The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[Da1AndOnlySonic]

Played a ton of Friendlies with Kadaj yesterday and saved a lot of replays, I'll try to get the videos up before KTAR 6.

Edit: Won't be up til after KTAR 6.

 

[infomon]

yo is this ktar getting streamed??

hypeeee

 

[WedginatorX]

Yes it's getting streamed.
and i'm bringing a recording setup, so all sonics feel free to play on it besides goggles.

 

[Kinzer]

Stuff.

A protector, has fallen! The world's heart, lies EXPOSED!

:O

 

[True Blue]

Sonic (True Blue) vs. Lucario (NekoC)

Thought I would upload a somewhat recent match of a tourney I went to a few weeks back. So give feed back? Or not. Either way I will read them. Sorry for my horrible gameplay though, especially in that video. Being dehydrated is not fun lol. Anyways I guess just critique or watch lol.
Wish I had a recorder to record my more recent matches at a tournament last week.

Oh and I have another recording of me though its not a set match it was just a part of a crew battle. Is it fine to post that up to? Or are only set matches the more wanted to see videos.

 

[Kinzer]

To put it simple, there wasn't much to get from those videos. You were outplaying your opponent by a considerable margin. I find it much more difficult to critique videos when it's the Sonic whose winning.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have won or whatever, but basically for what it's worth you were doing things right. You were punishing his habits, avoiding a lot of his attacks (which were thrown out on a whim most of the time I'd wager), and he simply couldn't capitalize on whatever bad choices you made.

If you could find a match where it's a lot closer, that'd be wonderful. Until then, work on killing some of your bad habits and pay attention. Obviously get a better opponent too or play him again when/if he improves.

 

[True Blue]

Alright. Sorry, had posted that up cause I posted a video a while back and had been critiqued a bunch on those videos and just wanted to put a newer video up to see if I still needed to work on the same things or not. Though planning to record some matches of another tourney I went to, which I have losses on those. Shall post them up when I get them recorded.

Hopefully today.

 

[Death Arcana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvCs6TgwAVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdfnxooXHJw

sorry this was all i could get

 

[Kinzer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEYb-TPYtj0&t=17m45s

Can someone explain to me as to how Speed/Sonic could do a completely vertical ASC from the platform please?

I remember Tenki talked about this a while back, I feel bad that I waited until now to ask/catch wind of it.

 

[Da1AndOnlySonic]

It depends on the speed you're going at when you land. If you're going straight down or in the opposite direction you initially were going in when you land, then the next time you go off of a platform or the stage you will go straight down.

 

[infomon]

Kinzer: When an ASC lands on a platform, it "remembers" the horizontal velocity that it had just before it landed. If it then rolls off a platform into another ASC, then its speed will be the speed it had just before it landed. Resulting in very counter-intuitive motion :o

That is:
- SDR's speed is determined entirely by the amount of "charge"
- ASC's speed is determined entirely by the amount you lean it while you're in the air

They don't have anything to do with each other, and both values last for the whole duration of the spindash.

 

[Kinzer]

It depends on the speed you're going at when you land. If you're going straight down or in the opposite direction you initially were going in when you land, then the next time you go off of a platform or the stage you will go straight down.

Kinzer: When an ASC lands on a platform, it "remembers" the horizontal velocity that it had just before it landed. If it then rolls off a platform into another ASC, then its speed will be the speed it had just before it landed. Resulting in very counter-intuitive motion :o

That is:
- SDR's speed is determined entirely by the amount of "charge"
- ASC's speed is determined entirely by the amount you lean it while you're in the air

They don't have anything to do with each other, and both values last for the whole duration of the spindash.

I see. Thanks you two, that'll give me something to look at.

 

[Browny]

X vs Earth 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyqUoMi9pQ

idk why it shrunk in resolution.... Ill get up 3 eventually

 

[Exceladon City]

X vs Earth 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyqUoMi9pQ

idk why it shrunk in resolution.... Ill get up 3 eventually

So like, X plays that match-up horribly. He should really play more "In your face" against Pit. The only time spindash works is if they are trying to arrow camp and not using the ledge whilst doing so.

 

[Tesh]

lol wtf, i just noticed another sonic on the tv next to him facing a rob. and there were actually people watching all of this?

 

[Espy Rose]

These weren't added earlier, so here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQV_g7bFLok - Espy (Sonic) vs. Big Boss (Snake) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJc3l4owwM - Espy (Sonic) vs. Big Boss (Snake) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zGBqsG_ad0 - Espy (Sonic) vs. Big Boss (Snake) 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIm7jwEJTtM - Espy (Sonic) vs. K Prime (Pikachu) 1 VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uipX0d3MwQE - Espy (Sonic) vs. K Prime (Pikachu) 2 VI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7mSN8_rphk - Espy (Sonic) vs. Nike (Marth) 1 VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKY7ARY291M - Espy (Sonic) vs. Nike (Marth) 2 VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1okGeM8j7c - Espy (Sonic) vs. Nike (Marth) 3 VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJY5IJDk5vg - Espy (Sonic) vs. Nike (Marth) 4 VI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05a3xJCBw3c - Espy (Sonic) vs. K Prime (Pikachu) 1 VII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDZNq1BPi8 - Espy (Sonic) vs. K Prime (Pikachu) 2 VII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQxRrk03Qw - Espy (Sonic) vs. K Prime (Pikachu) 3 VII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R_-D5B_2n0 - Espy (Sonic) vs. K Prime (Pikachu) 4 VII

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxSOe7rosIE - Espy (Sonic) vs. Trela (Lucario) 1 VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoAqXRso14A - Espy (Sonic) vs. Trela (Lucario) 2 VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5o2kcZWnbM - Espy (Sonic) vs. Trela (Lucario) 3 VI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgygJneVgv4 - Espy (Sonic) vs. Megafox (Fox) 1 IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIAdzbEmn50 - Espy (Sonic) vs. Megafox (Fox) 2 IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPqbO5X-2K4 - Espy (Sonic) vs. Megafox (Fox) 3 IV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFNfENv6Hvg - Espy (Sonic) vs. Jerm (Toon Link) 1 IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwle5rBEWEA - Espy (Sonic) vs. Jerm (Toon Link) 2 IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEvitVVaNxk - Espy (Sonic) vs. Jerm (Toon Link) 3 IV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2P8G57sO5w - Espy (Sonic) vs. Illmatic (Peach) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8PgqObkP6E - Espy (Sonic) vs. Illmatic (Peach) 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reFh0GDbhPA - Espy (Sonic) vs. Dojo (Meta Knight) 1 II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aivXhOetqM - Espy (Sonic) vs. Dojo (Meta Knight) 2 II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ8SeXlu0tM - Espy (Sonic) vs. Dojo (Meta Knight) 3 II

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCsa923BxTo - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Dojo (Meta Knight) + Razer (Snake) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjbTIRSZ0I - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Dojo (Meta Knight) + Razer (Snake) 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5hFXJZ_io - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Megafox (Fox) + Nike (Marth) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqCcKV9mj0 - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Megafox (Fox) + Nike (Marth) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZVa5fKvpWE - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Megafox (Fox) + Nike (Marth) 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNw4eLrjQ9E - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Gnes (Diddy Kong) + Fogo (Snake) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg3XnUgL3pU - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Gnes (Diddy Kong) + Fogo (Snake) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T5ZECqhgLw - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Gnes (Diddy Kong) + Fogo (Snake) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OT2bXhS4SA - Espy (Sonic) + K Prime (Pikachu) vs. Gnes (Diddy Kong) + Fogo (Snake) 4

 

[True Blue]

Wow lots of matches! Good matches for what i started to watchlol. Though sucks about the final stock against Jerm in the first match. Shall be watching the rest another day lol

 

[Tesh]

SUCKS ABOUT THE FINAL STOCK!!?? HE APPROACHED. I think you mean sucks about the final stock in game 3. Though the final stock in game 2 was also lulzy. Who knows, Espy might have gotten 2-0d.

Sakurai.

I'll have to watch Espy v Dojo though. I actually couldn't see at the tournament cuz I'm not tall enough :/

 

[Kinzer]

Now where are the KTAR replays.

Someone get on that, I'm too lazy, and I know you n****s got recorded.

...

... On second thought, hold it. I wanna see if I can get a lot of matches recorded tomorrow myself, and BAM sent me a replay pack not too long ago.

Trent's got a huge video dump to tend to when he gets back from whatever.

 

[Tesh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Y2k3FVQXk - Tesh (Sonic) vs Illmatic (Peach) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9b4i9OAV0Y - Tesh (Sonic) vs Illmatic (Peach) 2

Felt like our closest set ever. Even in older sets when I had taken a game, it was only game 1 and it always felt like he just "warmed up" and beat me down as the set wore on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ctarYRu3Mw -Tesh (Sonic) vs Nike (Marth) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2GvZmD2Ae0 - Tesh (Sonic) vs Nike (Marth) 2

Horrible, I know I can do better than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02-eD9UmuHk& - Tesh(Sonic) vs KrdSonic(Wolf) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cifSp16XAnM - Tesh(Sonic) vs KrdSonic(Wolf) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYWrjoHm4sg - Tesh (Sonic) vs KrdSonic(Dedede) 3

Got a little lucky game 2 with him SDing (though its the reason I CPed there lol) and then game 3 he went Dedede(which went closer than I expected). This felt more like a loss than a win regardless.

 

[Browny]

what a surprise, people didnt like the X matches.

if you dont want to sit through an 8 minute match where only 4 stocks are lost, let me know I cbf uploading it if no one cares like I thought.

 

[Kupo Rose]

not to mention you guys dont know about australias 3+ hour upload time for single matches.

an 8 minute vid will be like 5 hours sigh. I'll do it though...

Why does it take that long? My videos only take like 40-50 odd mins to upload long matches. (This is comin from a person with around 0.37 mbps upload speed lol)

 

[Browny]

well i recently got much better net so its only like an hour now, yay

still gotta encode vids and whatnot... cbf if no one cares lol.

 

[Tesh]

we care
upload if you can

 

[infomon]

I was glad to watch the one that you uploaded, and would love to see the next

BUT

honestly, if it's annoying to do the encoding and w/e then don't bother, like do what's good for you man. it's a videogame.

 

[z00ted]

Hi.

Sonic fanboys are some of the most ********, stupid, annoying people on the entire planet.

 

[Browny]

Peach mains

that is all

case close

 

[NearZzz]

furries

ggs browny

 

[z00ted]

just joking!

i've never met a lame sonic main

but i do hate the franchise......

 

[Da1AndOnlySonic]

They call me Sonic...'cause I am faster than sound, I keep on jumping around.
Blue Hedgehog Sonic...with incredible speed, I'm moving my feet.
dodo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododododo-do-do
dodo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododododo-do-do
dodo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododododo-do-do
dodo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododo-do-do-dododododo-do-do
etc.

 

[Death Arcana]

hey i met browny
coolest furry ever
unlike someone like Z'zgashi
u ******
<3

 

[Espy Rose]

Browny's a pretty chill furry.

 

[Browny]

__X__ Vs. Earth 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIK6ro2IggQ

 

[Da1AndOnlySonic]

Can't kill with cubs, that bair is too stale.

 

[infomon]

__X__ Vs. Earth 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIK6ro2IggQ

THANKS BWOWNEE!!!!

sigh, X...... well it's not like the sonic vs. pit matchup is metagame-breaking or anything, but.... sigh.

well, then again, what DO we do against a campy Pit? IMO more running-towards-him-and-PS'ing-arrows rather than spindashing... but *shrug*

 

[Tesh]

__X__ got hit by alot of arrows and whatnot. Those things sure can shield poke though. I don't find pit to be a difficult character generally though. He feels like a far worse version of Marth.

 

[MarKO X]

once you have the lead against Pit, you don't need to approach. Just chill on the other side and block arrows, amirite?

Like, can Pit actually generate offense?

 

[Tesh]

In theory, if you shoopy woopy arrow loopy!

But, otherwise, they are decent enough. You can't actually powershield things forever. And if you aren't power shielding things, they can be angled up and down to try to poke.

 

[Exceladon City]

well, then again, what DO we do against a campy Pit? IMO more running-towards-him-and-PS'ing-arrows rather than spindashing... but *shrug*

Walk and shield. He isn't exactly Meta Knight. When you're within range to punish an arrow, he gets smacked. I haven't had an issue with Pit like ever. Hell, I've even given Admiral Pit a run for his money. I don't care how melodramatic that kid is, his Pit is sick.

once you have the lead against Pit, you don't need to approach. Just chill on the other side and block arrows, amirite?

Like, can Pit actually generate offense?

Truthfully, I prefer to aggro Pit when I have the lead. He doesn't have any "GTFO" moves. He has moderately good spacing moves like Fair, Dair and Ftilt but those won't do him any good with a Sonic breathing down his neck. Dair is like his safest option because it covers a decent amount of space and disrupts a grounded assault.

In theory, if you shoopy woopy arrow loopy!

But, otherwise, they are decent enough. You can't actually powershield things forever. And if you aren't power shielding things, they can be angled up and down to try to poke.

Pshaw. You can powershield them forever. Just walk forward and shield if they are angling them down. His arrows aren't very fast.

 

[Da1AndOnlySonic]

The first of many saved replays I have of me vs Kadaj. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixh70HnYALU

I'll probably upload a lot more throughout the week.