The Jiggz Match-Up Thread

[Mike B]

How effective is falling pound against predictable UAir when approaching high?

 

[Framerate]

Imagine pounding into two hammers.

 

[Hylian]

if the ICs recover, they will mostly use sideB cause it rox as a recovery (if both are together)
they cant grab the edge with that, so they have to get on the stage -> rest out of side B is possible but u need a bit training

IC's can grab the edge with squall.

 

[00-Zero]

IC's can grab the edge with squall.

Qft. Idk where you heard that you couldn't. That's just not true. Also, I think that pound only beats our u-air if it hits us, not our hammers iIrc. I'll check it out later and let you know.

 

[Tham]

ok ... so im miss informed ... im sorry

 

[Ixisnaugus]

Hey Jigglypuff's. Us Bowser's are discussing you so we'd really appreciate anyone with fair knowledge leaving us an opinion on the matchup.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9491510&posted=1#post9491510

 

[alex073088]

how is pikachu's dsmash escapable i thought it was broken

 

[Metatitan]

Hi Alex....

 

[GeneralWoodman]

something fishy is going on here......

 

[Framerate]

how is pikachu's dsmash escapable i thought it was broken

DI up......

 

[alex073088]

Hi Alex....

hey metatitan

 

[Mike B]

hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex

10alexes

 

[alex073088]

hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex hi alex

10alexes

hi there mike

 

[AfroTwist ShadowPie]

Hey guys, it'd be really nice if someone could take time and contribute on the Link vs. Jiggz match-up
http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=125768

>_>
Doesn't look like you're TOO busy discussing match-ups here anyway

 

[Kason Birdman]

single IC downthrow im guessing wouldnt chain jiggs, so she has that. but besides that... IC's are just too **** good

 

[Vmage]

single IC downthrow im guessing wouldnt chain jiggs, so she has that. but besides that... IC's are just too **** good

I think Jigglypuff is at a disadvantage against Ic since grabing them would leave you open for the partner to attack. This forces you to do a fast throw so that you won't be left open. Also their recovery is very good.

 

[Kason Birdman]

I dont know enough about IC's to contribute to this matchup.

ya'll need to start talkin about snake. or did i miss that?

Vmage you from canada? you play melee at all?

 

[Vmage]

I dont know enough about IC's to contribute to this matchup.

ya'll need to start talkin about snake. or did i miss that?

Vmage you from canada? you play melee at all?

Unfortuneatly, I don't have melee and never tried it. (I really want to give it a try)

The match up chart is sooo blank. I need the match up ratios. But if you look at the smash wiki, you can see other character match ups against Jigglypuff.

 

[Noobicidal]

The match up chart is sooo blank. I need the match up ratios. But if you look at the smash wiki, you can see other character match ups against Jigglypuff.

It's not due to a lack of trying by any means. Whenever the thread gets bumped, it dies within a week.

 

[teluoborg]

IC's can grab the edge with squall.

It's true, but Squall's grab the ledge like Wario's up B.
Except you can bounce off the ledge and die.


Oh hey, I'm answering a 4 months old post !

 

[Kason Birdman]

should move onto someone like.. falco.. or fox... or snake.. or... uh.. peach.
or i dont care. something to get a convo started

 

[Vmage]

I can't figure out Jigglypuff's average ratio match up. We are not even discussing match ups. We should play more.

 

[Veril]

Just something to note on Jiggs throws that's important for the ICs.

f-throw [38-13=25] b-throw [50-26=24]* up-throw [42-9=33]* d-throw [87-64=23]

Don't use d-throw. Don't use b-throw either unless they are waaay far apart. Up-throw is single hit and doesn't produce a secondary hitbox, it's also ∂W. Since this is brawl that doesn't matter and you'll get f***ed anyway. Don't up-throw.

f-throw actually isn't that bad, though grabbing the ICs is incredibly risky and situational. It produces a secondary hitbox, which makes punishing somewhat more difficult. It also is impossible for most people to DI on reaction because the ROF is early. Its not a ∂W throw so the data here is accurate for the ICs with no extra math needed.

tl;dr: f-throw is the least punishable by the ICs.

 

[Throwback]

surely being on the ground that close to IC's is what you want to avoid anyway? Also what does that weird symbol in relation to the frame data mean?

 

[-LzR-]

I LOL'd at MK MU. Please, let's do it again, the MU is impossible.

 

[Framerate]

I LOL'd at MK MU. Please, let's do it again, the MU is impossible.

I know, right?

And we still have G&W as a 15:85 MU lol...

Shuttle loop, shuttle loop, shuttle loop, dair camp, d-smash d-smash lol.

 

[Kason Birdman]

oh the game and watch match up isnt THAT crazy.

atleast a 17:83 i would say

 

[Framerate]

Mebbe on wifi.

Don't run into smashes.

Tech the down throw.

Learn the timing to punish bair spam.

Learn to punish up-b oos.



GG G&W.

 

[Kason Birdman]

up-b OoS? with who?

not jiggs i hope, rofl

 

[-LzR-]

Even thought everyone think Gdubz is pathetic, he is still unwinnable. And Jiggz has the best UpB OoS, it makes the opponents completely vulnerable!

 

[Framerate]

He is very easily winnable. Just don't be dumb.

 

[Cornballer]

This is probably the most even matchup in Brawl. I just got out of tournament where I won against the climbers. Gf. Oh did I mention... Championship match... and I hadn't played Brawl in like a month, only melee.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

and I hadn't played Brawl in like a month, only melee.

You say that like its a bad thing, that is probably why you won.

=p

 

[Kason Birdman]

how long is a week in match-up discussion time?

 

[Noobicidal]

how long is a week in match-up discussion time?

Four months so far.

 

[Vmage]

To Jigglypuff users who are entering MLG.
Please tell us your experince in the tournament when facing Ice Climbers. This will help us figure out Jigglypuffs strengths and weakness against Ice Climbers.

 

[Teh-Shlurpie]

with our superior air game and fast air maneuvrability i can see this matchup being alright for jiggs
upair poses a threat but if played safely it can be avoidable

chaingrabs become a problem if you stay on the ground for extended periods of time

most of jiggly's aerials can desync them and with some effort can even seperate them, meaning nana can be juggled

however

i think their blizzard walls can be a threat if we're running low on jumps and need to land

their forward smash can kill us reasonably early if they CG us to an edge or even get a hit after some upairs

i would most likely say that it is a 45:55 matchup because of our superior air game and they only beat us by their ability to KO us at low%

 

[Framerate]

Has anyone ever been CG'd as puff before? I've played a couple good ICs and they've all had trouble with the chain grab. At the very least it's a strange timing and thus gives us a little more room for error as far as avoiding grabs is concerned.

 

[Karcist]

I'm simply not seeing how Jiggs goes 45-55 with MK... at all...

 

[GeneralWoodman]

Has anyone ever been CG'd as puff before? I've played a couple good ICs and they've all had trouble with the chain grab. At the very least it's a strange timing and thus gives us a little more room for error as far as avoiding grabs is concerned.

vinnie/PNG cg'd me to over 100 at dso with ic.
his game and watch was also really good with the grab combos...i definitely need a secondary for that guy...