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What is Nana and Popo’s relationship?

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Welcome!
In 2014, a small but notable tragedy took place...
While the new entry in the Super Smash Bros series was much anticipated and met with enormous acclaim, one couldn't help but notice something was missing:
The Ice Climbers.
"Even if I cram in as many fighters as I can, there are some people who are focused on the few who didn’t make it back. Among them are the Ice Climbers, who were playable during development on the Wii U. However, moving the two as a pair required significant processing power. The 3DS was already being pushed to its limit, and I couldn’t get them to work no matter how hard I tried, so I gave up on them. The other fighters had to be whittled and pared down until I could get them to work, so it was simply unavoidable.

I couldn’t get them to work no matter how hard I tried: I removed as many joints as I possibly could, and even when I removed certain effects, like gravity, they still wouldn’t work. Olimar and his Pikmin were also extremely difficult, but I managed to at least get them to work.

Also, characters and series that have no plans for future releases, or a low possibility of future releases, inevitably will be considered lower priority. Furthermore, transferring them from Melee would be difficult because the original data is old."
-Masahiro Sakurai (via Soma at Source Gaming)

But alas, with the new Smash for Switch announced, there is a large chance they’ll make a comeback!

1. The data for them already exists in the Wii U version. It would be very easy to re-implement them into the game with a certain percentage already being completed.
2. It doesn't seem like exclusivity would be a problem. The 3DS "had its opportunity" and part of goal Smash for Switch would be to encourage people to purchase one, therefore it would need to have exclusives to die for.
3. They are a beloved veteran and given their seniority, the creativity linked to Sakurai, and their whole gimmick, I can't imagine Sakurai would let them "disappear" and be prevented from the roster. Relevance is not always related to a characters inclusion. Rather, a characters identity may actually be more correlated with Smash then the very game of origination.
And of course, if you support the idea of the Ice Climbers making a return, go ahead and let AnonymousMoon AnonymousMoon know, and you’ll be enrolled.

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“C'mon, Nintendo. Don't be so cold-hearted. It'd be really ice of you to bring back this very cool duo. With the switch, they can be unfrozen in time from Brawl. Mei the Climbers make their return!”
(Created by KeybladeSmasher KeybladeSmasher )


Now, without further ado...
LET THE DISCUSSIONS BEGIN!
 
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The Ice Climbers are easily the most likely veteran(s) to return as well as my most anticipated one(s). I wasn't TOO sad when I first heard that the Ice Climbers weren't present in Smash 4, but as time grew on I really began to miss them. Their unique design made them fun to play in Melee and Brawl, and with the changed grab mechanics in Smash 4 there shouldn't be any wobbling in the game for people to complain about. Smash for Switch is the perfect time to bring them back now that the 3ds isn't here to hold them down, and I'd welcome them with open arms.
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C'mon, Nintendo. Don't be so cold-hearted. It'd be really ice of you to bring back this very cool duo. With the switch, they can be unfrozen in time from Brawl. Mei the Climbers make their return!
I'm really tempted to implement this in the main page somehow.
 
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I have a question -- can people change their username?

If that's the case, this list is going to be very confusing.
 

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I've been waiting for someone to make this thread.

If Smash Switch is an enhanced port, I could see that fourth mystery amiibo being for Ice Climbers.
If Smash Switch is a "Deluxe" or "Definitive" edition then it would make sense the unused assets for Ice Climbers would be implemented.

Or at least I hope so!
 
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I've been waiting for someone to make this thread.

If Smash Switch is an enhanced port, I could see that fourth mystery amiibo being for Ice Climbers.
If Smash Switch is a "Deluxe" or "Definitive" edition then it would make sense the unused assets for Ice Climbers would be implemented.

Or at least I hope so!
It's actually very painful how likely I find them to be. With the aforementioned unused assets, the overall desire for cut vets, the specific seniority for this vet, the lack of 3DS fairness weighing the switch version down and the creativity behind the Climbers, I can't imagine any other cut vet getting in before them.
 
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I want them back.

It would be neat if they returned as grizzled, mangy, recovering alcoholics on account of being cut in the first place. But that might be too meta.
 

ryuu seika

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It's actually very painful how likely I find them to be. With the aforementioned unused assets, the overall desire for cut vets, the specific seniority for this vet, the lack of 3DS fairness weighing the switch version down and the creativity behind the Climbers, I can't imagine any other cut vet getting in before them.
This all the way. They have the slight challenge of removing the handoff chain grab but, assuming that the Switch can handle 16 characters on screen at a time, they should be shoo-ins.
 

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I wonder if they ever got to the model making stage. If they did, it didn't get far enough to use them for the trophy instead of the Brawl models.
 

Tortilla Noggin

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Just swinging by to pledge my support, from a fellow hammer-fighter to you ice-climbing types! :grin: I don't enjoy playing as the Ice Climbers, but I miss them nonetheless.

I'm confident that this will work out fine for you guys - I'm hoping for the best for you! :popo:

Smash for Switch is the perfect time to bring them back now that the 3ds isn't here to hold them down
the lack of 3DS fairness weighing the switch version down
In fairness, it seems fairly clear that Smash 3DS/Wii U partly functioned as a means to test out a versatile scalable engine. Without it, we would probably be waiting an awful lot longer for Smash Switch*, which'll be doing that scaling on just one machine, docked or undocked, instead of two. ;) (Not to mention that it was always odd that they added an eight-player mode to Smash Wii U, when eight-player local play is a big thing that's being promoted for the Switch... And so on. If you look closely, there's a lot of stuff like this.)

*Let's not forget that two high-up Nintendo of America staff have openly mentioned it at least four times this year, now, even though it has yet to be formally revealed. That's highly unusual. And that's in addition to Bandai-Namco's April 2014 job-listing for the game.

C'mon, Nintendo. Don't be so cold-hearted. It'd be really ice of you to bring back this very cool duo. With the switch, they can be unfrozen in time from Brawl. Mei the Climbers make their return!
That is absolutely appalling punning...

Therefore, I applaud you! :laugh:

I have a question -- can people change their username?

If that's the case, this list is going to be very confusing.
They can if they have Premium.
 
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I may of never been an Ice Climber main, but I always enjoyed playing as them when it came to having fun or messing around.

I was a bit upset that they had to be cut but understood the reason why they had to be. If we end up getting a Smash for the Switch, even if it's a port I see no reason why they can't be added in. The only thing that would get in the way is if the port still had to share similarities with the Wii U/3DS but I find that will be unlikely. They'll want to sell the port and (hopefully) have it influence more people to buy the Switch as well. That being said they'll have to make it worth-while to buy too, you know?

What better way to do that than add extra content? As the original post mentioned they were functional on the Wii U so it wouldn't take much to include them at all in the port. There's definitely other characters I would love to see in Smash, but I really feel like Ice Climbers deserve the first spot in the port (because again, they already had the work done and everything anyways).

They were robbed due to the 3DS's limitations. It's time to give them their rightful slot back.
 

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Thoughts on Chain grabs?

I flip flop personally, right now I think we're better off without them. I wouldn't mind not allowing Nana to be able to grab at all, and instead just allow for creative re grabs, really anything to not allow for infinites anymore.
 
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Thoughts on Chain grabs?

I flip flop personally, right now I think we're better off without them. I wouldn't mind not allowing Nana to be able to grab at all, and instead just allow for creative re grabs, really anything to not allow for infinites anymore.
They're best off gone. It's an unfair mechanic, and the changes made to grabs in Smash 3DS/Wii U work nicely and keep things fair.
 

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They're best off gone. It's an unfair mechanic, and the changes made to grabs in Smash 3DS/Wii U work nicely and keep things fair.
I have to agree with this. Chain Grabs in Brawl were BS, and caused alot of characters to suffer since they were often locked into long chain grabs and were often powerless to do anything about it.

I much prefer the system in Smash 4 where Chain Grabs are gone, and throws link into combos and setups. In general, you at least have a fighting chance to break a combo.
 

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I have to agree with this. Chain Grabs in Brawl were BS, and caused alot of characters to suffer since they were often locked into long chain grabs and were often powerless to do anything about it.
I much prefer the system in Smash 4 where Chain Grabs are gone, and throws link into combos and setups. In general, you at least have a fighting chance to break a combo.
I would love it if the regrab limit were adjusted for the Ice Climbers, increasing the time but having it apply to Nana and Popo separately so that grabbing an opponent out of a throw combo was a potential option but not a chainable one.
 
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Regarding the fourth unknown amiibo...could it be Ice Climbers?

I mean, obviously that pre-existing data would allow Nintendo to make an amiibo nice and quick. Don't know if that's quite how it works, but hey, it's something
 

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It's a shame they weren't compatible with the 3DS version, I miss the Ice Climbers, and I'm in favor of bringing back our infinite grab twins.
It's a WIP, and it's not both of them, but Sopo is slowly coming back at least. :b:
 
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