Makaveli tha Don
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The Captain Falcon Q&A Thread
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BigLord
Smash Lord
Dude, please tell us you recorded that "on camera".
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
What is the math up between captain falcon and falco?
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Depends on who you asked. I would say at worst 30-70. DEHF considers it 35-65.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
25:75 on Final Destination.
30:70 on Battlefield and Smashville.
35:65 on most other stages, assuming the Falcon knows how to manage on the CPs.
30:70 on Battlefield and Smashville.
35:65 on most other stages, assuming the Falcon knows how to manage on the CPs.
BigLord
Smash Lord
His chaingrab ***** us. That and, obviously, lasers. A Falcon's best bet on this matchup is mindgames, luck and gimping. Also lots of uair.
(I played with a strong Falco for a long time, offline, only beat him ONCE with Captain Falcon. Once in a bajilion times, sheesh)
(I played with a strong Falco for a long time, offline, only beat him ONCE with Captain Falcon. Once in a bajilion times, sheesh)
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Falco's platform game is more annoying than his chaingrabs imo. The main reason he's annoying on FD is because he can SH side+B camp and spam lasers. Falcon has difficulty keeping in his comfort zone there.
I do remember some Falco I was playing on FD though, he was playing keepaway, basically... and I was on one side of the stage, jumped near the middle like I was going to approach him in the air and did an aerial Reverse Falcon Punch back to where I started, his side+B got ****ed.
I do remember some Falco I was playing on FD though, he was playing keepaway, basically... and I was on one side of the stage, jumped near the middle like I was going to approach him in the air and did an aerial Reverse Falcon Punch back to where I started, his side+B got ****ed.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Most Falcons just spam up tilt against the short characters. Try to keep them in the air as much as possible, makes racking damage up on them much easier than while they're grounded.
PZ
Smash Lord
Dthrow<run-off ledge uair=**** on heavies at low percents?
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Against small characters : CP.
Seriously not being able to grab/jab someone just because he's crouching sucks (sometimes you'll even whiff grabs on a standing Kirby, derp).
With that said if you still want to play the matchups spam a lot of tilts and FFBairs.
If you get chaingrabbed at low percent and don't SDI the spike to the ground/ledge it's one stock less for you.
And if you don't get chaingrabbed you're just gonna get camped to death, and even if you manage to get inside Falco's range you'll get beaten to death by his superior close quarter game.
The only thing Falcon has on Falco is better mobility (except for phantasm lol) and better survavibility.
Seriously not being able to grab/jab someone just because he's crouching sucks (sometimes you'll even whiff grabs on a standing Kirby, derp).
With that said if you still want to play the matchups spam a lot of tilts and FFBairs.
Falco is one of Falcon's worst matchups, if not the worst.
If you get chaingrabbed at low percent and don't SDI the spike to the ground/ledge it's one stock less for you.
And if you don't get chaingrabbed you're just gonna get camped to death, and even if you manage to get inside Falco's range you'll get beaten to death by his superior close quarter game.
The only thing Falcon has on Falco is better mobility (except for phantasm lol) and better survavibility.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
I don't know why everyone thinks Falco is so hard.
Sometimes I'll just walk into lasers until like 20% and camp him with tipman uairs and spaced bairs.
Sometimes I'll just walk into lasers until like 20% and camp him with tipman uairs and spaced bairs.
BigLord
Smash Lord
Falcon can't kill? What do you mean? The only way he WOULDN'T be able to kill is if you're stalling all of his killing moves, lol
Makaveli tha Don
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30-70 to 35-65 Falco.
Expece lasers, grab attempts, and wierd *** methods to combine the two.
play fast enough to break past his blaster zone and strike before he does grab ****
Expece lasers, grab attempts, and wierd *** methods to combine the two.
play fast enough to break past his blaster zone and strike before he does grab ****
Zatchiel
a little slice of heaven 🍰
Almost every time I play a Falco as Falcon, I take off straight for the ledge (I think it comes from my Samus in that MU.) When I'm onstage, try to keep from FFing anything unless it's well spaced, like a Bair. I think Dsmash is our only "safe" smash in the MU. Ftilt is good on spacing, as well as Utilt, mainly when Falco is on the ledge, since we can take advantage of his poor aerial mobility. I normally expect a lot of spaced Bairs, Grabs, Lasers, and Phantasm. Nair seems to be situational since it can put him in a position to take an OoS option.
BigLord
Smash Lord
Don't forget baiting. Dash and shield. Punish. Falcon loves baiting others.
Why are we even discussing this lol
Why are we even discussing this lol
teluoborg
Smash Otter
I dunno lol.
But killing power isn't more an issue for Falco than it is for us.
Utilt, Dtilt, Uair, Bair, Usmash, Dsmash and Fsmash seem like a lot of options to me.
Plus his ability to rack up damage is dumb.
But killing power isn't more an issue for Falco than it is for us.
Utilt, Dtilt, Uair, Bair, Usmash, Dsmash and Fsmash seem like a lot of options to me.
Plus his ability to rack up damage is dumb.
Makaveli tha Don
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I would say that right as the match starts, he's got an advantage over us because of the practicality of his blaster.
It can be efficient far away, and very useful up close.
Bair is a *****. I hate sex kicks.
It can be efficient far away, and very useful up close.
Bair is a *****. I hate sex kicks.
BigLord
Smash Lord
Not to mention that you WILL be camping in platforms if you want to win, so no way you'll be "safe" from being lasered like a mofo. Heh.
HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS:
How long does Falcon have to run in order to correctly pivot grab (sliiiiiding)? I'd say a quarter of FD, but maybe it would be better illustrated as "See dash animation, pivot grab the instant it is over".
HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS:
How long does Falcon have to run in order to correctly pivot grab (sliiiiiding)? I'd say a quarter of FD, but maybe it would be better illustrated as "See dash animation, pivot grab the instant it is over".
teluoborg
Smash Otter
First yeah, Falcon must be in his dash animation, so you have to wait until the initial dash ends (and it's pretty long dammit).
Second, if you want to slide with your pivot grab you have to start the pivot (aka press back) THEN input grab.
If you do it simultaneously you won't slide.
Second, if you want to slide with your pivot grab you have to start the pivot (aka press back) THEN input grab.
If you do it simultaneously you won't slide.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Do you guys see any use with Falcon's true pivot?
I can't do it consistently but dsmash and dash attack seem viable out of it.
I can't do it consistently but dsmash and dash attack seem viable out of it.
Makaveli tha Don
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I like dash attack out of it.
It ****s with people.
It ****s with people.
Psychoace
Smash Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298292
In conjunction with this thread I've been messing around with platform cancel to true pivot dash attack if the opponent is close or something, but that's about all I've got.
Upsmash is surprising to a lot of people. Dash away they drop shield upsmash back in.
In conjunction with this thread I've been messing around with platform cancel to true pivot dash attack if the opponent is close or something, but that's about all I've got.
Upsmash is surprising to a lot of people. Dash away they drop shield upsmash back in.
BigLord
Smash Lord
Whoa. Count me in among the people who DIDN'T know about that. Looks awesome.
I probably don't have the skill to do it, though. Bah
will try practicing it anyway.
I probably don't have the skill to do it, though. Bah
will try practicing it anyway.Yeah, I can imagine doing that to my smashing crew and seeing their faces widen, haha.
BigLord
Smash Lord
As a true combo? I really doubt it. But you don't really need to use Y for that. You can slide your thumb from A to B.
Lionman
Smash Champion
floaty characters 2 jabs
non floaty 1 jab
thats my method to know what to do when i jab cancel
non floaty 1 jab
thats my method to know what to do when i jab cancel
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Falcon's 2nd jab only does 2%, 1% stale.
Against fatties you can get away with second jab easily. Against characters like Marth and Peach I only use jab 1 because they can hit us out of it pretty easily.
Against fatties you can get away with second jab easily. Against characters like Marth and Peach I only use jab 1 because they can hit us out of it pretty easily.
Yung Mei
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IMO, gentleman isnt really that good - when i use it, it doesnt really send them that far back, so they can hit me back really easy. When i gentleman, i usually get the **** out of there to avoid getting hit, or jab again if i want to run the risk
BigLord
Smash Lord
Gentleman is good for mindgames, if you like being unpredictable.
If you pause after the 2nd jab, and with the correct timing, you can immediately connect with another jab (after "gentlemaning"). Feels good man.
Also, agreed with lordhelmet, not so much with Lionman. OH, and don't forget jab -> jab -> shield -> grab
If you pause after the 2nd jab, and with the correct timing, you can immediately connect with another jab (after "gentlemaning"). Feels good man.
Also, agreed with lordhelmet, not so much with Lionman. OH, and don't forget jab -> jab -> shield -> grab
PZ
Smash Lord
Gentlemen is only truly safe after a 100% on lights...heavies dont even think about it.
Stepping up my falcon game a bit, and I'm just now getting really into buffering falcon's moves. I struggle quite a bit with buffering an upair after dthrow. Right now, I thumb the stick over and let it return to neutral and jump (buffered dash jump), then use c-stick to upair once I start moving. Are there better/more consistent ways to get the aerial follow ups out as fast as possible? (I play with tap jump off)