The (Literal) Yoshi Video Guide

[FF WuvS]

(I'm pretty much transferring this over from AiB cuz it's literally dead and I want as MUCH help from the Yoshi community as I can get. Also, I don't know if this belongs under some other thread, but I thought I should just make one because it's actually showed off htiboxes and etc.)

Well hey everyone! I'm back with a new project (though some may not remember the first one.) My first one was the "Kill Percentages" but I kinda dropped that after people said that the percents weren't dead-on because I didn't have someone to help DI/MC for me, which is very true, so the percents could easily faired differently from mine, and I didn't want to give anyone false ideas. I'm hoping that this series will bring be more helpful overall.

Keep in mind that this isn't 100% perfect, I tried to make it to the best of my knowledge.

I would REALLY appreciate:

- Comments
- Ways to improve other videos
- Info about Yoshi's moves.
- Techs
- MUs
- Stage Techs
- And anything else someone would like to bring up.
- Videos showcasing any move or tech.

Things I NEED help with for videos: (I'll be in debt to you <3)

- Proper Frame Data
- Worst Match-Ups (Like Top 3ish)

1. Why they're the worst
2. How to Handle them

- DR Video (Explanation, Uses, Etc.)
- Dragon Dancing Video (I've never heard of this lol ._.)

Guide/Outline: (Thanks to Scatz for making a better Outline.)

Grounded Moves

1. Jab (Done)
   1. Normal Uses (Included)
   2. Hitboxes (Included)
   3. Frame Data
   4. Sweetspotted (SS)
      1. How Does It Work?
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
   5. Non Sweetspotted (non-SS)
      1. How Does It Work?
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
2. Tilts (Done)
   1. Normal Uses (Included)
   2. Hitboxes (Included)
   3. Frame Data
3. Dash Attack (Currently Working On. Expected 3/15)
   1. Normal Uses
   2. Hitboxes
   3. Frame Data
4. Smashes (Currently Working On. Expected 3/15.)
   1. Normal Uses
   2. Hitboxes
   3. Frame Data

Aerials

1. Normal Uses (Included)
2. Hitboxes (Included)
3. Frame Data

Grabs

1. Standing
2. Dash
3. Pivot
   1. Quick
   2. Sliding

Egg Lay

1. Short Hop & Full Hop
2. Double Jump Cancel (DJC)
3. B - Reverse
4. Turnaround
5. Tongue Gimp

Grab Releases

1. Who Can We Do It On?
2. Cautions of Grab Releasing
3. What Moves From It?
4. Infinite On Wario?
5. Irregular Grab Releases

Egg Toss

1. How & When To Throw
2. Egg Toss Slide (ETS)
3. The Setup
   1. What Is It?
   2. How/When To Use It?
   3. Moves From Landing Setup?

Yoshi's Shield

1. Why Is It Bad?
2. How To Use It?
3. Frame Data (AKA Shield Advantage)
4. Shield Whitening.

Edges

1. Egg Toss Canceling (ECE)
2. Down - B Ledge Cancel
3. Ledge Hugging
4. Recovering From Ledge

Reliable Killers

1. What Moves?
   1. F - Smash
   2. U - Smash
   3. U - Air
   4. Down - B
   5. F - Air
   6. N - Air
2. Most Reliable?

Defensive
Aggressive
Stage Special
Matchup Advice

1. Worst Matchups?
2. Why Do We Have Problems With Them?
3. How To Deal With Them
   1. Stages
   2. Playstyles

Dragon Dancing (used to be DR)

1. What Is It?
2. How Does It Work?
   1. Easiest Method?
      1. Wiimote
      2. WiiChuck
      3. Classic
      4. Gamecube
3. Why Use It?
4. Basic Applications

EDIT: Lol Specials are also important! (That's Done.)

Next episode will Dash Attack & Smashes!

Episode 1: Special Moves: (3/3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdy5DZVwrlk

Episode 1.5: Special Moves Hitboxes: (3/5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BZogL9ZHw

Episode 2: Jabs & Tilts: (3/7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq9ZtaEk44U

Episode 3: Aerials: (3/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Md8eFrinqY

Episode 4: Dash Attack & Smashers: (Expected 3/15)

So please leave ANYTHING to help with this =]

(Sorry if the first 2 videos are different and doesn't have much link between each other, those were kinda experimenting because I wanted to export in HD [didn't happen] and kinda flow with info and be consistent throughout the series. I'm still trying to make the overall videos better. Hopefully they aren't TOO bad.)

Other Helpful Threads:

Hatching a Healthy Yoshi (Overall Guide to how to make your Yoshi ****.)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=143857

Surveying the Island (Yoshi Info and Unique Techs)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297521

 

[Scatz]

I'll help out by giving out information and corrections. If you need video demonstrations, let me know.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

I said it on AiB but i'll help with w/e you want. Also I want some help on other projects if you have the time.

 

[FF WuvS]

Anything I can add to the video will be winsauce because every little bit I can make more accurate will be amazing help for all. If you put the videos on Youtube I'll just DL them and insert them into mine.

And Celes just ask for my help because typically on weekdays I'm free =D Weekends are a different story, however. ;o

 

[Scatz]

I don't really go out my way to make stuff unless I'm told. You're the project manager for this, so you'll have to tell me what you need. If you need any new information, then we can post it here (upon request) for you to add into your series.

 

[FF WuvS]

This is what I have so far:

3) Aerials (Normal Uses and Hitboxes)
4) Dash Attack & Smashes (Normal Uses and Hitboxes)
5) Grabs (Standing, Dash, Pivot)
6) Egg Lay Specialities
a. Reversal B
i. Single Jump
ii. DJC
iii. Double Jump Reverse B
iiii. Overall Aerial Movement
b. Dragonic Egg Lay
c. Sliding (off ledges)
d. Tongue Gimp
7) Grab Releases
a. Who CAN you do it too?
b. What do you do out of it?
c. What do you do if you don’t have a Grab Release?
d. Infinite on Wario
8) Edges
a. Sliding Off with Egg Throw
b. Auto-Grabbing (Running off and grabbing instantly)
c. Down Special Grabbing
d. Guards with Netural B and B-Air
e. Egg Camping
f. Neutral B-Gimping
9) Reliable Killers
a. F-Air
b. F-Smash
c. U-Smash
d. U-Air
e. D-Air to FHop
10) Defensive
a. Egg Throw
b. B-Air
c. Neutral B
d. Super Armor
e. Down Special
f. Pivot Grabs
11) Stage Special
a. Yoshi’s Island Slopes (and other stages slopes)
b. Rainbo Cruise (I believe I saw Celes had a thread to show what you shoudl do there.)
12) Match-Up Advice. (Like REALLY bad matchups and how you can make them easier.)
13) Fox Troting (Not sure if I'm gonna do this, because it's not too useful, though it does allow you to travel faster.)

If you guys want to add anything those (like additional Points or other stages, etc.) please do so I can mark those on my guide and I can remember to add those to the video.

Also, you probably noticed there is a DR point on there, it's cuz I fail and can't do DR, so if someone could make a video on
- How to do it (multiple ways perhaps?)
- Uses
- Examples
And all that jazzy stuff, I'll be in debt to you.

 

[Scatz]

1. Grounded Moves
   1. Jab
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
      4. Sweetspotted (SS)
         1. How Does It Work?
         2. Hitboxes
         3. Frame Data
      5. Non Sweetspotted (non-SS)
         1. How Does It Work?
         2. Hitboxes
         3. Frame Data
   2. Tilts
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
   3. Dash Attack
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
   4. Smashes
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
2. Aerials
   1. Normal Uses
   2. Hitboxes
   3. Frame Data
3. Grabs
   1. Standing
   2. Dash
   3. Pivot
      1. Quick
      2. Sliding
4. Egg Lay
   1. Short Hop & Full Hop
   2. Double Jump Cancel (DJC)
   3. B - Reverse
   4. Turnaround
   5. Tongue Gimp
5. Grab Releases
   1. Who Can We Do It On?
   2. Cautions of Grab Releasing
   3. What Moves From It?
   4. Infinite On Wario?
   5. Irregular Grab Releases
6. Egg Toss
   1. How & When To Throw
   2. Egg Toss Slide (ETS)
   3. The Setup
      1. What Is It?
      2. How/When To Use It?
      3. Moves From Landing Setup?
7. Yoshi's Shield
   1. Why Is It Bad?
   2. How To Use It?
   3. Frame Data (AKA Shield Advantage)
8. Edges
   1. Egg Toss Canceling (ECE)
   2. Down - B Ledge Cancel
   3. Ledge Hugging
   4. Recovering From Ledge
9. Reliable Killers
   1. What Moves?
      1. F - Smash
      2. U - Smash
      3. U - Air
      4. Down - B
      5. F - Air
      6. N - Air
   2. Most Reliable?
10. Defensive
11. Aggressive
12. Stage Special
13. Matchup Advice
    1. Worst Matchups?
    2. Why Do We Have Problems With Them?
    3. How To Deal With Them
       1. Stages
       2. Playstyles
14. Dragon Dancing (used to be DR)
    1. What Is It?
    2. How Does It Work?
       1. Easiest Method?
          1. Wiimote
          2. WiiChuck
          3. Classic
          4. Gamecube
    3. Why Use It?
    4. Basic Applications

Here's your list with some additions from me. There's still a lot more information to be added before you have a complete series in my opinion. Also, I think it would benefit everyone if there was a written portion for this too (contributed & reviewed by everyone at least). That way, updating won't nearly be as hard.

And for the record, don't use Dragonic Egg Lay anymore because it's the same thing as DJC Egg Lay. Also, you don't have to add in the frame data part. I just listed those cause they're still important for knowing what your character can do.

Edit: Added a few more. Damn. Sharky, you could use this outline for your guide since you said you had to revamp it.

 

[FF WuvS]

This looks Incredible! It's looks a lot more organized with a lot more detail then mine did. Thank You A Bunch!

Also, I didn't do the Frame Data in any of my videos because I don't want to number the frames incorrectly and give bad data.

 

[Scatz]

No problem. I'm just here to help when I need to come lol.

I see what you mean about the frame data. You can ask Yikarur for that since he's done Yoshi's data. Shield Advantage data, I had, but it was lost (so I need people to help me do it again). I still own Jab data (SS), but I don't have non-SS due to the fact that it's horribly long and I don't have the free time to waste on testing it by myself.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Dragon Dancing is what we started calling DR because idk. (I was even gonna name a few DR applications after dance moves to go with the theme.) Okay now you're missing some stuff in your first 2 vids (EGGROLL OMFG EGGROLL MAD GOOD but yeah) so you can probably Just add those later on. And the Hitbubbles for moves involving Yoshis tail seem to be messed up so put that in a notation somewhere if you're still gonna do it.

 

[FF WuvS]

I believe in "Jabs & Tilts" I put in there that the Tail attacks aren't showing properly (I can't remember my exact wording) but I also thought that was true. I'll also add that when I make the aerial video (which I'm doing now.) I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought that.
Also, I added Eggroll in my Special video :o Just not examples because I couldn't think of/find any that were too useful. Lol D:

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Eggroll has some gimmicky stuff and some okay uses but it really isn't a good move technically. I just think it needs a better mention lol

 

[FF WuvS]

Can you show/make a video of its decent uses ;o? I'll be glad to let it shine, I just couldn't think of anything proper with it lol.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Eggroll Negation (i guess thats what we call it?)
Edge Eggroll

Use it to punish landings, use it randomly just to mix up your game in general. But you need to be smart with it. I don't exactly know how to describe it.

 

[FF WuvS]

I guess I could make something out of those. I knew about both of those, I just didn't think they were that major. I prefer BBrawl's version of Egg Roll where it has 7% Super Armor and doesn't cause helpless. Nonetheless, I'll try to make this flashy.

 

[Airborne]

I guess I'll have to start on a different tangent with Unleashing The Egg now, won't I? =\

Good stuff though. I'll try to add input where I believe is needed.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Woah, egg roll beats out pit's angel ring... HAHA YES, TIME TO EGG ROLL THROUGH THE PIT NOOBS WHO SPAM IT!!! >:D

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

It also clanks with arrows. Makes approaching him kinda fun lol

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yesssssss, I am soooo gonna spam Egg Roll on Erk now :D

 

[Sharky]

1. Grounded Moves
   1. Jab
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
      4. Sweetspotted (SS)
         1. How Does It Work?
         2. Hitboxes
         3. Frame Data
      5. Non Sweetspotted (non-SS)
         1. How Does It Work?
         2. Hitboxes
         3. Frame Data
   2. Tilts
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
   3. Dash Attack
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
   4. Smashes
      1. Normal Uses
      2. Hitboxes
      3. Frame Data
2. Aerials
   1. Normal Uses
   2. Hitboxes
   3. Frame Data
3. Grabs
   1. Standing
   2. Dash
   3. Pivot
      1. Quick
      2. Sliding
4. Egg Lay
   1. Short Hop & Full Hop
   2. Double Jump Cancel (DJC)
   3. B - Reverse
   4. Turnaround
   5. Tongue Gimp
5. Grab Releases
   1. Who Can We Do It On?
   2. Cautions of Grab Releasing
   3. What Moves From It?
   4. Infinite On Wario?
   5. Irregular Grab Releases
6. Egg Toss
   1. How & When To Throw
   2. Egg Toss Slide (ETS)
   3. The Setup
      1. What Is It?
      2. How/When To Use It?
      3. Moves From Landing Setup?
7. Yoshi's Shield
   1. Why Is It Bad?
   2. How To Use It?
   3. Frame Data (AKA Shield Advantage)
8. Edges
   1. Egg Toss Canceling (ECE)
   2. Down - B Ledge Cancel
   3. Ledge Hugging
   4. Recovering From Ledge
9. Reliable Killers
   1. What Moves?
      1. F - Smash
      2. U - Smash
      3. U - Air
      4. Down - B
      5. F - Air
      6. N - Air
   2. Most Reliable?
10. Defensive
11. Aggressive
12. Stage Special
13. Matchup Advice
    1. Worst Matchups?
    2. Why Do We Have Problems With Them?
    3. How To Deal With Them
       1. Stages
       2. Playstyles
14. Dragon Dancing (used to be DR)
    1. What Is It?
    2. How Does It Work?
       1. Easiest Method?
          1. Wiimote
          2. WiiChuck
          3. Classic
          4. Gamecube
    3. Why Use It?
    4. Basic Applications

Here's your list with some additions from me. There's still a lot more information to be added before you have a complete series in my opinion. Also, I think it would benefit everyone if there was a written portion for this too (contributed & reviewed by everyone at least). That way, updating won't nearly be as hard.

And for the record, don't use Dragonic Egg Lay anymore because it's the same thing as DJC Egg Lay. Also, you don't have to add in the frame data part. I just listed those cause they're still important for knowing what your character can do.

Edit: Added a few more. Damn. Sharky, you could use this outline for your guide since you said you had to revamp it.

copy/pasted to my computer. but damn. so....much...stuff....*dead*

 

[Scatz]

I guess I'll have to start on a different tangent with Unleashing The Egg now, won't I? =\

Good stuff though. I'll try to add input where I believe is needed.

Why don't you just work with Lost so you two can split up the work?

copy/pasted to my computer. but damn. so....much...stuff....*dead*

Lol, that was just off the top of my head too. XD

 

[Z'zgashi]

ummm, I'd like to help, but I doubt I can much... I'll just help out on questions in the Q&As more instead lol

 

[FF WuvS]

Why don't you just work with Lost so you two can split up the work?

The more the merrier lol. And it'll just go by faster so we can get more projects in!

Also the "Aerials" Video should be up later today, I just have to put in a few more clips and export it! (I'll try HD again, but no promises since the music doesn't like to export with it.)

EDIT: WHOO Part 3 is up! Get Hyped =D -cough-

 

[Airborne]

Why don't you just work with Lost so you two can split up the work?

Airborne flies solo. >:O

...wow unintentional pun. but yeah, in all seriousness, I feel that UTE was sorta off on its own tangent anyways... while his is a tutorial, mine feels more of just tips and tricks on a more personal/mental level.

I could make it more of a follow-up to The Yoshi Guide. <3

 

[FF WuvS]

Lol good pun.
Also, if it's more of a Tips & Tricks "guide" rather then an actual guide, that would be great because Celes and I were talking about how I'm missing some good tips/tricks in my guide (though we could just work on those later) , yours would be better since you're working on those. We could just video response videos if you didn't care~

 

[Scatz]

Well then, if that's the case, then you can make yours the advanced portion of the guide that Lost isn't covering (assuming his is a basic guide). That way, both parts are covered and yours (air) would be for Yoshi users that are looking to increase their skills past the basics.

 

[FF WuvS]

Pretty much whatever that guide that you made me is what my guides will have. I may add some additional things, but I want people to know a lot of what Yoshi can do through my guide. I don't think I would have cared so much if I was the basic and Air was the advance, but my videos are being shown on the Miyamoto Cup Youtube channel (not sure if that'll get too popular or not, but nonetheless) so I want my videos to be overall good with knowledge/skills.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

I was thinking that lol. Losts can be Basics and Airs could be In depth (kinda like how Shiri's Melee guide was). And oh do you have Uses for dash attack? Its another imo Underrated move

 

[Delta-cod]

Dash Attack is good for pushing someone out if they're a bit past the ledge (not sweetspotting). It's also good for breaking walls (Marth.)

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

You forget what i like to call LOLOLOLOLOL YOU DIDN'T JUMP, ATTACK OR TECH IMMA DASH ATTACK YOU AGAIN LOLOLOLOL combo. Its so legit

 

[FF WuvS]

Dash attack imo is an uber legit move :o I think I probably over-use a tad lol.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Dash attack is good for making reads as well. The positions a successful DA put you in can be sooooo godly! <3

 

[FF WuvS]

Yeah that is like the only can I really use when I read people. If I'm distanced properly, I'll do some Smashes/Aerials, but typically Dash Attack is my choice. And it can lead to decent setups too, imo.

EDIT: If videos are slower then normal, it's because I'm doing a lot of college stuff and whatnot, so that's holding up production. I should have Dash Attack & Smashes by the end of this week however.

 

[Rockstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5oWyROwvk Nebraska's Peach vs Nebraska's Yoshi. Amazing comeback at the end

 

[Gamegenie222]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5oWyROwvk Nebraska's Peach vs Nebraska's Yoshi. Amazing comeback at the end

That DarkYoshi kid doesn't travel OOS nor has an account man.

 

[Sharky]

doesn't mean it can't be posted. =/

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Im more concerned with the fact that it was posted in the wrong thread. Lol

 

[Rockstar]

Ha my bad. I couldnt find the yoshi video thread, so assumed this as an alternative.

 

[FF WuvS]

I don't want to leave you all hanging, so this is what's going on.

Bottom Line: My friend broke BOTH of my USB Drives, and since this is my only computer, I can't use my Dazzle to gather footage. I got some estimates for how much the repairs would cost, sadly it will cost as much as the laptop was ($300+) to repair it. So everything has been bad =[

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

That really sucks tbh. Get your friend over there to pay for it. Sounds like its his fault.