Why was the old thread closed down, anyway? (No mod actually gave a reason for closing it (like, in a post), it just randomly closed... feel free to close this one, but please motivate why so we're not left wondering wth just happened)
So, MrWizard has made it clear that he's gonna "stick with his guns". In other words, Final Smashes, Items and the stages he hasn't banned will most likely stay ON.
After categorically refusing to address any of the points brought up by me, SamuraiPanda, AlphaZealot or anyone else on "our" side, he closed the thread with this:
"This thread has turned into a shouting match between two websites that should have no beef with each other. I asked for rule debate with backup of proof, and almost no one has done that.
As far as people that state that we never officially asked SWF to do testing. Last I checked the official site of Evo is www.evo2k.com or www.shoryuken.com. If you expect official discussion my guess would be one of those sites. I'm also 100% sure that if something was posted on SRK in regards to a Brawl tournament, it was relayed to SWF in some capacity. Smash players aren't stupid, but if they chose to ignore a request, then that is their perogative.
We will continue to do research by talking with players over various items and stages, and if you wish to state your case with evidence that isnt just your own words, my PM box is always open, or you can email me at mrwizard [at] shoryuken dot com.
Thanks."
Apparently, to him and SRK, "proof" can only come in the form of video evidence (because it's so hard to use your imagination) and according to many of "those" people, proof can also only come in the form of tournament videos. According to yet others within that enclave, proof can only come in the form of tournament videos of really skilled Smashers (I'm guessing according to SRK-standard as SWF-standard RSSers (Really Skilled Smasher) would rather have sex with George W. Bush than play with items on).
OK then, so the only way for us to prove items are broken is to hold tournaments with items on and capturing moments where random item spawns screw matches up? Oh, but SRK has a reply to that too! Stage Control! If you Smash a player off-stage and a Smash Ball spawns next to you, that's Stage Control! If you're standing with your back to a part of the stage and the opponent is far away, that's Stage Control! Obviously, skilled players should somehow be able to control the entire stage at all times (the best way to do this is to constantly keep your opponent off stage) for Stage Control!
And Stage Control totally negates the fact that what if nothing good spawns during the 75% of the time of a match where I have Stage Control but a Dragoon and a Smash Ball spawn the 25% of the time when my opponent does? The answer is, um, "Luck evens out"... yeah, not.
So where was I? Yes, MrWizard is obviously biased and will not be taking our research to heart, even if it proves our points. Why?
1) His categoric refusal to address even any of our points even though we wrote entire essays and then he says "PM me with evidence if you want to continue this". And even if we do, he'll probably disqualify any evidence not accompanied with video proof of Ken and Azen going at it.
2) Then he claims SWF shouldn't gotten wind of what was going on at SRK because we're obviously psychic or have insiders with nothing better to do than to constantly lurk the Brawl forums and relay all shennanigans over there to us.
3) And the kicker: After my first 5 posts in the thread (my rep bar was still green for magical reasons beyond my comprehension), I was called an "f*ing idiot" for saying "This is this and that is that" about COUM claiming that Brawl is a lot like Magic the Gathering and since chance plays a role in MtG, so should it in Brawl. The rules in the OP of the thread states (clearly): "Arguing in this thread in a non-civil manner will get you a ban ( no warnings required.)". I personally PM:ed MrWizard about it, complete with a link to the post, to make sure he'd see it. What's happened (even though I know he's read the PM because it's no longer bold)? The idiot is still not banned (I did not call anyone an idiot in said thread nor did I ever flame or go past civility, because, you know, I actually read the OP and knew of the rule... which is apparently not being enforced).
So there you have it, apparently, if he agrees with someone, he won't even punish them for blatantly breaking thread- and forum policies and rules. Bias at its greatest. Even if we provided tons of proof, he'd probably wave it off, somehow, by saying "Well I disagree and so do my SRK-peers!".
The solution?
A) Ignore EVO, don't waste your time, money or effort (why travel, pay for hotel costs and entrance fees only to have a large chance of losing out due to "Stage Control").
B) Go.
C) Try to prove them wrong - Now proven useless since they apparently aren't willing to listen. SynikaL was right all along.
Rules of this thread:
This is not a thread to insult SRK or its members as a whole. I called COUM an idiot earlier, but even SRK thinks he's an idiot as someone described him as "one of our must hated members". And he did something idiotic. And I needed to illustrate a post.
This thread is here for us to discuss EVO's/SRK's/MrWizard's current rulesets and their probable future revisions. And possibly chronicle anyone's attempts at changing said rules (like, if you send him a PM, repost it here and repost his reply if it's relevant, like if you sent him something really good and he replied with "Meh" or something).
Yes, you can vent and complain and whatnot, just don't do it in a manner that would breach any forum rules.
Why do these rules even exist? To prevent the mods from shutting down the thread for being a useless thread with no merit.
So, MrWizard has made it clear that he's gonna "stick with his guns". In other words, Final Smashes, Items and the stages he hasn't banned will most likely stay ON.
After categorically refusing to address any of the points brought up by me, SamuraiPanda, AlphaZealot or anyone else on "our" side, he closed the thread with this:
"This thread has turned into a shouting match between two websites that should have no beef with each other. I asked for rule debate with backup of proof, and almost no one has done that.
As far as people that state that we never officially asked SWF to do testing. Last I checked the official site of Evo is www.evo2k.com or www.shoryuken.com. If you expect official discussion my guess would be one of those sites. I'm also 100% sure that if something was posted on SRK in regards to a Brawl tournament, it was relayed to SWF in some capacity. Smash players aren't stupid, but if they chose to ignore a request, then that is their perogative.
We will continue to do research by talking with players over various items and stages, and if you wish to state your case with evidence that isnt just your own words, my PM box is always open, or you can email me at mrwizard [at] shoryuken dot com.
Thanks."
Apparently, to him and SRK, "proof" can only come in the form of video evidence (because it's so hard to use your imagination) and according to many of "those" people, proof can also only come in the form of tournament videos. According to yet others within that enclave, proof can only come in the form of tournament videos of really skilled Smashers (I'm guessing according to SRK-standard as SWF-standard RSSers (Really Skilled Smasher) would rather have sex with George W. Bush than play with items on).
OK then, so the only way for us to prove items are broken is to hold tournaments with items on and capturing moments where random item spawns screw matches up? Oh, but SRK has a reply to that too! Stage Control! If you Smash a player off-stage and a Smash Ball spawns next to you, that's Stage Control! If you're standing with your back to a part of the stage and the opponent is far away, that's Stage Control! Obviously, skilled players should somehow be able to control the entire stage at all times (the best way to do this is to constantly keep your opponent off stage) for Stage Control!
And Stage Control totally negates the fact that what if nothing good spawns during the 75% of the time of a match where I have Stage Control but a Dragoon and a Smash Ball spawn the 25% of the time when my opponent does? The answer is, um, "Luck evens out"... yeah, not.
So where was I? Yes, MrWizard is obviously biased and will not be taking our research to heart, even if it proves our points. Why?
1) His categoric refusal to address even any of our points even though we wrote entire essays and then he says "PM me with evidence if you want to continue this". And even if we do, he'll probably disqualify any evidence not accompanied with video proof of Ken and Azen going at it.
2) Then he claims SWF shouldn't gotten wind of what was going on at SRK because we're obviously psychic or have insiders with nothing better to do than to constantly lurk the Brawl forums and relay all shennanigans over there to us.
3) And the kicker: After my first 5 posts in the thread (my rep bar was still green for magical reasons beyond my comprehension), I was called an "f*ing idiot" for saying "This is this and that is that" about COUM claiming that Brawl is a lot like Magic the Gathering and since chance plays a role in MtG, so should it in Brawl. The rules in the OP of the thread states (clearly): "Arguing in this thread in a non-civil manner will get you a ban ( no warnings required.)". I personally PM:ed MrWizard about it, complete with a link to the post, to make sure he'd see it. What's happened (even though I know he's read the PM because it's no longer bold)? The idiot is still not banned (I did not call anyone an idiot in said thread nor did I ever flame or go past civility, because, you know, I actually read the OP and knew of the rule... which is apparently not being enforced).
So there you have it, apparently, if he agrees with someone, he won't even punish them for blatantly breaking thread- and forum policies and rules. Bias at its greatest. Even if we provided tons of proof, he'd probably wave it off, somehow, by saying "Well I disagree and so do my SRK-peers!".
The solution?
A) Ignore EVO, don't waste your time, money or effort (why travel, pay for hotel costs and entrance fees only to have a large chance of losing out due to "Stage Control").
B) Go.
C) Try to prove them wrong - Now proven useless since they apparently aren't willing to listen. SynikaL was right all along.
Rules of this thread:
This is not a thread to insult SRK or its members as a whole. I called COUM an idiot earlier, but even SRK thinks he's an idiot as someone described him as "one of our must hated members". And he did something idiotic. And I needed to illustrate a post.
This thread is here for us to discuss EVO's/SRK's/MrWizard's current rulesets and their probable future revisions. And possibly chronicle anyone's attempts at changing said rules (like, if you send him a PM, repost it here and repost his reply if it's relevant, like if you sent him something really good and he replied with "Meh" or something).
Yes, you can vent and complain and whatnot, just don't do it in a manner that would breach any forum rules.
Why do these rules even exist? To prevent the mods from shutting down the thread for being a useless thread with no merit.