1. yes winning is the main point of fighting games, but there can be different reasons for people wanting to win. M2K wants to win because he wants to be the best. But I want to win to prove that a. i am just as good if not better than the people that play in my area, and b. that sonic is not trash tier as some people seem to believe. you have to realise that winning with certain conditions (holding onto your pride) can be more important than doing whatever it takes (tier whoring)
That doesn't really refute my point. My post had nothing to do with people who decide to use low tier characters for a sense of achievement. All I was saying was that competitive fighting game communities generally prioritize winning over a diverse set of characters.
2. yes those 4 were the best, but you saw people win with up to 10-15 different characters. many characters including psylocke, hayato, tron bonne, doctor doom and cyclops were viable in that game. Ive even seen servbots in competitive play. yes those 4 were the best, but that didnt mean a lot of the others just couldnt complete. kinda like what MK does now.
I didn't say those characters weren't viable or didn't see play. I said that the top 4 are by far the most widely played and make the majority of the roster useless. But no one is complaining.
3.in a game with only 20 characters, having 3 that are the best really isnt all that bad. thats still more diverse than what brawl is coming to.
Third Strike is many years old. Brawl is half a year old. Who says that MK will still be dominating the metagame in 6 more months? We all thought Snake was "so broken" when Brawl came and out, then we figured out how to beat him. Even now many different characters like Falco, Wario, Marth, ROB, DDD, and even DK are doing reasonably well in tournaments. Until MK is winning every tournament unequivocably, the metagame is fine.
4. reiterating ny last refutation of your last point, yes they were the best but a jigglypuff won the last big melee tourney. Doc mario could also go toe to toe with shiek and CF was borderline high tier. yes those 4 were the best but they didnt completely invalidate every other character.
OK so a few extremely devoted players do well with low tiers. That doesn't mean that Sheik, Fox, Falco, and Marth didn't win the vast majority of Melee tournaments. And MK does not invalidate every other character. Certainly he's the most popular amoing tourney goers right now, and the most succesful, but this won't necessarily be the case even 6 months from now. And it's not like he's even winning every single tournament. Until we get to that point of no return, MK is simply the best character in the game, not the only viable one.
theres going to be a best couple of characters in every fighting game. but there is a huge difference, a HUGE DIFFERENCE between having 10 tourney viable characters out of 50 or 3 out of 20 or 4 out of 26 and having only 1 character that is really able to win out of almost 40. that means theres 40 characters in this game and TBH, only 1 can win!? thats rediculous!!
You are deluded. MK is the best character, but not the only tourney viable character. He's not winning all tournaments now and he probably won't ever. At least wait a few month.
5. competitive players believe in banning things that are too good. and most of them believe in exploiting the really good moves and tactics when in the actual tourney for the sake of winning and making the money even if they realise that its too good and for the sake of competition, it really shouldnt be used.
Competitive players ban things that erase all competition such as Akuma, not things that are "too good". As I said before, competitive players LOVE things that are "too good". As long as it doesn't make the game 1 move or 1 character, we're fine. And we simply aren't at that point yet with MK. Give the Brawl community some credit. Even now, MK is not the only one running the show. Plenty of other characters are winning tournaments. When MK is the only person winning anything (which will probably never happen), then he will be ban worthy.
6 obviously there is a second best character(s) but if we get rid of MK and instead of just MKs (and possibly snakes) in tournaments, brawl turns into melee, and theres a group of 4 to 5 characters that run tourneys, than i believe the game is better off at that point.
There are a handful of characters winning tourneys right now, not just MK. If we remove MK, then Snake will just win as much as MK does right now. And if we remove Snake, then we'll find a new "best" character who will win most tournaments. MK is not the only tourney viable character even now.
but heres my bottom line:
the neutral matchups arguement is both valid and non valid at the same time.
MK has no counters and to be honest he probably doesnt have any truly neutral matchups.
but we dont ALL know that yet. there are people saying that diddy, DK, ZSS, and snake go neutral with MK. and as long as people believe that, we cant ban MK, because that means the metagame hasnt evolved enough to show that MK handles every other character.
basically, as has been said before, lack of matchup knowledge counters everyone. once the game has been out long enough for big tourneys to have been held and once the MKs learn the matchups against Zss and diddy and everybody else, and learn to beat them so that all of the rumors of meta counters have been quelled, then, and only then, can we ban metaknight
You seem oh so willing to ban MK. You believe already that he is the "Akuma" of Brawl, but that simply hasn't proven to be the case. When MK wins every tournament and he's the only tourney viable character, then he will be ban worthy.