Captain Shades
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The last Smash followed a trend in the form of including characters that were female to the roster, as many complained about the lack of female fighters in prior entries. This Smash seems to be following up on addressing complaints, with them including more villains to the roster as the lack of villains in Smash was a big complaint in Smash 4. This thread will discuss Smash’s villains, mainly the idea that we may get more coming soon, letting everyone on SmashBoards let out their evil side once and for all, as we talk about nothing but villainy. My question to you is where does Smash go from here when it comes to villain representation?
To put things in perspective here’s the villains list for every Smash, before we did into Ultimate
Melee
1) Bowser
2) Ganondorf
3) Mewtwo? (Was a villain in the anime at that time, but is also a normal Pokémon)
Brawl
1) Bowser [Returning]
2) Ganondorf [Returning]
3) Wario? (Was a villain in Super Mario Land 2, but became more of an anti-hero afterwards)
4) King Dedede? (The main antagonist of Kirby, but he did become a hero down the line)
5) Meta Knight? (Another Kirby antagonist that ended up becoming a hero)
6) Wolf? (One of the antagonists of Star Fox, he did help Fox in Assault though, and looked to become a hero)
Wii U and 3DS
1) Bowser [Returning]
2) Bowser Jr. + Koopalings
3) Ganondorf [Returning]
4) King Dedede? [Returning]
5) Meta Knight? [Returning]
6) Wario? [Returning]
7) Mewtwo? [Returning through DLC]
Returning Villains Thoughts (Do They Still Qualify In Ultimate?)
Before we get into the new villains in Ultimate, I want to clean up the villains list, so we have a clear idea of how many returning villains are coming to Ultimate, as many have became Heroes now, so labeling them as villains seems wrong. On the other hand, some have become villains again, getting rid of the question mark by their name.
Bowser & Bowser Jr. - They are both still villains, even more so now a days as Mario RPGs that usually make Bowser help Mario have really gone back to make sure he is the main antagonist by the end. Jr. is no different in that sense, as every appearance has him being a villain with his dad, so these two are staying as villains.
Ganondorf - He’s a villain. There hasn’t been a single appearance of Ganondorf where he is good, unless he is defending women’s rights in RelaxAlax videos. Joking aside Ganondorf is the definition of being a villain, so no changes need to be made to his status.
King Dedede & Meta Knight - They are off the villain list. Neither has done anything antagonistic since Super Star unless they are possessed, and most of the time they help Kirby in modern titles. I find it funny how Sakurai portrayed Meta Knight as evil in the King’s reveal, when he himself made Meta Knight a hero in Brawl’s Subspace mode along with Dedede.
Wario - He is off the villain list. He was only ever evil in one title, and that was Super Mario Land 2. He was an antagonist in the GameCube’s Mario sports titles, but modern titles have him being just another member of the cast or possessed, so I don’t think he qualifies as a villain.
Mewtwo - Another one that’s off the villain list. Mewtwo has been portrayed in mainly good to neutral at worst stances in the anime after his movie. Even Pokken made a separate evil Mewtwo, so Mewtwo could be a good guy. Ultimately, Mewtwo is a Pokémon, so there’s no definitive stance on if it’s evil or not anymore.
Wolf - Back on the villain list. Star Fox Zero rebooted the franchise and made him fully evil again, so there’s no question on his stance anymore.
In total we have 4 Returning villains as of right now, so finally lets discuss Ultimate
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s Villains
Just like Wii U did for female characters, Ultimate seems to be targeting criticisms about the lack of true villains in Smash, as Wii U only really had 3 actual villains in its roster. With that in mind we mine as well look at Ultimate’s villain roster and discuss how it could be expanded
The new villain roster is as follows:
1) Bowser [Returning]
2) Ganondorf [Returning]
3) Wolf [Returning]
4) Bowser Jr. [Returning]
5) Ridley
6) Dark Samus
7) King K. Rool
As you see we have 7 villains right now, but my guess is that this roster will be expanded upon with a few new villains, so here’s my list for potential new villains, but feel free to discuss yours below.
1) Octolings (Splatoon) - A popular set of villains from a new IP, and they function almost identically to the Inklings. The Octolings would make for an easy echo to the Inklings that can increase the villain roster, while adding a new face.
2) Grima (Fire Emblem) - Robin is Grima, so a simple alt with purple smoke emitting from Robin and some darker voice lines could be an easy way to include this giant evil entity from Awakening. Plus Robin’s new final Smash could be summoning Grima in the dragon form.
3) Hades (Kid Icarus) - People love this character, and we know Sakurai loves Kid Icarus. Hades has a very unique personality that would suit him well in Smash and he has many powers to make him unique if they included him. Plus he would be a new face in the villain roster.
4) Pig Ganon (The Legend of Zelda) - All of the main 3 Zelda characters have alternate forms, but Ganon is the only one to not have a secondary form in Smash. If Ganon was to get a secondary form, than his original pig form would make sense and add to the game as it’d have to have an original move set.
5) Demise (The Legend of Zelda) - He’s literally the predecessor to Ganondorf, so he can obviously just be a Ganondorf echo.
6) The Black Knight (Fire Emblem) - For being a big franchise, FE is still yet to get a villain in Smash, but if it did get one, then The Black Knight would be a perfect pick. He is the most well known FE villain, and he even had a Mii Costume in 4, so he may have a chance at being FE’s villain rep.
7) Metal Sonic (Sonic The Hedgehog) - While Shadow may be the popular echo pick, we can’t forget about Metal, who has more history and can be a Sonic villain and echo. I remember a leak that detailed Metal Sonic as a Sonic alt in the 4 days, so hey, anything could happen.
8) Porky (EarthBound/Mother) - The main antagonist of two titles, Porky definitely has a history of being a villain, so maybe he can make it as the Mother villain, especially if he can use the vehicle that was already in Brawl.
9) Black Shadow (F-Zero) - Give him Ganondorf’s old move set, then bam, you got yourself a cool new villain to play as as well as a second F-Zero rep.
Well, that concludes this thread, I’d love to see some new villain ideas below. I believe we will be seeing more villains in Ultimate, but who is the question, so leave your thoughts below, on potential new villains or if we’ll even see more at all.
To put things in perspective here’s the villains list for every Smash, before we did into Ultimate
Melee
1) Bowser
2) Ganondorf
3) Mewtwo? (Was a villain in the anime at that time, but is also a normal Pokémon)
Brawl
1) Bowser [Returning]
2) Ganondorf [Returning]
3) Wario? (Was a villain in Super Mario Land 2, but became more of an anti-hero afterwards)
4) King Dedede? (The main antagonist of Kirby, but he did become a hero down the line)
5) Meta Knight? (Another Kirby antagonist that ended up becoming a hero)
6) Wolf? (One of the antagonists of Star Fox, he did help Fox in Assault though, and looked to become a hero)
Wii U and 3DS
1) Bowser [Returning]
2) Bowser Jr. + Koopalings
3) Ganondorf [Returning]
4) King Dedede? [Returning]
5) Meta Knight? [Returning]
6) Wario? [Returning]
7) Mewtwo? [Returning through DLC]
Returning Villains Thoughts (Do They Still Qualify In Ultimate?)
Before we get into the new villains in Ultimate, I want to clean up the villains list, so we have a clear idea of how many returning villains are coming to Ultimate, as many have became Heroes now, so labeling them as villains seems wrong. On the other hand, some have become villains again, getting rid of the question mark by their name.
Bowser & Bowser Jr. - They are both still villains, even more so now a days as Mario RPGs that usually make Bowser help Mario have really gone back to make sure he is the main antagonist by the end. Jr. is no different in that sense, as every appearance has him being a villain with his dad, so these two are staying as villains.
Ganondorf - He’s a villain. There hasn’t been a single appearance of Ganondorf where he is good, unless he is defending women’s rights in RelaxAlax videos. Joking aside Ganondorf is the definition of being a villain, so no changes need to be made to his status.
King Dedede & Meta Knight - They are off the villain list. Neither has done anything antagonistic since Super Star unless they are possessed, and most of the time they help Kirby in modern titles. I find it funny how Sakurai portrayed Meta Knight as evil in the King’s reveal, when he himself made Meta Knight a hero in Brawl’s Subspace mode along with Dedede.
Wario - He is off the villain list. He was only ever evil in one title, and that was Super Mario Land 2. He was an antagonist in the GameCube’s Mario sports titles, but modern titles have him being just another member of the cast or possessed, so I don’t think he qualifies as a villain.
Mewtwo - Another one that’s off the villain list. Mewtwo has been portrayed in mainly good to neutral at worst stances in the anime after his movie. Even Pokken made a separate evil Mewtwo, so Mewtwo could be a good guy. Ultimately, Mewtwo is a Pokémon, so there’s no definitive stance on if it’s evil or not anymore.
Wolf - Back on the villain list. Star Fox Zero rebooted the franchise and made him fully evil again, so there’s no question on his stance anymore.
In total we have 4 Returning villains as of right now, so finally lets discuss Ultimate
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s Villains
Just like Wii U did for female characters, Ultimate seems to be targeting criticisms about the lack of true villains in Smash, as Wii U only really had 3 actual villains in its roster. With that in mind we mine as well look at Ultimate’s villain roster and discuss how it could be expanded
The new villain roster is as follows:
1) Bowser [Returning]
2) Ganondorf [Returning]
3) Wolf [Returning]
4) Bowser Jr. [Returning]
5) Ridley
6) Dark Samus
7) King K. Rool
As you see we have 7 villains right now, but my guess is that this roster will be expanded upon with a few new villains, so here’s my list for potential new villains, but feel free to discuss yours below.
1) Octolings (Splatoon) - A popular set of villains from a new IP, and they function almost identically to the Inklings. The Octolings would make for an easy echo to the Inklings that can increase the villain roster, while adding a new face.
2) Grima (Fire Emblem) - Robin is Grima, so a simple alt with purple smoke emitting from Robin and some darker voice lines could be an easy way to include this giant evil entity from Awakening. Plus Robin’s new final Smash could be summoning Grima in the dragon form.
3) Hades (Kid Icarus) - People love this character, and we know Sakurai loves Kid Icarus. Hades has a very unique personality that would suit him well in Smash and he has many powers to make him unique if they included him. Plus he would be a new face in the villain roster.
4) Pig Ganon (The Legend of Zelda) - All of the main 3 Zelda characters have alternate forms, but Ganon is the only one to not have a secondary form in Smash. If Ganon was to get a secondary form, than his original pig form would make sense and add to the game as it’d have to have an original move set.
5) Demise (The Legend of Zelda) - He’s literally the predecessor to Ganondorf, so he can obviously just be a Ganondorf echo.
6) The Black Knight (Fire Emblem) - For being a big franchise, FE is still yet to get a villain in Smash, but if it did get one, then The Black Knight would be a perfect pick. He is the most well known FE villain, and he even had a Mii Costume in 4, so he may have a chance at being FE’s villain rep.
7) Metal Sonic (Sonic The Hedgehog) - While Shadow may be the popular echo pick, we can’t forget about Metal, who has more history and can be a Sonic villain and echo. I remember a leak that detailed Metal Sonic as a Sonic alt in the 4 days, so hey, anything could happen.
8) Porky (EarthBound/Mother) - The main antagonist of two titles, Porky definitely has a history of being a villain, so maybe he can make it as the Mother villain, especially if he can use the vehicle that was already in Brawl.
9) Black Shadow (F-Zero) - Give him Ganondorf’s old move set, then bam, you got yourself a cool new villain to play as as well as a second F-Zero rep.
Well, that concludes this thread, I’d love to see some new villain ideas below. I believe we will be seeing more villains in Ultimate, but who is the question, so leave your thoughts below, on potential new villains or if we’ll even see more at all.