The Official APEX 2012 Results Thread! ALL RESULTS UP. International takes it all!

[peyudosmith]

You guys are nuts. Grand Finals was clearly Armada's fault. Hungrybox was approaching the whole time; it's just hard to get through the wave of projectiles coming against you. Armada was the one who ran away the whole match.

Also: Give Javi money. ^_^

you gotta be kidding mate

the game was TIMED OUT like 3 or 4 times. so you're telling me that a guy which character has NO PROJECTILES can't play aggressively and find decent openings in an 8-MINUTE MATCH?

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/dog_laughing.jpg

hbox is mad gay that's the issue. + he lost. + he won't train a secondary after losing for the 3rd time against Young Link in a ****ing row. USA better get your hopes in another player to beat Armada.

 

[CT Chia]

Caan't wait to post tons of stuff but I'm stuck at the doctors now, and a specialist appointment tomorrow for what happened to my arm over the weekend, and if it doesn't get better asap I'm considering going to the hospital.

 

[Alphicans]

Sooooo I heard Ocean vs M2K was kind of a big deal.

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Will have way, way more photos up over the next couple days, too ... keep an eye out here. Big thanks to Brandon for having me there to photograph the event, and shoutout to all the Apex staff and the Smash community. I'm more of a Street Fighter guy, so this was my first time at a Smash event ... but you guys know how to put on a show.

Omg this picture. Rain looks sooooo hyped, and Ally's face is priceless.

 

[Krystedez]

You guys are nuts. Grand Finals was clearly Armada's fault. Hungrybox was approaching the whole time; it's just hard to get through the wave of projectiles coming against you. Armada was the one who ran away the whole match.

Also: Give Javi money. ^_^

Are you... nuts?

I watched... As soon as Armada had a lead, Hb would be trying to get in as soon as possible. Which nearly always happened. Except that Armada has a godly projectile game. Fighting with projectiles is STILL fighting, and he has the capacity to do that and stall for time if he WANTED.

While Hb is using a clearly limited character in terms of stalling, he still was not doing ANYTHING to approach when he was EVER in the lead. It was simply dodging projectiles, because that's all Hb is decent at in the matchup. He can't get a single rest on the guy, ffs.

It's not Armada's fault that Hb can't do anything so has to resort to poke damage and run away from projectiles. If he had any idea he'd either switch characters or FIND a spot TO get in, which he DID several times, he just refuses to do so when he's in the lead, like a certain masked puff ball of likened traits...

 

[TeeVee]

winners finals for brawl doubles - mk mk vs mk mk
grand finals for brawl doubles - mk mk vs mk mk
winners semis brawl singles side 1 - mk vs mk
winners semis brawl singles side 2 - mk vs mk
winners finals for brawl singles - mk vs mk


yea...the japanese sure confirmed he shouldnt be banned alright.


also does anyone have a time count on how long melee gfs took, it HAD to be somewhere around 2 hours


fun tourny though, good **** to nairo

 

[Solid Jake]

Was great seeing everyone this weekend! Grats to the winners, and .. only top 3 payout o__O

 

[mikeray4]

winners finals for brawl doubles - mk mk vs mk mk
grand finals for brawl doubles - mk mk vs mk mk
winners semis brawl singles side 1 - mk vs mk
winners semis brawl singles side 2 - mk vs mk
winners finals for brawl singles - mk vs mk


yea...the japanese sure confirmed he shouldnt be banned alright.


also does anyone have a time count on how long melee gfs took, it HAD to be somewhere around 2 hours


fun tourny though, good **** to nairo

Metaknight to good. Melee is campier than brawl

 

[Degree]

GF wasn't that boring to be honest. You have to learn to adapt, and Hbox somehow managed to do that in games 3-5, he did outplay Armada. But then when it got to that final set he went back to his P5/G2 method of play and took tons of damage. People often change characters or strategies when they get beaten, Hbox has had 3 attempts at Armada's YL now and hasn't beaten it, why does Armada need to change his playing style? If you think he's gonna try a very risky Peach/Puff match (which he's losing massively on when it comes to the top players) instead of a significantly better YL/Puff record when there's that amount of money on the line then you're clearly crazy. Also, he's the one playing in Grand Finals, not us. If you hate it so much, get better and beat him. YL is low on the tier list, should be easy to beat right guys?

Mango just didn't look on form yesterday. It looked like he was trying to show off a bit to the crowd too, but he definitely wasn't at his peak. (Everyone has off days) Mango knows how to beat Hbox but somehow just couldn't do it yesterday.

I think Javi just suffered from unfamiliarity syndrome. Everyone knows what to expect from Fox/Falco/Marth/etc, even if you can't beat them you know what's coming because they're played the world over. Hbox's style of Puff is fairly unique. I'm pretty sure Javi won a ton of fans with the way he played, he clearly has an incredibly technical Fox and it tore through Losers like they didn't exist.

I hope there was some good stuff recorded from the non-stream matches.

 

[M@v]

Omg this picture. Rain looks sooooo hyped, and Ally's face is priceless.

I recorded this moment in a small video on my phone. It was soooooo loooouuuudddd.

I was right next to this camera guy so its the same angle.

 

[Juushichi]

Uh Krys, you don't usually rest YL in that MU. If you miss, you die, lol.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Uh Krys, you don't usually rest YL in that MU. If you miss, you die, lol.

From...what?

 

[D.A. RAFA]

from nothing Reflex...he's trolling.

 

[Juushichi]

bomb dair, obviously.

DL you might not die from it (first time), but on just about every other legal stage you probably will.

 

[shadrach kabango]

Hack 5th place in pools? Europe got *****

Johnny losing to Jpeg and SmashMac? I assumed only Top 2 made it out of Pool R1. That's how it should be imo.

Washington got kinda bodied. C!Z, Vish, Bladewise eh in Pools R1. SW 0-2 v Darc. Eggz 0-2 in bracket. Toph, Vish not making bracket (although no shame in losing to Stric. Dunno who Vish lost to cuz R2 pools aren't all up).

lol @ stabbed's campy *** Falco getting 2nd seed in Pools R2. I fear stuff like that hurts you in the long run cuz it reinforces that campy = good and helps ensure you stay good, but never become great.

Who is Abate and why did you lose to him Weston Dennis? He lost to HBK and Ravenlord in R2. Step it up Wes!

rofl @ silentswag getting 0-2'd by everyone in Pools R2.

daaang, Vanz 2-0 Weon-x. gj Sung taking a game off of him!

Pools R2 14-29 are not showing up.

Darc had a impressive showing.

Too bad SW/Bladewise and S2J/Wes had to take each other out.

Unlucky brackets: SW, S2J, Wobbles, StriCNYN3, Unknown522, Zhu, Chillindude829, PC Chris, Jman, Javi, Bladewise

Lucky brackets: Tope, DaShizWiz, Ice (cept for Mango), KirbyKaze (cept for HBox), Hax (cept for Jman)

Thanks for the awesome quality stream and the timely video uploads. Great stuff Apex staff, even if Marvel/Street Fighter on stream was lame.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Again, props to Hbox as a player and I think he should look at this as a learning experience. Armada took the effort to pick up a niche matchup against Hbox, now box needs to do the same if he doesn't want to see the same results he has been. There are plenty of choices against YL, but the risk of the double blind pick makes that a little trickier with the possibility of Peach game 1.

 

[Marc]

It was a shame that the first two days of streaming didn't contain any big matches, but at least on Sunday we got a good show. I did feel a little cheated when they suddenly moved MvC3 forward, but other than that every problem there was really comes down to the schedule for the smash games not working out at all. That's not something to blame other fighting game communities for, they kept their end of the deal and got the stream time they were supposed to get from the start. I'm disappointed with USA vs The World not happening in Brawl though (at least, I didn't hear anything about it?), considering this was the one time we had a good shot at taking that.

I'm happy Armada won Melee singles again, though I'm disappointed with how the other Europeans did. While I thought grand finals were pretty boring, people need to stop hating on Hungrybox so much. Jigglypuff isn't fun to look at in both singles and teams, but Hbox is a perfectly legitimate player who got big wins to get where he is. The one thing you could hold against him is that he's lost to a low tier character three times now without major changes in game plan or character (pretty sure YL loses to most top tiers), but everything else is on the game and not the player.

The biggest hype probably came from the Japanese grand finals in Brawl. Nietono was definitely my favourite for first, but I didn't expect so many upsets to happen. Both Ramin and Orion ended up losing to Japanese players after taking out some big American names, so I'm fairly satisfied with their representation. After seeing this I hope the Unity MK ban will be reconsidered for singles, considering the one time foreigners came over and MK wasn't given two auto-win CPs, there's a lot more diversity in bracket placings. The Japanese also said they would be less inclined to come over if it were to happen, making it a disservice to all. You could maybe consider it for doubles, or have a limit of one MK per team, but that's a completely different side event Japan's best team didn't even have to come over for and is kind of whatever to the main discussion.

Remember, the ban isn't permanent. If there's reason to unban him later, or if players vote for his unbanning at a later time (you'd need 2/3 votes now though), he will be unbanned.

That's a rather hollow statement unless you know of some sort of contingency plan. The same way people couldn't agree on a ban, they probably won't agree to an unbanning (how are you even going to collect data on something that is banned?). What it comes down to is the URC either reconsidering their ways or people not going along with it, because as it stands I think the people in charge are very much sold on it being forever for America only.

MK is tough to beat using any character but MK, he's got a great MU spread that's to die for. Why should I practice Marth or Diddy or Snake if MK does it better? Most people who play against MK using their mains and lose think about using MK against their opponent's MK. Easiest way to take care of things, you instantly have an even MU. I personally think the root of the problem is all the data gathered (anti-ban forces pro-ban to dig data up from everywhere, pro-ban comes back with loadw of data that shows MK is the best character in the game, people see how MK wins a lot of the money and choose to use him to try and make money), but whatever it is, MK IS a clutch for people to use when their tourney placings seem threatened by anything.

Also, planking's gay to play against.

Why do people play any character but the best in any fighting game? There's always a best character people will flock to, but it doesn't make it the only viable one, the best option at all times or a character that fits everyone's playing style. Melee was won by a Peach for the second time now despite the oceans of space animal mains, it's really a matter of mentality. I also don't really see how it's a clutch (at least in singles), considering the people who place in money have all mained the character for a long time and several don't even solo main him despite his amazing spread. You don't just pick him up for two weeks and win a national and if that works on a local level your region is just bad (not YOUR region per se, talking in general here). He's an easy option if you're content with mid level skill, but if you want to win it big you will have to put in work like you would for any other character and you won't have novelty on your side. Saying he's a clutch is kind of disrespectful to top players also, because IMO every MK main in top 8 deserved to be there (which btw had only two MK solo mains and four in total... not the end of the world). If you want to cater to mid level play rather than what happens if the best of the best come together that's your decision, but I think it's not helping anyone.

Also, ICs and Olimar are gay to play against.

 

[bertbusdriver]

17: KoreanDJ
17: DaShizWiz
17: Mew2King


i'm so sad right now.

in case ppl don't know:

shiz was about to beat SFAT, but he SD'd trying to do a dair when all he had to do was stay invincible on the ledge. i was playing friendlies 10 ft away at the time, so i didn't see, but i heard this from multiple sources.

m2k quit melee after losing to wobbles in winners' iirc?

KDJ also lost a heartbreaker with an SD at the end of his match vs shroomed.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Great way to end your post right there Marc, LOL

 

[Famous]

Looking at the Grand Finals of Smash 64/Melee makes me want to pick it up again, lol...Best Tounament I've ever been to so far.

 

[Itsnotmyfault]

there definitely were not enough setups. The first two days I got maybe 10 total games played. No disrespect to sf and marvel, but I feel like this tournament was too ambitious for the timespan. When the tournament is supposed to be primarily for smash it just sucks that the other games cut into it so much.

That said, the fact that I got to play people from germany mexico and england and the spectacle of it all definitely makes up for it.

 

[Omni]

I really wish there were more concept matches. I love how Keitaro had international players going at it pre-Apex.

I think there should totally be a focus in tournament for concept matches. I think it would be retardedly hype as well.

 

[Palpi]

I really liked the utilization of the first room. Those 30 chairs in the middle of the room were a key part of this tournament running smooth as silk. Without those chairs there would've been more set ups there, and no one would have had a place to sleep because of boredom/lack of set ups.

 

[bertbusdriver]

i agree that there were not enough setups. i think the incentive to bring a setup was too low. the typical $10-15 venue fee discount would have been much more incentive than a 1 in 100 chance to win a nintendo 3ds.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Also missing a silver gc controller with a pit sticker on it. Pm if you found it kthx

 

[tarmacker]

OMG MacD so good.

 

[Thanos828]

Not gonna lie, Grand Finals made me want to puke

 

[KageMurphy]

okay neverminddddddddddddd

 

[Omni]

It's actually not that big of an issue, Phil. Especially looking at this last page.

Chill.

 

[BigWenz]

Hack 5th place in pools? Europe got *****

Johnny losing to Jpeg and SmashMac? I assumed only Top 2 made it out of Pool R1. That's how it should be imo.

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Hack went kirby for God knows why, and S2j made it out of pools as he was clearly in bracket, not sure what happened with that.

 

[Zero_Saber]

This thread and the use of the word overcentralizing sounds exactly like the league of legends forums and their use of the word anti-fun. People throw it around without really understanding what it means as an excuse for banning (in smashes case nerfing in League's case).

The fact that the top few played MK doesn't mean much if a large number of the players who made bracket didn't. Going through both Brawl and Melee both games had their top 12 characters make bracket with Melee having only a total of 14-15 (don't know if Leffen used Yoshi) being played whereas Brawl had at least 22 (possibly more the biggest one I left out is GnW who Vinne might have played). Melee had proportionally LESS character diversity then Brawl. How can a character be overcentralizing if over 1/2 of the characters make it into bracket at the biggest tournament ever?

I don't think it would be too far to say that double MK teams need to go but the character as a whole didn't dominate the first truly international tournament at all. I also find it funny that Xyro was pointing out the top 5 as an excuse for a ban when there were 4 MK's and 5 non-MK characters. More non-MK characters placed in the top 5 then MK characters.

Anyway I'm done ranting this tournament was so hype and I am really glad the Japanese did well and I hope they still come out even after winning this tournament. I also hope H-box isn't demoralized from his loss to Armada. It was a super close second set.

 

[Lightsyde]

The bracket for Melee made me say wtffff so many times. Everybody sucks, what the hell. haha

Good **** Hax though for trashing everybody ever in Loser's Bracket like always.

And super good **** to Kevin and Adam getting 3rd in teams. Looking forward to watching the videos.

 

[Black Mantis]

I'll watch Melee GF's if they get posted online. However, I know I'll need a pillow on deck .

 

[The Sex Puma]

shoutouts to stream chat

 

[M@v]

I'll watch Melee GF's if they get posted online. However, I know I'll need a pillow on deck .

You better be ready so you can get some rest

Spoiler

horrible pun

 

[PB&J]

shout out to shout outs

Hbox played really good, you guys are just hating because your favorite player didnt win. Javi is really good(should of teamed with me though..lol) So many sd's this tourny

congrats to Armada for winning the tounry and it was fun doing team friendlies with you

 

[WedginatorX]

Whenever character usage is done for brawl, nietono needs to have diddy added next to his name. He DID use diddy to advance.
Idk if he pulled his MK out after he ditto'd orion though.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

gonna post some props/upsets imo

reno > plup..not a good start for plup.

IB > Azen

Stricnyn3 > axe

MacD > amsah is too impressive, don't have to emphasize the peach practice amsah already gets.

chillin doing work to jman then kage

good stuff to kage beating PC

PewPewU > colbol ****

unfortunate macd and zhu had to play

good stuff kaze beating DSW.

lovage did work to javi (yeee he lost after) and chillin..definitely that fox monster

good stuff teczero vs. azen

soo lame wesballz had to play s2j in losers.. really wanted to see more, same with bladewise vs SW

good stuff uk522 vs hugs

good stuff weon vs kage!

ice < hbk!? uggggh. guess being the only top marth in europe has its pros and cons..

druggedfox > cactuar? very impressive.

good stuff tai vs colbol! ****

jman vs amsah had to of been so salty..glad jman won. but wtf amsah.

PPU did work for how hidden he's been in the scene...beating colbol, tang, and hbk.

nice stuff bladewise vs chudat!

teczero > leffen....oh leffen. i had such high hopes.

SFAT > shiz?! wow, too good zac. he's the fox slayer too!

uggh zhu had to play hbox, coulda seen so much more out of zhu.

javi >>> cactuar, redd, weon-x, KDJ, vanz, lovage, hax, DRPEEPEE..MY GOD.
i've always had such high hopes for you and your brother, i can't ****in wait for you to come back here, hopefully with tuga next time.


i sware every single god damn time, hax loses 1st or 2nd round of winners of a national, followed by bodying EVERYONE all the way until top 8 or so. i sware this ****in kid

m2k woulda played hax, possibly could've won, then woulda played SFAT, then MACD, then Javi..

m2k could have done amazing. real immature call on his part, unless im missing some important details like quitting out to focus more on the game japan won anyways



lastly, PBNJ im so glad you beat javi/hugs in doubles. to whoever PM'd Javi and told him NOT to team with PBNJ (huge ****** move), you personally contributed to javi placing lower in doubles! get *****.


the hate on HBOX is getting too ****in' old. you all expecting people to play for the crowd and not for their own satisfaction/pride/winnings are CHILDISH AS FVCK.

 

[Life After Death]

Shoutout to hbox for going in for the money. And yo **** all these corny wack smashers on their i hate hbox bandwagon get a life and get out of your god dam house ya ****ing basement creatures lmao

 

[prog]

no shoutouts.

I HATE EVERYBODY.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

****kkkk chops why didn't you go