The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[wonf]

wonf(sonic) vs flameleon(mario) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVB8j7Lz844 best sexy mario xD

 

[True Blue]

Got some videos recorded and uploaded finally.

True Blue (Sonic) vs Eikelmann (Metaknight)
Match 1 was not recorded. I lost though on PS1
Match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWv62msx_mk
Match 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma9MJFoCBeI
Match 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIpiTaxIiKM

And some random Team Matches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvLF0kMZzNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETM0QqJLcIk (Learned the tree on PS1 kills Sonic... lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZK-lJb7o68

 

[War Anvil]

Got some videos recorded and uploaded finally.

True Blue (Sonic) vs Eikelmann (Metaknight)
Match 1 was not recorded. I lost though on PS1
Match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWv62msx_mk
Match 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma9MJFoCBeI
Match 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIpiTaxIiKM

And some random Team Matches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvLF0kMZzNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETM0QqJLcIk (Learned the tree on PS1 kills Sonic... lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZK-lJb7o68

It's always good to see any Sonic bring the pain to an MK, just so you know. Keep up the ownage!

 

[Satanpute]

Last Matchs of this summer Enjoy It !

Vs Blubolouis (Ike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogy2GmpB11U <<< 2 matchs

Vs Deimos ( Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjDjIupWtY <<< 2 matchs

Vs Deimos ( Wario )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbF2P3s3d84 <<< 3matchs

Vs Asmodeus ( ZSS) and C7A ( Jiggly)
http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=R5fkwe0fZsQ

Enjoy it !

 

[War Anvil]

Cool vids, bro!

Last Matchs of this summer Enjoy It !

Vs Blubolouis (Ike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogy2GmpB11U <<< 2 matchs

Vs Deimos ( Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjDjIupWtY <<< 2 matchs

LET'S GO TENJIKU!

VS IKE
​

Round one was, shall I say, close. Your baiting and punishing needs a little work (just like mine!), but nice use of f-air to stage spike your opponent.
Round two has 1,000,000% more Delfino Plaza this time, allowing for a much more diverse experience. Edgehogging was put to good use, and even the B&P was a bit better! Too bad you lost.

VS FALCO
​

LOL at ESPY as your tag, and nice use of throws in round one. Just one thing: STOPGETTIN'CHAINGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAあああああああああああああ! IT'S WHY YOU LOST HERE.
Round two is in the same Smashville, except you play a bit more defensively. Sadly, both rounds had you lose, despite you averting a chaingrab at one point. You did your best, though!

That's all I have for now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/あ

 

[B.A.M.]

@Satanpute: I love your style, but you have to realize some of that should only work once your opponent is fearful. For example, vs Falco you continued to do a mixture of DDPs and pivots, while Falco was shooting you in the face, when you did go in you sat in shield until he grabbed you. It seemed as if you have no plan at all. Your follow ups are solid for the most part, you just have to be more careful with your approaches. You cant just do that vs every character and think its okay.

In your matches vs Wario, you got a way with a ton of things that couldve been beaten by bite. it was evident the wario didnt know the match up, otherwise you probably would have been destroyed.

Didnt watch all your videos but from what i gathered there numerous occasions when you ran in and shielded ....and did nothing. Shield with a purpose. Because of the options OoS, dash shield is strong....but if u dont use them then its just stupid. If you dont necessarily have a game plan when u dash in and shield you gotta read the situation more quickly, or at least have an escape method. All that being said, I love your style, keep it up! Remember to utilize some more spin dashes though in defensive situations, theyll help you when you're in a bind.

Also LOL Spindash Ftw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTsARWCIbE

BAM (Sonic) vs Tyrant (Marth)

 

[infomon]

Also LOL Spindash Ftw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTsARWCIbE

BAM (Sonic) vs Tyrant (Marth)

omfg you killed Tyrant with a SCROD that did 33%

gooooood stuuuuuuufffff lol

 

[Tesh]

Dang, that was one nasty hit. I guess the hitlag allows the platform to catch you again turning the move into multiple ASCs?

 

[Kinzer]

Dang, that was one nasty hit. I guess the hitlag allows the platform to catch you again turning the move into multiple ASCs?

Get with the times, this is '08 @#$% right here.

 

[infomon]

Dang, that was one nasty hit. I guess the hitlag allows the platform to catch you again turning the move into multiple ASCs?

yep!

10yeps

 

[War Anvil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTsARWCIbE

BAM (Sonic) vs Tyrant (Marth)

:andthisiswhyrealmenspamsideanddownb:

Also, DAT BAITIN' AND PUNISHIN'.

 

[Tesh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_HV8C5I_uE&t=2m50s - Tesh (Sonic) vs Ultimate Razer (Snake)

:/

Xyro never uploaded the video from HOBO 32, but believe or not this was an improvement from last time. I noticed watching this that I don't even camp the top players as hard.
I'm definitely going MK next time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMvtmc_Akpo - Tesh (Sonic) vs Bio (ZSS) BNW1

I went MK game 1 and somehow managed to strike to FD. Stupid 2-3-1 striking. I got rid of YI and Lylat and then wound up with only SV and FD left. It was close, but I lost it. Game 2 I decided to go Sonic to mix it up, surprisingly it worked and I went MK game 3 for the win. First time ever beating this guy in tournament.

Thats probably all there will be for now. I think the rest of what got recorded was my MK.

 

[B.A.M.]

Also LOL Spindash Ftw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTsARWCIbE

BAM (Sonic) vs Tyrant (Marth)

Besides this vid Ive got a couple more up with Tyrants Marth, MK, and Gdubs on that channel. I would love some critiques on my matches fellow Sonics. Lol except for the one where i just get beasted by Eric's Marth. I know EXACTLY why i failed. Ish was just too funny so i had to put it up.

Oh and if Tails will be so kind as to upload the vids i just sent him ill have some matches vs Rich's Oli. Id love some critiques on that too ( Espy tell me what im missing). On a sidenote, side b little hop goes over Oli's pivot grab lol. It its at the same angle ASC can, except its wayyy faster, and you can start it a bit farther, giving us another good option to get in. I shouldve abused it more in our matches, but it definitely works.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I put up really in depth citiques on a few of those vids a week ago, but YT was cockblocking me mad hard and wouldnt post it, i dont know why

 

[da K.I.D.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWi74JE6gD0&feature=feedu

 

[BSP]

Good stuff B.A.M.

 

[Da1AndOnlySonic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWi74JE6gD0&feature=feedu

X if you want to kill with bair, unstale it first. Those cubs aren't going to do anything. =|

 

[Tesh]

That guy was in my pool at WHOBO, he actually beat me worse than DMG, Nike and MVD.

Is that the same tournament X wound up placing 2nd at? I guess he had to do work in losers bracket?

 

[Death Arcana]

Nah that was the tourney he did really bad at
iirc
He went 0-2 after pools
He told me it just wasn't his day

 

[War Anvil]

X if you want to kill with bair, unstale it first. Those cubs aren't going to do anything. =|

Yeah, dude! Spamming bair won't do much.

 

[XLR8TION]

it really wont....ive experienced this lol.

 

[Exceladon City]

New videos.

CRITIQUE THEM plz <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xnaG8ZeMeg Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Sheik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4dTyDCTv4 Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Sheik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q-sL2t0AFc Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Sheik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbgdn64YN_s Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Sheik)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ocLWbNBPHg Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Wolf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G1qCpBUvJw Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Wolf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IJ4jEJ1mtc Excel (Sonic) vs Ripple (Wolf)

D1aos/Tesh/Kinzer/KIDGoggles/Wedge/Trent/B.A.M (SyonRyoken)
namesearch goooooooo

 

[Tesh]

i saw that oreo, screw you

 

[Kinzer]

I didn't look at the Wolf videos.

I don't namesearch either.

*Ahem.*

Excel, why does it seem like your opponent was just playing with you if I did not know better? :/

Let me say this first and foremost, it seems like you don't know how to attack. There so many cases where you would try and approach and you would get shieldgrabbed. Be it a jump-in, a Fair/Bair, I think even dash attack every so often. I suppose that was all from the disrespect he showed you and got away with, which is somewhat upsetting TBH. What you could do is jump over his shield and Back air from behind. You could also Use some Spin Ball approaches, be it direct SDR, ASC, and then after that it's your choice to go into SDJ, turn around, or jump-cancel it. Basically the idea is to give him something to think about.

Speaking of which, why would you do so much unnecessary things? You were Jabbing, DTilting, FTilting and UTilting the opposite way some times, other times you would do those things and others like DSmash when he's not even remotely near you. Why? I want you to ask yourself that actually, every action should have a goal in mind. "Was the DSmash suppose to punish a landing?" "Was the jab suppose to get him off quick and easy?" "Was the grab suppose to get damage, or put him in a bad spot?" You have to think your movements through.

I couldn't find anything else that wasn't basically those two major things.

 

[Exceladon City]

Speaking of which, why would you do so much unnecessary things? You were Jabbing, DTilting, FTilting and UTilting the opposite way some times,

Well I'm playing on an HD and I don't know whether it's my controller or the tv that's messing up inputs. Sometimes I would go for a stutterstep Fsmash or just a charged Fsmash in general and I would just turn around and jab. I think it's high time for a new controller to be safe.

As for the other stuff, I honestly think alot of it is out of frustration. I don't know **** about Sheik and he does stuff that I feel like I could punish but I get beat up for it or he'll do something like SH AD behind me and I'm about to walk away and I'll get grabbed.

 

[B.A.M.]

I still need critiques pleaseeee.

 

[Exceladon City]

Speaking of which, why would you do so much unnecessary things? You were Jabbing, DTilting, FTilting and UTilting the opposite way some times, other times you would do those things and others like DSmash when he's not even remotely near you. Why? I want you to ask yourself that actually, every action should have a goal in mind. "Was the DSmash suppose to punish a landing?" "Was the jab suppose to get him off quick and easy?" "Was the grab suppose to get damage, or put him in a bad spot?" You have to think your movements through.

I couldn't find anything else that wasn't basically those two major things.

Re-quoting because I'm sure my last post would probably be overlooked if I edited it.

I looked at the first Sheik replay and I remembered that alot of the time when I would do a turnaround, it wouldn't happen and I'd end up doing attacks in the opposite direction. This happened several times throughout my matches. Along with my Fairs being misspaced constantly despite me knowing how to AC Fair consistently. The first Dsmash was me trying to bait an attack. Since Sheik falls kinda fast, I was going to charge one and bait out a Nair or something and by the time that the move reached me from that height, I could already be in my shield and ready to punish. The second one was me anticipating a roll from the ledge. I need to stop trying to predict stuff like that. I get beat up for it regularly.

 

[B.A.M.]

KINZER CRITIQUE MEEE OR KID OR WEDGE OR SOMEONE lol



EDIT: Yay some of my matches vs Rich Brown are uppp. Rich too good yo


B.A.M ( Sonic) vs Rich Brown ( Olimar) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isbi-jtMXNI

B.A.M ( Sonic) vs Rich Brown ( Olimar) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo4IhSrLBX0

B.A.M ( Sonic) vs Rich Brown ( Olimar) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkNEJ1ilRKM

B.A.M ( Sonic) vs Rich Brown ( Olimar) 4 ( this match is too lulzy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lGzyBXU09g
I believe I use it more in some of the other matches, but i do believe side b's little hop is an awesome alternative to ASC as far as getting in on Olimar. at the proper distance smashes dont phase you ( love that invincibility) u go over grabs. The only really strong option against is Oli's Nair imo. But since you are using spin dash, you can utilize SDSC to bait out the nair (if the oli knows how good of an option it is) and get a free grab. grabs in this match up are vital for both parties. On a side-note, I realize recently that Ive gotten too aggro on gimping Oli ( i made soooo much errors during the course of our matches due to this) I know i should use nair more offstage. What options do you all suggest when attempting to gimp Oli? what do you try for when hes recovering high, mid, or low? That would help a ton.


Matches vs Tyrant ( Please critique me; i got my own ideas but theres some stuff Im sure im forgetting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwC_jbY7eOM - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Mr. Game & Watch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCLpFNlo6no - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Marth)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uckicwA08 - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Marth)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTsARWCIbE - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Marth)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbkInl9nIg - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Meta Knight)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUFc0eXLl0 - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Marth)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB1euUqH5Hg - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Marth)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97_z-DaW08M - B.A.M. (Sonic) vs. Tyrant (Marth)

 

[Exceladon City]

Get Oli offstage and scary face him. If you make him jump and you choose your option right, you get a stock. Or you could get him offstage, hog the ledge and then punish his return to the stage.

 

[B.A.M.]

There's sooo many times i shouldve just edgehogged lol. I was just being too greedy.

 

[Espy Rose]

Needs more utilt and less bair usage.
Otherwise it was pretty sick.

 

[B.A.M.]

@Espy what situations do you believe i should use utilt? uair>utilt frame trap or other situations?

I need to re watch some of your vs Oli vids Espy. I love your gimping.

 

[infomon]

they're above you on a platform => uptilt
they're peach and they're hovering at face-height => uptilt

*shrug*

 

[Tesh]

I can't imagine using Uptilt like that against Peach. Uptilt is as laggy as a smash and its asking to get faired if you aren't using it strictly as a punish or vertical poke against character too floaty to fast fall a punish.

 

[Kinzer]

KINZER CRITIQUE MEEE OR KID OR WEDGE OR SOMEONE lol

Looks like you got covered.

Easier for me, back to homework I suppose.

 

[B.A.M.]

^^^ Nothing is covered. Someone tell me how to go about the Falco MU. I want to know your opinions.

 

[Mr. Johan]

I have some Falco matches that Wedge is supposedly taking care of recording, but the Falco I play has a very specific style, one that deviates from the norm. Because of that, I can't really speak out as someone who would actually know how a traditional Falco plays. Maybe my matches would help, maybe they won't.

 

[WedginatorX]

Yeah i'll work on uploading them tomorrow. Sorry, I got pneumonia so i haven't been able to do much in terms of anything.

 

[War Anvil]

I can't imagine using Uptilt like that against Peach. Uptilt is as laggy as a smash and its asking to get faired if you aren't using it strictly as a punish or vertical poke against character too floaty to fast fall a punish.

I agree. Just nair/fair her out of her float.

 

[Kinzer]

^^^ Nothing is covered. Someone tell me how to go about the Falco MU. I want to know your opinions.

Alright, I'll send you a PM tonight or nearly next morning.

Yeah i'll work on uploading them tomorrow. Sorry, I got pneumonia so i haven't been able to do much in terms of anything.

Get well soon.