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Thanks for the vid, looks good! Yeah Brawl Luigi feels good, especially his Nair, recovery, and bair. I really miss the combos in Smash 4 though that I can pull off, I can't pull off much in Brawl. Killing power in both F-Smash and nair feels beautiful though.
But melee Luigi though
Also I think once GCC's roll in, smash 4 Luigi will probably be the best designed Luigi thus far, because of a better recovery.
I can definitely see it, he'll be better than Brawl for sure if his recovery game can get back to standard. I've actually experienced more early success with Smash4 Luigi then I did in early Brawl, having taken some sets (albeit Wifi) from good players and I feel I can actually compete in this early stage in the game.
A very good trick I like to pull off is fireball at a small distance on ground level, then you run in with a dash attack and the majority of the time they will shield the fireball then unshield as the dash attack comes in. Very good for tricking the opponent, though I probably should switch that dash attack for a dash grab which is much safer.
The recovery is my first request for a change followed by a reduction in size of the blast zones to solve KO problems. I fear they may nerf his d-throw if that was the case.
No! Not the d-throw! Please Sakurai, anything but the d-throw!
Has that actually been confirmed for the Wii U version? That would be great if so!
About the side b, I'm not sure.
Yeah it's not too bad on the GCC. Brawl and PM down b mashing is a lot easier with the best controller ever created.
Is this only if they trade with the cylcone? Or does that initial hitbox meteor them? I can't seem to get it
I've been able to do that a few times, but I dunno where the meteor hitbox is. It seems to be underneath Luigi's hands?
I think tornado is great, fireball is ok, missile is horrible [not the customs] and up B is bad this game.
What's good about tornado. I've been experimenting to try and find the best times to use it. So far I've found that it's good for landing when the opponent is trying to up smash you, you can tornado away from them and move into them for a punish (if that makes sense), but I still have the problem of people popping out of the tornado and punishing me, sometimes I can block and punish their aerial.
Three out of four are essential to his recovery (Missile, Cyclone and Up-B).
Its good for racking up damage and kiling of the top (although its very hard to get and can be punished if missed). You can also do dthrow > double fair > tornado for some extra damage.
I think Up B is good, especially when they hit your shield and you punish with it. It's not as strong as brawl's but it gets the job done. It's hard to hit with aerial up b, but i guess practice makes perfect.
The Fireball is better in this game in my opinion. It's not the best projectile out there, but it helps Luigi approach and space more. I dunno why, but I feel as though it improved since Brawl.
I should've posted something entirely different. My problem was basically realizing how overbalanced Luigi was compared to rest of the cast. Like how Dr. Mario's upb kills about the percentage that our fsmash kills (115% I think vs mario), but has exponentially more range, and I feel it's less punishable as well, also I think it has more range than Luigi's custom. I'm just upset with a lot decisions they made with him. I feel like the chance for a misfire should increase with each level, even if it was a misfire every time it still loses to fireballs, and I think people can trade regular hits with it (not sure). I just feel like other characters like Yoshi and Greninja (to name a few) can have their cake and eat it too, while Luigi has to suffer because under uncommon conditions he can be god like.
I don't think it's underated at all. It's slow and punishable, so it kinda sucks, but it's god like when you can take out the risk, which is what I believe you were saying. Like when you're punishing. This is why I've been asking for frame data and misfire set-ups (any kind of safe missile). It's godlike because you have nothing to lose (when it's not punishable) and if you hit a misfire you can kill them below 100.
Luigi has the lowest traction in the game (and this in line with his Mario series appearances), so he slides back very far when his shield is hit. This basically throws punishing slow, powerful attacks as Luigi out the window. Pretty annoying, actually, but at least it's the same as how he has low traction in the Mario series, so there's that xD.
Green missile misfire I think is Luigi's only redeeming factor for that particular move. I killed a Pikachu online from the other side of the stage after just barely tapping him with it...at 50%. Also recovers well enough to get back safely, yet not SD like in Melee.
This is something I'm not very happy with at all about Smash 4
*thinks back to Brawl days when Luigi would auto-snap*.
That SNAFU alone is the reason I quit Luigi.This is something I'm not very happy with at all about Smash 4
I think it is that hit box.
That combined with no more vertical Vectoring (i.e, Luigi KOs much earlier now, taking into consideration how many of his KO moves send them straight up), and yes, Luigi is looking excellent.
That's awesome! Good luck! Do you think you'll be able to get any replays?
It might be streamed, but I'm not sure. if it does, ill link you guys the archives. Only problem is that i wont be able to practice with a gcc since i dont have the game atm lol. But ill do my best
