The Smash Affiliates - Making appearances here and there since 2006

[Emblem Lord]

Read above post, lol.

 

[Velocity]

Read above post, lol.

lol ****it i wrote that b4 u posted but i went and did stuff

 

[Keitaro]

I was feeling horribly sick yesterday that I cancelled myself going to KOTC but now I'm feeling a good amount better. I may come by for a while. If I do, I'll see if Spam wants to come. He's with Tec0 so he'll probably come too.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Uhhh, come at 2 pm people.

 

[Sensei]

ok so i think im going to come EL do i need to bring stuff a smash copy maybe

edit: i didnt see that last post

Bring a copy of the CD!!

 

[Velocity]

ill bring the cd and if u have a blank and a way to copy it u can i still dont have ne blanks

 

[Keitaro]

I'll bring a set up with a TV. I'm coming with Eazy. I think Spam's going with Doyoung but what about Tec0? Ain't he still at RU? Respond to my **** text Spam!!!

Edit: Nevermind, Spam just texted me. I copied down his number wrong.

 

[Cia]

eggm - I wasn't informed of any smashfest. even if I was, I'm at work, I couldn't go anyway

 

[R3N0]

backslash wrists...,

 

[crismas]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/ganadosforbreakfast/lolsmash.jpg

the guy on the left doesnt look like m2k but I'm pretty sure that's his mind...and the one on the right is DEFINATELY sensei...I mean it looks like him...thinks about Falcon lololol

X3

btw I did not draw that masterpiece.

 

[Beat]

I had fun today, guys. Thanks to everyone I played with or talked to, good stuff blahblahblah... Go to my art thread and love me.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=123756

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

Still here, actually.

Crismas, we can't see images linked directly to that site. Can ya save it to an image upload site?

 

[crismas]

You're still at EL's house?

Changed the link :D

 

[teh_spamerer]

Sensei, you play Pichu? WE MUST PICHU DITTO NEXT TIME WE MEET!

 

[Emblem Lord]

lolz.

Anwya guys good training session.

Since this was the prototype of my traininng regiment if was rather informal.

Mostly in part due to the fact that only about half of you were interested, which I find puzzling since alot of you liked the ideas originally, but didn't heed my words about what we should be working when we were actually playing.

People if you want this to work then we have to all do our part.

I have talked to other smashers and they all agree that they either do similar things that I suggested or they do the same things themselves.

Think about it. In sports practice, do they just go and play around without focus or purpose?

NO! There is a method to thier training. Drills, practice games, going over plays, going over past games, researching other players and other teams asessing their weaknesses.

Strength is no accident.

It is the result of hard work, dedication and solid training. Now I have the traing part already devised, all TSA needs now is the dedication of it's members.

We have practice rules that act as our drills. We can do strat sessions that allow us to practice very specific aspects of certain match-ups and figure out their minute details, which acts as going over plays in sports. We will have small 1 dollar tournies AT EVERY MEETING WHENEVER TIME ALLOWS US, to keep our competitive spirt string and put our training to the test, while at the same time keeping our skills sharp. These will act as our practice games.

I encourage you to record vids of yourself and assess your weaknesses and compare yourself to the pros.

Not only that, but critique the pros as well. Ask yourself what they did wrong or right. What could have been done better? Did they do anything that you hadn't seen before or though of and you would like to practice? GREAT!! Now you have something to practice at our next strat session.

I didn't pull this **** outta my *** people. I wasn't joking when I said I know how to train. These excercises will focus on the individual aspects of our game, allowing us to stregthen them and enhance our overall gameplay.

 

[Sneak8288]

y didnt u think of this b4 brawl wus like 3 months away lol.... my bad i couldnt make it... i didnt check smashboards unitl like 5 and it wus too late for me to leave from school but i'll definitely try to make it to the next one... and can u guys kinda lemme kno wen its gonna b and not post were havin a meetin the night b4 lol

 

[Sensei]

crismas, that drawing is amazing. that is totally what goes through my mind when i play.

 

[Alejandro_P]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3305793#post3305793

i pwn

 

[Emblem Lord]

Actually, I have been thinking about if for months, but decided to put it into action only recently.

*shrugs

 

[Cort]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/ganadosforbreakfast/lolsmash.jpg

the guy on the left doesnt look like m2k but I'm pretty sure that's his mind...and the one on the right is DEFINATELY sensei...I mean it looks like him...thinks about Falcon lololol

X3

btw I did not draw that masterpiece.

Greatest picture ever

did you draw this masterpiece, crismas?

 

[crismas]

Naww I wish I drew it!

 

[Beat]

In regard to EL's training regimen... Okay, I went and admittedly I'm probably the most childish/******** member of the crew, but when I got Eazy to go Falco against me for a while (I have problems with the Samus/Falco matchups on big stages where he can run away from me and keep me pinned with spamming), I actually noticed new ways of approaching effectively with minimal laserape.

In short, I really like the idea.

 

[Teczer0]

EL - i had fun for the short time i was there (cuz i had to leave early T_T)

I would love to be a part of it again if i am allowed to be .

I had mad fun i was basically destroying mog for the day jk but i was playin mog alot lol anyway i regret not playing sensei cuz our fake rivalry is amazing >_>.

I regret not being to play everyone. Spamerer good stuff at RU that was by far the longest time i ever played smash straight lol.

If you guys want to fight an extra sheik for your training let me know you know sensei is only one person .

 

[Emblem Lord]

Another reason why this training is so good, is becasue it creates the proper environment. It allows a player to completely concentrate on getting better instead of being distracted by the desire to win.

Yes, the desire to win is a distraction from training. That desire leads many people to think that experimentation and practicing during friendlies = sandbagging. This is just ignorant and wrong, but it's how alot of the community thinks.

So, with this stigma attached to the idea of using friendlies for training, you have many players thinking that just playing a buttload of people all the time will make you better. Well, yeah it will, but actively training will get you MUCH better, MUCH MUCH faster.

Plus sandbagging =/= experimentation/practicing in friendlies anyway, and that is what I'm trying to get you guys to understand.

Don't just come to the meeting and be like, " Screw the rules, I have friendlies to play!"

Sorry, but you only hurt your growth by doing this. Play with the intent to get better, not the intent to win when you train and your mind will open to more possiblities and more ways to play the game with new strats/techniques.

If all you want to do is win, you will probably just stick to what you know and get frustrated if you lose and just want to stop playing altogether for the rest of the meeting which happens all the time when people play friendlies.

Burn this into your minds

"VICTORY MEANS NOTHING!! THE FIGHT IS EVERYTHING!!!" - Ryu, Street Fighter 2

Unless you are in a tournament match, or you're recording vids, play with the intent to improve, not the intent to win.

 

[Keitaro]

"VICTORY MEANS NOTHING!! THE FIGHT IS EVERYTHING!!!" - Ryu, Street Fighter 2

Wtf, lol!

Your cursing cracks me up, and you say your seriously angry when you do that, lol!

It was fun for the short time I was there. Was supposed to see my girl for a second, instead ended up studying/eating with her till 10 pm . There was a crapload of people there, alot more than I expected and I heard more came afterwards. Wish I stayed

You definitely gotta do this again EL. That training regime wasn't really followed but I think if we also had a free training regime tourney session that people would abide. The all secondary characters and counterpick stages idea was nice.....if you were serious.

Whatever TSA is amazing......ly big, lol! And we're also amazing :D

@Raptorhawk: I saw you in the corner of my eye when I was in a rush to leave. GRRRR!!! Next time we'll play.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Like I said it's on you guys.

Put it to you this way.

I have every intention of follwing my regime when I play. But I'll do this several more times and then see if you guys are serious.

If I see that you guys don't care then **** it.

I'll do what I need to do to get better, and you guys can do whatever the hell you want to do.

But that's a decision I'll make down the road. About 2 months from now I suppose.

 

[Eazy23]

Thanks for allowing me to come and train with you guys Tsa. It was too fun, and def helped my game. It woud be greatly appreciated if I could come to another one

 

[Beat]

Thanks for allowing me to come and train with you guys Tsa. It was too fun, and def helped my game. It woud be greatly appreciated if I could come to another one

YOU! You're fun to play against. Come to the Jersey tournament on the 24th, it's in my post history somewhere!

 

[Starzonedge]

I'll be sure to be there earlier next time. Thanks for having TSA NY there, Emblem Lord. It was nice meeting more members of TSA as well. And Sensei, your Spanish is JAWSOME.

 

[Sneak8288]

el have somethin over thanksgivin break next week so i can come to it

 

[mog87]

umm yea what he said...gotta get some guilty gear up there next time.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Unfortunately I have work over Thanksgiving weekend, but you guys can still use my mom's place.

I know she won't mind.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Another reason why this training is so good, is becasue it creates the proper environment. It allows a player to completely concentrate on getting better instead of being distracted by the desire to win.

While I like a lot of your training ideas, let me outline what happened yesterday with each.

Move Lock - Don't remember doing it, but with Falco the only move I could see myself playing without is fair. I heavily rely on all of his other moves, playing without them seems to be counterintuitive especially since some moves literally have no replacement in a certain situation.

Forced Disadvantage - Only 1 Falco player there that wasn't me, which meant that literally everyone else wanted to play Eggm. That made it difficult to practice fighting against Falco. I guess 2 if you count Sensei, but we were playing Falcon dittos instead because Falcon is the best character in the game .

Practice characters - The only characters I never practice with are Young Link, Ganondorf, Yoshi, Ness, Zelda, G&W, Ice Climbers, and Mario. I play with all the other characters but I simply have no desire to get them all to the level of my mains, primarily because I can't think of a situation where I'd rather use, Doctor Mario for example, than one of my better characters unless the other player is bad vs Doc.

Secondaries only - You don't need to set aside separate time for this imo. I usually play with my secondaries but when my Falco is getting shieldgrabbed 90% of the time after a dair I feel like I'd rather work on getting warmed up with him than play Jigglypuff.

Counterpick stages only - Led to mog quitting matches because Sheik loses on the majority of non neutral stages badly to Fox and he was getting bad stage after bad stage for Sheik.

Tourney rules - You refused to do it.

Recording matches - We only had 1 recording setup and the tape ran out.

Don't just come to the meeting and be like, " Screw the rules, I have friendlies to play!"

Sometimes I do just want to play normal matches. And I also tried to play people who I didn't get the opportunity to that often, like Sensei, Raptorhawk, and Eggm. Playing them without having rules like "practice characters" imo, is more effective at times.

 

[Emblem Lord]

You love being difficult don't you?

Well, alot of people don't play with thier secondaries often and this training is meant to give us balanced practice.

About the move lock. You are supposed to be at a disadvantage. You are supposed to get your *** handed to you. That's the ****ing point. To be backed against a corner and have to really think about what you are going to do.

As for mog...controlling your frustration is a part of training no? Also what happened to him has less bearing on me simply because he is not a part of my crew.

Also Shiek has alot of good counter pick stages too. You can't use one person's experience as a valid reason for...wait wtf are you trying to do exactly?

Give a meaningless recap of stuff I already know?

Look, Kashif seriously, I refuse to be your new Inui who you like to get into it with on the internet every 5 seconds.

I will not sink that low.

Anyway, like I said it will be more organized next time.

I'll have a written schedule for time slots, plus it was more last minute so we only had one VCR. Hopefully more people will bring VCR's. I only have one so I can only do so much in that departement.

I will also set aside a time slot for free play. That is, during that time you can play however you feel.

Actually Kashif even though you annoy the living hell outta me on the boards you gave me an idea.

My TSA brethren, please post what you think can make our training sessions run smoother and more effecient.

EDIT: Ahh, why not? I'll drop the move lock from the training regime. I think it's good, but it isn't TOTALLY neccessary to use it to think outside the box. Plus Eggm brought up a good point on AIM. When you move lock you spend some of your concentration on trying to make sure you don't use that move.

 

[Inui]

You love being difficult don't you?

Look, Kashif seriously, I refuse to be your new Inui who you like to get into it with on the internet every 5 seconds.

Yes, he does. Welcome to my friendship with him!

lol!

 

[Sneak8288]

i think your initial ideas are good el. over all i think everything would work even tho ppl might not like it. for example the counterpick stage thing i know for a fact that works bcuz stages harldy have an effect on me the way they used to and im able to use a gay stage to my advantage. so just hear el out i think he knows wut hes doin. and spam your always tryin to find a flaw in somethin or act like somethin isnt good bcuz u dont like it

 

[teh_spamerer]

You love being difficult honest don't you?

QFT.

Well, alot of people don't play with thier secondaries often and this training is meant to give us balanced practice.

If everyone is using their secondaries, how are they supposed to practice vs other people's mains? Suppose I want to fight Eggm's Falco with Jigglypuff. If we're doing "secondaries only" then Eggm can't use Falco according to your rules. Bad idea. People should just work on matchups with secondaries that they want to work on instead of forcing everyone to work on secondaries vs secondaries.

About the move lock. You are supposed to be at a disadvantage. You are supposed to get your *** handed to you. That's the ****ing point. To be backed against a corner and have to really think about what you are going to do.

GJ not addressing the point Marcel, which was that some moves have no replacement in a certain situation. If I don't use an aeriel, that means my combos are going to be worse and that my pressure is going to be worse with Falco. If I don't use fsmash or dsmash it means some of my combos are going to end with my opponent not dying. If I don't use upsmash my combos are gonna be worse and I can't trick my opponent into DIing up and then getting killed by a double jump up air at high %. If I don't use utilt my combos are going to be worse and I'd be forced to rely on fsmashing a space animal using side b every time at low % when I'd rather utilt to combo into spike or fsmash. If I don't dtilt then I can't do certain situational combos or finish off floaties who I expect to roll. If I don't ftilt I can't space it vs someone at the ledge who is going to have a hard time dealing with perfectly spaced ftilt.

Not to mention that if you move lock Marth's fsmash and I move lock Falco's bair, then I'm not going to get good practice and neither are you because fighting Marth that never fsmashes is hardly going to be good practice and same if I never use bair.

As for mog...controlling your frustration is a part of training no? Also what happened to him has less bearing on him simply because he is not a part of my our crew.

About frustration - not really, he just had to switch off Sheik to a Space Animal because playing someone better than you in a bad matchup on a bad stage for the matchup is just not a good idea. For instance, I'd get better faster vs M2K if I fought him using something that isn't Marth on FD with a Space Animal or if I fought him using Marth on a different stage. Why? Because if M2K grabs me I lose a stock, if M2K counters me I lose a stock after he grabs me right after, if M2K hits me off the stage I lose a stock. I'm going to lose vs him anyways but that doesn't change the fact that fighting his Marth on FD with a Space Animal isn't going to help me improve as much as other things.

Also Shiek has alot of good counter pick stages too. Yopu can't use one person's experience as a valid reason for...wait wtf are you trying to do exactly?

we were playing those stages on random, just like you wanted us to . Corneria, then Poke Floats, then Mute City, and then Green Greens . How many of the counterpick stages are actually GOOD for Sheik vs spacies? Barely any.

Give a meaningless recap of stuff I already know?

It was hardly a meaningless recap. I was pointing out flaws with the training. Because if we want to record matches, one recording setup is not enough when there was like 15+ ppl there and you tell me "NO!" when you ask for what training program to do for the next hour when I suggest "tourney sets" then there is a problem as you aren't doing everything in the training.

Look, Kashif seriously, I refuse to be your new Inui who you like to get into it with on the internet every 5 seconds.

I will not sink that low.

**** YOU MARCEL! How DARE YOU!? I'm going all Pichu vs you next time we play now so that I can use one of my "practice characters" because I want to

Practice strats. Use this time to get comfortable with that character.

 

[Inui]

How many of the counterpick stages are actually GOOD for Sheik vs spacies? Barely any.

Brinstar.
Jungle Japes.
Mute City is bad for both of them, but I think it leans Sheik.

 

[Emblem Lord]

hahah.

Well, you had good points , but alot of it was just you being picky.

But all of it is moot.

Know why?

This was the prototype. I haven't perfected how exactly I want this to be run, so of course there will be flaws.

And I already said the move lock is out.

GG Kashif.

Also you are mssing the point entirely about counter pick stages.

And about the secondaries thing. I realized the flaw before you did.

That's why I will have everyone alternate. One match one player uses their secondary and picks the stage and picks what character that thier oppponent will use out of the characters that they main and use as secondaries.

See?

Trial and Error.

You sunuva*****.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Brinstar.
Jungle Japes.
Mute City is bad for both of them, but I think it leans Sheik.

Spacies can outcamp her on Japes.

Mute City is much worse for Sheik. Using up b = free kill. When the stage is moving, Fox can waveshine her off the stage into another shine, which only works on neutral stages if Sheik doesn't hold toward the stage. At least Fox can shine in the air to stall and then maybe side b right before the stage goes down.

And all the other non neutrals are pretty much **** advantage for spacies.

Also you are mssing the point entirely about counter pick stages.

Boooooo, no I didn't .

And about the secondaries thing. I realzied the falw before you did.

That's why I will have everyone alternate. One match one player uses their secondary and picks the stage and picks what character that thier oppponent will use out of the characters that they main and use as secondaries.

See?

Trial and Error.

You sunuva*****.

Well you didn't mention that, don't blame me for pointing it out.

HAHAHHAHA I just looked at the banned stages list for smashacre: Hyrule Temple, Fourside, Flatzone, Brinstar Depths, Icicle Mountain, Big Blue, Termina Bay and Yoshi's Island 64. Hey WoZ...what about Venom?