The Wacky Snap

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Derived from the original name I came up with, the 'WACI Snap', which stood for 'Walljump Animation Cancel Instant Snap', this AT is largely unknown as far as I'm aware.
We plan to make more videos like this into the future if there is enough interest. There are many things I'd like to make a video for, and it'd be great if we could go into Ultimate with some momentum, but we'll see. Big thanks to the Team for making this happen.

Anyway data.
Obviously the video couldn't list it all as it would be far too tedious, but a thread is perfect for this kind of thing.
So watch the video and then look below for the gritty details.

Key:
FAF = First Actionable Frame (the first frame you can act out of an animation, cancelling the remainder of the animation)
FANF = First Animation Neutral Frame (the frame following the last frame of the whole animation assuming you did not cancel it)
N/A = Not applicable (e.g. the move itself made data collection impossible enough to make the data irrelevant, which includes specials that auto grab the ledge regardless)
Things like 'itf' and 'ub' just stand for 'item throw forward' and 'up-b' respectively. You'll figure it out.

FAF on the left, FANF on the right. The Wacky Snap will let you grab the ledge at or after the FAF instead of having to wait for the FANF.

:4mario:
Airdodge 33, 51
Nair 46, 55
Fair 60, 76
Bair 34, 47
Uair 32, 35
Dair 38, 46
N-special 53, 63
S-special N/A
D-special 75, 76

:4diddy:
Airdodge 32, 45
Nair 49, 59
Fair 47, 56
Bair 31, 55
Uair 39, 49
Dair 49, 54
N-special 49, 60
S-special N/A
D-special 40, 46
Forward-throw 21, 27
Back-throw 21, 27
Down-throw 19, 30
Up-throw 21, 27

:4littlemac:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 16, 46
Fair 37, 43
Bair 38, 61
Uair 42, 73
Dair 28, 51
All specials N/A

:4sheik:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 50, 63
Fair 35, 88
Bair 38, 41
Uair 44, 55
Dair N/A
N-special 48, 49
S-special N/A
D-special N/A
Forward-throw 25, 26
Back-throw 25, 32
Down-throw 20, 27
Up-throw 24, 31

:4tlink:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 42, 53
Fair 39, 53
Bair 46, 70
Uair 60, 73
Dair N/A
N-special 42, 43
S-special 46, 54
D-special 40, 41
Forward-throw 21, 27
Back-throw 21, 27
Down-throw 19, 25
Up-throw 21, 34

:4samus:
Airdodge 33, 69
Nair 46, 55
Fair 60, 65
Bair 39, 57
Uair 40, 55
Dair 49, 61
N-special 46, 47 (charged and uncharged)
S-special 66, 73 (homing); 60, 62 (super)
D-special 49, 56

:4zss:
Airdodge 31, 41
Nair 52, 53
Fair 47, 76
Bair 40, 52
Uair 38, 75
Dair N/A
N-special 49, 51
S-special 56, 59
D-special N/A

:4duckhunt:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 56, 67
Fair 46, 53
Bair 42, 51
Uair 40, 56
Dair 60, 61
N-special N/A
S-special N/A
D-special 45, 75

:4fox:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 42, 51
Fair 50, 51
Bair 49, 56
Uair 36, 41
Dair 50, 51
N-special 38, 43
S-special N/A
D-special 41, 42

:4falco:
Airdodge 32, 51
Nair 49, 59
Fair 50, 64
Bair 38, 43
Uair 34, 39
Dair 52, 65
N-special 50, 51
S-special N/A
D-special 51, 65

:4pikachu:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 39, 41
Fair 42, 54
Bair 59, 60
Uair 27, 29
Dair 48, 59
N-special 58, 76
S-special N/A
D-special 36, 46 (contact) (doesn't work though because Pika is rising)

:4lucario:
Airdodge 32, 41
Nair 43, 56
Fair 26, 64
Bair 49, 65
Uair 38, 52
Dair 31, 33
N-special 62, 72
S-special 64, 65
D-special 80, 111

:4greninja:
Airdodge 32, 45
Nair 65, 66
Fair 55, 65
Bair 46, 47
Uair 42, 49
Dair N/A
N-special 39, 51
S-special 67, 82
D-special 65, 81

:4falcon:
Airdodge 34, 51
Nair 45, 56
Fair 46, 47
Bair 36, 41
Uair 34, 35
Dair 45, 56
N-special 110, 116
S-special N/A
D-special N/A

:4villager:
Airdodge 34, 51
Nair 36, 46
Fair 40, 64
Bair 36, 65
Uair 43, 51
Dair 46, 51
N-special 51, 64
S-special 38, 39
D-special 48, 56 (axe)
Forward-throw 25, 33
Back-throw 25, 33
Down-throw 20, 28
Up-throw 24, 32

:4wiifit:
Airdodge 32, 41
Nair 35, 46
Fair 46, 56
Bair 49, 55
Uair 40, 41
Dair 45, 59
N-special 59, 61
S-special N/A
D-special N/A

:4drmario:
Airdodge 33, 51
Nair 46, 55
Fair 60, 76
Bair 34, 47
Uair 32, 35
Dair 52, 53
N-special 53, 63
S-special N/A
D-special 75, 93

:4pacman:
Airdodge 33, 57
Nair 52, 56
Fair 26, 51
Bair 41, 46
Uair 37, 61
Dair 60, 71
N-special 45, 49 (throw)
S-special N/A
D-special 35, 49 (doesn't work, cannot wall jump)
Forward-throw 25, 32
Back-throw 25, 32
Down-throw 20, 26
Up-throw 24, 31

:4megaman:
Airdodge 34, 45
Nair1 34, 35
Nair2 46, 47
Nair3 58, 59
Fair 41, 51
Bair 43, 49
Uair 54, 61
Dair 65, 71
N-special 43, 48 (forwards); 45, 50 (backwards)
S-special 45, 48
D-special 54, 60 (spawn); 56, 71 (thrown)
Forward-throw 25, 31
Back-throw 25, 31
Down-throw 20, 31
Up-throw 24, 31

:4sonic:
Airdodge 31, 50
Nair 50, 51
Fair 46, 57
Bair 38, 48
Uair 40, 56
Dair N/A
All specials N/A

:4mewtwo:
Airdodge 29, 33
Nair 46, 72
Fair 38, 55
Bair 40, 51
Uair 40, 59
Dair 46, 67
N-special 49, 61
S-special 45, 61
D-special 48, 65

:4cloud:
Airdodge 34, 58
Nair 39, 54
Fair 54, 81
Bair 42, 50
Uair 45, 69
Dair 60, 79
N-special 61, 84 (limit and non-limit)
S-special 41, 71 (non-limit); 61, 91 (limit; doesn't work, unable to wall jump)
D-special 8, 13 (charge cancel); 80, 121 (finishing touch; doesn't work, unable to wall jump)

:4bayonetta:
Airdodge 37, 46
Nair 33, 59 (43 and 69 for the first bullet art rotation, indicating that the same kind of frame advantage gained will be the same or at least roughly the same throughout, and I can't be bothered to test every bullet art rotation for every move)
Fair1 27, 29
Fair2 32, 33
Fair3 40, 41
Bair 30, 41
Uair 30, 49
Dair N/A
N-special 71, 80
S-special N/A
D-special 50, 68 (doesn't work, unable to wall jump)
Wall jumpers with a special that grabs the ledge immediately:
:4mario:sb and ub
:4zss:ub
:4falcon:sb
:4drmario:sb and ub
:4cloud:ub
Their ^ move data is in the spoiler above, and for all intents and purposes (except arguably for a Cloud with limit), you will just use the special stated to snap to the ledge instead of performing a Wacky Snap with these characters.


Others without a wall jump:

:4peach:ub
airdodge 28, 51
nair 49, 59
fair 58, 77
bair 54, 65
uair 46, 55
dair 39, 49
nb 63, 63
sb N/A
db N/A
itf 25, 32
itb 25, 32
itu 24, 31
itd 20, 27

:4dk:sb
airdodge 35, 51
nair 39, 45
fair 56, 57
bair 32, 51
uair 38, 59
dair 55, 59
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 62, 63

:4gaw:ub (useless!!)
airdodge 32, 33
nair 43, 44
fair 45, 46
bair 40, 41
uair 40, 41
dair 50, 51
nb 50, 51
sb 50, 51
db 50, 51

:4ganondorf:sb and ub
airdodge 35, 50
nair 42, 58
fair 45, 60
bair 36, 47
uair 34, 45
dair 47, 56
nb N/A
db N/A

:4pit::4darkpit: sb
airdodge 32, 53
nair 55, 69
fair 47, 57
bair 41, 53
uair 50, 61
dair 37, 56
nb 43, 68
db 64, 75

:4marth::4lucina: ub
airdodge 33, 51
nair 50, 51
fair 38, 42
bair 40, 45
uair 46, 57
dair 60, 71
nb 51, 57
sb N/A
db 60, 61

:4myfriends:ub (useless)
airdodge 34, 46
nair 60, 73
fair 55, 57
bair 55, 56
uair 57, 58
dair 55, 56
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 59, 61

:4charizard:ub (useless)
airdodge 34, 43
nair 60, 61
fair 47, 48
bair 46, 54
uair 46, 61
dair 52, 53
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 72, 73

:4rob:ub
airdodge 33, 48
nair 48, 49
fair 36, 39
bair 53, 60
uair 52, 71
dair 70, 71
nb 50, 64
sb N/A
db 43, 48
itf 21, 22
itb 21, 22
itu 21, 32
itd 19, 20

:4ness:ub
airdodge 34, 50
nair 36, 49
fair 40, 51
bair 36, 51
uair 42, 51
dair 60, 61
nb N/A
sb 59, 71
db 30, 44

:4olimar:ub
airdodge 33, 45
nair 54, 55
fair 43, 53
bair 49, 59
uair 35, 44
dair 52, 61
nb N/A
sb 25, 26
db 21, 47

:4shulk:ub
airdodge 34, 51
nair 71, 81
fair 42, 71
bair 55, 74
uair 60, 80
dair 61, 80
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 81, 81

:4lucas:ub
airdodge 34, 50
nair 45, 73
fair 42, 47
bair 40, 54
uair 46, 56
dair 57, 62
nb N/A
sb 53, 71
db 36, 53

:4feroy:ub
airdodge 33, 51
nair 46, 51
fair 30, 52
bair 36, 45
uair 42, 57
dair 52, 71
nb 45, 81
sb N/A
db 60, 75

:4corrinf:ub
airdodge 33, 55
nair 47, 63
fair 36, 46
bair 42, 57
uair 38, 59
dair N/A
nb 60, 78
sb 42, 57
db 64, 65

If you have any questions just ask.
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#2

Derived from the original name I came up with, the 'WACI Snap', which stood for 'Walljump Animation Cancel Instant Snap', this AT is largely unknown as far as I'm aware.
We plan to make more videos like this into the future if there is enough interest. There are many things I'd like to make a video for, and it'd be great if we could go into Ultimate with some momentum, but we'll see. Big thanks to the Team for making this happen.

Anyway data.
Obviously the video couldn't list it all as it would be far too tedious, but a thread is perfect for this kind of thing.
So watch the video and then look below for the gritty details.

Key:
FAF = First Actionable Frame (the first frame you can act out of an animation, cancelling the remainder of the animation)
FANF = First Animation Neutral Frame (the frame following the last frame of the whole animation assuming you did not cancel it)
N/A = Not applicable (e.g. the move itself made data collection impossible enough to make the data irrelevant, which includes specials that auto grab the ledge regardless)
Things like 'itf' and 'ub' just stand for 'item throw forward' and 'up-b' respectively. You'll figure it out.

FAF on the left, FANF on the right. The Wacky Snap will let you grab the ledge at or after the FAF instead of having to wait for the FANF.

:4mario:
Airdodge 33, 51
Nair 46, 55
Fair 60, 76
Bair 34, 47
Uair 32, 35
Dair 38, 46
N-special 53, 63
S-special N/A
D-special 75, 76

:4diddy:
Airdodge 32, 45
Nair 49, 59
Fair 47, 56
Bair 31, 55
Uair 39, 49
Dair 49, 54
N-special 49, 60
S-special N/A
D-special 40, 46
Forward-throw 21, 27
Back-throw 21, 27
Down-throw 19, 30
Up-throw 21, 27

:4littlemac:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 16, 46
Fair 37, 43
Bair 38, 61
Uair 42, 73
Dair 28, 51
All specials N/A

:4sheik:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 50, 63
Fair 35, 88
Bair 38, 41
Uair 44, 55
Dair N/A
N-special 48, 49
S-special N/A
D-special N/A
Forward-throw 25, 26
Back-throw 25, 32
Down-throw 20, 27
Up-throw 24, 31

:4tlink:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 42, 53
Fair 39, 53
Bair 46, 70
Uair 60, 73
Dair N/A
N-special 42, 43
S-special 46, 54
D-special 40, 41
Forward-throw 21, 27
Back-throw 21, 27
Down-throw 19, 25
Up-throw 21, 34

:4samus:
Airdodge 33, 69
Nair 46, 55
Fair 60, 65
Bair 39, 57
Uair 40, 55
Dair 49, 61
N-special 46, 47 (charged and uncharged)
S-special 66, 73 (homing); 60, 62 (super)
D-special 49, 56

:4zss:
Airdodge 31, 41
Nair 52, 53
Fair 47, 76
Bair 40, 52
Uair 38, 75
Dair N/A
N-special 49, 51
S-special 56, 59
D-special N/A

:4duckhunt:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 56, 67
Fair 46, 53
Bair 42, 51
Uair 40, 56
Dair 60, 61
N-special N/A
S-special N/A
D-special 45, 75

:4fox:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 42, 51
Fair 50, 51
Bair 49, 56
Uair 36, 41
Dair 50, 51
N-special 38, 43
S-special N/A
D-special 41, 42

:4falco:
Airdodge 32, 51
Nair 49, 59
Fair 50, 64
Bair 38, 43
Uair 34, 39
Dair 52, 65
N-special 50, 51
S-special N/A
D-special 51, 65

:4pikachu:
Airdodge 31, 51
Nair 39, 41
Fair 42, 54
Bair 59, 60
Uair 27, 29
Dair 48, 59
N-special 58, 76
S-special N/A
D-special 36, 46 (contact) (doesn't work though because Pika is rising)

:4lucario:
Airdodge 32, 41
Nair 43, 56
Fair 26, 64
Bair 49, 65
Uair 38, 52
Dair 31, 33
N-special 62, 72
S-special 64, 65
D-special 80, 111

:4greninja:
Airdodge 32, 45
Nair 65, 66
Fair 55, 65
Bair 46, 47
Uair 42, 49
Dair N/A
N-special 39, 51
S-special 67, 82
D-special 65, 81

:4falcon:
Airdodge 34, 51
Nair 45, 56
Fair 46, 47
Bair 36, 41
Uair 34, 35
Dair 45, 56
N-special 110, 116
S-special N/A
D-special N/A

:4villager:
Airdodge 34, 51
Nair 36, 46
Fair 40, 64
Bair 36, 65
Uair 43, 51
Dair 46, 51
N-special 51, 64
S-special 38, 39
D-special 48, 56 (axe)
Forward-throw 25, 33
Back-throw 25, 33
Down-throw 20, 28
Up-throw 24, 32

:4wiifit:
Airdodge 32, 41
Nair 35, 46
Fair 46, 56
Bair 49, 55
Uair 40, 41
Dair 45, 59
N-special 59, 61
S-special N/A
D-special N/A

:4drmario:
Airdodge 33, 51
Nair 46, 55
Fair 60, 76
Bair 34, 47
Uair 32, 35
Dair 52, 53
N-special 53, 63
S-special N/A
D-special 75, 93

:4pacman:
Airdodge 33, 57
Nair 52, 56
Fair 26, 51
Bair 41, 46
Uair 37, 61
Dair 60, 71
N-special 45, 49 (throw)
S-special N/A
D-special 35, 49 (doesn't work, cannot wall jump)
Forward-throw 25, 32
Back-throw 25, 32
Down-throw 20, 26
Up-throw 24, 31

:4megaman:
Airdodge 34, 45
Nair1 34, 35
Nair2 46, 47
Nair3 58, 59
Fair 41, 51
Bair 43, 49
Uair 54, 61
Dair 65, 71
N-special 43, 48 (forwards); 45, 50 (backwards)
S-special 45, 48
D-special 54, 60 (spawn); 56, 71 (thrown)
Forward-throw 25, 31
Back-throw 25, 31
Down-throw 20, 31
Up-throw 24, 31

:4sonic:
Airdodge 31, 50
Nair 50, 51
Fair 46, 57
Bair 38, 48
Uair 40, 56
Dair N/A
All specials N/A

:4mewtwo:
Airdodge 29, 33
Nair 46, 72
Fair 38, 55
Bair 40, 51
Uair 40, 59
Dair 46, 67
N-special 49, 61
S-special 45, 61
D-special 48, 65

:4cloud:
Airdodge 34, 58
Nair 39, 54
Fair 54, 81
Bair 42, 50
Uair 45, 69
Dair 60, 79
N-special 61, 84 (limit and non-limit)
S-special 41, 71 (non-limit); 61, 91 (limit; doesn't work, unable to wall jump)
D-special 8, 13 (charge cancel); 80, 121 (finishing touch; doesn't work, unable to wall jump)

:4bayonetta:
Airdodge 37, 46
Nair 33, 59 (43 and 69 for the first bullet art rotation, indicating that the same kind of frame advantage gained will be the same or at least roughly the same throughout, and I can't be bothered to test every bullet art rotation for every move)
Fair1 27, 29
Fair2 32, 33
Fair3 40, 41
Bair 30, 41
Uair 30, 49
Dair N/A
N-special 71, 80
S-special N/A
D-special 50, 68 (doesn't work, unable to wall jump)
Wall jumpers with a special that grabs the ledge immediately:
:4mario:sb and ub
:4zss:ub
:4falcon:sb
:4drmario:sb and ub
:4cloud:ub
Their ^ move data is in the spoiler above, and for all intents and purposes (except arguably for a Cloud with limit), you will just use the special stated to snap to the ledge instead of performing a Wacky Snap with these characters.


Others without a wall jump:

:4peach:ub
airdodge 28, 51
nair 49, 59
fair 58, 77
bair 54, 65
uair 46, 55
dair 39, 49
nb 63, 63
sb N/A
db N/A
itf 25, 32
itb 25, 32
itu 24, 31
itd 20, 27

:4dk:sb
airdodge 35, 51
nair 39, 45
fair 56, 57
bair 32, 51
uair 38, 59
dair 55, 59
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 62, 63

:4gaw:ub (useless!!)
airdodge 32, 33
nair 43, 44
fair 45, 46
bair 40, 41
uair 40, 41
dair 50, 51
nb 50, 51
sb 50, 51
db 50, 51

:4ganondorf:sb and ub
airdodge 35, 50
nair 42, 58
fair 45, 60
bair 36, 47
uair 34, 45
dair 47, 56
nb N/A
db N/A

:4pit::4darkpit: sb
airdodge 32, 53
nair 55, 69
fair 47, 57
bair 41, 53
uair 50, 61
dair 37, 56
nb 43, 68
db 64, 75

:4marth::4lucina: ub
airdodge 33, 51
nair 50, 51
fair 38, 42
bair 40, 45
uair 46, 57
dair 60, 71
nb 51, 57
sb N/A
db 60, 61

:4myfriends:ub (useless)
airdodge 34, 46
nair 60, 73
fair 55, 57
bair 55, 56
uair 57, 58
dair 55, 56
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 59, 61

:4charizard:ub (useless)
airdodge 34, 43
nair 60, 61
fair 47, 48
bair 46, 54
uair 46, 61
dair 52, 53
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 72, 73

:4rob:ub
airdodge 33, 48
nair 48, 49
fair 36, 39
bair 53, 60
uair 52, 71
dair 70, 71
nb 50, 64
sb N/A
db 43, 48
itf 21, 22
itb 21, 22
itu 21, 32
itd 19, 20

:4ness:ub
airdodge 34, 50
nair 36, 49
fair 40, 51
bair 36, 51
uair 42, 51
dair 60, 61
nb N/A
sb 59, 71
db 30, 44

:4olimar:ub
airdodge 33, 45
nair 54, 55
fair 43, 53
bair 49, 59
uair 35, 44
dair 52, 61
nb N/A
sb 25, 26
db 21, 47

:4shulk:ub
airdodge 34, 51
nair 71, 81
fair 42, 71
bair 55, 74
uair 60, 80
dair 61, 80
nb N/A
sb N/A
db 81, 81

:4lucas:ub
airdodge 34, 50
nair 45, 73
fair 42, 47
bair 40, 54
uair 46, 56
dair 57, 62
nb N/A
sb 53, 71
db 36, 53

:4feroy:ub
airdodge 33, 51
nair 46, 51
fair 30, 52
bair 36, 45
uair 42, 57
dair 52, 71
nb 45, 81
sb N/A
db 60, 75

:4corrinf:ub
airdodge 33, 55
nair 47, 63
fair 36, 46
bair 42, 57
uair 38, 59
dair N/A
nb 60, 78
sb 42, 57
db 64, 65

If you have any questions just ask.
I'll probably touch up the formatting later.
Wait, that was you? I would see videos by you, but not realize that was the case. I should look into this video more later.
 
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