice or practice in order to improve even more.

Just my $0.02

 

[Inui]

XII.ESTICLE, August 9th

You got 33rd or 17th or something.

*goes back to sleep*

I don't recall. Perhaps my brain wasn't there and just my body?

 

[NinjaLink]

inui's performance
Winners' bracket
Bye
Defeated Johnnykevlar
Lost to Chudat

Losers' bracket
Lost to Pyronicstar


Overall placing: 33/80

Just helping out

 

[Inui]

I can be a d!ck too.

NinjaLink's performance
Winners' bracket
Bye
Defeated Steel2nd
Lost to PRiDE

Losers' bracket
Defeated Konata
Defeated .com
Lost to D1


Overall placing: 9/39


But seriously I was sleepwalking or something at ESTICLE. My brain wasn't there.

 

[NinjaLink]

wasnt being a d!ck but whatever. Someone was gonna post it anyway. Could care less what u say.

 

[Rykoshet]

I can be a d!ck too.

"Too" would imply that someone else was being a d!ck, which wasn't the case. Correcting you on a flat out lie is about as low on the d!ck scale as humanly possible, and even if it were higher, I think the lying in the first place kind of makes it a necessary evil.

Going back to the subject

People have been overrating Bleachigo a lot and saying crap like he's better than Keitaro.

...

has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Bleachigo asked if there was discussion about picking him up (which honestly probably shouldnt have been brought up in the topic until someone in the crew decided to) and 2 people stated that the crew would be better off if we did, that's where it ended. DM made no mention of keitaro and I doubt Yes is gonna **** on his own crew member like that so you can put the baseball mitt down, lucas, coming straight from ****ing left field was just uncalled for.

 

[teh_spamerer]

"Too" would imply that someone else was being a d!ck, which wasn't the case. Correcting you on a flat out lie is about as low on the d!ck scale as humanly possible, and even if it were higher, I think the lying in the first place kind of makes it a necessary evil.

We are SO hanging out at the next tournament we're at

 

[NinjaLink]

We are SO hanging out at the next tournament we're at

u never hang with me ..melty??...

 

[teh_spamerer]

u never hang with me ..melty??...

If you're up tomorrow after midnight again lets netplay

 

[_Yes!_]

lol yes by me saying bleachigo's got potential, that OBVIOUSLY means he's better than keitaro i'm just saying we should be encouraging people to get better, not leave them to their own devices on how to get better. It's boring to see the same people do well anyway Next tourney Ksizzle's got you just cuz he's too goodz

also you can't treat a bad tourney like a bad childhood memory and suppress it xD

Thanks NL for the results I would've been too lazy to look for them

Ryko's too good.

When's that pichu evolving SpaHm?

 

[Inui]

I'm not lying about being asleep that day, NinjaLink. Imo, I wasn't there. I can admit I was actually there when I played so badly I lost to DaPuffster and Kai, though, lol.

 

[PRiDE]

I can be a d!ck too.

NinjaLink's performance
Winners' bracket
Bye
Defeated Steel2nd
Lost to PRiDE

Losers' bracket
Defeated Konata
Defeated .com
Lost to D1


Overall placing: 9/39


But seriously I was sleepwalking or something at ESTICLE. My brain wasn't there.

grr. whats that supposed to mean! >_>

 

[Inui]

It's only because you play a horrendous character.

 

[Eazy23]

Inui he loss to dm which is FINE, and he loss to JG who plays rob. Bleachigo told me how hard Rob was for him, cant you relate to having bad matchups?

Thats like You playing spam r1, and then losing 2 cyanide r2, and obviously cuz he plays zss....it could happen. You say you beat him badly, but I honestly dont see that happening. I played bleachigo, and he was def not a joke player. He has tons of potential and plays with a pretty smart style. He also wont be getting 0-deathd by pierce anymore lololol

 

[Rykoshet]

Bleachigo told me how hard Rob was for him, cant you relate to having bad matchups?

Considering the first time I ever heard lucas ***** about a matchup in person it was because Bajisci went straight ahnuld on him, something tells me he can.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Thats like losing 2 cyanide r2, and obviously cuz he plays zss....it could happen.

LMAO! Please let the bracket gods put Thiocyanide and Inui in the same bracket at the next tournament they are at

*hopes there is a day "Beat Snakeee, lose to Cyanide" happens to someone*

 

[Inui]

Considering the first time I ever heard lucas ***** about a matchup in person it was because Bajisci went straight ahnuld on him, something tells me he can.

I always beat Bajisic. Most of the time I won 2-0.

I just hated fighting R.O.B.

Btw I have played random ZSS players in singles and won and beat Snakeee in teams before, so I don't think I'd lose to Cyanide. I'm not THAT bad against her.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Wow...I didn't think this would happen.

Also DM you still owe me a dollar, and that set was AMAZING. Phantasm > Tornado.....TWICE, but please side-B more often, tell doom to upload pl0x.

And Inui, "Hi!"My set with DM wasn't one-sided(2-1, **** Halberd, CG mind games FTW!). We were practically whoring for the kill. But He won, but I got a hug, so it was cool. JG I have no johns for either, I guess Imma have to get better against ROB's, and stop thinking MK is a way out.

Everyone else : You really think I have it in me? I am going to have to practice with you guys more often, I need more "Tourney level" experience, that way I stop getting nervous.

 

[PenUmbra]

Who you beat and lose to matters the most.

I want to add my own 2 cents too.

Because of the way seeding is, it's HARD to get recognized. Some of the worst players get put up against some of the best players instantly. This only really gives them a single elim chance (because unless you're(see keyword: Sakurai(see fine text: Your opp doesn't stop tripping into F-smashes)) amazing, when you're growing, and you are a pre-pubescent player, you aren't going to be winning in the winners bracket) That means people have to climb their way up the losers bracket to get good placing/Inui recognition(I tease Inui) and don't genuinely get the second chance that better players really do. The odds are heavily stacked against growing players. The worse thing about it is, there really isn't too much that can be done about this because as far as I know, it's as fair as it gets.

I think it's easier to gain recognition MMing.

 

[Inui]

Seeding is necessary.

If those growing players want recognition, they must pull off those upsets and beat those that are recognized.

 

[teh_spamerer]

I want to add my own 2 cents too.

Because of the way seeding is, it's HARD to get recognized. Some of the worst players get put up against some of the best players instantly. This only really gives them a single elim chance (because unless you're(see keyword: Sakurai(see fine text: Your opp doesn't stop tripping into F-smashes)) amazing, when you're growing, and you are a pre-pubescent player, you aren't going to be winning in the winners bracket) That means people have to climb their way up the losers bracket to get good placing/Inui recognition(I tease Inui) and don't genuinely get the second chance that better players really do. The odds are heavily stacked against growing players. The worse thing about it is, there really isn't too much that can be done about this because as far as I know, it's as fair as it gets.

I think it's easier to gain recognition MMing.

The worst players will ALWAYS do poorly. How are you supposed to get recognition if you AREN'T good? They won't. The bad people will play the good people R1 or R2 in winners and then get sent to losers. Now if someone improved by a lot and got seeded according to how they did in previous tourneys and lost R1, chances are the majority of people early in losers didn't improve by a lot so they'll get to CRUISE through losers.

If they are actually talented they will do well in their matches against the good people, possibly beat some of them, and **** all of the bad people. Then in the future, they will get seeded better.

 

[PenUmbra]

I understand that it's necessary, it just seems unfair to me. The worse players get 1 bracket, and the better players get two from my perspective. It helps too look at it as a privilege to better players, and I know it's probably as balanced as the system can get, but from my perspective, it seems unfair.

I get how it's supposed to work and the efficiency of it, it just makes me sad face.

EDIT: I am right when I'm thinking that the higher ranked players are generally seeded to face the lower ranked players early on, right?

 

[Eazy23]

Most bracket seeding is done soley from the bracket makers opinion of the players, which will obviously give certain players an easier shot at winning or placing higher than others, even when some dont deserve it.

The point of a tourny is 2 compete, not to try to create a scenario in which people place where they hypothetically "should".

Spam, there is a big difference between horrible players and up and coming/talented players. the horrible players will always place low, but take a player who has the potential to beat 60 percent of the people in attendance, but loses r1 to me. There was also an upset in winners where Inui lost to Cyanide, and said player has to play Inui. The player also plays zss, so he takes inui 2 match 3 with himself at 3 stocks, 0 damage. He then proceeds to sd 3 times in a row, losing, and being eliminated. His record says he sucks, and will be seeded very low again, when in all actuality he is much better than his tourny record says.

This isnt to say that this isnt the best way to do things, but it does make it extremely difficult for up and coming players. Especially because its brawl.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Spam, there is a big difference between horrible players and up and coming/talented players. the horrible players will always place low, but take a player who has the potential to beat 60 percent of the people in attendance, but loses r1 to me. There was also an upset in winners where Inui lost to Cyanide, and said player has to play Inui. The player also plays zss, so he takes inui 2 match 3 with himself at 3 stocks, 0 damage. He then proceeds to sd 3 times in a row, losing, and being eliminated. His record says he sucks, and will be seeded very low again, when in all actuality he is much better than his tourny record says.

This isnt to say that this isnt the best way to do things, but it does make it extremely difficult for up and coming players. Especially because its brawl.

1) He lost to "jab sidestep is an amazing strategy with Falco" so he deserves to go 0-2 in a tournament

2) The odds of that happening at one tournament are low. The odds of it happening repeatedly is next to zero.

3) Pools --> bracket is sexy and basically makes it impossible for any up and coming player to be seeded badly.

 

[Alex Strife]

Hey guys I am really trying to get NYC/NJ to come here it is super close and its only appox 4 bucks round trip FROM PT AUTHORITY and a 10 min bus ride from there.

Here are some links and if you can use those sigs above to support me. I have never failed you guys.


AIB link - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=3785

SB - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207627

 

[teh_spamerer]

"This character[,Snake] was built for you" - Vex Kasrani
"spammer without a doubt plays the gayest snake iv ever seen..... im copying it exactly from now on " - ChiboSempai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXh3Yh30Fc&feature=related

 

[Turbo Ether]

"This character[,Snake] was built for you" - Vex Kasrani
"spammer without a doubt plays the gayest snake iv ever seen..... im copying it exactly from now on " - ChiboSempai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXh3Yh30Fc&feature=related

This is why I think you guys might be right about Snake being the best character. That camping didn't even look that boring either.

 

[Rykoshet]

The worst players will ALWAYS do poorly. How are you supposed to get recognition if you AREN'T good? They won't. The bad people will play the good people R1 or R2 in winners and then get sent to losers. Now if someone improved by a lot and got seeded according to how they did in previous tourneys and lost R1, chances are the majority of people early in losers didn't improve by a lot so they'll get to CRUISE through losers.

If they are actually talented they will do well in their matches against the good people, possibly beat some of them, and **** all of the bad people. Then in the future, they will get seeded better.

I'm by no means remotely amazing and granted I play a character with ******** matchups but I've been outplaced by some mercer kid that I 3 stocked round 1 at least twice at this point because I got 2 d3's in a row >_> or inui first round and then by chance got edd's falco instead of any of the other people who got eliminated first round (edd was the only person in loser's at the point who was playing a character I couldn't outright decimate). And even if I did win, I'd have gotten shadow or keitaro immediately. I'm never placed against a highly seeded player who isnt a d3, falco, or meta knight (which is pretty **** rare in jersey granted, but I digress). As such, I stay seeded low and get to hear **** like "no johns, one ike places well so you should be able to get past them" and wait for a day I don't get straight bracket ***** to place slightly higher and get away from the "****** on round 1" seed.

 

[BleachigoZX]

I've been doing some research on Falco, ph3ar m3!
Smashboards is informative.

 

[teh_spamerer]

I'm by no means remotely amazing and granted I play a character with ******** matchups but I've been outplaced by some mercer kid that I 3 stocked round 1 at least twice at this point because I got 2 d3's in a row >_>

If you want to win you have to be able to beat all the characters that are frequently used and Dedede is used quite frequently.

or inui first round and then by chance got edd's falco instead of any of the other people who got eliminated first round (edd was the only person in loser's at the point who was playing a character I couldn't outright decimate).

Actually bschung was in losers too. He lost to Yes R1.

And even if I did win, I'd have gotten shadow or keitaro immediately.

R2 of losers had
Rend(idk who he plays)
D1 - Falco
Pride - Yoshi
Munk - Dedede
Magus - Luigi
Malcolm - Sonic
Mr. Ryu - Snake
Rookie - Fox
HolyChef - Ice Climbers
Pierce7D - Marth
Doom(idk who he mains)
Juice(idk who he plays)
RJ - Lucario
Eazy - Can play Falco
NinjaEdd - Falco
Shadow - Meta Knight

Seeding also takes account your crewmates so discounting them and their opponents you have

Magus, Malcolm, NinjaEdd, Shadow, D1, Rend, Doom, and Juice. Out of 8 you have 2 Falcos, 1 Meta Knight, and possibly more matchups you don't like depending on who Rend, Doom, and Juice play. That's a pretty decent sized chance to end up with a matchup you don't like.

I'm never placed against a highly seeded player who isnt a d3, falco, or meta knight (which is pretty **** rare in jersey granted, but I digress).

As you said, it's rare in NJ. Top 15 on the last NJ list was
M2K - Meta Knight
me - Meta Knight
Atomsk - Dedede
Inui - Meta Knight
BlackWaltz - Olimar
Keitaro - Falco
Jigglymaster - goes almost nowhere so you aren't going to play him much
Pierce7d - is your crewmate so you aren't going to play him
Blue - isn't seeded high anymore
YeHs - Snake
Pride - isn't seeded high anymore
Eazy - keeps changing his main but can use Falco
ksizzle - Meta Knight
Orion - Meta Knight/Falco
Kai - Doesn't go to very many places

As such, I stay seeded low and get to hear **** like "no johns, one ike places well so you should be able to get past them" and wait for a day I don't get straight bracket ***** to place slightly higher and get away from the "****** on round 1" seed.

When you main a bad character you have to be able to beat people in the bad character's matchups if you want to place well. If 100% of the time you can't then you have three choices
1) Main a new character
2) Learn another character that you only use for the problem matchups
3) Quit the game

The only real complaint I have about seeding is that smashers can be dirty with it. I can say with certainty that at none of Inui's tournaments will Snakeee ever be in Inui's bracket in winners. The only request I had with the brackets at SWR was to not have BlackWaltz on my side since I fought him in 4 tournaments sets between the last two tournaments I was at prior to that tournament. Guess who was on my side two sets before finals?

Every tournament should just hand make pools for elimination and seeding, let tio make the bracket, and then just leave it like that. Pools works out advantageously for everyone. The bad people who would have gone 0-2 get to play more than two sets. The good players will get top seeds and then be seeded well in the bracket. If you do pools w/elimination you aren't spending *that* much extra time.

 

[MalcolmM]

rookie plays sonic! i knew it!

 

[Mew2King]

falcos stupid

 

[teh_spamerer]

rookie plays sonic! i knew it!

LMAO! How did I type Sonic instead of Fox? Oh well

 

[Bnzaaa]

Are you guys free this weekend?

 

[Inui]

Kashif, I made the bracket at NEC9 and put Snakeee in my side of winners.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Kashif, I made the bracket at NEC9 and put Snakeee in my side of winners.

Okay? NEC9 was the second time you lost to him and your johns for losing to Snakeee the first time you fought him were that it's his best matchup and that you just started playing Meta Knight. It was only AFTER NEC9 that you started complaining that ZSS was the cheapest character in the game and that her side b was the best move in the game