The VGBootCamp Project Updated with More info + Helpers list

GimR · Jun 21, 2010

WARNING! This is a Huge Project and a Long Read!(It's worth it though)

If you're in the smash community you probably know what VGBootCamp is. Those guys who do live streams/run tournaments/are the sponsors Apex.

But look at our name, VGBootCamp and our slogan, learn, play, win. These both imply some sort of training . Well, that's what I'm current;y working on, the website. Our site is going to have a lot of guides, where if you know nothing about smash you can learn everything important about it competitively(besides things like experience, that's learned) with out going to a single smash tournament and if you know a lot about smash you can still come to learn a lot more.

Our focus is to make very visual guides that show players techs/strategies but also teach them how to do them in a very easy to learn way. That's the key difference between a good and bad teacher. They both have the same information but the good teacher makes it fun and easier to learn

I need your help though. I can't make all of these guides/collect frame data all by myself unless you want our site up late 2011, lol.

Let me explain to you how the smash part of our website is going be laid out. When you
select smash it will let you choose one of the following sections:

1. Basic Training(Basically Complete)
2. Advanced Training(Planning Stage)
3. Character Specific training(Planning Stage)
4. Stages(Planning Stage)
5. Tournament Play(Planning Stage)
6. Glossary(Planning Stage)

Key:

1st Draft Stage - This means that The 1st Draft of the Guide Still needs to be written on paper
2nd Draft Stage- Now that the first draft is written it needs to be transfered onto the computer in outline form with a few touch ups
Final Draft Stage - The 2nd Draft now needs to be edited so it shows exactly how the video needs to be laid out, and what footage needs to be captured
Capture Stage- All of the footage outlined in the Final Draft Stage needs to be captured
Edit Footage Stage - Now that the footage is captured it needs to be Edited into the final tutorial video
Final Touch ups Stage - Make sure Everything runs smooth, looks right, and is easy to understand
Complete- The Tutorial vid is done

Note: Unless something has gotten to the capture stage then the exact order or number of guides it will contain is still up in the air.

1. Basic Training - This Section consists of 3 videos outlining all of the very basic aspects of the game with button inputs on the screen to help the player understand fully what's going on. This is for someone who came into the scene and knows absolutely nothing about it. It introduces the new player to the vocabulary of the smash community with abbreviations.( For example it will show Mario doing his F-air. on the screen it says "input the following to do a Forward Air(F-air)", and then shows the button input) It also has a section for Key terms

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Key Terms (0% Complete, 1st Draft Stage) - Any terms that aren't mentioned in basic training and advanced training will be taught here in this sub-section first to give a base for the player's learning. This will include small tutorial videos explaining the terms. This includes what a frame, knock back, and buffering is.
Game mechanics and Movement: (Complete, it may be split into two separate videos) This video starts by explaining how percent works and that the basic idea of the game is to kill someone off the sides or top once their percent gets higher. It explains how to dash, jump, fast fall, crawl, wall jump, AKA basically every movement you can do in the game. It also briefly explains, foot stooling, stale moves, and other game mechanics.
Offensive Basics (Complete, it may have a few spelling errors + dash grab needs to be added) This video explains and shows all offensive attacks including all aerials, B, moves, grounded moves, etc.
Defensive Basics(Complete, it may have a few spelling errors) This video explains and shows all defensive moves including rolling, spot dodging, air dodging, get up attack, etc. It also briefly explains recovering from off of the stage

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2. Advanced Training - This section will consist of video tutorials that will explain everything advanced about brawl that isn't character specific. This includes, DI, Spacing, Universal techniques, grab releasing, stale moves, foot stooling and ground locks, priority, etc.

[collapse=Advanced Training]

Universal Techniques (40% Complete,) This sub section will include vids of Universal techniques that will help the intermediate player catch up on his tech skill. Each tutorial will show the technique, how to do it with a video of hands on a Game cube controller doing the tech, and application of the tech.
1. B-Sticking(Capture stage)
2. Boost Grab(Capture stage)
3. BPDT [Buffered Platform Drop Through](Final Draft stage)
4. DACUS/BDACUS(Capture stage)
5. Edge Hugging(Capture stage)
6. Fast Fall Canceling(Capture stage)
7. Glide Tossing(Capture stage)
8. Insta-Throwing(Capture stage)
9. JCT [Jump Canceled Throw](Final Draft stage)
10. JCUS/JCUB [Jump Canceled U-Smash/Up-B](Final Draft stage)
11. OOS [Out of Shield](Capture stage)
12. RAR [Reverse Aerial Rush](Capture stage)
13. Reverse Grab and Other Variations(Final Draft stage)
14. Stutter Stepped F-Smash(Capture stage)
Grabbing/Grab Releasing (50% Complete,) - This Section will teach you everything you would ever need to know about grabs and grab releasing
1. Grab Armor(Capture stage)
2. Port Priority(Capture stage)
3. Grab Releasing(Capture stage)
4. The 4 Rules of Grab Releasing(Capture stage)
5. Grab Releasing Frame Advantages(Capture stage)
6. Exceptions[Bowser, Ness/Lucas, DK, Squirtle, Jiggz](Capture stage)
7. Grab Releasing in Teams Play(Capture stage)
8. Breaking Out of Grabs(Capture stage)
Shielding/PowerShielding (Final Draft Stage) - This guide will consist of 1 video that will explain what happens when you shield, what you can and cannot do after shielding an attack, and what you can and cannot do after Power shielding an attack
Tripping(20% Complete,) - This guide will explain tripping, the different states you're in when you trip, and the different ways to trip
1. What Happens When You Trip (2nd Draft Stage)
2. The Different Ways to Trip (2nd Draft Stage)
Stale Moves (Final Draft Stage) - This guide will contain 1 video explaining everything that needs to be known about Stale Moves
DI[Directional Influence](40% Complete,) - This Section will teach you everything you would ever need to know about DI
1. The Concept of DI (Final Draft Stage)
2. Smash DI (Final Draft Stage)
3. Trajectory DI (Final Draft Stage)
4. C-Stick DI (Final Draft Stage)
5. Aerial DI (Final Draft Stage)
6. B-Move DI (Final Draft Stage)
7. DIing Throws (Final Draft Stage)
Foot Stools and Ground Locks](40% Complete,) - This Section will teach you everything you would ever need to know about Foot Stooling and Ground Locking
1. General Rules of Foot Stooling (Final Draft Stage)
2. Grounded Foot Stooling (Final Draft Stage)
3. Aerial Foot Stooling (Final Draft Stage)
4. Ground Locking (Final Draft Stage)
Priority and Collision Bubbles](10% Complete,) - This Section will teach you what's wrong about the myth of priority and what's really going on; How different Hit Bubbles(Not Moves/Animations) have different types of priority and no Move blatantly out prioritizes another move. It's all really about what type of priority of hit bubble your move has, how big it is, and if you're spacing it correctly.

Hit Bubbles and Hurt Bubbles (First Draft Stage)
Clank Interrupt Priority (First Draft Stage)
Clank Ignore Priority (First Draft Stage)
Transcended Priority (First Draft Stage)
Spacing, Timing, and Controlling the Stage(First Draft Stage) - This is one of the most important sub-sections of advanced training. In this section the player will learn correct spacing, timing, frame traps, and controlling the stage
Platforms (First Draft Stage)] - This Guide will explain everything about platforms in Brawl.
Air Dodging, Rolling, and Spot Dodging Correctly (First Draft Stage)Stage)] - This guide will correctly explain how when to roll, spot dodge, and air dodge.

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3. Character Specific Training (0% Complete) - This Section will include character specific guides, frame data, move set analysis , and Advanced Techniques. It will also include character match up charts, etc. The site will not launch with match up guides but we still need to collect as much data as possible on match ups. Each character's section will include the following Sub Sections:

[Collapse=Character Specific Training]

How to Play - This section will explain the character and if he or she has any special properties(For example, Olimar plays with pikmen and Popo has a computer helper. It will also include a Basic how to play guide on that character which will explain how to approach, recover, combo, and kill with that character
Frame Data - This section will be a flash based program where you can view your character's moves frame by frame with the transparent red hit boxes on and hopefully yellow hurt bubbles. It will indicate the following data for each move(Taken From Veril):
1. The hit-frames and first actionable frame.
2. Cancelable frames(IASA, Auto Cancel)
3. Part Qualitiative hitbox data: ex. strong hitbubble, weak, etc
4. Damage by hitbubble
5. The frame advantage "on-hit" and "on-block" for all moves
6. The % at which moves induce tumble, by character weight class (there is overlap so testing of all is unnecessary).
  [*]Invincible frames for rolls, stand up, get up attack, air dodge, tech rolls, tech get up, Trip rolls, trip get up attack, trip stand up
Move Set Analysis - This section will take each move and break it down in video guide form. IT's similar to the frame data section but not entirely. If you help collect footage or data for a character's moves you will answer the following questions for each move(not including things like rolls which obviously can't answer some of the questions):
1. What Frame Does it Come Out On?
2. Is it Disjointed?
3. Does it have Multiple Hits or More then One Hit Bubble?
4. How Much Damage Does it Give Fresh? How Much does it Give for each iteration of being Stale?
5. What Kind of Priority Does Each of it's Hit Bubbles Have?
6. Does the move or it's hit bubbles have any Special Attributes?
  1. Invincibility?
  2. Super Armor?
  3. Does it Freeze, Electrocute, or Burn an opponent?
  4. Does it Trip? and if so at What Percentages and What's The Probability at thosePercentages?
  5. Does it have a Wind Box?
7. Where are it's Weak Spots?
8. How Long is It's Cool Down?
9. When Does it Auto Cancel/ When is it IASA?
10. What is it's Shield Advantage?
11. What is it's Advantage on Hit?
12. What is it Useful for?
  1. Putting on Presure?
  2. Poking?
  3. To Rack Up Damage?
  4. To Set Up Another Attack?
  5. *Insert Your Own Question Here, These Questions are just guide Lines*
13. When Does it kill at the center of FD(No DI)?
  1. Light Characters
  2. Medium Weight Characters
  3. Heavy Characters
Advance Techniques - This section will detail a character's advanced techniques and abilities. It will also show any grab release combos he or she has on another character. Each Advanced technique will shown and taught in the following way:
1. What Happens? - Show the AT and explain what's happening
2. How do you Do it? - Show a Step by Step on how to do the AT. This part will also show how a gamecube controller showing the finger movements.
3. Uses/Application - This Section of the video will give various uses and tell the viewer when to apply the AT.

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4. Stages (0% Complete) - The Stages Section Will just show short Video walk through guides explaining everything important about that stage. If you were to Work on one of the stage guides you'd ask the following questions:

[collapse=Stages]

What ledges can be grabbed onto?
Are there any platforms on the stage?
Are there any stage Hazards? If so how do they work and how much damage do they give?
Are there any Walls on the Stage?
Can You be Stage Spiked anywhere on the Level?
Does the Stage have any special attributes or glitches?
Where are the boundaries in relation to the stage?
Our there any walk offs?

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5. Tournament Play (0% Complete) - This section will contain different rule sets from different regions. It will also include the official VGBootCamp, and MLG rule sets. There will be guides on how to prepare for a tourney and how to best use your time at a tournament.

6. Glossary (0% Complete) - This Section will help player's who are looking for specific techniques or guides. They will be listed in alphabetical order and will link directly to the source page of the specific guide or AT

If you have any suggestions or think we've left anything out please do tell

GimR · Jun 21, 2010

How YOU can Help

(Don't feel like you're restricted to only one of the following roles. Help in any way that you'd like)

1. Gathering Data
2 .Writing Guides
3. Capturing Footage
4.Rough Cut Video Editing

1. Gathering Data - A Data Gatherer would be someone who researches finite details of the game. This includes but is not limited to Frame Data, move set analysis for characters, and Stage specific data.

[Collapse=Frame Data]

[collapse=Veril's Timer Method]

OK, time to share something kinda boring but really useful.

Counting frames is incredibly tedious and a waste of time. If you're collecting data that requires frame-advance rather than PSA (say you're finding shield or hitstun data) its a lot easier if you give a frame value to the clock timer. What I like to do to make things easiest for me is to have the initial input frames for whatever I'm testing occur on the x:00 mark.

So I made this little chart for easy conversions:

Code:

Time       Frame			
x:00	0			
98	        1		48	31
96	        2		46	32
95	        3		45	33
93	        4		43	34
91       	5		41	35
90	        6		40	36
88	        7		38	37
86	        8		36	38
85	        9		35	39
83	        10		33	40
81	        11		31	41
80	        12		30	42
78	         13		28	43
76	        14		26	44
75	        15		25	45
73	        16		23	46
71	        17		21	47
70	        18		20	48
68	        19		18	49
66	        20		16	50
65	        21		15	51
63	        22		13	52
61	        23		11	53
60	        24		10	54
58	        25		8	55
56	        26		6	56
55	        27		5	57
53	        28		3	58
51	        29		1	59
50	        30		x+1:00	60

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Veril and TheCape have already gotten(or are in the process of getting) all of the data for aerials

Grounded Moves/Attacks

JaB
D-Tilt
F-Tilt
U-Tilt
F-Smash
D-Smash
U-Smash
Dash Attack
Jump
Grab
Dash Grab
Reverse Grab
Spot Dodge
Forward Roll
Backward Roll
Slow Trip Animation
Fast Trip Animation

While Laying on the Ground

Get Up Attack(While on Back)
Get Up Attack(While on Stomache)
Stand Up
Roll Forward
Roll Backwards
Get Up Attack(After Tripping)
Stand Up(After Tripping)
Roll Forward(After Tripping)
Roll Backward(After Tripping)

Aerial Moves/Attacks
Glide Attack
Air Dodge
Tech in Place
Tech Roll Forward
Tech Roll Backwards

Specials

Neutral B
Forward B
Grounded Up-B
Aerial Up-B
Down-B Hit
Down-B Not Hit

Ledge Moves

Ledge Attack
Ledge Get Up
Ledge Roll
Ledge Jump
Ledge Attack >100%
Ledge Get Up >100%
Ledge Roll >100%
Ledge Jump >100%

Check for the Following:

The hit-frames and first actionable frame.
Cancelable frames(IASA, Auto Cancel)
Part Qualitiative hitbox data: ex. strong hitbubble, weak, etc
Damage by hitbubble
The frame advantage "on-hit" and "on-block" for all moves
The % at which moves induce tumble, by character weight class (there is overlap so testing of all is unnecessary).
[*]Invincible frames for rolls, stand up, get up attack, air dodge, tech rolls, tech get up, Trip rolls, trip get up attack, trip stand up, all ledge get up animations, and both tripping animations

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[collapse=Move Set Analysis]

What Frame Does it Come Out On?
[*]Is it Disjointed?
[*]Does it have Multiple Hits or More then One Hit Bubble?
[*]How Much Damage Does it Give Fresh? How Much does it Give for each iteration of being Stale?
[*]What Kind of Priority Does Each of it's Hit Bubbles Have?
[*]Does the move or it's hit bubbles have any Special Attributes?

Invincibility?

Super Armor?

Does it Freeze, Electrocute, or Burn an opponent?

Does it Trip? and if so at What Percentages and What's The Probability at thosePercentages?

Does it have a Wind Box?

[*]Where are it's Weak Spots?
[*]How Long is It's Cool Down?
[*]When Does it Auto Cancel/ When is it IASA?
[*]What is it's Shield Advantage?
[*]What is it's Advantage on Hit?
[*]What is it Useful for?

Putting on Presure?

Poking?
1. To Rack Up Damage?
2. To Set Up Another Attack?
3. *Insert Your Own Question Here, These Questions are just guide Lines*
When Does it kill at the center of FD(No DI)?
1. Light Characters
2. Medium Weight Characters
  Heavy Characters[/b]

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1. Writing Guides - a Guide Writer would be someone who knows the ins and outs of a particular subject and can properly organize his or her thoughts onto paper. The Guide writer must at least do the following:

Write a Final Draft - A final Draft must follow the following guidelines

Any footage that needs to be captured for the final video must be listed in the guide next to it's written counter part. For example, if in your guide, you have a paragraph explaining how an Aerial Grab Release works, you must put in parentheses next to that paragraph what ever footage would be needed to explain Aerial Grab Releasing in video form. This is important for 2 reasons:
1. So the person who's capturing footage for the guide knows what footage to capture
2. So the Rough cut editor understands the order for each clip in correlation with the guide

3. Capturing Footage - A footage capturer must follow these guidelines when getting clips for any guide:

Output Brawl in Wide Screen(16:9)
Capture Footage in the following dimensions: 720X480
Make sure the Captured file Type is .AVI
Have the character initiating the main action always FACING RIGHT(for an example, Click Here)
Don't worry about De-interlacing anything, I'll do that with the final cut
Go HERE and download drop box. This will be everyones way of sharing footage.
When capturing frame data use the following:
- Codes for going frame by frame and also making the back ground completely Black:
  
  [collapse=Frame Data Codes]
  
  I recommend when people film their hitboxes to use these codes:
  
  Infinite Replay (if not recording live)
  040E5DE8 60000000
  04953184 60000000
  04953224 60000000
  
  1 player matches
  0468D420 2C060001
  
  Random button goes to Result (Pitch Black) Stage
  4A000000 81000000
  3253CDDC 01010101
  305E25C4 00000036
  145E25DC FFFFFFFF
  E2000001 00000000
  305E25DC FFFFFFFF
  145E25D8 00000028
  E2000002 80008000
  
  Unrestricted pause camera
  040A7D60 4E800020
  04109D88 38800001
  
  Unrestricted Replay Camera
  0409E934 60000000
  0409E93C 60000000
  0409E9AC FC201890
  0409E9B8 FC600090
  0409E9BC FC000890
  0409E9C8 FC001890
  
  Debug Pause:-(GCC)
  80000000 805B8A08
  0402E5AC 8819000B
  4A000000 804DE470
  38000000 EFFF1000
  86410000 00000001
  E2000001 00000000
  4A000000 805B8A08
  3A000002 00FF0000
  12000002 00000001
  E2000001 00000000
  4A000000 804DE470
  38000000 FFEF0010
  4A000000 805B8A08
  3A000002 FF000000
  12000002 00000100
  E2000002 00000000
  
  Button Modifier:
  041E6CD8 4BE1C128
  041E6D1C 4BE1C114
  06002E00 00000068
  9421FF80 BC410008
  7CE4402E 7CE738F8
  7CE73039 3864FFC0
  7CE3412E 7CC4412E
  B8410008 38210080
  60000000 481E3EB0
  9421FF80 BC410008
  7C03202E 3DC01000
  7DCE70F8 7C007039
  740E0408 3DE00408
  7C0E7800 40820008
  64001000 B8410008
  38210080 481E3EBC
  
  No Stale Moves
  02FC0988 00130000
  
  Tripping Rate Modifier
  0481CB34 C0220020
  045A9340 00000000
  
  Unrestricted Control Editing
  * 211973CC 7CC6F82E
  * 051973CC 38C20060
  * 05197468 38620060
  * 05197574 38820060
  * 05197680 38E20060
  * 051976B4 38620060
  * 051978CC 38E20060
  * 065A9380 0000000A
  * 00010203 04050A0B
  * 0C0D0000 00000000
  * E0000000 80008000
  
  File Patch Code v3.5.1 [Phantom Wings]
  E0000000 80008000
  225664EC 00000000
  0401BFE0 4858BE20
  065A7E00 00000070
  38A00067 38810020
  3CE0805A 60E37C18
  4BE52531 38A0007F
  3883FFE8 38610020
  4BE52521 38A00068
  60E47C18 38610020
  9421FF80 BC410008
  38610088 4BA74DB9
  7C7C1B78 2C030000
  4082000C 38210080
  4800001C B8410008
  38210080 4BE524E5
  38610008 4BA742E1
  7C7C1B78 4BA741E8
  040223E0 48585BC0
  065A7FA0 00000028
  80010044 3C608001
  6063581C 7C001800
  4082000C 7FDDC850
  3BDEFFE0 93DB0008
  4BA7A424 00000000
  0401CD0C 4858B1F4
  065A7F00 00000038
  2C030000 4182000C
  4BA7DD51 4BA74E04
  80780008 2C030000
  41820014 8118000C
  7C634214 7C7B1850
  48000008 8078000C
  4BA74DE0 00000000
  043EE9D8 48000014
  043EEBD4 48000014
  043D8B9C 48000018
  043E9B4C 38600000
  043E9D38 38600000
  043D8C80 60000000
  80000000 80406920
  80000001 805A7C00
  8A001001 00000000
  045A7C10 2F525342
  045A7C14 452F7066
  80000001 805A7B00
  8A001001 00000000
  065A7B10 0000000F
  2F525342 452F7066
  2F736F75 6E642F00
  041C6CE0 483E0D20
  065A7A00 00000028
  9421FF80 BC410008
  3C60805A 60637B1F
  4BE52931 B8410008
  38210080 4BE52995
  4BC1F2C4 00000000
  065A7900 00000078
  9421FF80 7C0802A6
  9001000C BC810010
  9421FF00 7C872378
  54B2BA7E 7CD33378
  38800000 9081000C
  90810010 90610014
  90810018 3880FFFF
  9081001C 38610020
  90610008 7CE43B78
  38A00080 4BE529F5
  38610008 4BA752A1
  60000000 80210000
  B8810010 8001000C
  7C0803A6 80210000
  4E800020 00000000
  043E399C 481C3F04
  065A78A0 00000010
  80BC0020 7CA59214
  3A400000 4BE3C0F4
  043DBAEC 481CBDE4
  065A78D0 00000018
  800302A4 2C130000
  41820008 7E609B78
  3A600000 4BE3420C
  041CDF7C 483D9884
  065A7800 00000098
  818C0014 9421FF80
  BC410008 3D009034
  61089D94 7C034000
  4082003C 7C882378
  3C60804D 60630000
  3C80805A 60847B00
  7CC53378 38C04200
  80E40080 2C070000
  40820014 60000000
  480000B9 2C030000
  41820010 B8410008
  80210000 4BC26724
  70A501FF 3868FFFF
  3C80804C 6084FFFF
  7C842A14 38A04001
  38A5FFFF 8C040001
  9C030001 2C050000
  4082FFF0 B8410008
  80210000 4BC2670C
  141CCF90 483DA770
  065A7700 00000048
  9421FF80 BC410008
  7FE3FB78 3C80805A
  60847B00 38A00000
  38C04000 480001E5
  90640080 807F0008
  907A0014 907A005C
  907A0074 B8410008
  80210000 807F0000
  4BC25854 00000000
  E0000000 80008000
  
  No HUD [Phantom Wings]
  4A000000 800E08D4
  14000000 38A00000
  
  No Tags [Phantom Wings]
  C20E5190 00000002
  38800000 90830354
  60000000 00000000
  
  Optional:
  1 player matches [spunit262]
  0468D420 2C060001
  
  Click to expand...
  
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- .Pac Files that show a character's hit bubbles: Click Here

4. Rough Cut Editing - A Rough Cut Editor will be in charge of making a basic cut that puts all of the video cuts in order to prepare for the final cut. You have to follow the following guidelines:

You must use Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 or greater
You must use the following settings in the program: Pre-Sets -> DV NTSC -> Widescreen 48KHZ

Anyone that helps will be given Credit in the guide he or she helped with. So... any Takers?

Once I get feed back I'm going to make an invite only group to get help from researchers that aren't in the smash lab. Do you guys have any suggestions to who I should invite?

GimR · Jun 21, 2010

Who's Doing What

Key:

1. Gathering Data
2 .Writing Guide
3. Capturing Footage
4.Rough Cut Video Editing
5. Complete

If someone's name is any one of the following colors next to a certain task then he or she is doing the corresponding job to that task

For example:

Grab's and Grab Releasing (GIMR, GIMR)

This means that I'm gathering the data and writing the script for this particular guide

If anyone wants to help Capture Footage for a Script that has already been written say so or AIM me @ "Godismyrock89" and I will give you a list of footage that needs to be captured for that script

[collapse=Basic Training]

Key Terms - (I'll Update soon with a list of terms)
Game mechanics and MovementComplete
Offensive BasicsComplete
Defensive BasicsComplete

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[collapse=Advanced Training]

[collapse=Universal Techniques]
1. B-Sticking (GIMR, GIMR)
2. Boost Grab (GIMR, GIMR)
3. BPDT [Buffered Platform Drop Through] (GIMR, GIMR)
4. DACUS/BDACUS (GIMR, GIMR)
5. Edge Hugging (GIMR, GIMR)
6. Fast Fall Canceling (GIMR, GIMR)
7. Glide Tossing (GIMR, GIMR)
8. Insta-Throwing (GIMR, GIMR)
9. JCT [Jump Canceled Throw] (GIMR, GIMR)
10. JCUS/JCUB [Jump Canceled U-Smash/Up-B] (GIMR, GIMR)
11. OOS [Out of Shield] (GIMR, GIMR)
12. RAR [Reverse Aerial Rush] (GIMR, GIMR)
13. Reverse Grab and Other Variations (GIMR, GIMR)
14. Stutter Stepped F-Smash (GIMR, GIMR)
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[collapse=Grabbing/Grab Releasing]
1. Grab Armor (GIMR, GIMR)
2. Port Priority (GIMR, GIMR)
3. Grab Releasing (GIMR, GIMR)
4. The 4 Rules of Grab Releasing (GIMR, GIMR)
5. Grab Releasing Frame Advantages (GIMR, GIMR)
6. Exceptions[Bowser, Ness/Lucas, DK, Squirtle, Jiggz] (GIMR, GIMR)
7. Grab Releasing in Teams Play (GIMR, GIMR)
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Veril · Jun 21, 2010

reserved for comments/critiques, and I have quite a few. But... I just got off my 8 hour shift so I need to focus on filling in the gaps for all aerial FAF and autocancel points (the few I do not have currently that is, I've got the vast majority of aerial frame data obv). I also need to run several experiments involving adv permutations. Hopefully I can respond fully to this in the morning or early afternoon before work.

rPSIvysaur · Jun 21, 2010

@capturing hitbubbles - Why use a black stage? Wouldn't it be better to go with the custom stage with the length of one BMU on it?
also include unrestricted control editing to the codes list.

Veril · Jun 21, 2010

Keep in mind visible hitboxes aren't always accurate with movement and do not respond adequately to interactions with shields / hurtboxes.

They are simply more accurately portraying the business end of an attack animation, they are not exactly the same as the hitboxes themselves.

GimR · Jun 22, 2010

Veril said:
reserved for comments/critiques, and I have quite a few. But... I just got off my 8 hour shift so I need to focus on filling in the gaps for all aerial FAF and autocancel points (the few I do not have currently that is, I've got the vast majority of aerial frame data obv). I also need to run several experiments involving adv permutations. Hopefully I can respond fully to this in the morning or early afternoon before work.

Good, I can't wait to here your feed back

RocketPSIence said:
@capturing hitbubbles - Why use a black stage? Wouldn't it be better to go with the custom stage with the length of one BMU on it?
also include unrestricted control editing to the codes list.

could you explain BMU?

Also could you explain what the unrestricted control editing code is and give me a link to it?

rPSIvysaur · Jun 22, 2010

God-is-my-Rock said:
could you explain BMU?

A BMU is a Brawl Measurement Unit. It's what Brawl uses to measure stuff such as hitboxes. The more important thing about using them is, is that it gives the viewers the ability to see how far an attack reaches compared to each other.

Also could you explain what the unrestricted control editing code is and give me a link to it?

It allows you to remap everything (such as Smash and taunt) to every control. It's very helpful.

Code:

Unrestricted Control Editing
* 211973CC 7CC6F82E
* 051973CC 38C20060
* 05197468 38620060
* 05197574 38820060
* 05197680 38E20060
* 051976B4 38620060
* 051978CC 38E20060
* 065A9380 0000000A
* 00010203 04050A0B
* 0C0D0000 00000000
* E0000000 80008000

Isatis · Jun 22, 2010

RocketPSIence said:
A BMU is a Brawl Measurement Unit. It's what Brawl uses to measure stuff such as hitboxes. The more important thing about using them is, is that it gives the viewers the ability to see how far an attack reaches compared to each other.

Adding on to rPSI's comment:

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tM_jwqnkSUs&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tM_jwqnkSUs&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/D9mak7FXmSY&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/D9mak7FXmSY&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

KayLo! · Jun 22, 2010

...........Where/how can I get that stage? (I'm a little behind on hacks, my bad.)

Isatis · Jun 22, 2010

Should be available at http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Sc/so/51565.pac&key=null (just click the only button on the page that says "[ Sc_51565.pac", then you should see a download link)

edit: I think I asked FrozenHobo a month or two ago about hexxing a block piece in that custom stage where a character can appear in front of it, too (moving it behind them on the Z-axis)...

KayLo! · Jun 22, 2010

Cool, thanks Bio.

Remzi · Jun 22, 2010

Where do I put that in the SD card? And what stage does it go over?

Isatis · Jun 22, 2010

It's a custom stage texture: STGCUSTOM1.pac (I think? It's either 1, 2 or 3) and goes in /pf/stage/melee/

GimR · Jun 24, 2010

I personally don't think that the stage measurement texture is needed.

When you're looking at the hit bubbles you can judge their sizes by seeing how big they are in relation to your character.

rPSIvysaur · Jun 24, 2010

That's the problem. You're judging in relation to character size, which obviously differs from character to character.

GimR · Jun 24, 2010

RocketPSIence said:
That's the problem. You're judging in relation to character size, which obviously differs from character to character.

exactly, knowing your hitbubbles in relation to another character doesn't matter unless you're playing against that character with your character. When you're doing so all you need to know is your character's relation to his own hit bubbles.

Remzi · Jun 25, 2010

GIMR, you are right in a sense. But if all we have is pictures like that, we can't do hitbox comparisons between various characters. If we get actual numerical values for each hitbox, we can easily compare.

Veril · Jun 25, 2010

I'll be getting all the frame data Cape isn't. For example I only need to do Zelda and ZSS jump permutations and I'll have the SH and FH duration for all characters (along with jump start obv). I've got optimal FF points for about 2/3, complete FF permutations (ie FF frame x in a SH/FDH, land frame y... its a ****ton of tests basically), input maps, quantitative analysis, adv windows... I could go on.

Work is ****** me, hard, no lube, atm. All of my free time right now is spent doing work around the house and collecting frame data, the vast majority of which is vBrawl accurate. I need to talk to you (GIMR), Adumbrodeus, Indigo Jeans, DMG and at some point M2K. This weekend I'm... more free, than I have been this week working the **** 2-10 pm shift. blech

Size of hitboxes is absolutely quantifiable. If your getting images use a small custom-hacked stage (with gridlines) similar to the one shown and the fixed angle camera. Its essential that we have the complete set of hitbubble hacks and that they aren't glitchy. I also strongly recommend to everyone using the non-tripping code anytime you are testing anything, as tripping is basically the stupidest thing ever. With bulk testing you need to use time as efficiently as possible and tripping is both obnoxious and seconds lost. Lets say I'm doing a thousand tests on something. I'm not willing to spend ANY of that absurd amount of time falling on my ***.

Anyone doing frame advance work MUST either speak with me or be aware of the "efficient" methods (setting up input maps, using basic formula, the frame/timer conversion, and concise accurate formatting). For any move there are a few things players should know: hit frames, first actionable frames, landing lag and autocancel points OR lag formula/permutations (as with the nado or PKT2), advantage on block (first hit to FAF or autocancel), specific cancel points, damage, when the move kills and notable combos. All moves should have hitbubble images with standardized sizing as I described.

More in depth data like advantage testing across the cast requires finding tumble % against all characters as well as even with efficient gathering methods, well over a hundred tests. I will need people willing to actually work with me, not even just to help, but so I can train the most talented people here (Cape is probably the only person who doesn't need this and we already work together pretty closely). Rocketpsi and Indigo Jeans take note!

Oh, and seriously if anyone needs any specific bit of frame data ask... I keep a list of requested data (the backlog isn't too too bad, but no 4 hour projects plz). After the SH/FH/FAF/FF testing is done I'm going to finish getting the input maps and frame breakdowns of optimal Quarter circle ledge snaps (ie fact checking DMG). I've been working on the side on my ****-the-pro-ban-"data" project (I think the upper echelons of pro-ban are the only intelligent folk ballzy enough to fight me on data, and data **** is one of my favorite things to do here), ironic since the QC ledge snap data is for the planking project lol (I'll data **** anti-ban when they're wrong, they're just much less wrong than pro-ban). That unfortunately will have to wait till I have a good deal of time on my hands lol...

Also I'm redoing the MK frame data thread. Holy crap this is a long post.

GimR · Jun 25, 2010

Veril said:
I'll be getting all the frame data Cape isn't. For example I only need to do Zelda and ZSS jump permutations and I'll have the SH and FH duration for all characters (along with jump start obv). I've got optimal FF points for about 2/3, complete FF permutations (ie FF frame x in a SH/FDH, land frame y... its a ****ton of tests basically), input maps, quantitative analysis, adv windows... I could go on.

OK I'm trying to understand what you're saying. Are you currently working on frame data on all aerials, short hops, full hops, short hop fast falled, full hop fast falled, jump squat, and the fastest landing frame for all aerials?

Veril said:
I need to talk to you (GIMR), Adumbrodeus, Indigo Jeans, DMG and at some point M2K.

Okay, just give me a date and time and I'll tell you if I'll be available.

BengalsRZ said:
GIMR, you are right in a sense. But if all we have is pictures like that, we can't do hitbox comparisons between various characters. If we get actual numerical values for each hitbox, we can easily compare.

Veril said:
Size of hitboxes is absolutely quantifiable. If your getting images use a small custom-hacked stage (with gridlines) similar to the one shown and the fixed angle camera.

Alright, so do you guys think that people who are collecting data should use the Grid Line Texture and take snap shotd so we can get the correct size of each hit box?

Because of that should we have the people who are capturing Frame Data footage frame by frame use the black back ground and just get frame by frame footage and red hit boxes because the sizes of the hit boxes would have already been documented?

Veril said:
Its essential that we have the complete set of hitbubble hacks and that they aren't glitchy.

Yes, it seems that people have given up on this project. I'm thinking maybe I should contact "Liquid Gen" and try to get him to get it started again so we can have red "see through" hit bubbles for all characters, for all of their moves.(I think Ness is a good example of a character they have already done this for(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eTHzbe-HBY)

Veril said:
I also strongly recommend to everyone using the non-tripping code anytime you are testing anything, as tripping is basically the stupidest thing ever. With bulk testing you need to use time as efficiently as possible and tripping is both obnoxious and seconds lost. Lets say I'm doing a thousand tests on something. I'm not willing to spend ANY of that absurd amount of time falling on my ***.

agreed lol

Veril said:
Anyone doing frame advance work MUST either speak with me or be aware of the "efficient" methods (setting up input maps, using basic formula, the frame/timer conversion, and concise accurate formatting). For any move there are a few things players should know: hit frames, first actionable frames, landing lag and autocancel points OR lag formula/permutations (as with the nado or PKT2), advantage on block (first hit to FAF or autocancel), specific cancel points, damage, when the move kills and notable combos. All moves should have hitbubble images with standardized sizing as I described.

If you want I can edit my "How you can Help" section and add your "timer technique" which you've already written in a previous thread

Veril said:
More in depth data like advantage testing across the cast requires finding tumble % against all characters as well as even with efficient gathering methods, well over a hundred tests. I will need people willing to actually work with me, not even just to help, but so I can train the most talented people here (Cape is probably the only person who doesn't need this and we already work together pretty closely). Rocketpsi and Indigo Jeans take note!

I would volunteer for such a role, but as you can see I already have my hands full. This information would be amazing to have.

Veril said:
Oh, and seriously if anyone needs any specific bit of frame data ask... I keep a list of requested data (the backlog isn't too too bad, but no 4 hour projects plz).

Any way I could get a look at that list? Reason being, if there is confirmed frame data by you, for any character, then I don't want someone else who volunteers to have to re test already found data

Veril said:
Also I'm redoing the MK frame data thread. Holy crap this is a long post.

Alright, well TheCape said he's start working on MK frame data. If you're planning on doing this yourself maybe you should contact TheCape. Please keep me updated on who's doing what so I can update the "Who's Doing What" part of my post

EverAlert · Jun 25, 2010

*Points at OP*

I am (albeit slowly) currently working on gathering frame data for Ice Climbers, so I may as well contribute that information toward the Frame Data/Move Set Analysis sections for ICs. Beyond that I don't want to promise anything at this point, but I'm also perfectly capable of providing AT info.

Veril - You know I do lots of frame advance stuff. I'm very interested in being educated in these "efficient methods" you speak of (if only just to get myself up to speed and make sure I'm not missing anything), PM me or something plx. I'm also willing to help out with the in-depth data testing as it interests me to no end, although I'm kinda wary of committing to too much at once. :/

Edit: lol I forgot to ask, before I waste hours testing, do you have the autocancel info for ICs' aerials?

KayLo! · Jun 25, 2010

Uh, so I guess I should mention here (again? I can't remember which thread I wrote it in) that I'm gathering frame data for Zelda.

The Cape · Jun 25, 2010

e_alert said:
Edit: lol I forgot to ask, before I waste hours testing, do you have the autocancel info for ICs' aerials?

Autocancels:
Nair: 30
Fair: 49
Bair: 19
Uair: 27
Dair: 58

IASAs:
Nair: 46
Fair: 57
Bair: 36
Uair: 30
Dair: 64

Love me

Isatis · Jun 25, 2010

I'll sign up for capturing footage. I've got a Dazzle and I'd like to make some use for it.

GimR · Jun 25, 2010

e_alert said:
*Points at OP*

I am (albeit slowly) currently working on gathering frame data for Ice Climbers, so I may as well contribute that information toward the Frame Data/Move Set Analysis sections for ICs. Beyond that I don't want to promise anything at this point, but I'm also perfectly capable of providing AT info.

Veril - You know I do lots of frame advance stuff. I'm very interested in being educated in these "efficient methods" you speak of (if only just to get myself up to speed and make sure I'm not missing anything), PM me or something plx. I'm also willing to help out with the in-depth data testing as it interests me to no end, although I'm kinda wary of committing to too much at once. :/

Edit: lol I forgot to ask, before I waste hours testing, do you have the autocancel info for ICs' aerials?

KayLo! said:
Uh, so I guess I should mention here (again? I can't remember which thread I wrote it in) that I'm gathering frame data for Zelda.

Bionic Sonic said:
I'll sign up for capturing footage. I've got a Dazzle and I'd like to make some use for it.

Alright I'll put you all down, ^.^

Veril · Jun 25, 2010

http://www.mediafire.com/file/wjgi5wavaqn/vBrawl jump data.xls

This is my work exclusively* and it is 100% accurate.

I'm piecing together my scattered FF data into this, check the second worksheet to see MK's SHFF permutations, I've got those for a few characters but they're a pain to add in so I'm not doing that right this moment... when that's done I'll post an updated version with the SHFF and FHFF points.

I want to put this sort of thing on Google docs.

Complete FAF and Autocancel sheet coming up as soon as I can figure out a few pesky aerials that aren't vBrawl accurate due to speed ups in the aerial in the set I tested with recently (so I can retest those in vBrawl if needed). Either way I have all but maybe 5 FAF's and every autocancel, so that'll go up soon.

*I don't want to make a huge deal of this, but if people share this information and don't explicitly credit myself (and Cape when I post the next excel document) I will be extremely upset. DO NOT GIVE THESE DOCUMENTS OUT WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. kk thanks

<3

GimR · Jun 26, 2010

Veril said:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/wjgi5wavaqn/vBrawl jump data.xls

This is my work exclusively* and it is 100% accurate.

I'm piecing together my scattered FF data into this, check the second worksheet to see MK's SHFF permutations, I've got those for a few characters but they're a pain to add in so I'm not doing that right this moment... when that's done I'll post an updated version with the SHFF and FHFF points.

I want to put this sort of thing on Google docs.

Complete FAF and Autocancel sheet coming up as soon as I can figure out a few pesky aerials that aren't vBrawl accurate due to speed ups in the aerial in the set I tested with recently (so I can retest those in vBrawl if needed). Either way I have all but maybe 5 FAF's and every autocancel, so that'll go up soon.

*I don't want to make a huge deal of this, but if people share this information and don't explicitly credit myself (and Cape when I post the next excel document) I will be extremely upset. DO NOT GIVE THESE DOCUMENTS OUT WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. kk thanks

<3

Good Stuff, don't forget to contact the cape about who's going to do MK frame Data

The Cape · Jun 26, 2010

I'll get it done sometime this weekend. Whenever I sober up.

Veril · Jun 26, 2010

I already have it... Hotgarbage was right on all but a very few points.

GIMR I talk to the Cape like every other day.

GimR · Jun 28, 2010

Veril said:
I already have it... Hotgarbage was right on all but a very few points.

GIMR I talk to the Cape like every other day.

K, good stuff

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