The Falcon Index thread: New Post of the Week by Magus!

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Welcome to the Captain Falcon index thread!

A project started by me on July 18th, 2011, this is a thread dedicated to keeping all of the information from that Captain Falcon forums alive.
As far as the actual thread goes:

This is a thread of indexed information, but it's also a Guide. If you need any help at all, I've tried to make things very easy to read by separating problem options into tabs. Everything is separated into characters, and the general tab into more basic folders [edgeguarding, stage positioning, di, etc]. I didn't save everything, but I saved everything that I felt was worth mentioning/talking about as far as match ups, captain falcon stuff, and playing this game in general.
If you need to copy individual links, you can rightclick+copy link location, or PM me and I can find it for you. I'm working on making this as easy as possible, so check back for that.

New Posts!
This is a section where you can see what was added recently, before it gets lost in the shuffle.

Newest posts



Post of the week!
Post of the week is a singular post that I feel needs the attention of everyone on the Falcon Boards. I'll try to keep it updated because I'm sorry if I don't.

This week our post comes from Magus, who describes how jab resets/any kind of forced get up works

I don't think I ever posted the details of how resets actually work.

If you are hit by an attack that does less than 7.00% while in the DownBound (bounce when you 1st hit the ground without teching) or DownWait (after the bounce when laying on the ground) actions you go into the DownDamage action during the knockback. This animation is 13 frames long (probably for all characters but I'm not positive).


If DownDamage ends while in the air you change actions to Fall (also canceling out any remaining hitstun you may have had), and you can jump/do whatever out of it or simply land on your feet if you touch the ground. This is very apparent on things like using a stale raptor boost or stale shine with Falco on a downed character, since the KB is powerful enough to send them far but is still able to do less than 7 dmg. They go flying upwards while in the fall animation and without hitstun.

A/S/DI upwards will help you get higher from the knockback and can be used to keep you in the air long enough for the animation to complete before landing and escape a reset. For whatever reason, you are allowed to A/S/DI non-tumble KBs with angles 0° or lower normally while in DownDamage. You normally can't A/SDI vertically or use any form of trajectory DI on them when on the ground.


If DownDamage ends while on the ground, however, you change actions to DownWait if you were still in hitstun or directly into DownStand if you were not. The former is what I would call an Option Tap Reset, and the latter an Optionless Tap Reset. If you are in DownWait you are forced to get up when hitstun ends, but you are also able to interrupt the animation with either a getup stand/roll/attack at any time before then.

For example, Fox's shine, Falco's laser, and Peach's jab 1 all have no knockback growth. The shine's KB is strong enough to stun all characters for 13+ frames, and so a reset will always be an OTR on all characters. The laser causes 12 or less stun on all characters and so the reset is always an OLTR. The jab causes 13+ stun for everyone that is Falco's weight or lighter and is an OTR on them, but 12 or less on everyone heavier and is an OLTR on those characters. For ones with KBG, Sheik's jab 1 and needles are an OLTR until they're around 40 or so depending on weight, and Jiggs' jab 1 is an OLTR until near 100 (really stupid).
tldr:

-The reset attack needs to do less than 7.00% damage
-They need to be back touching the ground after 13 frames of knockback. Because of this, A/S/DIing upwards will help you to escape a reset
-If hitstun is 12 frames or less they are forced into a stand getup only. If the stun is 13+ they have the option of standing, rolling, or attacking as their forced getup


Old posts of the week


Pic of the moment


If you have anything to add PM me!
So start reading, and keep learning, and hopefully this will be a never ending project of improvement! Enjoy! :embarrass:


Characters
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Ganondorf


Spacies [Fox/Falco]
1) Scar on the Falco Match up 1/7/09
2) Kage on the Fox Matchup 10/3/10
3) Magus on tech chase options versus spacies 12/9/09
4) BigD on how to react to spacies who side b from the ledge to get back on stage 12/22/09
5) Scar on illusions, not just at the ledge but above it as well 12/22/09
6) ChivalRuse on how not to get gimped 1/23/10
7) ChivalRuse on how to get through Falco lasers 1/28/10
8) Scar on the general Falco Match up 2/1/10
9) S2J on uair edgeguarding and edgeguarding in general 3/5/10
10) S2J on tech chase options for spacies 3/10/10
11) Magus on Falco's Ledge Hop Double Laser 10/3/08
12) JPOBS on how to deal with approaching Falco 4/29/10
13) Jetfour on defense against Fox 5/10/10
14) G-Reg on keeping your head up against spacies 5/19/10
15) Winston on getting out of shield pressure 6/22/10
16) Bertbusdriver on your Out of shield options 6/22/10
17) S2J on defensive options 8/11/10
18) Tomacawk on spacing around Fox's shield 9/12/10
19) Kage on how to deal with getting waveshined 10/2/10
20) $Mike on figuring out how to stop Fox platform camping 10/26/10
21) BigD on Fox's ability to jump out of throws 1/3/11
22)$Mike on movement being the key to the Falco MU 2/4/11
23) $Mike on Punishing LHDL 2/5/11
24) Tomacawk on Nairs vs Spacies 2/5/11
25) S2J on spacies and tech chasing 2/12/11
26) Hubble on Falco MU 2/20/11
27) S2J on Spacies and having a gameplan 2/24/11
28) Wenbobular on getting shield pressured by Falco 3/9/11
29) Scar on being mobile against Falco 3/9/11
30) Rocky on regrab percents 3/30/11
31) S2J on Dash Attack 4/8/11
32) Strongbad on grabbing Falco's shield pressure 4/27/11
33) S2J on Falco 4/27/11
34) Mogwai on what to do if Falco Dash attacks you 4/27/11
35) Scar on Dair OoS 4/27/11
36) Strongbad on Falco's options if he dash attacks your shield 4/27/11
37) Strongbad on when to Dair OoS 4/27/11
38) Rocky on answering a series of questions 6/18/11
39) Winston on how to react to Fox's nair 6/11/11
40) Wenbobular on Stage CPs 7/21/11
41) Scar on dealing with Fox 10/11/08
42) Magus on shieldgrabbing Falco 10/11/08
43) KirbyKaze on how to deal with spot dodging Foxes 10/21/08
44) Little England on edgeguarding 11/11/08
45) Scar on edgeguarding 11/6/08
46) NES N00b on reacting to Falco Lasers 11/13/08
47) Magus on options from CC 11/26/08
48) Scar on dealing with Lasers 11/26/08
49) Scar on Fox's strategy against you 1/18/09
50) BigD on how to punish Falco with platforms 2/23/09
51) Dark Crono on being patient 2/23/09
52) Milos on how to deal with Falco 3/29/09
53) DippnDots on how to baits 3/31/09
54) ArcNatural on how to deal with LHDL 7/20/09
55) Mogwai on getting out of your shield 8/13/09
56) Strongbad on techrolls 8/11/09
57) SynikaL on Falco MU 6/21/06
58) DuckPimp on the Fox Match up 7/27/11
59) 0Room on Falco 6/28/11
60) Nando on shield DI out of Falco's pressure 4/12/11
61) Nando on cutting Falco down to size 3/23/11
62) 0Room on what works at what percents 2/21/11
63) Hax on tech chasing 1/22/11
64) DuckPimp on edgeguarding 12/28/10
65) Zhenkai on throws to smashes 11/21/10
66) BigD on retreating aerials 9/23/10
67) S2J on being tech chased 9/23/10
68) 0Room on good things for Falco to do 7/18/11
69) 0Room on edgeguarding 5/30/11
70) Walt on how good CC is 4/18/11
71) 0Room on picking up habits 7/21/11
72) Hax Falco tricks 12/28/09
73) S2J on being aggressive against Falco 2/6/10
74) Hax on platforms 1/12/10
75) ArcNatural on general tips 12/28/09
76) The Official on Shield di->grab 10/31/09
77) Strongbad's response to The Official's post 10/31/09
78) NES N00b on approaching Falco 11/16/09
79) S2J on gentleman 2/22/10
80) Magus on throw to smash percents 7/15/11
81) Sveet on getting out of waveshine near a ledge 8/1/11
82) Windrose on Fox waveshine 8/1/11
83) Juggleguy on edgeguarding 8/1/11
84) Tomacawk on Nair 2/24/11
85) Strongbad on DI for getting waveshined 8/7/11
86) KirbyKaze on throw techchase 6/9/10
87) Magus on upB OoS [Ganon data but I think it's the same] 5/29/10
88) Magus on CC grabbing nair 11/27/08
89) Hax on Falco discussion 8/16/11
90) Tekk on edgeguarding Falco 8/16/11
91) PP on Falcon/Falco 8/16/11
92) Discussion between 0Room and Zhu on falcon/falco 8/16/11
93) Magus on shine not stopping your momentum as Fox and moving your shield around 12/26/09
94) Rubyiris on Falco's stages 12/28/09
95) Sveet on Fox's illusion edge cancel 3/22/10


Peach


Marth


Samus


Mewtwo


Captain Falcon


Roy


Pikachu


Luigi


IC


Sheik


Ness


Doc


Jigglypuff


Zelda


DK


Bowser

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General stuff

Teching/DI/Buffer
1) Magus on teching and upB directions 12/31/09
2) KAOSTAR on explanation for teching 1/7/10
3) Magus on explaining the tech windows 1/7/10
4) Wenbobular explaining the different DIs
5) Magus on SDI and ASDI 1/8/10
6) S2J on buffering 10/25/10
7) Magus explaining buffering 4/11/10
8) Mokumo on buffering 2/18/11
9) Tai on buffering and DI 2/18/11
10) Etwist on Shield DI 5/4/11
11) Magus on shield DI 10/12/08
12) GG7 on shield DI and shield grab 5/26/09
13) G-Reg on people's DI 10/8/07
14) Magus on Double Stick DI and Ganon 7/13/10
15) Magus on SDI/ASDI/jab resets 6/4/11
16) Magus on Invisible Ceiling Glitch 2/5/10
17) Magus expanding on ICG 7/13/10
18) Magus on ICG 2/5/10
19) JPOBS on buffer jump 10/15/10
20) Jeapie on buffer 4/26/11

More General Match up stuff
1) Winston on edgeguarding different characters 8/1/11
2) S2J on baiting 7/31/11
3) $Mike on approaches and which Falcons to watch 12/26/10
4) BigD on match up numbers 1/11/09
5) GooeyBanana on different characters 3/7/10
6) DippnDots on being prepared for tournament matches 3/19/10
7) S2J on how to improve 3/21/10
8) Ryzol on nipple spike percents 5/3/10
9) BigD on Doc and Ics 8/28/10
10) BigD on throws 10/5/10
11) Etwist on Pivot nairs 11/23/10
12) S2J on fox and nair 1/14/11
13) Juggleguy on getting off of platforms 2/13/11
14) Kage on the importance of knee 2/17/11
15) Mokumo on reverse bair 3/2/11
16) Mokumo on hitting with reverse bair 3/2/11
17) S2J on throws and tourney 3/7/11
18) KirbyKaze on soft knee->uair 3/10/11
19) Rocky on nairs vs low tiers 3/16/11
20) Walt on different characters 3/18/11
21) Wenbobular on options 4/8/11
22) 0Room on improving your game 6/30/11
23) Intuition on falcon 6/24/11
24) RaynEX on knee->fsmash on shield 10/21/08
25) KAOSTAR on the different uairs 4/28/09
26) BigD on uairs 4/22/09
27) Scar on get up attacks 3/31/09
28) Scar on dropzone and comboing 3/30/09
29) Mogwai on chaingrab 4/7/09
30) Scar on throws 4/7/09
31) S2J on traps and counters 7/25/11
32) Roneblaster on improvement 7/24/11
33) 0Room on traps and situations 7/25/11
34) G-Reg on grab tricks 6/8/06
35) G-Reg on combos 6/8/06
36) TresChikon on aerials 7/19/09
37) Magus on stomp->taunt->knee 7/17/09
38) G-Reg on low tiers 6/26/06
39) G-Reg on specific combos 7/28/06
40) Magus on combo notation 10/30/09
41) Magus on throws and advantage 10/30/09
42) Magus throws thread 11/21/08
43) NES N00b on what's important 11/13/09
44) Scar on combo percents 11/28/08
45) QERB on GW 2/22/10
46) Magus on falling off the edge from different things 3/11/10
47) L on grab ranges 3/29/10
48) Mers on stale moves 7/16/10
49) Magus on stale moves 7/16/10
50) X1-12 on jab resets 10/17/10
51) Dark Sonic on what jab resets and what doesn't 10/16/10
52) Magus on jab resets 3/20/10
53) PP on a few different things 9/6/11
54) Druggedfox about conditioning 9/9/11

CC discussion
1) S2J on countering CC 7/2/11
2) S2J on your CC options 5/2/11
3) Walt on dtilt and CC 5/6/11
4) S2J on attacking from the ledge 11/30/10
5) Winstonn on spacing nairs 11/30/10
6) Magus on CC grab 11/27/08
7) NES N00b on countering CC 5/29/09

Recovery
1) Mogwai on recovering with an aerial or not 2/11/10
2) 0Room on not getting gimped 4/23/11
3) S2J on recovery 6/24/11

Tech chasing
1) Magus' throws, and tech data 11/21/08
2) S2J on tech chase options 3/10/10
3) S2J on movement to follow techs 5/3/10
4) S2J on covering all the options 5/23/10
5) Scar on regrab 10/2/08
6) Winston on mindset for tech chasing 7/6/10
7) KirbyKaze on mindgames for grab tech chasing 2/13/11
8) S2J on following techs 3/14/11
9) Kage on catching no techs 4/9/11
10) Scar on habits 10/7/08
11) Scar on dair 10/11/08
12) NES n00b on tech chasing patterns 11/12/08
13) Supermatt on limiting options 8/10/09
14) 0Room on your tech options 7/18/11
15) Wenbobular on improving tech chases 7/19/11
16) NES N00b on tech chase options 4/21/09
17) Wenbobular on covering options 7/29/11
18) S2J on following Di away no tech 8/5/11

Shield Pressure
1) Magus on dair for shield pressure 3/18/10
2) Da Shuffla on moving the shield around 3/12/11
3) Strongbad on Shield Pressure options 4/23/11
4) Wiseman on all options for shield pressure 7/29/11

Gentleman
1) ArcNatural on Gentleman 4/22/11
2) Magus on Gentleman 3/24/10
3) Aussierob on Gentleman for shield pressure 2/6/11
4) $Mike on when to Gentleman for shield pressure 2/7/11
5) Scar on how Gentleman works 12/17/08
6) Magus on the best way to use Gentleman 12/18/08
7) Magus explaining Gentleman window 6/19/09
8) S2J on Gentleman 2/22/10
9) Aussierob on gentleman 4/2/11

Frame Data and more specific stuff
Jungle on when attacks come out 4/26/10

Stage discussion
1) Magus on CF autosweetspot on Battlefield 7/4/08
2) $Mike CP stages 6/4/10
3) BigD on where to be on stage 8/9/10
4) Juggleguy on getting off of platforms 2/13/11
5) S2J on CP stages 3/17/11
6) S2J on Fountain 6/7/11
7) S2J on FD 6/6/11
8) Hax on KJ64 11/12/08
9) NES N00b on Brinstar 11/12/08
10) Magus on YS 7/7/09
11) SirNegroJuice on FD 8/10/06
12) G-Reg on stages 8/10/06
13) Wenbobular on Brinstar 7/25/11
14) Winston on KJ64 7/22/11
15) RapeFalcon on CP stages [old!] 6/13/07
16) Chunga on CP stages 6/13/07
17) Hax on CP stages 6/13/07
18) Hax on KF64 6/17/07
19) Hax on YS 6/17/07
20) Hax on neutrals 6/17/07
21) Hax on peach 6/21/07
22) Fonz on Brinstar and Peach 6/21/07
23) Hax on CP Peach 6/22/07
24) Hax on FD and Ganon 6/23/07
25) Hax on CP stages vs different characters 7/3/07
26) ohpistachios on CP vs Bowser 8/16/07
27) G-Reg on CP stages [old!] 12/18/07
28) Cosmo! on why Randall murders you constantly 4/16/10

Tech skill related
1) G-Reg on uair l cancelling 6/14/10
2) Mogwai on dropping through platforms 4/26/10
3) Citizen Snips on tech skill 4/18/11
4) Scar on tech skill exercises 11/27/08

Edgeguarding
1) BigD on edgeguarding 10/8/10
2) Juggleguy on get up attack 3/24/11
3) G-Reg on edgeguarding 6/20/06
4) Juggleguy on get up attack 8/1/11
5) Winston on edgeguarding Marth 8/1/11
6) Winston on edgeguarding 8/1/11

General, Random knowledge
1) BigD on lack of stun from spikes 5/10/10
2) Bamesy on high level play 1/14/11
3) S2J on essential knowledge 2/18/11
4) The Upholder on speed of moves 4/8/11
5) Winston on aerial priority 5/19/11
6) 0Room on improvement 6/30/11
7) Mogwai on aerial priority 5/24/11
8) StrongBad on aerial priority 5/24/11
10) Scar on meteor canceling 12/26/08
11) Magus on why people get out of hitstun when you raptor boost them on the ground 3/18/09
12) Mogwai on disjointed hitboxes 4/26/09
13) G-Reg on specific combos 7/28/06
14) Magus on different color's widths 4/26/09
15) Magus' gif on color widths 4/29/09
16) Winston on approaching 7/6/10
17) Magus on phantom hits and SDI 6/12/11
18) Umbreon on Drastic Improvement 9/20/11
19) Mic_128 on the changes between the different Melee versions [NTSC versions and PAL] 6/26/02
 

Walt

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#2
You've already got commendations of thanks and good job in other threads but let me be the first in this thread to say: Thanks and good job dude, this collection of text is ****.
 

Brookman

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I had intended to do this sort of thing on the fox forum but . . . there have been more pressing things to tend to. I did attempt to enlist several regulars to help (take say, 50 pages each) maybe I'll try again this coming winter.
 

0Room

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Hey 0room.

You still haven't been through the G-reg thread. :troll:


Check the very last posts in the general thread, you'll be proved wrong

Don't test me Etwist ;)
I've been through the first few pages

All of the information is REALLY general and ironically also REALLY specific, that's why not a lot of it has been indexed
Meaning
They mostly talk about combos

Combos are ALWAYS a one time DI dependent specific thing
And therefore not something that needs to be indexed because it's something that works at certain times against certain people.

edit;
Thanks guys
I hope this gets stickied or something so that we don't lose it


In case something horrible ever happens
Here's a backup as of 8/10/11

Welcome to the Captain Falcon index thread!

A project started by me on July 18th, 2011, this is a thread dedicated to keeping all of the information from that Captain Falcon forums alive.
While an index certainly, it's definitely kind of a guide because I feel like you guys can read it and learn from it.

As far as the actual thread goes:

This is a thread of indexed information, but it's also a Guide. If you need any help at all, I've tried to make things very easy to read by separating problem options into tabs. Everything is separated into characters, and the general tab into more basic folders [edgeguarding, stage positioning, di, etc]. I didn't save everything, but I saved everything that I felt was worth mentioning/talking about as far as match ups, captain falcon stuff, and playing this game in general.

If you need to copy individual links, you can rightclick+copy link location, or PM me and I can find it for you. I'm working on making this as easy as possible, so check back for that.

Post of the week!
Post of the week is a singular post that I feel needs the attention of everyone on the Falcon Boards. I'll try to keep it updated because I'm sorry if I don't.

This week our post comes from Magus, who details why Falcon totally has the ability to wreck peach:

If Peach DIs the d-throw in at 0% they can just hold up against a SH n-air to avoid the 2nd hit without even needing to SDI it. It's the type of situation that's great for the FJ or instant DJ to FF n-air I was talking about before though. Even if they SDI the 1st kick it'll still get the 2nd hit if you do it right.

Off a grab at like 0-10ish, if they DI the FJ-FF/IDJ-FF n-air low you can FJ double u-air, and if they DI the n-air high you can FJ double u-air or if they were at almost 0 when you grabbed you could also SHFFL u-air to FJ double u-air. When she's at around 20+% she can't n-air between the u-airs in a FJ double u-air, and d-throw->FJ/IDJ FF n-air gets her to that percent and in the right position for it when they DI the throw high at very low damage.

________ DI N-Air High -> FJ Dbl U-Air ________ DI N-Air High -> SHFFL U-Air -> FJ Dbl U-Air


________ DI N-Air Low -> FJ Dbl U-Air


___________ U-Air -> No Hitstun



Grab on Peach below 15%
You can try to regrab if they DI the throw low until like 30/40ish, though it's not entirely guaranteed and it's possible to DJ/wiggle to airdodge away to escape if they DI it low enough.

If they DI to be just above regrab height you can space a SH n-air since it has more vertical range at his feet, but if they SDI it up (holding up doesn't work) they'll still be able to avoid the 2nd hit. If they do this I don't think you can really do any good followups on the throw at very low damage that lead into more things besides maybe weird stuff like a pivot b-air, or IDJ d-air over her into a techchase (you go over n-air range). If you try to FJ/IDJ FF n-air the 1st kick will go over them and miss so you can't use that.

An u-air off a d-throw at 0% at best has you getting out of lcancel lag at the same time she gets out of stun (gif at the bottom), so you'd need to space it and then try to work around what she does afterwards to get something else in. If she DI's the u-air low off a grab at around like 10 or so you should be to get a JC grab off, though if she DI's the u-air high you can't hit her.


Grab on Peach after 15%
U-air actually has some stun at this point so out of the throw you can start to u-air->regrab/FJ dbl u-air, or straight FJ dbl u-air depending on DI. Don't bother with n-air since if they DI it high at this damage you won't get as much off it as you would an u-air.



Old posts of the week


Pic of the moment


If you have anything to add PM me!
So start reading, and keep learning, and hopefully this will be a never ending project of improvement! Enjoy! :embarrass:

New Posts!
This is a section where you can see what was added recently, before it gets lost in the shuffle.

Magus on Roy reverse upB 5/21/11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12815207&postcount=1368
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9171573&postcount=58
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9167770&postcount=11
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9277515&postcount=218
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9181234&postcount=127
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9191581&postcount=137
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9422329&postcount=306
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9297328&postcount=233
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9639339&postcount=418
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9639800&postcount=423
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9484837&postcount=338
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9793657&postcount=502
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9882108&postcount=548
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9887396&postcount=552
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9918712&postcount=573
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9920554&postcount=578
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9827423&postcount=523
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9935675&postcount=604
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10059786&postcount=698
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9872129&postcount=28
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10667955&postcount=896
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10326158&postcount=295
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10738441&postcount=944
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9484837&postcount=338
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10758870&postcount=970
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10761070&postcount=973
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2933012&postcount=2
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11414940&postcount=1200
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=57155
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11423612&postcount=1225
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11422210&postcount=1214
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12471303&postcount=1258
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12607238&postcount=1302


Characters
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Ganondorf


Spacies [Fox/Falco]
1) Scar on the Falco Match up 1/7/09
2) Kage on the Fox Matchup 10/3/10
3) Magus on tech chase options versus spacies 12/9/09
4) BigD on how to react to spacies who side b from the ledge to get back on stage 12/22/09
5) Scar on illusions, not just at the ledge but above it as well 12/22/09
6) ChivalRuse on how not to get gimped 1/23/10
7) ChivalRuse on how to get through Falco lasers 1/28/10
8) Scar on the general Falco Match up 2/1/10
9) S2J on uair edgeguarding and edgeguarding in general 3/5/10
10) S2J on tech chase options for spacies 3/10/10
11) Magus on Falco's Ledge Hop Double Laser 10/3/08
12) JPOBS on how to deal with approaching Falco 4/29/10
13) Jetfour on defense against Fox 5/10/10
14) G-Reg on keeping your head up against spacies 5/19/10
15) Winston on getting out of shield pressure 6/22/10
16) Bertbusdriver on your Out of shield options 6/22/10
17) S2J on defensive options 8/11/10
18) Tomacawk on spacing around Fox's shield 9/12/10
19) Kage on how to deal with getting waveshined 10/2/10
20) $Mike on figuring out how to stop Fox platform camping 10/26/10
21) BigD on Fox's ability to jump out of throws 1/3/11
22)$Mike on movement being the key to the Falco MU 2/4/11
23) $Mike on Punishing LHDL 2/5/11
24) Tomacawk on Nairs vs Spacies 2/5/11
25) S2J on spacies and tech chasing 2/12/11
26) Hubble on Falco MU 2/20/11
27) S2J on Spacies and having a gameplan 2/24/11
28) Wenbobular on getting shield pressured by Falco 3/9/11
29) Scar on being mobile against Falco 3/9/11
30) Rocky on regrab percents 3/30/11
31) S2J on Dash Attack 4/8/11
32) Strongbad on grabbing Falco's shield pressure 4/27/11
33) S2J on Falco 4/27/11
34) Mogwai on what to do if Falco Dash attacks you 4/27/11
35) Scar on Dair OoS 4/27/11
36) Strongbad on Falco's options if he dash attacks your shield 4/27/11
37) Strongbad on when to Dair OoS 4/27/11
38) Rocky on answering a series of questions 6/18/11
39) Winston on how to react to Fox's nair 6/11/11
40) Wenbobular on Stage CPs 7/21/11
41) Scar on dealing with Fox 10/11/08
42) Magus on shieldgrabbing Falco 10/11/08
43) KirbyKaze on how to deal with spot dodging Foxes 10/21/08
44) Little England on edgeguarding 11/11/08
45) Scar on edgeguarding 11/6/08
46) NES N00b on reacting to Falco Lasers 11/13/08
47) Magus on options from CC 11/26/08
48) Scar on dealing with Lasers 11/26/08
49) Scar on Fox's strategy against you 1/18/09
50) BigD on how to punish Falco with platforms 2/23/09
51) Dark Crono on being patient 2/23/09
52) Milos on how to deal with Falco 3/29/09
53) DippnDots on how to baits 3/31/09
54) ArcNatural on how to deal with LHDL 7/20/09
55) Mogwai on getting out of your shield 8/13/09
56) Strongbad on techrolls 8/11/09
57) SynikaL on Falco MU 6/21/06
58) DuckPimp on the Fox Match up 7/27/11
59) 0Room on Falco 6/28/11
60) Nando on shield DI out of Falco's pressure 4/12/11
61) Nando on cutting Falco down to size 3/23/11
62) 0Room on what works at what percents 2/21/11
63) Hax on tech chasing 1/22/11
64) DuckPimp on edgeguarding 12/28/10
65) Zhenkai on throws to smashes 11/21/10
66) BigD on retreating aerials 9/23/10
67) S2J on being tech chased 9/23/10
68) 0Room on good things for Falco to do 7/18/11
69) 0Room on edgeguarding 5/30/11
70) Walt on how good CC is 4/18/11
71) 0Room on picking up habits 7/21/11
72) Hax Falco tricks 12/28/09
73) S2J on being aggressive against Falco 2/6/10
74) Hax on platforms 1/12/10
75) ArcNatural on general tips 12/28/09
76) The Official on Shield di->grab 10/31/09
77) Strongbad's response to The Official's post 10/31/09
78) NES N00b on approaching Falco 11/16/09
79) S2J on gentleman 2/22/10
80) Magus on throw to smash percents 7/15/11
81) Sveet on getting out of waveshine near a ledge 8/1/11
82) Windrose on Fox waveshine 8/1/11
83) Juggleguy on edgeguarding 8/1/11
84) Tomacawk on Nair 2/24/11
85) Strongbad on DI for getting waveshined 8/7/11
86) KirbyKaze on throw techchase 6/9/10
87) Magus on upB OoS [Ganon data but I think it's the same] 5/29/10


Peach


Marth


Samus


Mewtwo


Captain Falcon


Roy


Pikachu


Luigi


IC


Sheik


Ness


Doc


Jigglypuff


Zelda


DK

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General stuff

Teching/DI/Buffer
1) Magus on teching and upB directions 12/31/09
2) KAOSTAR on explanation for teching 1/7/10
3) Magus on explaining the tech windows 1/7/10
4) Wenbobular explaining the different DIs
5) Magus on SDI and ASDI 1/8/10
6) S2J on buffering 10/25/10
7) Magus explaining buffering 4/11/10
8) Mokumo on buffering 2/18/11
9) Tai on buffering and DI 2/18/11
10) Etwist on Shield DI 5/4/11
11) Magus on shield DI 10/12/08
12) GG7 on shield DI and shield grab 5/26/09
13) G-Reg on people's DI 10/8/07
14) Magus on Double Stick DI and Ganon 7/13/10

More General Match up stuff
1) Winston on edgeguarding different characters 8/1/11
2) S2J on baiting 7/31/11
3) $Mike on approaches and which Falcons to watch 12/26/10
4) BigD on match up numbers 1/11/09
5) GooeyBanana on different characters 3/7/10
6) DippnDots on being prepared for tournament matches 3/19/10
7) S2J on how to improve 3/21/10
8) Ryzol on nipple spike percents 5/3/10
9) BigD on Doc and Ics 8/28/10
10) BigD on throws 10/5/10
11) Etwist on Pivot nairs 11/23/10
12) S2J on fox and nair 1/14/11
13) Juggleguy on getting off of platforms 2/13/11
14) Kage on the importance of knee 2/17/11
15) Mokumo on reverse bair 3/2/11
16) Mokumo on hitting with reverse bair 3/2/11
17) S2J on throws and tourney 3/7/11
18) KirbyKaze on soft knee->uair 3/10/11
19) Rocky on nairs vs low tiers 3/16/11
20) Walt on different characters 3/18/11
21) Wenbobular on options 4/8/11
22) 0Room on improving your game 6/30/11
23) Intuition on falcon 6/24/11
24) RaynEX on knee->fsmash on shield 10/21/08
25) KAOSTAR on the different uairs 4/28/09
26) BigD on uairs 4/22/09
27) Scar on get up attacks 3/31/09
28) Scar on dropzone and comboing 3/30/09
29) Mogwai on chaingrab 4/7/09
30) Scar on throws 4/7/09
31) S2J on traps and counters 7/25/11
32) Roneblaster on improvement 7/24/11
33) 0Room on traps and situations 7/25/11
34) G-Reg on grab tricks 6/8/06
35) G-Reg on combos 6/8/06
36) TresChikon on aerials 7/19/09
37) Magus on stomp->taunt->knee 7/17/09
38) G-Reg on low tiers 6/26/06
39) G-Reg on specific combos 7/28/06
40) Magus on combo notation 10/30/09
41) Magus on throws and advantage 10/30/09
42) Magus throws thread 11/21/08
43) NES N00b on what's important 11/13/09
44) Scar on combo percents 11/28/08

CC discussion
1) S2J on countering CC 7/2/11
2) S2J on your CC options 5/2/11
3) Walt on dtilt and CC 5/6/11
4) S2J on attacking from the ledge 11/30/10
5) Winstonn on spacing nairs 11/30/10
6) Magus on CC grab 11/27/08
7) NES N00b on countering CC 5/29/09

Recovery
1) Mogwai on recovering with an aerial or not 2/11/10
2) 0Room on not getting gimped 4/23/11
3) S2J on recovery 6/24/11

Tech chasing
1) Magus' throws, and tech data 11/21/08
2) S2J on tech chase options 3/10/10
3) S2J on movement to follow techs 5/3/10
4) S2J on covering all the options 5/23/10
5) Scar on regrab 10/2/08
6) Winston on mindset for tech chasing 7/6/10
7) KirbyKaze on mindgames for grab tech chasing 2/13/11
8) S2J on following techs 3/14/11
9) Kage on catching no techs 4/9/11
10) Scar on habits 10/7/08
11) Scar on dair 10/11/08
12) NES n00b on tech chasing patterns 11/12/08
13) Supermatt on limiting options 8/10/09
14) 0Room on your tech options 7/18/11
15) Wenbobular on improving tech chases 7/19/11
16) NES N00b on tech chase options 4/21/09
17) Wenbobular on covering options 7/29/11
18) S2J on following Di away no tech 8/5/11

Shield Pressure
1) Magus on dair for shield pressure 3/18/10
2) Da Shuffla on moving the shield around 3/12/11
3) Strongbad on Shield Pressure options 4/23/11
4) Wiseman on all options for shield pressure 7/29/11

Gentleman
1) ArcNatural on Gentleman 4/22/11
2) Magus on Gentleman 3/24/10
3) Aussierob on Gentleman for shield pressure 2/6/11
4) $Mike on when to Gentleman for shield pressure 2/7/11
5) Scar on how Gentleman works 12/17/08
6) Magus on the best way to use Gentleman 12/18/08
7) Magus explaining Gentleman window 6/19/09
8) S2J on Gentleman 2/22/10
9) Aussierob on gentleman 4/2/11

Frame Data and more specific stuff
Jungle on when attacks come out 4/26/10

Stage discussion
1) Magus on CF autosweetspot on Battlefield 7/4/08
2) $Mike CP stages 6/4/10
3) BigD on where to be on stage 8/9/10
4) Juggleguy on getting off of platforms 2/13/11
5) S2J on CP stages 3/17/11
6) S2J on Fountain 6/7/11
7) S2J on FD 6/6/11
8) Hax on KJ64 11/12/08
9) NES N00b on Brinstar 11/12/08
10) Magus on YS 7/7/09
11) SirNegroJuice on FD 8/10/06
12) G-Reg on stages 8/10/06
13) Wenbobular on Brinstar 7/25/11
14) Winston on KJ64 7/22/11
15) RapeFalcon on CP stages [old!] 6/13/07
16) Chunga on CP stages 6/13/07
17) Hax on CP stages 6/13/07
18) Hax on KF64 6/17/07
19) Hax on YS 6/17/07
20) Hax on neutrals 6/17/07
21) Hax on peach 6/21/07
22) Fonz on Brinstar and Peach 6/21/07
23) Hax on CP Peach 6/22/07
24) Hax on FD and Ganon 6/23/07
25) Hax on CP stages vs different characters 7/3/07
26) ohpistachios on CP vs Bowser 8/16/07
27) G-Reg on CP stages [old!] 12/18/07

Tech skill related
1) G-Reg on uair l cancelling 6/14/10
2) Mogwai on dropping through platforms 4/26/10
3) Citizen Snips on tech skill 4/18/11
4) Scar on tech skill exercises 11/27/08

Edgeguarding
1) BigD on edgeguarding 10/8/10
2) Juggleguy on get up attack 3/24/11
3) G-Reg on edgeguarding 6/20/06
4) Juggleguy on get up attack 8/1/11
5) Winston on edgeguarding Marth 8/1/11
6) Winston on edgeguarding 8/1/11

General, Random knowledge
1) BigD on lack of stun from spikes 5/10/10
2) Bamesy on high level play 1/14/11
3) S2J on essential knowledge 2/18/11
4) The Upholder on speed of moves 4/8/11
5) Winston on aerial priority 5/19/11
6) 0Room on improvement 6/30/11
7) Mogwai on aerial priority 5/24/11
8) StrongBad on aerial priority 5/24/11
10) Scar on meteor canceling 12/26/08
11) Magus on why people get out of hitstun when you raptor boost them on the ground 3/18/09
12) Mogwai on disjointed hitboxes 4/26/09
13) G-Reg on specific combos 7/28/06
14) Magus on different color's widths 4/26/09
15) Magus' gif on color widths 4/29/09
16) Winston on approaching 7/6/10
17) Magus on phantom hits and SDI 6/12/11
 

0Room

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#8
I mean it doesn't matter to me because when I edit it it's all one big mass anyway

Also, do you guys like the whole "post of the week" thing?
and do you think I should go through and highlight the links that I think are really good, to draw attention to them?
 
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#12
I love it.

i like the pick/post of the week idea.

keep a box at the bottom for a list/collection of each post/pic of the week.

how do u request sticky? its not under thread tools.
 

0Room

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#14
Sounds cool
I would love to see this stickied, I would hate to lose it.
That would kind of defeat the entire purpose of this thread.

edit;
All of the general stuff has been separated into specific folders for easier viewing
 

Windrose

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#16
I think ETWIST would be a fair mod for the falcon boards...he's also very active. I'd trust wenbobular also but i think he's a fox main now. 0Room would definitely be the best choice because he goes through the threads inside out on the falcon boards. But NUMBER ONE choice would be that Windrose guy. He's well learned, and multi cultural. 1. He's Canadian so you know he's trustworthy and nice and w/e but 2. he's also asian so you know he's good at farming rice.
 

KneeJustice

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#22
Great job! Lots of Falcon knowledge being dusted off!

The only constructive criticism I have for you is to maybe go through each section and add a number (eg: 1), 2), 3) etc) before each link so that it is easier to remember which link you just read and which link is the next in the sequence.

Thanks a lot!

Edit: Maybe also give the name of the person quoted, if it isn't too much to ask, and perhaps the date. Just suggestions to help organize it better.

So, for example:

1) Scar, 1/1/11, [link]
2) G-reg, 2/2/11, [link]

etc
 

0Room

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#23
Oh god lol more work
Yeah I mean that makes sense
I'll work on it tomorrow, thanks for the critiques and stuff

I like knowing new ways to make this more readable.
 

Raidex

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#24
Really helpful stuff. Could really help Falcon newcomers, if there are some, such as myself.

Good job, Room.
 

0Room

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#25
Posts were indexed by number as requested, may add authors but not right now

The biggest problems I see right now is, if you copy and paste just the links from this page, they don't work because of smashboards auto-condensing
Does anyone have a solution for this? I don't think quoting them directly into this page would be a good idea, but I want you to have an easy ability to select things without clicking each and every link
 

s2j

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#28
u should add a tiny footnote next to each link that describes the info in each link

looking through specific advice and finding 50 billion links next to something is kinda daunting
 

0Room

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#29
Yeah it's just then the obscene amount of information next to each link makes it just as daunting
I'm trying to figure out what's the best middle ground. Maybe a linked url

About tech chasing off a DI away no tech

But that get difficult and messy and stuff

And that still doesn't really solve the overall problem of if you want to copy it for something else
You can't save multiple links
 

Windrose

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#30
you'd have to open up a notepad or something and paste them all in there to form a list and then re paste it into another post if you wanted to show someone :S or open up two tabs or something.
 

0Room

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#31
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's just not possible for people other than me, who can edit->copy->paste

edit
also
I'm working on renaming all of the links so that you can see what the link is about

All I've gotten so far is the Ganon folder, so look at that and see if that's what you guys are looking for.
It's gonna take a long *** time so
 

0Room

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#36
This is incredible... so helpful. I'm loving the new format.

Why isn't this stickied?
I'm working on getting that done, I've sent a few messages but we have very lax [read: busy] moderators here on the falcon boards

We may need a new one, but as for now I'm working on one thing at a time lol
Glad you like the new format, it takes a lot of work lol

My next project will be separating them

for example
Spacies

Offensive tips
[links]
[links]
[links]

Defensive
[links]
[links]

Edgeguarding
[links]

recovery
[links]

etc
 

Raidex

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#37
Yeah I was also thinking about separating them, but you posted it before me. It'll make it even more neat and organized.

:phone:
 

Walt

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#38
Hah! Stupid bull**** prevails again!

I will take over the duty of making posts of the week in lieu of there being a legit one
 

0Room

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#39
Lol alright
That'll be a while though, there are some seriously legit posts in here

for this week
it's one of my favorite posts ever
Magus showing us how to wreck Peach hardcore
 
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