The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)

[TJ Infinat]

*smirk*
I play smash for the people.
I actually try harder during friendlies.
Tourney matches. . .they. . .idk.
I dont think they reflect anything of what I play like.
I actually went blank against Gofg. I remember making small talk, you know, being friendly. Then We struck stages and then, next thing I know, I had lost two matches. I was told it was mad close, which could mean one of two things.
- I sandbagged on accident.
- I played really well and still wasnt good enough.

I think maybe the latter?

nc looking mad emo again

I've had a really bad valentine's day.
I always do. . .

 

[DJRome]

you have to not let ur mind get numb. think of it as an academic exercise. you must be actively thinking or else you'll get destroyed.

 

[TJ Infinat]

if money doesnt do it, I dont think I could do it myself. . . .

 

[DJRome]

lol, don't think of the externalities of the match. just think about your goal, which isn't even to win. it's to know what to do and do it

 

[TJ Infinat]

im trying to figure out what that means.
Should I micro manage?
*micro = the difference between falling forward or backward as I drop a peach fair*
Or should I just macro better?
*macro = the difference between edge guarding and edge hoggin.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

micro's determine a match, macro's determine a player.

i think i usually get mad whenever a lot of micro's don't go my way, but i think i'm doing the macro's right. TJ i think we're even players at this stage, but at the same time, i expect myself to do a lot of the micro stuff right, ie not get caught in your dairs, and not get hit by turnips unnecesssarily. once you do the macro unconsciously (ie knowing just by how far a fox is whether to just edgehog, or give him one more bair), you can decide the micro's (ie knowing by how a fox is dash dancing to approach with a fair, or just empty jump grab).

i didn't intend to be complaining, and in fact i figured if anyone would understand it would be you TJ. but i guess since you're not really focused on tournament results, you wouldn't be as frustrated as me. yes, i can see that in friendlies i now have a fight in a lot of battles i didn't (in my first tournament, i was lucky to get percents against josh. now i can sort of combo him and edgeguard him, but he still owns me haha).

i just want to get better. i just want to do better. end of story.

 

[DJRome]

chris, i advise trying other characters as well. they can teach you thinks to use against them.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

i kind of have to now. i'm not going through event 29 every time i turn on my cube just so i can play some ganon. dshep said he'd bring a card every time i play with him, but all my personal practice is fox, sheik, falcon.

its sort of helping, but its tough to understand the limitations of a character when you're not sure if you're coming close to the limitations of the character, knaamean?

 

[lord karn]

You're good. with ****ing ganondorf!
That's not a character you can just pick up.

Jawsh on Alex's name:

I won my Ganon ditto MM against Chris and I had been playing him for about 2 days. >_>

Kidding. To be fair, I've been playing Smash a lot longer and Chris was playing mad nervous and I play Falcon which is remotely similar.

But seriously though TJ, I know how frustrating this game can be, probably better than anybody. You gotta stick with it. Don't quit and don't get discouraged. You're a bro and you've got mad potential.

 

[Dorsey]

Chris man I wish you wouldn't be so discouraged. There's always something you can work on to improve. I went to duke being out-classed in key aspects of tournament play... The only thing that was allowing me to compete was really good survival DI and reading/switching up techs(and hitting crucial techs). I mean match-up wise I REALLY need to work on sheik dittos(being that it's my 'main') and spacies... My tech skill needs work and it as particularly bad at this tournament. I would CONSTANTLY short hop to aerial too fast... idk how many times i meant to wavedashw/wl sh aerial and all I did was jab. I guess that's nerves lol? IDK. I didn't feel nervous though.

Anyway, I have alright ganon game, can play ganon, and played you quite a bit including in tournament... so you can drop me a line sometime if you ever have a question i.e. what did I see that you could have done different in our match.

As for the PRs...... no comment. There's a lot of potential gray aeras though, including with seeding. I think I'll be good enough to get on these with some time though, look out at herb 3. That should give me some time to work on some stuff. and I also think that both crystalnite(not theo) and my brother are easily in NC's 'top ten', as far as people who aren't on the list goes. Notice how I said top ten and not the PR, though.

 

[TJ Infinat]

hahaaaaaaaaaa.
you picked a bad day for me to be empathetic, happens as often as peach pulls beam swords *i get 1 every 25 or so matches if I pull a turnip every 5 seconds.*
Now that its not VDay anymore, I can understand. its what I do.

*stern look*
Chris. I have a feeling that playing Emo is going to take away from your playing potential. That's just me being real.
Sometimes, when I'm tired of that Turnip pulling *****, I have to do certain things. I have to play yoshi or something. IDK.

Playing different characters has helped my playing style with the characters I play. You know that perfect wave land I get 7 out of 10 times?
learned it from bowser.
You know the really good timing of my turnip throw/drop?
Learned it from Link.
The rising uair which starts a lot of my combos
Falcon
The flying dair?
Blame Yoshi

My point is that if you learn to play other characters, technique you learn from them can be used to augment your character. Play some Doc, the placement of your fairs will get better.

I suggest playing bowser. Seriously. If you can play him, your ganons wavelanding will get MUCH better.

 

[TJ Infinat]

But seriously though TJ, I know how frustrating this game can be, probably better than anybody. You gotta stick with it. Don't quit and don't get discouraged. You're a bro and you've got mad potential.

I don't mind getting *****. I'll be the first to say that. But . . . .my life outside of smash is suffering.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

Jawsh on Alex's name:

I won my Ganon ditto MM against Chris and I had been playing him for about 2 days. >_>

thats where my days frustration started. thanks for reminding me josh, i had honestly forgotten why i was pissed off for so much of the day.

edit: tj, i have no problem playing other characters, and although i know i'll learn some stuff from other characters, simply not being able to play your main for a couple weeks could, and should, be at least a little frustrating. since i'm unable to play ganon, i did play some bowser, a long with fox and the others. but i think such things are only useful if you can play your main along with the others. i'll have dshep come over as often as i can have him, but playing like all fox/bowser/falcon for two weeks and then entering SOS with ganon will feel a little odd, and might not do me a ton of good.

and dorsey, i think i'm just typing a lot more discouraged than i really am. my outlook on this is infinitely better than my outlook for college soccer. at least i care about this lol

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

Zach when you get up, come pick me up at 2:00pm.

 

[Dorsey]

Playing other chars will help yeah but wavelanding with bowser will do little with assisting with ganon's waveland, imo. WaveDASHING with bowser will help you with ganon's wavedashes, though.

I think Chris is pretty good. I think that there's some basic stuff that he hasn't mastered yet though that's holding him back. Your improvement curve is seriously pretty decent, chris.

 

[TJ Infinat]

*frown* Doresy. . .
Idk. I didnt start wavelanding with anyone until I played bowser.

If you've seen anyone but my peach *who doesnt waveland* you understand than wave landing is a huge part of my game.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

well tj, i can already waveland, and i started with ganon. i've tried bowsers waveland, and i don't understand it at all. in fact i'm almost afraid of understanding it, because i think i might get used to that timing too much, because i think it might be close to ganons. if i needed to start wavelanding, i guess bowser would be a good start...idk.

dorsey has the right idea though, wavedashing with bowser will pose to be useful. when i get to the point that my hands are moving faster, the thing that suffers most is my wavedashing with ganon; i end up just fulljumping because i don't wait all 7 frames for him to get off the ground. moving fast while still having the patience to wait for even bowser to jump will make ganon feel all the faster for wding.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

I'm glad my char has a 4 frame jump and low traction. Wavedashing with ICs is too fun.

 

[lord karn]

thats where my days frustration started. thanks for reminding me josh, i had honestly forgotten why i was pissed off for so much of the day.

Jawsh:

I'm very sorry bro. I wasn't trying to make you feel bad even though it probably looked like it. I really shouldn't have won; I know you were just off like I was the week before in Hickory. We'll do it again next time and you'll **** me for sure, okay?

Seriously though, I think you and TJ both have a lot of potential and like you said, you've gotten A LOT better between the two Duke's we've played at. So don't sweat it.

But to further add to this conversation, practice Fox just for tech skill if you don't have Ganon for a while. He's probably the best secondary you could possibly have and it makes playing most other characters relatively easy tech skill wise. Also great for getting warmed up.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

oh, its all good. it was just funny cuz as i kept remembering all the mm's i was like "i broke even today...so why was i so mad?". every time i forgot that it happened. for a person like me who doesn't usually get mad or even particularly disappointed over stuff, i couldn't really figure it out. i'm just glad i now have an explanation for my emotions.

hmm...i don't think i was that off, i just think that, in TJ's terms, i did the macro's wrong, so even though i probably understood the "micro"s of ganon, i couldn't have won the match. maybe thats what "being off" is all about...idk.

and yeah, playing fox is mad fun. waveshining in place is like a new hobby of mine lol (partly because choosing a direction seems to lead to my death 7 times out of 10 lol).

 

[Dorsey]

Essentially all wavelands are really similar imo... can't say that about wavedashes though.

Fox serves as a nice tech-chase off dthrow practice for me. Drill to l-cancel grab d-throw.... then your options: Sheild the get-up attack or no tech then regrab, sheild to wavedash OOS fsmash/usmash dependent on tech roll either direction......etc...

I think i'm gonna start practicing some more technical stuff w/ fox.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

jab resets are so much fun. thats one thing i wish ganon could do...but his jab is just amazing regardless...

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Ganon with resets would be stupid.

Reset -> Charged Usmash?




UUUUUUUUUGH

 

[GofG]

ganon can jab reset samus, bowser, and probably at least one more superheavy character with his downward angled ftilt

 

[Dorsey]

whaaaaaa? I don't think so man. Maybe with some horrid DI you could chain choke bowser like that with ganon but a guaranteed jab reset? I'm not experienced with executing situations like this but I doubt it.

edit: Are you talking about getting hit with some wack part of the downward angled ftilt's hitbox then maybe? I really don't know. But even if that's true the likelihood of that situation coming up would be slim.

 

[Dr Peepee]

i kind of have to now. i'm not going through event 29 every time i turn on my cube just so i can play some ganon. dshep said he'd bring a card every time i play with him, but all my personal practice is fox, sheik, falcon.

its sort of helping, but its tough to understand the limitations of a character when you're not sure if you're coming close to the limitations of the character, knaamean?

DJ is dumb and should feel bad.

Learning another character is only good when you have gotten so far with your main that you get stuck/bored. Now, that isn't to say that you can't pick up another character along the way to piddle around with, but your major focus should be on your....main.

When you get to a certain point with your main that you get stuck/frustrated/bored, then you can focus on your secondaries more. This allows you to apply principles you learned with your main to your secondaries, while learning new principles to apply to your main once you improve your secondaries/stop being bored.

 

[null55]

well PP, everything after me actually realizing you weren't trolling is me trolling in an effort to keep from saying i was wrong. lol but being the first time i've deliberately trolled you, i can say that you are absolutely no fun to troll. actually you are. and although i still think you were trolling, those posts and last IMs are a joke just btw.

@Stingerz&DJ: yall have sum ****ty *** taste.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Call me a troll, but I was about 85% sure you were trolling but acted like I normally would have on that 15% chance I was wrong, Cam.

Also, there is no need to practice Fox for tech skill unless you play Falco/Falcon? I think learning how to improve technically with your own character is sufficient.

 

[DJRome]

another problem of the pr debate is what do you want prs to represent? skill or tournament placing? people will debate this to no end in any area, but if prs are to represent tournament potential, then our pr does that. and as for skill, people can say that top 10 in skill is whatever. but i equate "skill" vs tourney the same as i see "friendlies" vs tourney. tourney is ultimately what matters. you can get all the mad props you want, but ultimately placing well at a tourney is what matters.

edit: google image irina sheik and then talk. boi

 

[Dorsey]

Yeah DJ. I think that it's gray areas that make the skill v. tournament placings unparalleled kind of... What if I went to a tournament and took out both Ace and Jim way earlier than expected, then lost to someone one of them could have beaten? Kind of mixes stuff up.

 

[null55]

Call me a troll, but I was about 85% sure you were trolling but acted like I normally would have on that 15% chance I was wrong, Cam.

Also, there is no need to practice Fox for tech skill unless you play Falco/Falcon? I think learning how to improve technically with your own character is sufficient.

GJ, but unfortunately my trolling goes far beyond that.

And Vilt told me at my second smash date in my life when it was just me and BEHR that you should practice Fox for tech skill.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Vilt plays Jigglypuff. He doesn't know what tech-skill is.

 

[DJRome]

fox tech skill doesn't help sheik. . . oh well. i need that theo response time. looking like a gaming lcd monitor out there

 

[Dr Peepee]

GJ, but unfortunately my trolling goes far beyond that.

And Vilt told me at my second smash date in my life when it was just me and BEHR that you should practice Fox for tech skill.

I don't suppose you'll elaborate? You wouldn't be so sly as to counter my counter-troll, would you?

Hmmmmm.....

 

[Dorsey]

Why would anyone listen to Dr Peepee anyway.......

 

[Dr Peepee]

It's actually more fun to argue with me.

 

[DJRome]

lol false

 

[Dorsey]

haha I actually agree with you on focusing on your main kevin. I think I might practice some tech skill with fox because I think I'm the only one who doesn't know how to play him. . .

Maybe I should work on not getting shield grabbed by DJ too. That would be wonderful.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Look how much fun he's having.

He lol'd


Edit: Yeeeee

 

[null55]

I don't suppose you'll elaborate? You wouldn't be so sly as to counter my counter-troll, would you?

Hmmmmm.....

let's just say i'm sly.