The *NEW* Snake Matchup Discussion Index

[ZTD | TECHnology]

THE NEW SNAKE MATCHUP INDEX

"Kept you waiting, huh?" - Solid Snake

MISSION BRIEFING:

Snakes! I have a top priority assignment for you all. This will be one of your most difficult assignments yet and this is why I called upon all of you for this. The Matchup Discussion thread is in danger yet again. I need your collective effort to keep it from going under yet again. From now on I will be linking different coordinates weekly to different locations. It is up to you to share your intel with your other Snakes, so our database keeps relevant and updated information. Without your effort, we won't have the proper knowledge for dealing with our adversaries ahead of time and that will affect all of you. By sharing your intel, you help all of your fellow Snakes out.

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES

The Old Matchup Index



DISCUSSION 1: WARIO

BBR MU CHART 2.0 SAYS: 0 - Even
SNAKE BOARDS SAYS: 0 - Even
COORDINATES: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321890

DISCUSSION 2: OLIMAR

BBR MU CHART 2.0 SAYS: -1 - Slight Disadvantage
SNAKE BOARDS SAYS: In progress.
COORDINATES: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=14455225#post14455225[/COLOR]

DISCUSSION 3: ICE CLIMBERS

BBR MU CHART 2.0 SAYS: +1 - Slight Advantage
SNAKE BOARDS SAYS: Coming Soon!
COORDINATES: Coming Soon!

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I'm so glad a new thread was made for this. ^_^

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, this is gonna be awesome even though nobody will ever agree with me

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I am taking suggestions for the second matchup discussion. Preferably something somewhat common in today's metagame.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Ice Climbers or Olimar? =D They seem to be fairly popular. o-o

 

[Gifts]

yeah either icies or oli imo.

 

[Wilmenz]

Olimar plox.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Olimar is easy ... let's do ICs plz, that MU keeps getting harder =/

 

[Wilmenz]

Olimar is easy..? Did Nintendo update brawl and did nerfs?

 

[Attila_]

I'm pretty sure Oli is hard. Ignoring numbers, the olimar mu plays out very differently to most mus; we are made to approach and take large amounts of damage from afar.

Probably worth discussion.

Ics... Maybe. Don't think too many of us have trouble with it; at least, Ally doesn't lol.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Olimar isn't "easy" as in "easy to defeat" but rather that it's simple to play [contrary to common believe]. But we'll talk that out for the 2482713917th time once the thread is made

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I have trouble with the ICs mu personally. I never get to play it and when I run into one in bracket I have no idea what to do. o-o

 

[False]

The prospect of getting grabbed bars many snakes from taking certain risks and taking control of the stage when needed.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I think I may do Olimar for the second and Ice Climbers for the third discussion.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Yea for olimar. I've got a method I wanted to try out. But no olimar to play against :/

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Okay we will do Olimar next. ICs are on deck.

 

[0mart]

and Falco or Marth later please D=

 

[JTsm]

Yooooo I never knew Tech Chase cared about the Snake metagame... :O

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I've always cared. I still have a deep connection with the character and the community. I've never been able to completely get away from Snake lol.

 

[Kuro~]

Lol me either. Stupid curse.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

LOL the "Curse of the Snake Boards".

It IS real.

 

[Kuro~]

God dang right it's real!

 

[False]

Never really had anyone else to go to lmao.

I'm working on my Wario but that's about it.

 

[Neon!]

Wondering what the snake's opinions are on the DK matchup. It's listed as +1 snake but I feel DK does much better against snake than yoshi, sonic or kirby.

 

[Jrugs]

Wondering what the snake's opinions are on the DK matchup. It's listed as +1 snake but I feel DK does much better against snake than yoshi, sonic or kirby.

I feel like 2012 is really going to be a progressive year for snake

0/ or +1 for Dk but I wanna say even. Neon you already know my opinion.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I could see it being a +1 for Snake or even.

EDIT: Yeah I see this being a good year as well. ^_^

 

[Blacknight99923]

I think bizkit says its like slightly snakes favor if your camping game is really strong

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Yeah that's mainly why I was saying potentially +1 as well. ^_^

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What? It's easily +1 if not +2 for Snake 0_0

 

[Attila_]

definitely +1 snake.

grenades give him plenty of trouble, but his spacing tools and outrageous kill power keep him competitive.

 

[Neon!]

What? It's easily +1 if not +2 for Snake 0_0

Oh boy, I love when snake's underestimate us.

Fighting DK is similar to fighting marth except DK can afford to trade hits with snake. DK also has ground pound which beats almost everything snake can do on the ground. He is easier to camp however and has more blindspots.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

The only reason I say DK probably has an easier time against Snake than other characters like Yoshi or Sonic is because once you hit snake and get him in the air, it should be free damage. Recovering against DK is stupid.

I do not really see the times where DK might trade with Snake though?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Oh boy, I love when snake's underestimate us.

I'm not underrating DK - I just know he's bad. I have plenty of practice against the character.

Fighting DK is similar to fighting marth except DK can afford to trade hits with snake. DK also has ground pound which beats almost everything snake can do on the ground. He is easier to camp however and has more blindspots.

He also can't land, is much easier to tech chase, easier to juggle and just as easy to ledgetrap. Snake Nair also reliably beats whatever DK does in the air except bair and DK is too fat to SDI it easily. It also beats ground pound with ease. Ground pound works only against Snake's that don't know how to camp. On shield and on whiff it's punished easy with nair or even dair.

 

[etecoon]

I've always cared. I still have a deep connection with the character and the community. I've never been able to completely get away from Snake lol.

I don't even play brawl anymore and haven't really mained snake since july 2008 and I still come here for some reason

 

[False]

do any of you know the zero landing lag tech where if you take out a grenade in the air and buffer shield, you'll perfect shield a landmine upon landing?

this applies to DK's ground pound. you can shield the active hitbox on the ground. you can even SH take out a grenade and shield grab DK if you read the ground pound correctly.

Also, DK's backroll and get up attack are extremely fast, Gheb. :l you can't react to backroll, from what I've learned with Will and you NEED to be able to read that ****.

alas, before I go on any further, I'll wait until a DK:Snake thread is up.

 

[Attila_]

also gheb, nair is bad against any character. you can always sdi up/down, and often punish.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

^ lol

 

[Gifts]

^ lol

lol ^

What DK's do you play against Gheb?

 

[False]

Yeah Gheb the MU imo isn't that far off from even. :/

What credible DKs have you played? :/

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Doesn't nair also have a negative hitbox or whatever as well? o-o