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The New Mog for Brawl thread

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~Krystal~

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I just DID!

Ice Climbers are important to their series. I mean, hell, look at the name of the game. ICE CLIMBERS!
Ice Climbers are part of an obscure game. How on Earth are they important going by your criteria of popularity when they were WTF characters going into Melee?

Is Mog the star of his? No. Yes, they've been in a majority of Final Fantasys, but so has Toad. Is he playable?
Toad still appeared in the game and he was a highly requested character on the polls? I wonder why he wasn't made playable....

Couldn't have anything to do with moveset issues could it?
 

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Wow, why dont you try comparing non-Retro characters? Huh, Krystal... and yes Brawl is gonna sell loads with or without Mog so why not put Cloud in instead?
Because Nintendo doesn't need to waste as much money on Cloud while hoping hes worth the investment. With Mog they get FF representation, a series mascot, and a unique character in appearance and in fighting ability.
 
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With Cloud they get a gaming icon, more sales a unique and interesting character and someone that is important to the franchise!

Not like a FF character will be in brawl anyway.
 

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With Cloud they get a gaming icon, more sales a unique and interesting character and someone that is important to the franchise!

Not like a FF character will be in brawl anyway.
1. Cloud is not a gaming icon.

2. Brawl will sell insanely well with or without Cloud

3. Interesting character...but not really unique. A sword user whos best move is an Ike/Link Final Smash.

4. Cloud is not as important to the franchise as you think. Every Final Fantasy before and after VII say hi.
 

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Ice Climbers are part of an obscure game. How on Earth are they important going by your criteria of popularity when they were WTF characters going into Melee?
You forget that Ice Climbers is still first-party. Thus, he can afford to use them. Mog is third party. Popularity is of course a factor when it comes to third-party because, with that popularity, it will drive sales. Mog isn't popular, thus wouldn't drive sales, thus would be a waste of money... unlike Cloud.

Toad still appeared in the game and he was a highly requested character on the polls? I wonder why he wasn't made playable....

Couldn't have anything to do with moveset issues could it?
You forgot that this is a video game where people can create a moveset. Look at Captain Falcon.

They just chose for him not to be in the game... because he wasn't important to his series.

And here's your source. http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165113
 
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1. Yes he is, sorry.

2. Same gos for Mog, except it will sell more with Cloud.

3. And Mog is? He is a fusion of Fox, Pikachu and Meta Knight.

4. Mog and almost every single other character in the FF series says hi.
 

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1. Cloud is not a gaming icon.

2. Brawl will sell insanely well with or without Cloud

3. Interesting character...but not really unique. A sword user whos best move is an Ike/Link Final Smash.

4. Cloud is not as important to the franchise as you think. Every Final Fantasy before and after VII say hi.
1. Then you must believe that Megaman isn't a gaming icon, Mario isn't, Sonic, Pikachu, Link, Fox, Samus, Paper Mario, Cell Shaded Link, James, Wario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and many others aren't gaming icons. Trust me, they're gaming icons. Ever seen the character battles on Game***s? Cloud was extremely popular on there.

2. Excuuuuuuuuuuse me, if that was true, why havn't the predessors sold ECKSTREAMLY WELL? They certainly didn't beat their rival Halo in sales. They aren't at all setting records.

3. To say Cloud will be a Link clone would be completely ignorant, not that I wouldn't expect that from you of course.

4. Explain why Fox is representing the StarFox series when even he didn't appear in the first one.
 

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1. Then you must believe that Megaman isn't a gaming icon, Mario isn't, Sonic, Pikachu, Link, Fox, Samus, Paper Mario, Cell Shaded Link, James, Wario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and many others aren't gaming icons. Trust me, they're gaming icons. Ever seen the character battles on Game***s? Cloud was extremely popular on there.

2. Excuuuuuuuuuuse me, if that was true, why havn't the predessors sold ECKSTREAMLY WELL? They certainly didn't beat their rival Halo in sales. They aren't at all setting records.

3. To say Cloud will be a Link clone would be completely ignorant, not that I wouldn't expect that from you of course.

4. Explain why Fox is representing the StarFox series when even he didn't appear in the first one.
1)gamefaqs=full of cloud fanboys who spam the character battle.mario, link, sonic, those are gaming icons! not DK or yoshi.

2)Each smash sold better than the one before it, Brawl will continue that trend! besides, halo is over-rated, and over-comercialized.


3)cloud wouldnt be a link clone, but his FS would.


4)fox apeard in the first star fox game. why else would they call it "starfox"?
 

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wow.. for once i agree with platnum halo is alo is over-rated, and over-comercialized. wow

now for the usual stuff.

how seen advent children. where you snaps the crap out of bahumut. FS. or in the games. he has so many awsome limits.

because starfox is the team
 

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1)gamefaqs=full of cloud fanboys who spam the character battle.mario, link, sonic, those are gaming icons! not DK or yoshi.

2)Each smash sold better than the one before it, Brawl will continue that trend! besides, halo is over-rated, and over-comercialized.


3)cloud wouldnt be a link clone, but his FS would.


4)fox apeard in the first star fox game. why else would they call it "starfox"?
I wasn't talking to you. When it says platnum in the quote, you can respond.
 

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allow me put something into perspective.


by most haters logic, master chief could get in because of his MASSIVE popularity.(there WAS going to be a Halo DS)
 

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allow me put something into perspective.


by most haters logic, master chief could get in because of his MASSIVE popularity.(there WAS going to be a Halo DS)
Allow me to use some of your words against you, "where's the proof"?
 

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Ok firstly you are assuming I want Cloud in, which I don't. Secondly:

Because he doesn't lug a giant sword around? How biased you are.

Mog:

+Was on Nintendo System
Along with thousands of other characters from oh I don't know... every game ever released on a Nintendo platform.

+Would be only Spear user in Brawl
Not necessarily, we don't know all the characters yet, who's to say there won't be a FE rep using a spear as they are one of the 3 main weapons of the series. Also, face it you're still whacking or poking something with a long pointy object.

+Would represent not only FFVI but Moogles in general
There are so many better options for a square rep i.e any of the original light warriors or a chocobo. Oh and Moogle's don't deserve such representation.[/QUOTE]

+Rare Dance User
...I don't know what to say to that, I personally never felt the need for more dancing, you know since it's a fighting game.

+Probably cost less than Cloud
Once again I don't support Cloud but still this is what deals are for (Mario Basketball anyone) plus Nintendo isn't exactly in any trouble financially.
 

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seriously, no more fighting! its un-winable!
It's not my fault Krystal likes to be a flamebaiting **** sucker. All she does is say troll when she has no arguement, or is losing one.


platnum, I respect you much more than ~Krystal~. You aren't as much of an ******* than Krystal could be. You still need to work on acknowledging Mog has a low chance and is heavily out-prioritized.
 

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If you want to stop fighting, just ignore them :p
SSE...maybe something to do with Lucas :chuckle:
I was thinking the same thing..... :)

Lucas encounters Mog in the jungle and befriends him. Thats how I think it would play out. :p
 

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SSE:sonic is running...he runs in to thousands of primids. out numbered, he tries to fight them off...and fails.D:. BUT, just when all hope seems lost mog comes to the rescue! mog summons his moogle friends and together they wipe out the primids!
 

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SSE:sonic is running...he runs in to thousands of primids. out numbered, he tries to fight them off...and fails.D:. BUT, just when all hope seems lost mog comes to the rescue! mog summons his moogle friends and together they wipe out the primids!
Good scenario. =o)

I wonder what Boss Mog would face in SSE?
 

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Cloud isn't an icon of video games in general.

Thats pure biased FFVII fanboy propaganda.
Not exactly. Despite the fact that fanboys have driven Cloud to a new level of iconicness that he really should have, you can't claim that he's in the same league as all other FF protagonists. Being the best-selling FF series of them all, FF7 is as legendary to Square(Soft/Enix) as Ocarina of Time is to Nintendo. Final Fantasy 7 is easily the least forgetable of all the FF games...so much so that a movie squel was created as well as several spinoffs (regardless of if they centered around Cloud or not).

With the exception of Chocobos, Mogs, and Moogles...FF7 characters (primarily Cloud and Sephiroth) have appear in more Square-Enix titles than any other FF character (is that correct?). The only thing really supporting the fact that Cloud doesn't hae a legit shot is that he was never playable of a Nintendo console...I think he only made a cameo. Apart from that, fanboyism has nothing to do with the fact that someone for FF7 would be the most likely choice for a Final Fantasy representative.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that Cloud isn't really a mascot of Square/FF, but the superiorly-selling and most recognizable FF7 is. And to pick a less significant character like a Mog from a franchise with a wide array of characters that made the games as epic as they were...well that's kinda silly. Then again, Sakurai's known to be absurdly silly at times *coughPokemonTrainercough*

Bomberman is a video game icon.
I could care less if you want Osama Bin Laden for Brawl...I'm officially in love with you for saying that (assuming you're not a dude)

i wish people stop bringing up the ice climbers. they were "leads" in a classic game. SSBM needed some classic reps. ice climbers fitted the bill.
Regardless, Ice Climbers are an invalid argument anyway. They're not 3rd party. If Sakurai wants to throw in insignificant 1st party characters just to make the game more interesting, then he has a lot more freedom to do so. 3rd party characters are far different. If he tries to take the same liberties with 3rd parties as he can do with first parties then he'll be bankrupt before the day is done.

I wasn't talking to you. When it says platnum in the quote, you can respond.
It was all a dream, I used to read word-up magazines...
 

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kefka!(Epic music included)
Dancing Mad would be the ULTIMATE Brawl tune imo. I think Sakurai should really try to get that theme from SE. :)

Not exactly. Despite the fact that fanboys have driven Cloud to a new level of iconicness that he really should have, you can't claim that he's in the same league as all other FF protagonists. Being the best-selling FF series of them all, FF7 is as legendary to Square(Soft/Enix) as Ocarina of Time is to Nintendo. Final Fantasy 7 is easily the least forgetable of all the FF games...so much so that a movie squel was created as well as several spinoffs (regardless of if they centered around Cloud or not).

With the exception of Chocobos, Mogs, and Moogles...FF7 characters (primarily Cloud and Sephiroth) have appear in more Square-Enix titles than any other FF character (is that correct?). The only thing really supporting the fact that Cloud doesn't hae a legit shot is that he was never playable of a Nintendo console...I think he only made a cameo. Apart from that, fanboyism has nothing to do with the fact that someone for FF7 would be the most likely choice for a Final Fantasy representative.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that Cloud isn't really a mascot of Square/FF, but the superiorly-selling and most recognizable FF7 is. And to pick a less significant character like a Mog from a franchise with a wide array of characters that made the games as epic as they were...well that's kinda silly. Then again, Sakurai's known to be absurdly silly at times *coughPokemonTrainercough*
All valid points. =o)

Which I have no response for atm. (I don't think I ever will)

I could care less if you want Osama Bin Laden for Brawl...
Well I think its true. =o/
Bomberman's resume speaks for itself.

I'm officially in love with you for saying that (assuming you're not a dude)
Ha. I'm not a guy. I am ALL woman. =o)

Regardless, Ice Climbers are an invalid argument anyway. They're not 3rd party. If Sakurai wants to throw in insignificant 1st party characters just to make the game more interesting, then he has a lot more freedom to do so. 3rd party characters are far different. If he tries to take the same liberties with 3rd parties as he can do with first parties then he'll be bankrupt before the day is done.
If he does that enough then yes, but Brawl is sure to do so well in the market, I'm certain he would have to buy rights to 10 or 20 Ice Climber type characters before going bankrupt. I think he would be willing to take the risk for the sake of having an SE rep, but I could be wrong.
 
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