The Legendary Heroes of Galar - Zacian and Zamazenta for Smash

[LukeRNG]

I guess it depends on if Nintendo asked for a Pokemon and let Samurai have creative freedom with it too. Then it'll edge on if Sakurai went unpredictable as usual and chose a important mon that no one was expecting. I could definitely see them going the extra mile with it when Hero has three different gimmicks in one character, Terry having all the stuff that he has and the Pokemon Trainer.

It'd also depend of how long the character would take to develop. I wouldn't put it past Sakurai to have diled down a character's moveset a tad for either time constraints or bloated complexity.

Even though i think Galar has a great selection to pick from, i can't say I'm on board with the current "gimmicks" people are coming up with. Which is why i'm anticipating very anxiously to see what Sakurai does with whatever pokemon he picks and i low key hope it's a pokemon i really like so i don't feel the same way i did to Incineroar's reveal trailer (though it did grow up on me).


And for everyone interested in the dub of the new anime, the release date for the first episode is on June 12th.

 

[Brodemmars]

Actually you can watch the first few episodes of the dub right now. Canada has been airing episodes starting from last week.

 

[Trevenant]

It'd also depend of how long the character would take to develop. I wouldn't put it past Sakurai to have diled down a character's moveset a tad for either time constraints or bloated complexity.

Even though i think Galar has a great selection to pick from, i can't say I'm on board with the current "gimmicks" people are coming up with. Which is why i'm anticipating very anxiously to see what Sakurai does with whatever pokemon he picks and i low key hope it's a pokemon i really like so i don't feel the same way i did to Incineroar's reveal trailer (though it did grow up on me).


And for everyone interested in the dub of the new anime, the release date for the first episode is on June 12th.

Yeah that matters too. I think it would be less gimmicky and more unique as headbutts, paw swipes and body rams comprising the majority of a moveset is unseen in smash and bite attacks are uncommon too. Itd be less gimmicky but more unique. But I guess the ball is in Sakurais court in whatever alternate universe this may happen in.

 

[LukeRNG]

Yeah that matters too. I think it would be less gimmicky and more unique as headbutts, paw swipes and body rams comprising the majority of a moveset is unseen in smash and bite attacks are uncommon too. Itd be less gimmicky but more unique. But I guess the ball is in Sakurais court in whatever alternate universe this may happen in.

While i woull really want either legendary wolf, Dragapult or Toxtricity to be picked, on the back of my head it keeps whispering cinderace... rillaboom... cinderace... rillaboom...

 

[fogbadge]

While i woull really want either legendary wolf, Dragapult or Toxtricity to be picked, on the back of my head it keeps whispering cinderace... rillaboom... cinderace... rillaboom...

but not intelleon?

 

[Cosmic77]

This is somewhat relevant to the current conversation; one gimmick that I'm tired of seeing is rhythm-based attacks. Almost every time a potential music themed character is brought up, that's the first idea people have for their moveset. Wouldn't you know, we have two musical Pokemon this time around.

Maybe I'm restricting myself because of Rhythm Heaven, but I don't think a moveset like this is very fitting for Rillaboom or Toxtricity. If it were just one attack then I might be fine with it.

 

[Trevenant]

This is somewhat relevant to the current conversation; one gimmick that I'm tired of seeing is rhythm-based attacks. Almost every time a potential music themed character is brought up, that's the first idea people have for their moveset. Wouldn't you know, we have two musical Pokemon this time around.

Maybe I'm restricting myself because of Rhythm Heaven, but I don't think a moveset like this is very fitting for Rillaboom or Toxtricity. If it were just one attack then I might be fine with it.

Yeah I do agree. At least with rhythm heaven it is actually a major part of the series while with those Pokemon specifically nothing suggests they should do it outside of musical motifs.

 

[LukeRNG]

but not intelleon?

While i don't have any evidence of such, it's just my personal gut feeling that Inteleon is the least likely out of the three (even though it's the starter i'd want to have join the most).

 

[Cosmic77]

While i don't have any evidence of such, it's just my personal gut feeling that Inteleon is the least likely out of the three (even though it's the starter i'd want to have join the most).

I'd argue Rillaboom is the least likely.

One, because it's blatantly easier to make a moveset for the other two starters. You've got a large, bulky gorilla who bangs on a huge drum vs two slim and agile Pokemon — one who excels at kicking projectiles, and the other sniping.

Two, it's gotten significantly less promotion than the Scorbunny line. After Sobble's appearance in the anime, it might be getting less promotion than its line as well.

 

[fogbadge]

While i don't have any evidence of such, it's just my personal gut feeling that Inteleon is the least likely out of the three (even though it's the starter i'd want to have join the most).

thats fair, gut feelings is what smash speculation boils down to

I'd argue Rillaboom is the least likely.

One, because it's blatantly easier to make a moveset for the other two starters. You've got a large, bulky gorilla who bangs on a huge drum vs two slim and agile Pokemon — one who excels at kicking projectiles, and the other sniping.

Two, it's gotten significantly less promotion than the Scorbunny line. After Sobble's appearance in the anime, it might be getting less promotion than its line as well.

you would hope that a dev team willing to turn PP into a fighter wouldnt be hampered by someone like rillaboom.

its difficult to tell where the animes gonna go, especially these days

 

[LukeRNG]

I do wonder if this will somehow impact the anime's pacing given that it doesn't seem that development of the games isn't slowed down (as we know of).

And even more so, will the launch of generation 9 be impacted by this pandemic slowing things down. Most generations tend to last 3 years.

 

[fogbadge]

I do wonder if this will somehow impact the anime's pacing given that it doesn't seem that development of the games isn't slowed down (as we know of).

And even more so, will the launch of generation 9 be impacted by this pandemic slowing things down. Most generations tend to last 3 years.

im worried they'll make a virus pokemon

 

[LukeRNG]

im worried they'll make a virus pokemon

Well Porygon-Z is taken over by a virus...

Though i don't really know what country would be fit to have a virus pokemon to begin with (and also given how pokemon as a franchise seeks to pander to every person possible on the planet, so they always try to stay away from political or sensitive subjects).

 

[fogbadge]

Well Porygon-Z is taken over by a virus...

Though i don't really know what country would be fit to have a virus pokemon to begin with (and also given how pokemon as a franchise seeks to pander to every person possible on the planet, so they always try to stay away from political or sensitive subjects).

yeah a virus poekmon does seem like something to avoid, but it would not be the strangest pokemon

and lets face it theres a fair few pokemon who could kill us all

 

[Cosmic77]

I do wonder if this will somehow impact the anime's pacing given that it doesn't seem that development of the games isn't slowed down (as we know of).

And even more so, will the launch of generation 9 be impacted by this pandemic slowing things down. Most generations tend to last 3 years.

Sakurai said DLC is going smoothly because his team is so small.

A large-scale game like a new pair of Pokemon games is a whole different ball game, and depending on how long this lasts, I see one of two things happening. The first is that the pace for new releases is slowed down, and Gen 8 lasts four years. It's likely that whatever game they planned on releasing next (possibly Gen 4 remakes) has already gotten a decent chunk of work done, so dropping the project and moving on to Gen 9 for the time being wouldn't be wise. The second is that the next Gen is rushed in order to meet deadlines.

 

[LukeRNG]

Sakurai said DLC is going smoothly because his team is so small.

A large-scale game like a new pair of Pokemon games is a whole different ball game, and depending on how long this lasts, I see one of two things happening. The first is that the pace for new releases is slowed down, and Gen 8 lasts four years. It's likely that whatever game they planned on releasing next (possibly Gen 4 remakes) has already gotten a decent chunk of work done, so dropping the project and moving on to Gen 9 for the time being wouldn't be wise. The second is that the next Gen is rushed in order to meet deadlines.

Let's just hope TPC is smart enough to draw out generation 8 so the next gen games aren't rushed. The anime is also currently on hiatus, so unless they had a lot of pointless filler it shouldn't be rushed either.

yeah a virus poekmon does seem like something to avoid, but it would not be the strangest pokemon

and lets face it theres a fair few pokemon who could kill us all

The touchy subject i was refering to wasn't if the pokemon would kill us, it's if said virus pokemon wouldn't be offensive to someone (like basing it off of the black plague or something).

 

[fogbadge]

The touchy subject i was refering to wasn't if the pokemon would kill us, it's if said virus pokemon wouldn't be offensive to someone (like basing it off of the black plague or something).

they would probably stay away from controversial subjects, thats why they didnt make that dolly the sheep pokemon, so i cant see them doing something like that, maybe something a bit more low key

 

[zacian]

I’m coming up with some ideas for a Wild Area stage, but I’m kinda having a hard time finding spots that would be good for a stage. Do you guys have any suggestions?

 

[Cosmic77]

I’m coming up with some ideas for a Wild Area stage, but I’m kinda having a hard time finding spots that would be good for a stage. Do you guys have any suggestions?

How about these?

Keep in mind that you don't have to depend entirely on the layout. You can add floating platforms too.

 

[LukeRNG]

I'm definitely looking foward to all the people using the new pokemon stage as ammo against SwSh's graphics. "Why does this stage of the galar region look so much better than pokemon Sword & Shield?! How pathetic!"

 

[Pokelego999]

I'm definitely looking foward to all the people using the new pokemon stage as ammo against SwSh's graphics. "Why does this stage of the galar region look so much better than pokemon Sword & Shield?! How pathetic!"

How much would you bet that's gonna happen?
On the topic of that, I saw this youtube comment from a very serious guy who said that EA and Game Freak are similar to one another. How you could compare these two, I don't know.

 

[fogbadge]

i have a nagging feeling im not going to be able to stand goh

 

[zacian]

They’re giving out some Galar Forms through Mystery Gift to prepare for the Isle of Armor. It goes on for 4 weeks.
(Also sorry if this appears just as a link, I don’t know to how to display tweets fully) https://twitter.com/nintendoamerica/status/1263862422193889282?s=21

 

[LukeRNG]

They’re giving out some Galar Forms through Mystery Gift to prepare for the Isle of Armor. It goes on for 4 weeks.
(Also sorry if this appears just as a link, I don’t know to how to display tweets fully) https://twitter.com/nintendoamerica/status/1263862422193889282?s=21

There's a section when writing the post that looks like three dots that is called insert (it's next to the smily face). You click on it, then choose Media and then insert the url of the tweet then you hit continue.

How much would you bet that's gonna happen?
On the topic of that, I saw this youtube comment from a very serious guy who said that EA and Game Freak are similar to one another. How you could compare these two, I don't know.

Well, i guess that's what happens when they say things they shouldn't have said. To be fair, Gamefreak wasn't wholy transparent in regards to the dex cut. They first say it's to improve animations & visuals (that they supposedly had to remake every model from scratch which is up for debate as to wether it's translated well), they then leave an empty statement that does nothing to help the angry fans; and then they change it to improve the competitive scene. I do think they should've said so from the start.
Given the amount of content in SwSh not being anything to write home about and they go and announce dlc expansions 2 months after launch, did you not expect people to be mad at the lack of content for a $60 game and saying that they're selling us the "postgame" for extra money? I don't fully agree as they never promised such for launch but i wasn't surprised in the slightest when the backlash came after.

Other than lack of transparency they share nothing in common. It's not GF's fault that people got overhyped for a potential AAA open-world Pokemon game when they promised nothing (we can thank false leakers giving them too many ideas for a huge pokemon experience). I don't see much complainig from Kirby Star Allies or even past kirby games being very similar and not changing things up (though they said they hope the next one will be the pinnacle of Kirby).

I know this mindset isn't pretty, but not every franchise in the world has to change & innovate. As much as i'd love to see pokemon be taken to the next level in it's narrative and region exploration, i'm in no particular hurry to get there as i personally play many other games that already innovate and change things up. But i understand how frustrating it is for people who exclusively play pokemon and yearn for so much more.

 

[Brodemmars]

So I just heard that some people have datamined the latest update from Pokémon HOME. In addition to Jungle Healing they found 21 new moves. I’m going to look into it and see if it’s legit, but I would appreciate it if anyone else can vouch for or verify this leak.

Filtrados 21 nuevos movimientos del DLC de Pokémon Espada y Escudo -> https://t.co/3Mg0yTgJKC pic.twitter.com/wUBS1vToaK

— Centro Pokémon (@CentroPokemon) May 23, 2020

Spoiler: List of new moves

Expanding Force
Steel Roller
Scale Shot
Meteor Beam
Shell Side Arm
Misty Explosion
Grassy Glide
Rising Voltage
Terrain Pulse
Skitter Smack
Burning Jealousy
Lash Out
Poltergeist
Corrosive Gas
Coaching
Flip Turn
Triple Axel
Dual Wingbeat
Scorching Sands
Wicked Blow
Surging Strikes

 

[fogbadge]

So I just heard that some people have datamined the latest update from Pokémon HOME. In addition to Jungle Healing they found 21 new moves. I’m going to look into it and see if it’s legit, but I would appreciate it if anyone else can vouch for or verify this leak.

Filtrados 21 nuevos movimientos del DLC de Pokémon Espada y Escudo -> https://t.co/3Mg0yTgJKC pic.twitter.com/wUBS1vToaK

— Centro Pokémon (@CentroPokemon) May 23, 2020

Spoiler: List of new moves

Expanding Force
Steel Roller
Scale Shot
Meteor Beam
Shell Side Arm
Misty Explosion
Grassy Glide
Rising Voltage
Terrain Pulse
Skitter Smack
Burning Jealousy
Lash Out
Poltergeist
Corrosive Gas
Coaching
Flip Turn
Triple Axel
Dual Wingbeat
Scorching Sands
Wicked Blow
Surging Strikes

cant vouch for the leak but it sounds believable, dont know why.

 

[LukeRNG]

So I just heard that some people have datamined the latest update from Pokémon HOME. In addition to Jungle Healing they found 21 new moves. I’m going to look into it and see if it’s legit, but I would appreciate it if anyone else can vouch for or verify this leak.

Filtrados 21 nuevos movimientos del DLC de Pokémon Espada y Escudo -> https://t.co/3Mg0yTgJKC pic.twitter.com/wUBS1vToaK

— Centro Pokémon (@CentroPokemon) May 23, 2020

Spoiler: List of new moves

Expanding Force
Steel Roller
Scale Shot
Meteor Beam
Shell Side Arm
Misty Explosion
Grassy Glide
Rising Voltage
Terrain Pulse
Skitter Smack
Burning Jealousy
Lash Out
Poltergeist
Corrosive Gas
Coaching
Flip Turn
Triple Axel
Dual Wingbeat
Scorching Sands
Wicked Blow
Surging Strikes

We could be getting some Isle of Armor news very soon. I'd say either this or next week.

 

[zacian]

June 5th is next week, so it’s almost the first anniversary since Zacian and Zamazenta got revealed

 

[fogbadge]

June 5th is next week, so it’s almost the first anniversary since Zacian and Zamazenta got revealed

what a year its been for the pokemon fandom

 

[Pokelego999]

June 5th is next week, so it’s almost the first anniversary since Zacian and Zamazenta got revealed

Also known as the day Wooloo became an existing creature.

 

[LukeRNG]

Also known as the day Wooloo became an existing creature.

And the beginning of the shortest timespan where the majority of the pokemon community was universally excited for SwSh.

 

[fogbadge]

And the beginning of the shortest timespan where the majority of the pokemon community was universally excited for SwSh.

so short so sweet

 

[Cosmic77]

Nice little article that talks about the significance of Zacian and Zamazenta.

The author might be overselling them a little, but I definitely agree with him when he says they stand out among past boxart Legendaries.

 

[Pokelego999]

Nice little article that talks about the significance of Zacian and Zamazenta.

The author might be overselling them a little, but I definitely agree with him when he says they stand out among past boxart Legendaries.

Mainly cause they ain't humongous for once

 

[fogbadge]

Mainly cause they ain't humongous for once

you still have to shrink them just a little

 

[Pokelego999]

you still have to shrink them just a little

That is true.

 

[zacian]

Nice little article that talks about the significance of Zacian and Zamazenta.

The author might be overselling them a little, but I definitely agree with him when he says they stand out among past boxart Legendaries.

Wynebgwrthucher sounds like really cool name

 

[Cosmic77]

Mainly cause they ain't humongous for once

Both are still pretty huge and taller than nine feet. This is a comparison between Zacian and a five-foot man.

Both are just a few inches shorter than Xerneus, who sort of cheats by gaining an extra foot or two thanks to it's antlers.

 

[Pokelego999]

Both are still pretty huge and taller than nine feet. This is a comparison between Zacian and a five-foot man.

View attachment 273149

Both are just a few inches shorter than Xerneus, who sort of cheats by gaining an extra foot or two thanks to it's antlers.

They don't really look that large honestly.

 

[fogbadge]

Both are still pretty huge and taller than nine feet. This is a comparison between Zacian and a five-foot man.

View attachment 273149

Both are just a few inches shorter than Xerneus, who sort of cheats by gaining an extra foot or two thanks to it's antlers.

i think theyre smaller than ridley