On the contrary, Mario has plenty of problems landing the kill. Sure he has good ko options and he's excellent at gimping, but at the same time any character with a lot of range makes it extremely difficult for him to get inside.
Getting inside is difficult vs characters like Marth and MK, ur right. Even then, his OOS Usmash deals with them pretty nicely when they're within KO % as long as it's kept fresh. That, and the fact that a stutterstepped Fsmash contests with practically everyone's range but Ike's makes landing these easy.
I've seen it. I've done it. It's not hard.
I think you guys are thinking about Mario vs. Peach rather than Mario/Peach vs. any on the cast.
You mean the high tiers? Everyone sucks compared to them. My original purpose for arguing was Barge's reasons for Mario being lower than Peach (Bad priority and matchups and whatnot) when it's really only tourney results, representation, and D3. We don't even know if Peach wins over Mario in terms of matchups until the discussions are done. Hell...the Mario and D3 boards haven't even discussed the matchup.
Fsmash really doesn't have "too much range" its a pretty average range Fsmash, and yeah, it doesn't need to sweetspot to kill, but it sure needs to sweetspot to kill at a decent percent.
Okay, so let's keep track. Slow, "average" range, and hard to kill with because of sweetspot issues that seemed to sprout from no where. Oh yeah, and the Stutter step only increases the range by a "tiny" bit.
MK has a better air game than EVERYONE.....im just saying mario might have some quick arials and can juggle with them at low percents, but peach's air game is by FAR more effective against the majority of the cast, at least she can approach with her arials without much fear of being punished, try that with mario and you will get shield grabbed nearly every time.
Isn't Peach vulnerable to OOS options as well? Don't make it like she's got some Godly aerials all of a sudden to help your argument.
see the difference, peach is autocancelled, so she can do whatever she wants after falling, but marios are just low lag and he doesn't have nearly as many options out of his fast falled arials as peach does.
Mario can autocancel as well if needed. Even then, Mario's aerials are faster than Peach's. You're arguing the wrong area. She's wins in range and priority, not speed.
And what're these "options" that Mario doesn't have? What can't you do from the neutral position after a fastfalled aerial?
knowing how to properly use it doesn't mean its some gamebreaking tech, its ok but it doesn't make up for the rest of marios subpar game.
lol, k. You seen that explanation on why MK > G&W in their matchup? Most of it was based off of MK's upB OOS. Having good OOS options on a game where camping and spamming is rewarded IS a game-changer.
and yes....it is slow, we are playing the same game.
Lmao, there's no arguing with you. How often do you even use Mario? Why do you even main this guy? He can't kill or approach.
and don't even get me started on comparing recoveries...... peach can only be effectively gimped by metaknight....mario by everyone.
Lol, now his recovery sucks. Mario's less vulnerable offstage than Peach, she can just recover from further away. Her vertical recovery is also much shorter and her recovery overall is slower.
I agree that hers is overall better, but not that huge a difference.
Lol peach is so much better than mario. *Doesnt feel like adding facts, because its so true*
(has played edrees and bone)
Lol, invalid. Doesn't matter if you've played one side and haven't played the other. That's like seeing the Democratic convention and automatically thinking you know who's better before even seeing what the other side can do.
Play a Mario pro first. And I mean a good one, like Fear, TC1, or Boss. It can even be online, all you need to see is what he's capable of when played at high level.
no more invincibility))
